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2014-02-27 12:02:08 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-27 12:03:21 AM  
She shoulda just talked to it.
 
2014-02-27 12:26:02 AM  
An 11-year-old girl shot in Washington state has shot a cougar to death after she saw the animal following her older brother.

Does that sound weird to anyone else?
 
2014-02-27 12:41:35 AM  
Another responsible gun owner.
 
2014-02-27 02:02:44 AM  
When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.
 
2014-02-27 02:16:15 AM  

fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.


According to the article (grain of salt, and all that) the girl was the only one with a tag to shoot it. I'd probably shoot it myself and fark the consequences, but these kids look like they know what they're doing.
 
2014-02-27 02:51:54 AM  
Kids these days get big so fast. She doesn't look a day under 14.
 
2014-02-27 04:34:22 AM  
Both those kids look creepy as hell.The little girl is already in the early stages of crazy eyes, and the boy looks like the preacher kid from the Children of the Corn.
 
2014-02-27 04:37:45 AM  
Is it just me or does that girl has an uncanny resemblance to Emma Watson at the same age?
 
2014-02-27 04:45:19 AM  
I'm thinking those kids are going to be ok.
 
2014-02-27 04:50:55 AM  
Well, free cat I guess.
 
2014-02-27 04:53:14 AM  
NOOOOOO!!!!! They killed Steve French!!!
 
2014-02-27 04:53:56 AM  
I don't see anything wrong with what they did as long as pumas aren't endangered.

And there's nothing wrong with teaching a kid to shoot.
 
2014-02-27 05:21:30 AM  
Done in one.
 
2014-02-27 05:26:23 AM  
Also

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2014-02-27 05:32:23 AM  
 
x23
2014-02-27 05:50:33 AM  
FTA : .234 caliber gun

a what? .243 maybe? .223? who knows!
 
2014-02-27 06:03:55 AM  

x23: FTA : .234 caliber gun

a what? .243 maybe? .223? who knows!


Nope. .243 is a caliber, and it's a good round for animals such as cougars...and it has one of the flattest trajectorys, minimal recoil.
 
2014-02-27 06:18:24 AM  
The comments to the article are migraine inducing
 
2014-02-27 06:31:18 AM  
This is exactly what responsible gun ownership is all about. Teaching children(and adults) that weapons are not toys, when to use them and when to stand down.

I have no use for conservatives who want to shoot anything that moves or liberals that want to ban any and all weapons because they're afraid to admit that weapons are necessary.
 
2014-02-27 06:39:23 AM  
"We lived down by the railroad tracks and I used to let Bobby put it in me."
 
2014-02-27 06:48:22 AM  

fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.


If they kill me, let Bobby take the shot. At least I know he'll take me down clean.
 
2014-02-27 07:00:44 AM  
Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things
 
2014-02-27 07:04:06 AM  

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.
 
2014-02-27 07:18:39 AM  
Doom MD:  Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.


Guys like that don't have grills.  They're too scared of burning their tofu.
 
2014-02-27 07:22:55 AM  

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!
 
2014-02-27 07:27:53 AM  

Doom MD: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.


I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.

You could probably live there your whole life and never see a mountain lion but for some reason, every one in the area wants to eat them? Bullshiat. They should be charged with poaching.
 
2014-02-27 07:31:16 AM  

violentsalvation: fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF.

According to the article (grain of salt, and all that) the girl was the only one with a tag to shoot it. I'd probably shoot it myself and fark the consequences, but these kids look like they know what they're doing.


See, here's the thing, though:  Depending on whether the fish and wildlife guys want to be hard-asses or not, you could be facing some serious fines.  Sure, it might be a valid "protection" shoot, but this way it doesn't matter:  Girl has a tag for it, doesn't matter if the cat really was stalking her brother or not, it's legal for her to shoot it.

If the father shot it, though, he'd have to be able to prove the cat was a serious immediate danger to himself or another person.  Maybe the fish cops will believe him, maybe they won't.  Maybe they'll think he cooked up the story just to justify shooting the cougar.
 
2014-02-27 07:40:29 AM  
If the cougar was stalking a child, I'd be concerned. That cat has no fear, for some reason.
 
2014-02-27 07:42:26 AM  

abhorrent1: I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.


I agree, but if it becomes a pattern, then it becomes a problem.

Especially if you have kids.

If you go ahead and look at the list of fatal mountain lion attacks on Wikipedia, something should immediately stand out:  They don't attack 6'4", 250 lb men.  They kill women, children, and smaller sized men.

Not that it's common that they attack, *BUT*, if I had a cougar prowling around my backyard on a consistent basis, I'd do what I did with the coyote problem we had a few years ago in my neighborhood:  Try to scare them off by yelling, if they keep coming back, ding 'em in the ass with the air rifle to try to dissuade them even more, and if they still keep coming back, then I resort to lethal means.

Seems only fair to give them a chance to regain their fear of humans.  But if you've got one animal that doesn't "get the message", then that animal is a problem, and likely to hurt someone eventually.
 
2014-02-27 07:42:37 AM  

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


TFA said the animal was a 4 y/o that weighed about 50lb--half what a cougar that age should weigh. If predators are starving, you damn well better believe they'll overcome their fear of humans and come sniffing around your house for a meal.

My guess is the drought out west has resulted in smaller-than-normal deer populations and the predators aren't able to find their normal prey.
 
2014-02-27 07:48:08 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: TFA said the animal was a 4 y/o that weighed about 50lb--half what a cougar that age should weigh. If predators are starving, you damn well better believe they'll overcome their fear of humans and come sniffing around your house for a meal.


Yeah, that's a danger sign right there.

The coyotes we had coming around the house a few years back were in late February/early March, when prey for them is scarce.  That's why I think they came out of the woods and were poking around the neighborhood, they were looking for food.  I wasn't worried so much for the adults, but at the time the littlebopper was 6 or 7 years old (and he's small for his age), and we had a number of other kids that size in the neighborhood, some even younger.  You don't want to worry about letting them play in the backyard when there are starving predators about.
 
2014-02-27 07:56:22 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Can't wait for the bedwetter brigade to wake up and go "ooooh nooooohs... bad guns"...

oh and did anyone notice the game warden only got the caption "[caption" ? LOL


What's it like, to wander around so scared all the time that you need guns at all times? I'd be ashamed to admit to such cowardice. Or to be so stupid.
 
2014-02-27 08:04:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Kids these days get big so fast. She doesn't look a day under 14.


I was sort of thinking the same thing... kind of glad that they noted ... several times... her age....
 
2014-02-27 08:04:49 AM  

jaybeezey: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!


THIS.
Hate the crying crowd of "you just want to kill everything" kids who probably have never been in the wilderness or have been two times for a campout and therefor they know everything.
 
2014-02-27 08:13:11 AM  

KeatingFive: HindiDiscoMonster: Can't wait for the bedwetter brigade to wake up and go "ooooh nooooohs... bad guns"...

oh and did anyone notice the game warden only got the caption "[caption" ? LOL

What's it like, to wander around so scared all the time that you need guns at all times? I'd be ashamed to admit to such cowardice. Or to be so stupid.


What's it like, to assume that because someone owns guns that they wander around with them all the time because they are scared?

/Currently about 45 miles as the crow flies from my guns.
 
2014-02-27 08:16:02 AM  
Mountain lions attacking?
Good book if you like that kind of thing:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-02-27 08:29:59 AM  

KeatingFive: What's it like, to wander around so scared all the time that you need guns at all times? I'd be ashamed to admit to such cowardice. Or to be so stupid.


2/10  Not bad, but there wont be enough pearl clutchers to help you out in this thread.
 
2014-02-27 08:49:41 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Um, thanks for that picture, I guess.
 
2014-02-27 08:54:20 AM  
jaybeezey:
Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!


Now I have the imaginary hook to a rap song in my head.

We been creepin' gin in the shadows.
creeping gin in the shadows
All up in the club with them girls
Creepin gin in the shadows
 
2014-02-27 08:58:17 AM  
When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.  

Wait, what?!? Don't they know that guns are harmful? They should have called the gubmint.  Fadder Oobama will take care of us all.  The gubmint is my shepherd, I shall not want....
 
2014-02-27 09:16:48 AM  

Mean Daddy: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.  

Wait, what?!? Don't they know that guns are harmful? They should have called the gubmint.  Fadder Oobama will take care of us all.  The gubmint is my shepherd, I shall not want....


Don't you get it man? The gubbament already won. This poor defenseless family had to make do with a plain ol' RIFLE, they couldn't wheel out the minigun and call in a daisy-cutter airstrike like you're supposed to do when staring down a wild animal. The Man made it so they barely even had a chance for her brother to get chalked into the Acceptable Losses category when dealing with a threat to national security like a cat.
 
2014-02-27 09:28:55 AM  
It's a different life over there, they have "Bring your dead cougar to school" day.
 
2014-02-27 09:29:37 AM  

abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things


Go back to drinking your broccoli smoothie while wearing beige pajamas. Leave running the world to the grownups.
 
2014-02-27 09:39:24 AM  
FTFA: Not your average family: Shelby (far right), Cody (center) and Tanner (second left) all have been taught by their grandfather how to hunt and handle weapons safely

No, you just live in a country where firearm ownership is fairly rare.  Not so unusual, in the U.S., for parents who own firearms to teach safety to their children.
 
2014-02-27 09:41:21 AM  

Silly_Sot: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Go back to drinking your broccoli smoothie while wearing beige pajamas. Leave running the world to the grownups.


The " grown ups" aren't the ones who cry about every little possible gun safety measure.

The way Americans fellate over their guns simply astounds me.

The people in the article, on the other hand, have perfectly valid reasons to own weapons.

An eight-nine year old hunting still seems like child endangerment but to each their own.
 
2014-02-27 09:42:21 AM  

abhorrent1: Doom MD: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Gun grabbing ninnies hate to admit it, but firearms are a vital tool for animal conservation. Think about this the next time you see a bear licking your grill.

I get that. But if you live in the wilderness where there are bears and mountain lions, chances are some are going to wander into your yard. Doesn't mean you have to kill them every time they do. Getting a permit and hunting are one thing, since it's regulated. Shooting any animal that wanders onto your property is ass-hattery.

You could probably live there your whole life and never see a mountain lion but for some reason, every one in the area wants to eat them? Bullshiat. They should be charged with poaching.


Ok, you let apex predators skulk around your prepubescent children unharassed and I will light them up with my ar15.

Given how underweight this animal was, it was either ill or there are too many predators than the local ecosystem can support.
 
2014-02-27 09:46:29 AM  

Bartman66: jaybeezey: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!

THIS.
Hate the crying crowd of "you just want to kill everything" kids who probably have never been in the wilderness or have been two times for a campout and therefor they know everything.


I kind of wonder how many of these people want to ban guns "for the children", then get upset an apex predator had to be killed with a gun in order to defend the life of a child. The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable.
 
2014-02-27 09:51:24 AM  

x23: FTA : .234 caliber gun

a what? .243 maybe? .223? who knows!


AR-15 style assault rifle, duh.
 
2014-02-27 09:54:07 AM  

mokinokaro: An eight-nine year old hunting still seems like child endangerment but to each their own.


My dad used (and played with) farking dynamite when he was a kid. Firearms are incredibly safe compared to other common rural hazards. Teaching 8 year olds gun safety is fine, they're old enough to realize that you're damn serious about it (and you should be), and if they screw around then they're never going to be allowed to touch guns again.
 
2014-02-27 09:54:37 AM  
Why didn't they just have their dog run it off?  It is obviously a juvenile and could have easily been discouraged.  Instead they had to have their bad-ass 11 YO daughter shoot it.  Cause she's the MAN.

Not anti-gun in fitting situations, this just seems to be overkill to me, particularly since they hunt other animals to begin with.
 
2014-02-27 09:56:14 AM  

Syrrh: This poor defenseless family had to make do with a plain ol' RIFLE, they couldn't wheel out the minigun and call in a daisy-cutter airstrike like you're supposed to do when staring down a wild animal.


You know what you get when you cross a perfectly legal-to-own Gatling Gun with a cordless drill?

Instant minigun.

/And probably a visit from the ATF if they find out about it.
 
2014-02-27 09:56:30 AM  

fusillade762: When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.


I'd have thought the one thing to do would be to SHOOT THE GODDAMN THING YOURSELF


Yeah P*ssy!
 
2014-02-27 09:57:50 AM  
I bet their freezer is getting full.
i.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-02-27 09:58:12 AM  

Doom MD: Bartman66: jaybeezey: abhorrent1: Shelby's grandfather, William White, revealed that it was a fourth cougar killed on his property in the past several weeks. We're real avid hunters

I moved out into the wilderness so I can kill any wild animal that walks onto my property How dare these wild animals exist in their own habitat!

/seriously
//these ass-hats sound like they just like to kill things

Right, when you have children and live stock around, you also want a preponderance of predator animals creepin gin the shadows.

It's good for keeping the kids alert. Who cares how many get killed!?!!

THIS.
Hate the crying crowd of "you just want to kill everything" kids who probably have never been in the wilderness or have been two times for a campout and therefor they know everything.

I kind of wonder how many of these people want to ban guns "for the children", then get upset an apex predator had to be killed with a gun in order to defend the life of a child. The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable.


Similar to how people can be anti-abortion and pro death penalty I suppose.

You also haven't seen too many pushing for gun control in this thread for a reason: only the most insane ones would question this animal's death.

Unfortunately people like this family get drowned out by the actually insane gun nuts when it comes to any firearms issues.

/the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place
 
2014-02-27 10:07:47 AM  

mokinokaro: the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place


The problem is, how do you do that without seriously affecting the rights of the sane people, who are in the vast majority?
 
2014-02-27 10:13:33 AM  
This isn't anything more than grandpa having the kids repeat the line that they were in danger. Guy is a rancher, he has already lost a calf (read $$$) , he makes it open season on predators in the area but the law says he can't do it himself. 

FTA:  "According to William White, there is still one more cougar somewhere on the property that has been threatening his dogs and cattle.
'She is eager to shoot it,' he said of Shelby.  "


These aren't self defense kills, that is just the story to have the kids do the dirty work with a clean conscience/brag about their shooting ability.

FTA: "The rancher explained that until recently, local residents were able to keep the cougar population in check by hunting the predators with dogs, but two years ago, the local Legislature outlawed the practice."

Makes you wonder why exactly the legislature outlawed the practice?
 
2014-02-27 10:20:52 AM  
"Shelby was the only one in the family with a tag - a permit to legally kill a cougar"

They don't even have to justify if it's self defense or not. She was already legally cleared to shoot it. No 'stand your ground', no 'coming right for us!', no 'protect the livestock'.
TFA said the family had already killed 4 in the past few weeks, including one shot by her brother. I'm guessing each family member got a permit, and they're cashing them in by shooting cats on their property instead of going out and hunting down others that they have no reason to care about.
 
2014-02-27 10:32:25 AM  

dittybopper: mokinokaro: the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place

The problem is, how do you do that without seriously affecting the rights of the sane people, who are in the vast majority?


1. Put actual funding into mental health programs. It'll also cut down on suicides which are the primary deaths involving guns
2. Proper enforcement of gun restrictions already in place in many states when it comes to guns and the mentally ill

Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.

/against gun registration programs. It's too late to implement them with how many guns are already out there.
 
2014-02-27 10:33:14 AM  

dittybopper: mokinokaro: the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place

The problem is, how do you do that without seriously affecting the rights of the sane people, who are in the vast majority?


How does regular mental health screening that should be an integral part of healthcare in the first damned place affect anysanebody's rights?
 
2014-02-27 10:35:31 AM  

thehobbes: This isn't anything more than grandpa having the kids repeat the line that they were in danger. Guy is a rancher, he has already lost a calf (read $$$) , he makes it open season on predators in the area but the law says he can't do it himself.


Ok, that make no sense.  A rancher has every right to kill any predator that is attacking his livestock, except for ones that are listed as Endangered Species.  Even at that they are typically given kill permits where they can.

Also, don't forget that is is cougar season in Washington right now.
 
2014-02-27 10:40:42 AM  
thehobbes:
These aren't self defense kills, that is just the story to have the kids do the dirty work with a clean conscience/brag about their shooting ability.


Maybe. But the truth is that a cougar is more likely to attack a kid than an adult. I can understand the concern, it's not irrational. So if it is an excuse it is a good one.
 
2014-02-27 10:44:17 AM  

thehobbes: Makes you wonder why exactly the legislature outlawed the practice?


Many folks don't like the practice of using hounds to chase cougar and more and more states are outlawing it.  It has less to do with cougar populations and more to do with the practice itself and it is one of HSUS's biggest pet peeves.  IIRC, there are about 15 states left that still allow hound hunting.

When cougar hunting, it is typically much easier to have a successful hunt when you can use dogs to tree a cougar.  Outside of that it is very difficult to find them at all unless you start baiting them (finding a kill, baiting them directly or owning a ranch)  Sounds like they are having quite a cougar population spike, which very well could be tied to the recent decision of Washington to outlaw hound hunting.
 
2014-02-27 10:51:28 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Why didn't they just have their dog run it off?  It is obviously a juvenile and could have easily been discouraged.  Instead they had to have their bad-ass 11 YO daughter shoot it.  Cause she's the MAN.

Not anti-gun in fitting situations, this just seems to be overkill to me, particularly since they hunt other animals to begin with.


Want to know how I know that you have never read Where the Red Fern Grows?

Several reasons 1) they own a ranch and one less cougar is one less chance for you calves to end up as cat chow; 2) cougars will attack humans every once in a while; 3) she had a tag for one; 4) they make nice jerky and rugs; 5) they didn't want their dog to go to the vet
 
2014-02-27 11:08:31 AM  

mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.


Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.
 
2014-02-27 11:13:53 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: How does regular mental health screening that should be an integral part of healthcare in the first damned place affect anysanebody's rights?


What if you don't want a mental health screening by the government?  Should you be required to get one?

Also, how would the determination of a person's mental health be affected by their refusal to submit to such a screening?  Would it be a Catch-22, where anyone who refuses obviously has some mental condition they want to hide?

Then, of course, we have the long, sad, and sordid history of governments both here and abroad abusing the rights of individuals under the guise of "mental health".
 
2014-02-27 11:19:31 AM  

dittybopper: mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.

Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.


Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!

You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?

/pure insanity
 
2014-02-27 11:22:14 AM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: How does regular mental health screening that should be an integral part of healthcare in the first damned place affect anysanebody's rights?

What if you don't want a mental health screening by the government?  Should you be required to get one?

Also, how would the determination of a person's mental health be affected by their refusal to submit to such a screening?  Would it be a Catch-22, where anyone who refuses obviously has some mental condition they want to hide?

Then, of course, we have the long, sad, and sordid history of governments both here and abroad abusing the rights of individuals under the guise of "mental health".


"Gubmint after mah guns"

Take the tinfoil hat off. It's cooking your faculties
 
2014-02-27 11:28:05 AM  

mokinokaro: Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!


You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?


So.... Strawman?
 
2014-02-27 11:30:10 AM  

HeadLever: mokinokaro: Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!

You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?


So.... Strawman?


Not really. He IS arguing for no restrictions because it's a right in the Constitution.

Never mind the fact that the wording of the 2nd does allow the government to restrict gun ownership.
 
2014-02-27 11:33:07 AM  

mokinokaro: "Gubmint after mah guns"


There are several in 'gubmint' that would defiantly like to take our guns.  I take it you missed the Feinstein quote"  "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."

Of course right now, they don't have the votes, but that is because many resist these folks at every chance.
 
2014-02-27 11:35:16 AM  

mokinokaro: He IS arguing for no restrictions because it's a right in the Constitution.


BS - just because it is in the Constitution does not mean no restrictions.  There are always restrictions on rights.  Seriously, where did he ever say there should be no restrictions?

You can't point to anywhere that he said that, hence you point is a strawman.
 
2014-02-27 11:38:29 AM  

mokinokaro: Never mind the fact that the wording of the 2nd does allow the government to restrict gun ownership.


No one here said that the wording allowed unfettered and universal ownership of arms.  Do you actually think that anyone here advocates that a violent felon should be allowed to own a firearm?
 
2014-02-27 11:39:40 AM  

HeadLever: mokinokaro: "Gubmint after mah guns"

There are several in 'gubmint' that would defiantly like to take our guns.  I take it you missed the Feinstein quote"  "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."

Of course right now, they don't have the votes, but that is because many resist these folks at every chance.


I'd be more interested in how many others share that opinion. You can find one shiathead attached to any cause, doesn't mean they have any hope of ever getting it near legal implementation.

/pro-gun
//anti-hysteria, on either side
 
2014-02-27 11:40:58 AM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: Why didn't they just have their dog run it off?  It is obviously a juvenile and could have easily been discouraged.  Instead they had to have their bad-ass 11 YO daughter shoot it.  Cause she's the MAN.

Not anti-gun in fitting situations, this just seems to be overkill to me, particularly since they hunt other animals to begin with.

Want to know how I know that you have never read Where the Red Fern Grows?

Several reasons 1) they own a ranch and one less cougar is one less chance for you calves to end up as cat chow; 2) cougars will attack humans every once in a while; 3) she had a tag for one; 4) they make nice jerky and rugs; 5) they didn't want their dog to go to the vet


Well I guess you don't know too much about dogs because i have a copy of the 1974 version of Where the Red Fern Grows and it is one of my all-time favorite movies.  Did you even see "The Yearling" where two mountain cur dogs (which I have) run off a full-grown bear?  That was definitely in the pre-animal rights days and those dogs tore up that bear.  I don't approve of dog pack hunting of any animal, but most any predator will gladly run off, if given the chance.
 
2014-02-27 11:41:04 AM  

mokinokaro: dittybopper: mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.

Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.

Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!

You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?

/pure insanity


Nice hit on that strawman you erected.  Kudos to you!
 
2014-02-27 11:44:17 AM  

Syrrh: I'd be more interested in how many others share that opinion. You can find one shiathead attached to any cause, doesn't mean they have any hope of ever getting it near legal implementation.


They are getting pretty close in New York.  Very difficult to own a legal firearm there and I feel time is ripe for a good ol' judicial review of some of their laws.
 
2014-02-27 11:48:08 AM  

dittybopper: mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.

Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.


You think that there's a constitutional right to sell or transfer a firearm to a person who is forbidden by law from possessing it?
Because that's what background checks are for - to ensure that the buyer isn't prohibited from having a firearm.
 
2014-02-27 11:52:07 AM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: How does regular mental health screening that should be an integral part of healthcare in the first damned place affect anysanebody's rights?

What if you don't want a mental health screening by the government?  Should you be required to get one?
Also, how would the determination of a person's mental health be affected by their refusal to submit to such a screening?  Would it be a Catch-22, where anyone who refuses obviously has some mental condition they want to hide?
Then, of course, we have the long, sad, and sordid history of governments both here and abroad abusing the rights of individuals under the guise of "mental health".


Tough crap. Do I think that basic health care screening for all members of the militia should be mandatory? Absofarkinglutely.
Failure to obey lawful orders is punishable under the UCMJ as a court martial may direct.
And the Supreme Court has addressed those abuses.
 
2014-02-27 11:53:21 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Well I guess you don't know too much about dogs because i have a copy of the 1974 version of Where the Red Fern Grows and it is one of my all-time favorite movies.


Then you know how well that turns out for them if you sic a 20 pound domestic dog (that is likely a cow dog and not a hound) on a mountain lion that is several times that weight.  If the mountain lion decides to run and the dog does not give extended chase then no harm, no foul.  If the lion decides to fight or if you dog does not give up the chase, you will be lucky to get your dog back alive.

 Did you even see "The Yearling" where two mountain cur dogs (which I have) run off a full-grown bear?

Nope, but I have ran both lions and bears with dogs and I know what each are capable of.  Rule number one - you never hunt with just one dog when going after these two species.  That is pretty much a death order if not a very expensive vet bill.  A cougar or bear will always be able to overwhelm a single dog.  If you can divide their attention, the advantage shifts completely.
 
2014-02-27 11:59:15 AM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: Well I guess you don't know too much about dogs because i have a copy of the 1974 version of Where the Red Fern Grows and it is one of my all-time favorite movies.

Then you know how well that turns out for them if you sic a 20 pound domestic dog (that is likely a cow dog and not a hound) on a mountain lion that is several times that weight.  If the mountain lion decides to run and the dog does not give extended chase then no harm, no foul.  If the lion decides to fight or if you dog does not give up the chase, you will be lucky to get your dog back alive.

 Did you even see "The Yearling" where two mountain cur dogs (which I have) run off a full-grown bear?

Nope, but I have ran both lions and bears with dogs and I know what each are capable of.  Rule number one - you never hunt with just one dog when going after these two species.  That is pretty much a death order if not a very expensive vet bill.  A cougar or bear will always be able to overwhelm a single dog.  If you can divide their attention, the advantage shifts completely.


Good, at least you know what you're doing.  Did  I mention two mountain curs?
 
2014-02-27 12:00:44 PM  

mokinokaro: HeadLever: mokinokaro: Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!

You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?


So.... Strawman?

Not really. He IS arguing for no restrictions because it's a right in the Constitution.

Never mind the fact that the wording of the 2nd does allow the government to restrict gun ownership.


Wrong.

I'm arguing against *PRIOR RESTRAINT*, something that is generally frowned upon when it comes to rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

And yes, all rights have limits.  You can't falsely yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, as a famous example, but the law doesn't require you to wear a ball gag in a theater to prevent you from doing so until you can prove that you probably aren't going to cause a panic.  That's the difference.

I have no problem with laws making it illegal for, say, violent felons* or the adjudicated mentally ill to possess firearms.  Nor do I have problems with most laws limiting the age at which a person can purchase a firearm and ammunition.

I don't like the background check that's done for every gun sold by an FFL, as I think it's a relatively easy way for the government to build up a list of gun owners if they were so inclined, but a universal background check flips the presumption around from "OK, you can own a gun until you've shown through your actions that you aren't responsible enough" to "You can't have one until you prove to us that you probably aren't a felon".

Not that it's ever stopped anyone.

Plus, you can buy parts kits with no background check, then build a receiver from an aluminum 80% casting, or brass plates, or plastic, or even wood, and have an AR-15 without any background check.  And it's becoming a popular thing to make such "ghost guns" (ie., guns that have no serial number and have never been reported to the government).

Hell, we're on the verge of being able to *PRINT* practical guns now.  How are you going to background check that?

*I do have a problem with non-violent felons not being able to own them, though.  No one has yet been able to explain to me why someone like Martha Stewart is such a danger to society that she can't be trusted with a gun.
 
2014-02-27 12:05:27 PM  

dittybopper: mokinokaro: dittybopper: mokinokaro: Having to get a background check to buy a tool primarily designed for killing isn't infringing on anyone's rights.

Ever hear of the term "prior restraint"?

If you have to get prior government permission just to exercise a right, it ceases to be any kind of a meaningful, substantive right, and it becomes a government granted privilege.

Lets just give every two year old a handgun then! Every felon too!

You're seriously arguing it should be a free for all?

/pure insanity

Nice hit on that strawman you erected.  Kudos to you!


Simple question: should insane or suicidal people have guns?

If not, how do you prevent them from getting guns they may use to harm themselves or others?

And remember the crazy people who do get a hold of guns are the ones causing the " gun grabbers" in the first place.
 
2014-02-27 12:09:41 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Did  I mention two mountain curs?


Sure, but that was not the context of your original argument of "Why didn't they just have their dog run it off" As in one single dog that was not likely a mountain cur.  In this regard, can you now see why telling your border collie to go sic a mountain lion may be a very, very bad idea?
 
2014-02-27 12:13:28 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Did  I mention two mountain curs?


And you must really like mountain curs.  I am not familiar with them.  Off to the searches......
 
2014-02-27 12:13:45 PM  
Am I the only one who finds it sick when people pose with the dead animal?  Okay, you shot the cougar.....good for you.  Do we need to have a photograph of you holding up its lifeless head?  Same with the deer.  I just don't understand that at all.  If you're a hunter, that's nice.....but shoot your kill, then get on with the day.  Don't stand there holding the antlers while Billy Joe Jim Bob takes a picture of you.
 
2014-02-27 12:15:08 PM  

HeadLever: mokinokaro: "Gubmint after mah guns"

There are several in 'gubmint' that would defiantly like to take our guns.  I take it you missed the Feinstein quote"  "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."

Of course right now, they don't have the votes, but that is because many resist these folks at every chance.


You mean that quote she said a couple of decades ago, after having witnessed two of her fellow lawmakers get assassinated in front of her?
 
2014-02-27 12:15:51 PM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: Did  I mention two mountain curs?

And you must really like mountain curs.  I am not familiar with them.  Off to the searches......


Good for you.  These are not particularly beautiful dogs, but they are very tough and very faithful and healthy animals.
 
2014-02-27 12:40:32 PM  

Latinwolf: You mean that quote she said a couple of decades ago, after having witnessed two of her fellow lawmakers get assassinated in front of her?


Yep, but show me where this leopard has changed her spots. . .
 
2014-02-27 12:51:13 PM  

Cold_Sassy: These are not particularly beautiful dogs, but they are very tough and very faithful and healthy animals.


They look to be a pretty cool breed.  The closest that I am familiar with would probably be my cousin that has a bluetick as their favorite family pet.  He is loud and obnoxious, but very smart and an excellent with their kids.
 
2014-02-27 01:00:26 PM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: These are not particularly beautiful dogs, but they are very tough and very faithful and healthy animals.

They look to be a pretty cool breed.  The closest that I am familiar with would probably be my cousin that has a bluetick as their favorite family pet.  He is loud and obnoxious, but very smart and an excellent with their kids.


Thanks, mine have been nothing but a pleasure to have.  Even tho I don't have any children, my brothers do and they are very good with their kids; I have one cat for vermin control and one of the curs actually grooms the cat and the cat grooms her back.  Pretty amazing for such rough dogs.
 
2014-02-27 01:13:48 PM  

HeadLever: Latinwolf: You mean that quote she said a couple of decades ago, after having witnessed two of her fellow lawmakers get assassinated in front of her?

Yep, but show me where this leopard has changed her spots. . .


truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com
 
2014-02-27 01:25:26 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Even tho I don't have any children, my brothers do and they are very good with their kids; I have one cat for vermin control and one of the curs actually grooms the cat and the cat grooms her back.


That is different than this bluetick then.  He does not like cats at all. Or maybe he likes them too much...  Either way, they don't mix.
 
2014-02-27 01:33:43 PM  
Funny how my family managed to survive 30 years on about 10 acres in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by forest and river, with wild animals of various sizes and threat-levels coming onto our property all the time, and we never once felt the need to shoot any of them.

People who use 'the animal was on my property' as an excuse are just jerks who want to kill things. The animal has more right to be there than we do, and animals have no idea where your property line is. They're just passing through on their way to food or water, most likely.

Just admit you like to kill things. Don't say you were defending your property. These are animals; Not home invaders.
 
2014-02-27 01:33:50 PM  
She doesn't know how to hold a gun. My bet is she cracked it on the head with that chin.
 
2014-02-27 01:36:58 PM  

dittybopper: No one has yet been able to explain to me why someone like Martha Stewart is such a danger to society that she can't be trusted with a gun.


*facepalm*
You want to give her a break because she's a criminal who netted a shiat-ton  more than another criminal who knocked over the corner 7/11?
 
2014-02-27 01:41:48 PM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: Even tho I don't have any children, my brothers do and they are very good with their kids; I have one cat for vermin control and one of the curs actually grooms the cat and the cat grooms her back.

That is different than this bluetick then.  He does not like cats at all. Or maybe he likes them too much...  Either way, they don't mix.


I like Blue ticks though, pretty dogs.   Thinking about one the next time I have to adopt another.  I bet I could teach a young dog to respect kitty.  The cat is a 16 pounder, and no softie himself ;)
 
2014-02-27 01:45:13 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Funny how my family managed to survive 30 years on about 10 acres in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by forest and river, with wild animals of various sizes and threat-levels coming onto our property all the time, and we never once felt the need to shoot any of them.


Did you have livestock on said land?  Do you depend upon those livestock for your livelihood?
 
2014-02-27 01:50:21 PM  

Latinwolf: HeadLever: mokinokaro: "Gubmint after mah guns"

There are several in 'gubmint' that would defiantly like to take our guns.  I take it you missed the Feinstein quote"  "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."

Of course right now, they don't have the votes, but that is because many resist these folks at every chance.

You mean that quote she said a couple of decades ago, after having witnessed two of her fellow lawmakers get assassinated in front of her?


He's already touted that mental health exams for potential gun owners is unnecessary control.

Don't bother. People like him can't be reasoned with. They're irrational when it comes to government and guns.
 
2014-02-27 01:53:21 PM  

Cold_Sassy: I bet I could teach a young dog to respect kitty.


Yeah, I understand that you can oftentimes get them to live together if you start young.

The cat is a 16 pounder, and no softie himself ;)

Do you own a bobcat or something?  That is a big cat.
 
2014-02-27 01:54:34 PM  

mokinokaro: He's already touted that mental health exams for potential gun owners is unnecessary control.


Where?

Looks like you are back to building strawmen again.  I guess, I'll have to keep burning them down for you...
 
2014-02-27 01:58:27 PM  

HeadLever: mokinokaro: He's already touted that mental health exams for potential gun owners is unnecessary control.

Where?
Looks like you are back to building strawmen again.  I guess, I'll have to keep burning them down for you...


dittybopper: mokinokaro: the solution to a crazy person with a gun isn't just a sane person with a gun, it's ways to keep the crazy person from having the gun in the first place

The problem is, how do you do that without seriously affecting the rights of the sane people, who are in the vast majority?


The problem with being an internet pyromaniac is that the internet never forgets, Sonja.
 
2014-02-27 02:11:43 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The problem with being an internet pyromaniac is that the internet never forgets, Sonja.


So I am dittybopper now?

The problem with being an internet dumbass like you is that the internet never forgets, sparky.
 
2014-02-27 02:15:52 PM  

HeadLever: mokinokaro: He's already touted that mental health exams for potential gun owners is unnecessary control.

Where?

Looks like you are back to building strawmen again.  I guess, I'll have to keep burning them down for you...


I actually had you mixed up with ditybopper (who does seem quite the conspiracy theorist)

Your arguments have been pretty level headed for the most part if a little bit paranoid about government inching on gun rights which I can understand due to how terrible some of the legislation on the issue has been.

But some sort of mental health program should be encouraged. Not just for gun ownership. There are a lot of Americans with untreated mental illnesses due to how badly budgets have gutted the institutions.
 
2014-02-27 02:24:17 PM  

mokinokaro: I actually had you mixed up with ditybopper (who does seem quite the conspiracy theorist)



At least you checked the source before posting unlike   demaL-demaL-yeH  .  Let's see if the nimrod can admit to the obvious error or if he calls me an alt
 
2014-02-27 02:30:01 PM  

HeadLever: Cold_Sassy: I bet I could teach a young dog to respect kitty.

Yeah, I understand that you can oftentimes get them to live together if you start young.

The cat is a 16 pounder, and no softie himself ;)

Do you own a bobcat or something?  That is a big cat.


He IS a healthy boy.  I got him from my brother who is always picking up stray cat .  I haven't got a cat from the pound in over 20 years.  My Mom takes one off his hands too until the end of its time and hers are always tiny little cats that you can hold in one hand.  For some reason mine always grow to leviathan proportions, which isn't always a bad thing; they can definitely take care of themselves.
 
2014-02-27 02:43:04 PM  

Cold_Sassy: which isn't always a bad thing; they can definitely take care of themselves.


That is the type of cat I'd like to introduce to a couple of my neighbor's yapping rat-dogs that think that they are tough :)

I love dogs, but nothing drives me up the wall like a yapper.
 
2014-02-27 02:43:11 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: How does regular mental health screening that should be an integral part of healthcare in the first damned place affect anysanebody's rights?

What if you don't want a mental health screening by the government?  Should you be required to get one?
Also, how would the determination of a person's mental health be affected by their refusal to submit to such a screening?  Would it be a Catch-22, where anyone who refuses obviously has some mental condition they want to hide?
Then, of course, we have the long, sad, and sordid history of governments both here and abroad abusing the rights of individuals under the guise of "mental health".

Tough crap. Do I think that basic health care screening for all members of the militia should be mandatory? Absofarkinglutely.
Failure to obey lawful orders is punishable under the UCMJ as a court martial may direct.
And the Supreme Court has addressed those abuses.


Heh.

I'm no longer part of the militia.  I've aged out:

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


The only possible way I could be subject to UCMJ is if I voluntarily enlist in the National Guard (which is what section 313 of title 32 is about).

And you *KNOW* that the Supreme Court has held that membership in the militia isn't a necessary precondition to exercising your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.  I know you know this, because I've quoted the Heller decision to you many a time.

/Besides, like any good MI soldier, I'm intimately familiar with UCMJ, largely due to alcohol.
 
2014-02-27 02:48:28 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: No one has yet been able to explain to me why someone like Martha Stewart is such a danger to society that she can't be trusted with a gun.

*facepalm*
You want to give her a break because she's a criminal who netted a shiat-ton  more than another criminal who knocked over the corner 7/11?


That doesn't explain why she would be a particular danger to society if she had a gun.  I mean, if you can come up with a decent connection between the interest of the government in preventing violent crime with guns and Martha Stewart skeet shooting, well, I'll seriously reconsider my position.
 
2014-02-27 02:48:45 PM  

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: The problem with being an internet pyromaniac is that the internet never forgets, Sonja.

So I am dittybopper now?
The problem with being an internet dumbass like you is that the internet never forgets, sparky.


No, dittybopper, even when I vehemently disagree with him, makes comments worth reading, and he has a sense of humor.
I'd never confuse you for him.

You dragged latinwolf into your subthread discussion with mokinokaro about dittybopper's objection to mental health exams.
If you look more closely into that subthread, you'll see that the third person masculine singular references before the one you objected to refer consistently to dittybopper, not you. As I read down the thread, I took mokinokaro's comment as yet another reference to dittybopper. One weakness of anaphora is ambiguity, and the best approach is to parse the references as consistent. Narcissism much?

/Look in the mirror and tell us all what a paranoid/narcissistic internet dumbass looks like, Sonja.
 
2014-02-27 02:55:55 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: As I read down the thread, I took mokinokaro's comment as yet another reference to dittybopper


You took mokinokaro's stated mistake and expounded it.  You are very good at taking fallacious comments and making them bigger.  In fact, it is pretty much your SOP.

It is one of the main reasons no one here takes you very seriously.
 
2014-02-27 03:00:30 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You dragged latinwolf into your subthread discussion with mokinokaro about dittybopper's objection to mental health exams.


And you will notice that latinwolf was the one that first responded to me. I did not drag him into anything.

But thanks for reaffirming to all of us your trouble with basic reading comprehension.
 
2014-02-27 03:00:48 PM  

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: As I read down the thread, I took mokinokaro's comment as yet another reference to dittybopper

You took mokinokaro's stated mistake and expounded it.  You are very good at taking fallacious comments and making them bigger.  In fact, it is pretty much your SOP.
It is one of the main reasons no one here takes you very seriously.


No, I correctly understood that mokinokaro was referring to dittybopper.
Are you asserting that he wasn't referring to dittybopper in addition to claiming that you are the official fark spokesmodel?
 
2014-02-27 03:08:12 PM  

dittybopper: nd you *KNOW* that the Supreme Court has held that membership in the militia isn't a necessary precondition to exercising your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.  I know you know this, because I've quoted the Heller decision to you many a time.


And you know what I've proposed for Congress to do to uncluster that particular clusterfark.

dittybopper: /Besides, like any good MI soldier, I'm intimately familiar with UCMJ, largely due to alcohol.


I'd laugh, but it would be laughing through tears. I lost too many good soldiers to that.

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: No one has yet been able to explain to me why someone like Martha Stewart is such a danger to society that she can't be trusted with a gun.

*facepalm*
You want to give her a break because she's a criminal who netted a shiat-ton  more than another criminal who knocked over the corner 7/11?

That doesn't explain why she would be a particular danger to society if she had a gun.  I mean, if you can come up with a decent connection between the interest of the government in preventing violent crime with guns and Martha Stewart skeet shooting, well, I'll seriously reconsider my position.


Considering how much she cleared without resorting to firearms, there's no way in hell I'm in favor of letting her use them.
/I find the phrase "Martha Stewart skeet shooting" inexplicably humorous.
 
2014-02-27 05:49:55 PM  
She makes my pants seem to not fit right, like they are a little tight just below the waist.
 
2014-02-27 10:11:17 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Danger: This 125-pound male cougar was killed the week before on the White ranch in Twisp


That is a cat who has been cornered, trapped, treed, and is pissed/scared. There is no honor in killing this boy.
 
2014-02-28 12:02:27 AM  
Meanwhile, here in California...

A Chico woman's dog is dead after an encounter with a mountain lion in Upper Bidwell Park.

The Chico State student said her dog saved her and her friend's lives.

Hiking in Upper Bidwell Park, you may hear the leaves rustle from time to time. Rarely do you see what's making the noise, let alone something big making that noise. But Rachel Athos, her 53-pound lab and pit bull mix Lexi, and a friend, did.

Saturday afternoon, Yahi trail, near Brown's hole, they had a close encounter with a mountain lion.

"[It was] crouched over, eyes dilated, and ears back... within an arm's length away from myself and my roommate," Athos said.

"Within a split second I was being thrown to the ground from my dog taking my feet out from running so fast," Athos said.

Lexi, who was leading the trail, ran to the back, putting herself in between the large mammal and the girls.Athos and her friend then walked ten minutes uphill, and didn't look back. Eventually they ran into two mountain bikers.

"It was then that we heard a commotion between the mountain lion and my dog and what was its last yelp for us," Athos said. "It was the loudest I've ever heard her in my life. The tone was definitely that she was going [away]."


Mountain Lion reportedly kills dog over weekend, owner says pet saved her life
 
2014-02-28 10:15:43 AM  

ultraholland: There is no honor in killing this boy.


Sometimes it is not about honor.  Sometimes it is about eliminating a threat to your livestock, pets and/or family.
 
2014-02-28 10:55:01 AM  
ongbok

Both those kids look creepy as hell.The little girl is already in the early stages of crazy eyes, and the boy looks like the preacher kid from the Children of the Corn.


Translation, "I hate their politics, so I'll pick on children over the internet from the safety of my mom's basement"
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2014-02-28 03:31:12 PM  

OnlyM3: ongbok

Both those kids look creepy as hell.The little girl is already in the early stages of crazy eyes, and the boy looks like the preacher kid from the Children of the Corn.

Translation, "I hate their politics, so I'll pick on children over the internet from the safety of my mom's basement"
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It's like that guy who wished death on people for the crime of being related to a cop.
 
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