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2014-02-27 12:40:46 AM

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I'm a Christian and I laughed so hard at that I spit my coffee on my keyboard. That's so ridiculous it's hilarious. And yet, someone thought it was a good idea to print it and give it to people...  /facepalm
 
2014-02-27 12:52:16 AM
Maul555: That is the most important thing, because you know that the feds wont ever stop pushing for more regulation over Texas,

We fought a civil war about this.  The South lost.  Winning the next civil war is the only way you state supremacists get to enforce your attitude.
 
2014-02-27 01:12:43 AM

kronicfeld: CountryClubRepublican: However, there is no reliable test for fertility

I bet not having a uterus is dispositive of fertility. So let's ban marriage for women with hysterectomies, so they're not using up men with good, fissile sperms.


That gives a new meaning to "hot sex".
 
2014-02-27 02:03:00 AM

Headso: ruling Wednesday it has no "rational relation to a legitimate government purpose."

Texans should love this, their government just got a little smaller.


Ill say again what I've said before: when marriage equality is official across the country, it will be the Republicans who take credit for it.
 
2014-02-27 04:07:29 AM

triptheory: This is currently a victory in word only. He immediately added a stay until it passes through appeals. You can absolutely expect the Rs to appeal.

Unfortunately, this domino won't fall until the SC forces it to.


To be absolutely honest, given the sensitivity of the issue that should have been 100% expected. The fact that it's been struck down at all is one of those momentum things that is critical, whether it is upheld or not.

The way I see it, it can be played as a win/win for Gay Rights. Best case, it stands and Texas gets to gay marry, which is a HUGE victory. Worst case, it gets overturned later and galvanizes the very active and affluent gay community here.
 
2014-02-27 06:55:07 AM
Somewhere in history, Texas got messed up, really off topic. Not the same Texas I remembered in the 70s and 80s, before kids and such. It's time to straighten up, follow the will of the people, and stop pandering to the special interests, namely those that pay a lot of money, while screwing the citizens of their rights. Things have gotten so bad, a wholesale purge is required to remove the infection.Perry and his *smarter* bother Dubya need to be tried on crimes against the American people, and when after a fair trial, they're found guilty, the others hopefully will start to fall like dominoes. Hopefully I'll live long enough to see it, but in reality, the next year or so is a bit of a stretch. But I can dream...
 
2014-02-27 07:36:56 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: TheThighsofTorgo: And another tasteful pastel domino falls...
While I would like the Supreme Court to step in and end this, I do admit it's satisfying to watch the inevitable slowly play out in stubborn hold-out states.
The 14th Amendment...it's just as important as the 2nd!

That is true, the satifying tick-tick-tick of dominoes falling and watching as the states rush to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

/While I await a finial SCOTUS decision, it is sort of funny.


IMO, the drip-drip-drip effect that is happening is actually a good thing in the long run.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have SCOTUS finish the job today (or heck, years ago for that matter, but that's for idealistic dreams).  Had SCOTUS swept it all aside in one early move, I think a 'gay marriage' equivalent of the abortion wars would have sprung up, allowing marriage equality to fester as a culture war item for decades to come.

What we're seeing now is a thorough dismantling of every possible argument that equality opponents could make.   Windsor finally exposed the legal framework that every sane judge and attorney was looking for, and in its wake, state and federal judges have wasted no time knocking chunks out of this barrier.  Opponents are running out of excuses as fast as they are running out of courts to throw themselves at.  And when SCOTUS does rule on this - and they will have to - it will be the final nail in a meticulously-built legal coffin that opponents will never be able to re-open.
 
2014-02-27 08:04:39 AM

chuggernaught: eraser8: Maul555: eraser8: Maul555: That is the most important thing, because you know that the feds wont ever stop pushing for more regulation over Texas

You mean regulations like keeping a fertilizer plant from killing a town?  Those kinds of regulations?

Are those the kinds of regulations you're talking about?  You want to see what lack of regulations looks like? Looks like this:

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But, if I'm mistaken and you're talking about something completely different, what are the regulations you're referring to?

And, explain, specifically, why the regulations are bad.

/full disclosure requires me to admit that I worked in the agency that oversees the Code of Federal Regulations and I understand how regulations actually work

fark off jackass... I am mostly talking about the EPA bullshiat...

Hey, jackass:  regulations of chemicals (as in fertilizers) comes under the joint jurisdiction of the EPA and OSHA.

So, explain -- IF YOU CAN -- why regulations that, if followed, would have kept a Texas town from being blown off the map are, somehow, bullshiat.

Explain why regulations are less preferable than this:

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Maul, you've been pwned.


ive been pwned by some asshole posting disaster pictures?  Its not worth my time to reply... I have already put this guy on ignore.   Its the same thing as posting a bunch of aborted fetuses in an abortion thread.  He is worthless...
 
2014-02-27 08:21:52 AM

Maul555: chuggernaught: eraser8: Maul555: eraser8: Maul555: That is the most important thing, because you know that the feds wont ever stop pushing for more regulation over Texas

You mean regulations like keeping a fertilizer plant from killing a town?  Those kinds of regulations?

Are those the kinds of regulations you're talking about?  You want to see what lack of regulations looks like? Looks like this:

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But, if I'm mistaken and you're talking about something completely different, what are the regulations you're referring to?

And, explain, specifically, why the regulations are bad.

/full disclosure requires me to admit that I worked in the agency that oversees the Code of Federal Regulations and I understand how regulations actually work

fark off jackass... I am mostly talking about the EPA bullshiat...

Hey, jackass:  regulations of chemicals (as in fertilizers) comes under the joint jurisdiction of the EPA and OSHA.

So, explain -- IF YOU CAN -- why regulations that, if followed, would have kept a Texas town from being blown off the map are, somehow, bullshiat.

Explain why regulations are less preferable than this:

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Maul, you've been pwned.

ive been pwned by some asshole posting disaster pictures?  Its not worth my time to reply... I have already put this guy on ignore.   Its the same thing as posting a bunch of aborted fetuses in an abortion thread.  He is worthless...


Sticking your fingers in your ear does not change the fact that you've failed to offer a single actual counter-argument. Or argument for that matter, short of "Regulations bad!"
 
2014-02-27 08:25:24 AM

WippitGuud: CountryClubRepublican: NkThrasher: Quelle surprise.  The 14th amendment exists.

In terms of marriage, homosexuals are not equal to heterosexuals because it is impossible for homosexuals to procreate, which is the main purpose of marriage.

All men are instantly divorced when they get a vasectomy! They can't procreate, their marriage is invalid!


If it was that easy, I would get a vasectomy today, and give the wife eviction notice as soon as I could write one.
 
2014-02-27 09:26:54 AM
Procreation is the least of our worries as a species
 
2014-02-27 09:39:05 AM

Trik: the decision is counter intuitive


No it isn't.   The New Mexico constitution says you cannot discriminate on sexual orientation.  They discriminated on sexual orientation.  Nothing counter intuitive.

the photographer was forced to violate his

Nope, no one forced him to open a public business in a state that has sexual orientation as a protected class, and no one is preventing him from worshipping.


They should have just been better than the photographer and moved on to someone who would have appreciated their business
but they had to show him
and force him to spend time in their company


They had to force him to comply with the law so that this does not become an accepted method of discrimination, much like minorities needed legal protections to prevent legal discrimination in the previous century.  Many of these discriminations were hidden under a viel of religious nonsense as well.
 
2014-02-27 09:42:19 AM

grumpfuff: Sticking your fingers in your ear does not change the fact that you've failed to offer a single actual counter-argument. Or argument for that matter, short of "Regulations bad!"


But think of all the jobs that were created by the lack of regulation enforcement. Repair work, medical staff overtime, funeral services.. and the media coverage that's going to continue stimulating Youtube revenues for -years- to come! Sheesh, you make it sound like the Waco explosion was a diaster instead of an economic benefit.
 
2014-02-27 11:25:14 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: If you flipped TX blue, a Dem candidate could theoretically get to 270 with as little as this:

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Obviously, this is a hypothetical map; I was simply took the 2012 map, added TX, then subtracted as many states as I could while staying above 270.  In reality, any election where TX goes blue will almost surely bring OH, FL, VA, and NV along with it.


Most likely NC as well.
 
2014-02-27 11:31:46 AM

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I'm a Christian and I laughed so hard at that I spit my coffee on my keyboard. That's so ridiculous it's hilarious. And yet, someone thought it was a good idea to print it and give it to people...  /facepalm


Are you unfamiliar with Chick Tracts?
 
2014-02-27 11:45:31 AM

ciberido: The "Q" can represent either "Queer" or "Questioning."

"Questioning" folks are people who think they might be gay (or some other variety of LBGT-what-have-you), but aren't sure.

"Queer" is a catch-all term that includes LBGT (so at first it seems redundant), but also includes a few more groups, such as the asexual folk (who don't want to have sex with anybody).


So, it covers a whole continuum of people... A Q Continuum, if you will...
 
2014-02-27 01:23:59 PM

Maul555: Its not worth my time to reply


On the other hand, you never did find time to reply to any of the nearly dozen people that continually asked you to present actual counter-arguments, or any actual explanation for your hatred of EPA-related regulations.
 
2014-02-27 01:46:10 PM

grumpfuff: Maul555: chuggernaught: eraser8: Maul555: eraser8: Maul555: That is the most important thing, because you know that the feds wont ever stop pushing for more regulation over Texas

You mean regulations like keeping a fertilizer plant from killing a town?  Those kinds of regulations?

Are those the kinds of regulations you're talking about?  You want to see what lack of regulations looks like? Looks like this:

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But, if I'm mistaken and you're talking about something completely different, what are the regulations you're referring to?

And, explain, specifically, why the regulations are bad.

/full disclosure requires me to admit that I worked in the agency that oversees the Code of Federal Regulations and I understand how regulations actually work

fark off jackass... I am mostly talking about the EPA bullshiat...

Hey, jackass:  regulations of chemicals (as in fertilizers) comes under the joint jurisdiction of the EPA and OSHA.

So, explain -- IF YOU CAN -- why regulations that, if followed, would have kept a Texas town from being blown off the map are, somehow, bullshiat.

Explain why regulations are less preferable than this:

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Maul, you've been pwned.

ive been pwned by some asshole posting disaster pictures?  Its not worth my time to reply... I have already put this guy on ignore.   Its the same thing as posting a bunch of aborted fetuses in an abortion thread.  He is worthless...

Sticking your fingers in your ear does not change the fact that you've failed to offer a single actual counter-argument. Or argument for that matter, short of "Regulations bad!"


Don't bother, he's just one need more GOP/TEA party at all cost follower of their Master's commands. I grew up in the oil patch country and still hear it all the time from the folks back home.

Most say regulations are always bad for business, and anything bad for business is bad for everyone. Never mind the pollution shortening life spans all around you. Watching friends and family die of every kind of cancer imaginable before their 60th birthdays.

That's if you're lucky enough to survive intact until then without being killed or disabled on the job site where OSHA is considered the enemy of profit and productivity.

Never mind the dozens of stories of people you know being driven into abject poverty by medical bills because they either can't afford insurance or the insurance their employers offer is utter shiat, "Obamacare" is pure communist evil that takes away all your God-given rights and hard earned cash.

The Conservatives of Texas are going to vote for Abbot, Cruz, & anyone else who fights the Feds and the way the Feds waste all their money, even if it bankrupts the State Treasury losing lawsuit after lawsuit. They are huge on State's Rights and smaller government, until another state votes for something they don't approve of, then they decry the Feds as being soft for not intervening.

They are so afraid of losing their own livelihood that they'll defend their bosses' rights to work them to death for slave wages and poison their families to the death.

And the religious and social conservatives are so convinced that "Others" are threatening their traditional way of life that they won't acknowledge that the traditional ways they believe in so dearly are either a myth or based on repressing other cultures, or both.

Change will come to Texas and the rest of the regressive States eventually. And that's what scares the social conservatives the most. That's the reason they are the most motivated to vote and be vocal, fear.

The fiscal conservatives are clinging to economic theories that have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout history and the adolescent fantasy that if only the damned tax and spend liberals would stop suffocating the creative classes, punishing hard work, rewarding the laziness of "others", and trying to take what is not theirs, that they too would be rewarded with great success and riches, which they don't want to pay a dime of taxes on, just like their bosses. Ignoring the fact that the game is rigged against them and their bosses are the ones making sure it stays rigged by getting them to vote against their own self-interests.

These two blocks overlap quite a bit (I blame mega - churches and talk radio preaching Prosperity Gospel 24-7), & they really get out the vote and the donations. It's a tough system to crack, but time and generally wider distribution of information can do it. The hard part now is Catapulting the Propaganda back into the manure piles from which it came.
 
2014-02-27 01:49:49 PM
7 billion people on the planet and rising, and people still think procreation is the primary function of marriage.  This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-02-27 01:50:25 PM

Baloo Uriza: You missed Oregon.


people.virginia.edu

Halfway it is, then.
 
2014-02-27 02:51:46 PM

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I'm blocking you so I dont have to see your one and only response when this topic comes up.  It's annoying, stahp it!
 
2014-02-27 03:53:26 PM

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I'm blocking you so I dont have to see your one and only response when this topic comes up.  It's annoying, stahp it!


I'd put the probability that you're a FauxNews faithful at 1.0.
/Regulation is inherently bad because potato and suchlike.
 
2014-02-27 03:55:15 PM

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I'm blocking you so I dont have to see your one and only response when this topic comes up.  It's annoying, stahp it!


I'm torn between laughter and loathing when it comes to that Chick booklet stuff.
/I suspect they're poeslaw.
 
2014-02-27 05:55:26 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I'm torn between laughter and loathing when it comes to that Chick booklet stuff.
/I suspect they're poeslaw.


Oh, no. They're quite sincere.

I've been collecting them for years. They're a part of why I'm no longer religious.
 
2014-02-27 05:59:30 PM

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Dammit, searched for text, didn't scroll through for images. Belated well played.
 
2014-02-27 09:18:08 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: tinfoil-hat maggie: TheThighsofTorgo: And another tasteful pastel domino falls...
While I would like the Supreme Court to step in and end this, I do admit it's satisfying to watch the inevitable slowly play out in stubborn hold-out states.
The 14th Amendment...it's just as important as the 2nd!

That is true, the satifying tick-tick-tick of dominoes falling and watching as the states rush to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

/While I await a finial SCOTUS decision, it is sort of funny.

IMO, the drip-drip-drip effect that is happening is actually a good thing in the long run.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have SCOTUS finish the job today (or heck, years ago for that matter, but that's for idealistic dreams).  Had SCOTUS swept it all aside in one early move, I think a 'gay marriage' equivalent of the abortion wars would have sprung up, allowing marriage equality to fester as a culture war item for decades to come.


I may be wrong, but as a culture war, I fear that it WILL fester for at least a few decades.  As a legal matter, on the other hand, I think once gay marriage is legal everywhere in the USA, it will stay that way.

Of course you can compare it to interracial marriage, as people often do, but I think it also bears some resemblance to Women's Suffrage.  There are even today a FEW Americans who think it's a bad idea, but it's a tiny little extremist minority.  And there's no danger of women being disenfranchised in the foreseeable future.
 
2014-02-27 09:22:06 PM

Maul555: chuggernaught: eraser8: So, explain -- IF YOU CAN -- why regulations that, if followed, would have kept a Texas town from being blown off the map are, somehow, bullshiat.

Explain why regulations are less preferable than this:

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[media.lehighvalleylive.com image 850x610]

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Maul, you've been pwned.

ive been pwned by some asshole posting disaster pictures?  Its not worth my time to reply... I have already put this guy on ignore.   Its the same thing as posting a bunch of aborted fetuses in an abortion thread.  He is worthless...


Yeah, Maul, you've been totally pwned in this thread.   Nobody's asking you to like it, but we'd respect you more if you'd admit it, or at least not try to deny it.
 
2014-02-27 09:24:52 PM

RobSeace: ciberido: The "Q" can represent either "Queer" or "Questioning."

"Questioning" folks are people who think they might be gay (or some other variety of LBGT-what-have-you), but aren't sure.

"Queer" is a catch-all term that includes LBGT (so at first it seems redundant), but also includes a few more groups, such as the asexual folk (who don't want to have sex with anybody).

So, it covers a whole continuum of people... A Q Continuum, if you will...


upload.wikimedia.org

I see what you did there.
 
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