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(Daily Mail)   Girl, 11, shoots a cougar that was stalking her 14-year old brother, now the brother is pissed because he was ready to lose his virginity   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 28
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2014-02-27 07:42:37 AM  
4 votes:

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


TFA said the animal was a 4 y/o that weighed about 50lb--half what a cougar that age should weigh. If predators are starving, you damn well better believe they'll overcome their fear of humans and come sniffing around your house for a meal.

My guess is the drought out west has resulted in smaller-than-normal deer populations and the predators aren't able to find their normal prey.
2014-02-27 07:42:26 AM  
3 votes:

abhorrent1: I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.


I agree, but if it becomes a pattern, then it becomes a problem.

Especially if you have kids.

If you go ahead and look at the list of fatal mountain lion attacks on Wikipedia, something should immediately stand out:  They don't attack 6'4", 250 lb men.  They kill women, children, and smaller sized men.

Not that it's common that they attack, *BUT*, if I had a cougar prowling around my backyard on a consistent basis, I'd do what I did with the coyote problem we had a few years ago in my neighborhood:  Try to scare them off by yelling, if they keep coming back, ding 'em in the ass with the air rifle to try to dissuade them even more, and if they still keep coming back, then I resort to lethal means.

Seems only fair to give them a chance to regain their fear of humans.  But if you've got one animal that doesn't "get the message", then that animal is a problem, and likely to hurt someone eventually.
2014-02-27 07:00:44 AM  
3 votes:
Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things
2014-02-27 10:13:33 AM  
2 votes:
This isn't anything more than grandpa having the kids repeat the line that they were in danger. Guy is a rancher, he has already lost a calf (read $$$) , he makes it open season on predators in the area but the law says he can't do it himself. 

FTA:  "According to William White, there is still one more cougar somewhere on the property that has been threatening his dogs and cattle.
'She is eager to shoot it,' he said of Shelby.  "


These aren't self defense kills, that is just the story to have the kids do the dirty work with a clean conscience/brag about their shooting ability.

FTA: "The rancher explained that until recently, local residents were able to keep the cougar population in check by hunting the predators with dogs, but two years ago, the local Legislature outlawed the practice."

Makes you wonder why exactly the legislature outlawed the practice?
2014-02-27 07:31:16 AM  
2 votes:

violentsalvation: fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.

According to the article (grain of salt, and all that) the girl was the only one with a tag to shoot it. I'd probably shoot it myself and fark the consequences, but these kids look like they know what they're doing.


See, here's the thing, though:  Depending on whether the fish and wildlife guys want to be hard-asses or not, you could be facing some serious fines.  Sure, it might be a valid "protection" shoot, but this way it doesn't matter:  Girl has a tag for it, doesn't matter if the cat really was stalking her brother or not, it's legal for her to shoot it.

If the father shot it, though, he'd have to be able to prove the cat was a serious immediate danger to himself or another person.  Maybe the fish cops will believe him, maybe they won't.  Maybe they'll think he cooked up the story just to justify shooting the cougar.
2014-02-27 04:34:22 AM  
2 votes:
Both those kids look creepy as hell.The little girl is already in the early stages of crazy eyes, and the boy looks like the preacher kid from the Children of the Corn.
2014-02-27 02:02:44 AM  
2 votes:
When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.
2014-02-27 02:11:43 PM  
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: The problem with being an internet pyromaniac is that the internet never forgets, Sonja.


So I am dittybopper now?

The problem with being an internet dumbass like you is that the internet never forgets, sparky.
2014-02-27 12:13:45 PM  
1 votes:
Am I the only one who finds it sick when people pose with the dead animal?  Okay, you shot the cougar.....good for you.  Do we need to have a photograph of you holding up its lifeless head?  Same with the deer.  I just don't understand that at all.  If you're a hunter, that's nice.....but shoot your kill, then get on with the day.  Don't stand there holding the antlers while Billy Joe Jim Bob takes a picture of you.
2014-02-27 11:53:21 AM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Well I guess you don't know too much about dogs because i have a copy of the 1974 version of Where the Red Fern Grows and it is one of my all-time favorite movies.


Then you know how well that turns out for them if you sic a 20 pound domestic dog (that is likely a cow dog and not a hound) on a mountain lion that is several times that weight.  If the mountain lion decides to run and the dog does not give extended chase then no harm, no foul.  If the lion decides to fight or if you dog does not give up the chase, you will be lucky to get your dog back alive.

 Did you even see "The Yearling" where two mountain cur dogs (which I have) run off a full-grown bear?

Nope, but I have ran both lions and bears with dogs and I know what each are capable of.  Rule number one - you never hunt with just one dog when going after these two species.  That is pretty much a death order if not a very expensive vet bill.  A cougar or bear will always be able to overwhelm a single dog.  If you can divide their attention, the advantage shifts completely.
2014-02-27 11:08:31 AM  
1 votes:

mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.


Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.
2014-02-27 10:44:17 AM  
1 votes:

thehobbes: Makes you wonder why exactly the legislature outlawed the practice?


Many folks don't like the practice of using hounds to chase cougar and more and more states are outlawing it.  It has less to do with cougar populations and more to do with the practice itself and it is one of HSUS's biggest pet peeves.  IIRC, there are about 15 states left that still allow hound hunting.

When cougar hunting, it is typically much easier to have a successful hunt when you can use dogs to tree a cougar.  Outside of that it is very difficult to find them at all unless you start baiting them (finding a kill, baiting them directly or owning a ranch)  Sounds like they are having quite a cougar population spike, which very well could be tied to the recent decision of Washington to outlaw hound hunting.
2014-02-27 10:35:31 AM  
1 votes:

thehobbes: This isn't anything more than grandpa having the kids repeat the line that they were in danger. Guy is a rancher, he has already lost a calf (read $$$) , he makes it open season on predators in the area but the law says he can't do it himself.


Ok, that make no sense.  A rancher has every right to kill any predator that is attacking his livestock, except for ones that are listed as Endangered Species.  Even at that they are typically given kill permits where they can.

Also, don't forget that is is cougar season in Washington right now.
2014-02-27 10:07:47 AM  
1 votes:

mokinokaro: the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place


The problem is, how do you do that without seriously affecting the rights of the sane people, who are in the vast majority?
2014-02-27 09:58:12 AM  
1 votes:

Doom MD: Bartman66: jaybeezey: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!

THIS.
Hate the crying crowd of "you just want to kill everything" kids who probably have never been in the wilderness or have been two times for a campout and therefor they know everything.

I kind of wonder how many of these people want to ban guns "for the children", then get upset an apex predator had to be killed with a gun in order to defend the life of a child. The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable.


Similar to how people can be anti-abortion and pro death penalty I suppose.

You also haven't seen too many pushing for gun control in this thread for a reason: only the most insane ones would question this animal's death.

Unfortunately people like this family get drowned out by the actually insane gun nuts when it comes to any firearms issues.

/the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place
2014-02-27 09:46:29 AM  
1 votes:

Bartman66: jaybeezey: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!

THIS.
Hate the crying crowd of "you just want to kill everything" kids who probably have never been in the wilderness or have been two times for a campout and therefor they know everything.


I kind of wonder how many of these people want to ban guns "for the children", then get upset an apex predator had to be killed with a gun in order to defend the life of a child. The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable.
2014-02-27 09:42:21 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Doom MD: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.

I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.

You could probably live there your whole life and never see a mountain lion but for some reason, every one in the area wants to eat them? Bullshiat. They should be charged with poaching.


Ok, you let apex predators skulk around your prepubescent children unharassed and I will light them up with my ar15.

Given how underweight this animal was, it was either ill or there are too many predators than the local ecosystem can support.
2014-02-27 09:16:48 AM  
1 votes:

Mean Daddy: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.  

Wait, what?!? Don't they know that guns are harmful? They should have called the gubmint.  Fadder Oobama will take care of us all.  The gubmint is my shepherd, I shall not want....


Don't you get it man? The gubbament already won. This poor defenseless family had to make do with a plain ol' RIFLE, they couldn't wheel out the minigun and call in a daisy-cutter airstrike like you're supposed to do when staring down a wild animal. The Man made it so they barely even had a chance for her brother to get chalked into the Acceptable Losses category when dealing with a threat to national security like a cat.
2014-02-27 08:04:28 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Kids these days get big so fast. She doesn't look a day under 14.


I was sort of thinking the same thing... kind of glad that they noted ... several times... her age....
2014-02-27 07:56:22 AM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Can't wait for the bedwetter brigade to wake up and go "ooooh nooooohs... bad guns"...

oh and did anyone notice the game warden only got the caption "[caption" ? LOL


What's it like, to wander around so scared all the time that you need guns at all times? I'd be ashamed to admit to such cowardice. Or to be so stupid.
2014-02-27 07:27:53 AM  
1 votes:

Doom MD: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.


I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.

You could probably live there your whole life and never see a mountain lion but for some reason, every one in the area wants to eat them? Bullshiat. They should be charged with poaching.
2014-02-27 07:22:55 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!
2014-02-27 07:04:06 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.
2014-02-27 06:31:18 AM  
1 votes:
This is exactly what responsible gun ownership is all about. Teaching children(and adults) that weapons are not toys, when to use them and when to stand down.

I have no use for conservatives who want to shoot anything that moves or liberals that want to ban any and all weapons because they're afraid to admit that weapons are necessary.
2014-02-27 05:32:23 AM  
1 votes:
2014-02-27 02:16:15 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.


According to the article (grain of salt, and all that) the girl was the only one with a tag to shoot it. I'd probably shoot it myself and fark the consequences, but these kids look like they know what they're doing.
2014-02-27 12:41:35 AM  
1 votes:
Another responsible gun owner.
2014-02-27 12:02:08 AM  
1 votes:
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