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2014-02-26 05:05:15 PM  

meat0918: It's over reactionary conservatives.

You lost.

Again.


They lost Texas.  They won Uganda.  And Russia.  In terms of the West, we're making great progress, but on a global scale things are pretty grim.
 
2014-02-26 05:05:18 PM  

eraser8: Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives

Are you a troll or are you just stupid?


I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

you'd think that having been bullied for decades they'd be more sensitive to others beliefs
but that's not the case
forcing others to do your bidding outweighs all apparently
soon gays will think it's their birthright to have non-gays have sex with them
actors will have to take gay roles
and if you speak out against it you'll be charged with a hate crime
 
2014-02-26 05:05:41 PM  
PolyHatSnake: approves

hollywoodpsychicinsider.com
 
2014-02-26 05:08:07 PM  

PolyHatSnake: I read subby's headline, didn't RTFA, and came to the thread, thinking it was just a snarky reference to the continuing decline in the Texas beef industry. This is not the thread I thought I was walking into.


Granted, the continuing killer drought (going on 5-6 years now) has a lot to do with the decline.
It's raining today, thank goodness.
 
2014-02-26 05:09:19 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I live in Texas and this gets about a  -1 on my give-a-shiat meter.  I think gays should have the same equal rights as the rest of us to be miserable if that is what they want. Your bedroom is your business.

/but please, do keep the stereotypes up, Drew loves the clicks.


After reading this thread, I did NOT read "clicks" at first.
 
2014-02-26 05:09:41 PM  

kronicfeld: CountryClubRepublican: However, there is no reliable test for fertility

I bet not having a uterus is dispositive of fertility. So let's ban marriage for women with hysterectomies, so they're not using up men with good, fissile sperms.


Ectopic pregnancy.

// often fatal, so don't try it at home
 
2014-02-26 05:10:19 PM  

CountryClubRepublican: All the other reasons for marrying like inheritance, etc., can be handled legally outside of marriage


No, they cannot.  There are well over a thousand specific federal advantages to being married, i.e. being married gives you some leg up that is not available to those not married.  Those things cannot be extended by private contract, because you cannot force the feds to extend those benefits privately - except through a marriage.

And marriage has never been primarily about procreation. It is about defining property transfers.  Originally, this was the wife herself - indicating she was no longer owned by her father, but by her husband. Connected to that was transfer of wealth or patronage between families, through dowries and/or alliances.  Even inheritance matters are simply about insuring that the people receiving a family's wealth have ties to that wealth (so the dowry from Mr. Smith for Mr. Jones marrying his daughter doesn't go to Mr. Jones' mistress' son).  Kids are nice; kids means the family can continue.  But the marriage is about property transfer and protection.  Because note that until the very recent past, most people without significant wealth did not get married.  Dirt farmers just simply moved in together and started popping out babies; they were considered husband and wife just by those actions, because no one cared about who got a threadbare blanket and clay pisspot.  But the wealthy and powerful had elaborate rituals and negotiated deals in place, because who gained control of Aquitaine had serious socio-politico-economic ramifications.
 
2014-02-26 05:10:23 PM  

Maud Dib: PolyHatSnake: I read subby's headline, didn't RTFA, and came to the thread, thinking it was just a snarky reference to the continuing decline in the Texas beef industry. This is not the thread I thought I was walking into.
Granted, the continuing killer drought (going on 5-6 years now) has a lot to do with the decline.
It's raining today, thank goodness.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-26 05:10:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, it has nothing to do with equal rights. It's totally about elections.


Not what I said, Snowflake.  Deep breaths, how do they work?
 
2014-02-26 05:11:15 PM  

moeburn: QueenMamaBee: Geoff Peterson: I'm happy about the ruling, but I feel the headline is in poor taste and not up to FARK standards. Although a headline celebrating outlawing discrimination that refers to a derogatory epithet for said oppressed minority is pretty snarky.

I'm gonna give this one a pass.

LGBTQ  Some of them like that label....although none of my gay friends can explain to me what's the difference between G and Q.

I have no patience for people who take offence from somewhere it was not intended.  Just because you don't like it when I say "Wendy's new chicken burger is totally gay", doesn't mean I'm homophobic for saying it.  It just means I'm insensitive.


Jay Smooth's video is about racism, not homophobia, but I think it's applicable.
 
2014-02-26 05:11:17 PM  

Maul555: That is the most important thing, because you know that the feds wont ever stop pushing for more regulation over Texas


You mean regulations like keeping a fertilizer plant from killing a town?  Those kinds of regulations?

Are those the kinds of regulations you're talking about?  You want to see what lack of regulations looks like? Looks like this:

abcnews.go.com

img.gawkerassets.com

www.bradblog.com

www.dallasnews.com

But, if I'm mistaken and you're talking about something completely different, what are the regulations you're referring to?

And, explain, specifically, why the regulations are bad.

/full disclosure requires me to admit that I worked in the agency that oversees the Code of Federal Regulations and I understand how regulations actually work
 
2014-02-26 05:12:06 PM  

Polish Hussar: That steers and queers line, did the person who came up with it know that steers are castrated male cattle?  I hope he/she did, because it's a lot funnier that way.


I think that's probably why the screen writers of An Officer and a Gentleman had Louis Gossett Jr say it. Learn your cinema trivia, son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGs-tXWpR4
 
2014-02-26 05:12:15 PM  

Trik: eraser8: Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives

Are you a troll or are you just stupid?

I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

you'd think that having been bullied for decades they'd be more sensitive to others beliefs
but that's not the case
forcing others to do your bidding outweighs all apparently
soon gays will think it's their birthright to have non-gays have sex with them
actors will have to take gay roles
and if you speak out against it you'll be charged with a hate crime


Hey eraser, I am going with stupid.
 
2014-02-26 05:12:17 PM  

Infernalist: Texas should secede if it intends to remain American. ~ Random Derper

Let that peculate for a while.


I live in Houston. I recently saw a truck with exactly 2 bumper stickers. One old faded one that said "United We Stand" emblazoned with the American Flag. There was another apparently Newer bumper sticker that read "Secede" with the Lone Flag of Texas. So his viewpoint changed and he couldn't even be bothered to remove the contradictory sticker.

9/11 happens, God Bless Merca
Obama happens, secede.

I'm so embarrassed to live next door to people like this. (not literally, my next door neighbors are both well educated, liberal, and open minded.
 
2014-02-26 05:12:33 PM  

Maud Dib: PolyHatSnake: I read subby's headline, didn't RTFA, and came to the thread, thinking it was just a snarky reference to the continuing decline in the Texas beef industry. This is not the thread I thought I was walking into.

Granted, the continuing killer drought (going on 5-6 years now) has a lot to do with the decline.
It's raining today, thank goodness.


No kidding. This past summer I walked across Lake Travis. Didn't even get my knees wet.
 
2014-02-26 05:12:36 PM  

jaybeezey: Hobodeluxe: lets just get this to the SCOTUS and get it over with already.

No shiat. I'm Texan, conservative and straight and have no idea why it is such big deal to let same sex couples get married. It doesn't have any negative impact on anyone. You might as well be making abitrary laws about people who like cabbage can't get married to each other.

One a side note, i'd never enter the home of 2 people who eat a lot cabbage.


I notice in your list of things that you are, you did not mention your religion. I think that's the difference.
 
2014-02-26 05:14:12 PM  

Trik: eraser8: Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives

Are you a troll or are you just stupid?

I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

you'd think that having been bullied for decades they'd be more sensitive to others beliefs
but that's not the case
forcing others to do your bidding outweighs all apparently
soon gays will think it's their birthright to have non-gays have sex with them
actors will have to take gay roles
and if you speak out against it you'll be charged with a hate crime


I don't understand the point of suing them, unless the company signed a contract with one party, and then found out after down payment was made that the couple was gay, and refused to give back deposit and wouldn't provide them services.

If the above didn't happen, boycotting them, and telling all of your pro-gay buddies what they did, and how you'd like it if they did the same, and ending up driving them out of business should be enough.

But I suppose it has to do with all of those anti-discrimination laws that forced restaurants to have to serve other minorities, along with the preferred majority might have something to do with it.
 
2014-02-26 05:14:45 PM  
All for letting gays get married. About time they get to have the pleasure of losing half their stuff in a divorce. Why should straight people have all the fun?
 
2014-02-26 05:15:18 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I live in Texas and this gets about a  -1 on my give-a-shiat meter.  I think gays should have the same equal rights as the rest of us to be miserable if that is what they want. Your bedroom is your business.

/but please, do keep the stereotypes up, Drew loves the clicks.


Stereotypes? You guys elected Louis Gohmert and Ted Cruz. Fark off.
 
2014-02-26 05:15:40 PM  

obenchainr: QueenMamaBee: LGBTQ  Some of them like that label....although none of my gay friends can explain to me what's the difference between G and Q.

That's kind of odd that they can't explain it.

Gay is a sexual orientation.  Queer is a gender descriptor (as used nowadays).  A heterosexual man who bends gender lines (either through dress or habits) could be queer, though generally it's a label that is self-identified.  So, like, a transgender person is someone who identifies as a gender opposite that of their sex, and a queer person is someone who "blurs the lines" but doesn't necessarily identify as the opposite gender.


No, you're confusing transgender with transseuxal.  And "queer" doesn't have a meaning that specific.  "Queer" is an umbrella term that can mean many different things.
 
2014-02-26 05:15:51 PM  

Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives


I can almost hear the slow, stupid drawl.
 
2014-02-26 05:16:21 PM  

nakago: QueenMamaBee: Geoff Peterson: I'm happy about the ruling, but I feel the headline is in poor taste and not up to FARK standards. Although a headline celebrating outlawing discrimination that refers to a derogatory epithet for said oppressed minority is pretty snarky.

I'm gonna give this one a pass.

LGBTQ  Some of them like that label....although none of my gay friends can explain to me what's the difference between G and Q.

Q = Questioning, not Queer.


Both.
 
2014-02-26 05:16:33 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I live in Texas and this gets about a  -1 on my give-a-shiat meter.  I think gays should have the same equal rights as the rest of us to be miserable if that is what they want. Your bedroom is your business.

/but please, do keep the stereotypes up, Drew loves the clicks.


It's not a stereotype in a lot of parts of Texas, have you traveled much around the state? West Texas is full of little towns where there are more signs for Jesus than there are people. East Texas still has a bit of that Deep South sundown-town thing going on, not typically gay friendly. Hell, even here in Dallas, one of the most gay-friendly places in Texas, there are hordes of Southern Baptists who absolutely do not think gays should have the right to marriage.
 
2014-02-26 05:16:34 PM  

tylerdurden217: There was another apparently Newer bumper sticker that read "Secede" with the Lone Flag of Texas. So his viewpoint changed and he couldn't even be bothered to remove the contradictory sticker.


Ask 10 Texans about The Republic of Texas, and probably none of them will tell you that the Republic, during all 9 years of its tenure, was broke as a joke and CONSTANTLY begging the Feds to let them be a state.

And lo, once they shaved off the panhandle for Oklahoma (because we wants to keep our slaves, yessir we do), they got statehood, and never complained again.
 
2014-02-26 05:16:49 PM  

ciberido: "Queer" is an umbrella term that can mean many different things.


That's odd.
 
2014-02-26 05:18:52 PM  

Trik: eraser8: Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives

Are you a troll or are you just stupid?

I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

you'd think that having been bullied for decades they'd be more sensitive to others beliefs
but that's not the case
forcing others to do your bidding outweighs all apparently
soon gays will think it's their birthright to have non-gays have sex with them
actors will have to take gay roles
and if you speak out against it you'll be charged with a hate crime


Exactly.  Shouldn't black people be sensitive to the feelings of racists?  After all, blacks have been bullied so much that they should naturally encourage and become allies to the people who want to deny them services.

You seem a bit dim, so I'm going to go ahead and explain that that was sarcasm.

If you don't want to serve the public, you can start a members-only club -- which will allow you to discriminate.  But, if you operate a business "open to the public," then you have to serve the public.  That includes blacks and gays and Jews and Muslims and Mormons and Greeks and the Irish.

One final point: speech alone never leads to a hate crime prosecution.  Never.
 
2014-02-26 05:19:39 PM  

Trik: I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients


They sued them because the New Meixco constitution forbids discrimination of sexual orientation, the same reason a minority would sue you if you refused to serve them based on skin color.
 
2014-02-26 05:19:41 PM  

ariseatex: nakago: QueenMamaBee: Geoff Peterson: I'm happy about the ruling, but I feel the headline is in poor taste and not up to FARK standards. Although a headline celebrating outlawing discrimination that refers to a derogatory epithet for said oppressed minority is pretty snarky.

I'm gonna give this one a pass.

LGBTQ  Some of them like that label....although none of my gay friends can explain to me what's the difference between G and Q.

Q = Questioning, not Queer.

Sometimes it's both.  But then too many people gloss their eyes over when you say LGBTQQ, LGBTQQIA, or (heaven forbid) LGBTQQIA2SAPH.


Which is why I suggest "quiltbag," if "LBGTQ" seems insufficient.  If you're going to use more than five letters then you need an acronym you can pronounce.
 
2014-02-26 05:19:41 PM  

jst3p: Trik: eraser8: Trik: goody, another state where gays can bully people who don't want anything to do with them into catering, photographing, etc, etc their weddings and provide and service other aspects of their lives

Are you a troll or are you just stupid?

I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

you'd think that having been bullied for decades they'd be more sensitive to others beliefs
but that's not the case
forcing others to do your bidding outweighs all apparently
soon gays will think it's their birthright to have non-gays have sex with them
actors will have to take gay roles
and if you speak out against it you'll be charged with a hate crime

Hey eraser, I am going with stupid.


asinine is forcing your presence onto photographer who doesn't want to be around you

while not actually a sexual assault it violates a persons freedom of choice on a pretty personal level
 
2014-02-26 05:21:34 PM  

rkiller1: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, it has nothing to do with equal rights. It's totally about elections.

Not what I said, Snowflake.  Deep breaths, how do they work?


Eh? You think I'm worked up? That's precisely what you said.
 
2014-02-26 05:21:46 PM  

ltdanman44: [upload.wikimedia.org image 704x857]


farking hell Gunny...them eyebrows don't look regulation...
 
2014-02-26 05:23:05 PM  

balki1867: My former boss, who was very flamboyantly gay, recently moved from West Hollywood to Dallas with his boyfriend.  I was as shocked as anyone about this.  Would it be appropriate to congratulate him on this?


Don't be surprised - the Dallas version of West Hollywood is called Oak Lawn.  Oak Lawn is thriving and fabulous.
 
2014-02-26 05:23:26 PM  

lilplatinum: Trik: I thought I'd bookmarked it but apparently didn't
I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients

They sued them because the New Meixco constitution forbids discrimination of sexual orientation, the same reason a minority would sue you if you refused to serve them based on skin color.


the decision is counter intuitive
the nation was founded on freedom or religious belief
the photographer was forced to violate his

They should have just been better than the photographer and moved on to someone who would have appreciated their business
but they had to show him
and force him to spend time in their company
 
2014-02-26 05:23:26 PM  

CountryClubRepublican: Procreation is the primary purpose of marriage, but it is not a testable requirement. Since it is impossible for homosexuals to procreate, there is no purpose for them marrying. All the other reasons for marrying like inheritance, etc., can be handled legally outside of marriage.

And, since it is impossible for homosexuals to procreate, or have the potential for procreation, they are not equal to heterosexuals in marriage.


Wow, infertile couples must hate your ignorant ass.
 
2014-02-26 05:23:42 PM  

Magorn: QueenMamaBee: Geoff Peterson: I'm happy about the ruling, but I feel the headline is in poor taste and not up to FARK standards. Although a headline celebrating outlawing discrimination that refers to a derogatory epithet for said oppressed minority is pretty snarky.

I'm gonna give this one a pass.

LGBTQ  Some of them like that label....although none of my gay friends can explain to me what's the difference between G and Q.

Lawd knows this is like trying to nail jello to a wall, but last time I heard the term try to be defined it was either people who have some sort of kink like BDSM  and so are heterosexual but not "straight" or just heterosexuals who really really hate they they are so normal and so invented a category just for them so they could be oppressed too.

/Down with the cause, just have little patience for labels and navel gazing
//insist I inquire what your "preferred gender pronoun is and I will  make it a point never to need to know because I will never speak to you
/// Tell me your PGP is "cis" or "hir" or god help me "Xi" and I will rip out your lungs and show  them to you before you die

 Welcome to social justice
 
2014-02-26 05:23:42 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: From behind the Ironside Curtain in Freeperville, my comments in bold:

Why does Texas have to listen to a Federal Judge?

Why do the rest of us have to listen to Texas piss and moan all the time? I'll tell you why: sometimes you put up with your mentally challenged Uncle Kermit, even though he keeps trying to touch Cindy, because he's family.


"A federal judge"
ie, a constitution-loathing Marxist judge.

You know how those damn communists just love homosexuality


Our constitution is being usurped each and every damn day! This president, and all the damn libs in San Antonio need to be arrested

You and your fancy 'law degree', 'years of experience', 'education' and 'general human deceny' found something unconstitutional? Must mean it is, in fact, so constitutional that you can't take it anymore!

Texas needs to secede. This is tyranny, top down. I will gladly come to Texas and join secessionist forces. We do not need to remain beholden to the Barack Stalin thugs.

"I will gladly come to Texas and lend my fighting expertise. Texas does have a handicap ramp and hoveround parking, correct?"

One gets the distinct impression that these people have set this up long ago and just waited for "their day"...Like Soviet sleeper cells... called to activation..Just sayin'.....Nah.... couldn't be - they're just good, "loyal opposition" democrats after all...

I'd say, "Don't worry, you'll be safe in your mom's basement," but I don't think most double wides have basements.

His was appointed by Clinton.  He supports gay marriage.And his name is Orlando.

His name was Robert Paulsen. His name was Robert Paulsen. His name was Robert Paulsen.


I salute your bravery.  Make sure you go through detox before leaving the quarantine zone.
 
2014-02-26 05:24:03 PM  

ciberido: meat0918: It's over reactionary conservatives.

You lost.

Again.

They lost Texas.  They won Uganda.  And Russia.  In terms of the West, we're making great progress, but on a global scale things are pretty grim.


The only reason they won in Uganda is US evangelicals paying them off.  Once that money evaporates as they die off, things will change.

Russia is a different story, I half wonder if their anti-gay stance is just a facet of their general anti-West stance.
 
2014-02-26 05:24:45 PM  

Trik: asinine is forcing your presence onto photographer who doesn't want to be around you

while not actually a sexual assault it violates a persons freedom of choice on a pretty personal level


When you operate a business and provide services to the public you have to follow some rules. You can refuse service because you don't like their beard (unless it can be demonstrated that you are using that rule to exclude Orthodox Jews or other protected classes). You can't refuse service, in that instance, because you don't like their sexuality. If you don't like the rules don't profit from the rest of the community.

It isn't a difficult concept to understand.
 
2014-02-26 05:25:38 PM  

KAVORKA: I thought steers and queers was Oklahoma.


No, we're that "cowboys and indians state that's big on musical theater."  Seriously, though, you get more than 3 miles from town and it gets rednecks and redskins  real quick.  And the logo from the play is on the driver's license.
 
2014-02-26 05:25:45 PM  

Trik: the decision is counter intuitive
the nation was founded on freedom or religious belief
the photographer was forced to violate his


No he wasn't. He could have shut down his business. No one is forced to run a business and open their doors to the public. Once you do, you have to follow the rules.
 
2014-02-26 05:25:54 PM  

Trik: the nation was founded on freedom or religious belief
the photographer was forced to violate his


WRONG

No one forced the photographer to do business with the public. If doing this violates your religious beliefs, that is YOUR problem, not ours.
 
2014-02-26 05:25:58 PM  

meat0918: ciberido: meat0918: It's over reactionary conservatives.

You lost.

Again.

They lost Texas.  They won Uganda.  And Russia.  In terms of the West, we're making great progress, but on a global scale things are pretty grim.

The only reason they won in Uganda is US evangelicals paying them off.  Once that money evaporates as they die off, things will change.

Russia is a different story, I half wonder if their anti-gay stance is just a facet of their general anti-West stance.


Almost certainly, but you can't expect to influence others until you get your own affairs in order
 
2014-02-26 05:26:45 PM  
The world would be a better place if all Texans were gay or lesbian.


/ fewer Texans in a generation time.
 
2014-02-26 05:26:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rkiller1: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, it has nothing to do with equal rights. It's totally about elections.

Not what I said, Snowflake.  Deep breaths, how do they work?

Eh? You think I'm worked up? That's precisely what you said.


QFT
 
2014-02-26 05:27:01 PM  

Texian: Part of Garcia's ruling: "Equal treatment of all individuals under the law is not merely an aspiration it is a constitutional mandate."

Out-Farking-Standing, Judge! Sound off like you got a pair!


...so how do you feel about progressive income tax? Is tax law not law?
 
2014-02-26 05:27:22 PM  
So Farkers in Dallas. Is there anything to do here besides dudes?
 
2014-02-26 05:27:32 PM  
Also breaking, it looks like the Kentucky judge is going to force recognition of out of state marriages tomorrow (could be appealed, the AG is a D, but it's a Kentucky D), and talking about requiring the state to perform marriages in a matter of months once the legal process of new cases gets through.
 
2014-02-26 05:29:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I live in Texas and this gets about a  -1 on my give-a-shiat meter.  I think gays should have the same equal rights as the rest of us to be miserable if that is what they want. Your bedroom is your business.

/but please, do keep the stereotypes up, Drew loves the clicks.

Stereotypes? Some of You guys elected Louis Gohmert and Ted Cruz. Fark off.


Gohmert is an East Texas Congressman & Cruz won with 56% of the vote. We are not all the same. I even voted in the Republican primaries in 2012 to try to get Cruz off the ballot. Dude is a complete lunatic.


Trik: I forget which state it is but several gay couples sued to force a photographer and a caterer who didn't want to service them because of religious beliefs into having to take them as clients


So can I decline services to someone because I disagree with them politically? What about black people? Or men? How far does it go? Can I openly discriminate against whomever I please? Keep in mind that I work in the public safety industry.
 
2014-02-26 05:30:38 PM  
Dr Dreidel: Judging from the quotes, I think Magorn was getting pissed about needing to define every gender "role" in defined blocks, rather than accepting the gender spectrum as a reality.

And really, you're both right- people shouldn't get pissy when you address them against their preferences the first time, but you should learn asap what they prefer to be addressed as, and in the end it's what makes them happy (your point).

Also "roles" are not equivalent to actual gender.

I'm a very manly behavior based female, but I do enjoy girly things too, and prefer to dress advertising my femaleness within comfort range. I'm still a girl, through and through, and if we gave more acceptance to the spectrum, perhaps people would feel less defined by their presupposed(society enforced) gender so much that they change their sex surgically.

There is nothing wrong with changing one's sex, and if that's the only way to make you feel right/happy, okay- do it. More power to you.

My point is, perhaps if we were more accepting of behaviors that cross the "gender" line, maybe fewer people would feel uncomfortable about their gender so much, that they feel it necessary to have their sex match, to fit into preconcepts in society.
 
2014-02-26 05:31:34 PM  
As one of the minority of Texas who voted against this amendment, I am glad to see it struck down. The even better news is that Texas will probably appeal, meaning that the standing issue won't come up this time. I would absolutely love it if Texas is the state that brings gay marriage to everyone. (Especially since Texas is the state that made it possible in the first place thanks to Lawrence v. Texas.)
 
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