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(Politico)   The problem isn't that House of Cards is wrong about money and politics. The problem is that the reality is much worse   (politico.com) divider line 49
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2014-02-26 01:03:22 PM
Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.
 
2014-02-26 01:18:27 PM

jwa007: Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.


That wasn't really the point of the piece in my opinion. It's more that "if you think the fiction of the show lends itself to corruption, guess what? It's actually easier to be more corrupt in real life."
 
2014-02-26 01:19:04 PM
Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.
 
2014-02-26 01:38:41 PM
Really, the appropriate metaphor to be used is the American people standing at the edge of a Subway platform and our politicians are about to give us a hand.
 
2014-02-26 01:48:40 PM
Forgive me if I do not retire to my fainting couch. I did, after all, live through both the Clinton and Bush Administrations, and their attendant Congresses...
 
2014-02-26 02:34:23 PM
Well subby its a good thing you're around to tell us this stuff.
 
2014-02-26 02:35:49 PM
Just started watching this show last week, and I really wanted to like it, but there's nothing entertaining to me about a bunch of farking sociopaths that screw over millions of people just because they can.  It's farking depressing...especially considering it's based on real people.
 
2014-02-26 02:41:50 PM
Molly Parker still looks hot.
 
2014-02-26 02:42:14 PM

SubBass49: Just started watching this show last week, and I really wanted to like it, but there's nothing entertaining to me about a bunch of farking sociopaths that screw over millions of people just because they can.  It's farking depressing...especially considering it's based on real people.


Yeah, that.  It's like a dystopic version of "The West Wing".
 
2014-02-26 02:47:16 PM

jwa007: Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.


upload.wikimedia.org
So, this is just about the Salem Witch Trials, as far as you're concerned?
 
2014-02-26 02:50:27 PM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


Setup for the 3rd season.

As a congressman, Frank could run under the radar. He could murder people and send out his chief of staff to hide hookers, pay off cops and bang journalists. Nobody really notices a house member from bumbfark in DC as they go about the day-to-day.

As VP, he found himself in a golden cage. Constant security detail. Tracked movements. Monitored communications. He relied on his dirty chief of staff to get out and do the grunt work once he became VP.

As President, Frank will be micromanaged to within an inch of his life. There will be no sneaking out to do dirty deeds. No texting with burner phones. No sending out direct subordinates to put out fires in underhanded ways. Oh, and the underling he relied on? Gone.

Frank Underwood is a cockroach who relies on darkness to do what he does. Season 3 will be all about his ability (or inability) to adapt to managing the various crisis situations his previous actions have created on top of whatever fallout he will have as being the country's first totally unelected president in history (having never been on a federal election ticket). He is a dirty president who got into office with zero mandate, a closet with more skeletons than a New Orleans graveyard and the loss of his primary environmental advantage.

Also, no f-ing ribs!
 
2014-02-26 03:06:40 PM

dr-shotgun: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

Setup for the 3rd season.

As a congressman, Frank could run under the radar. He could murder people and send out his chief of staff to hide hookers, pay off cops and bang journalists. Nobody really notices a house member from bumbfark in DC as they go about the day-to-day.

As VP, he found himself in a golden cage. Constant security detail. Tracked movements. Monitored communications. He relied on his dirty chief of staff to get out and do the grunt work once he became VP.

As President, Frank will be micromanaged to within an inch of his life. There will be no sneaking out to do dirty deeds. No texting with burner phones. No sending out direct subordinates to put out fires in underhanded ways. Oh, and the underling he relied on? Gone.

Frank Underwood is a cockroach who relies on darkness to do what he does. Season 3 will be all about his ability (or inability) to adapt to managing the various crisis situations his previous actions have created on top of whatever fallout he will have as being the country's first totally unelected president in history (having never been on a federal election ticket). He is a dirty president who got into office with zero mandate, a closet with more skeletons than a New Orleans graveyard and the loss of his primary environmental advantage.

Also, no f-ing ribs!


And to think, we only have to wait ~1 year to see if your predictions come to fruition.

/That's what I get for binge watching the whole goddamn season in 3 days.
 
2014-02-26 03:09:12 PM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


Haven't watched the new season yet, and I think I'd better bow out of the thread before I hit real spoilers, but I thought that was kind of the point.

He is a very skilled operator, and combining that with his corruptness he is able to smash his opposition. I presume, ultimately, that same lack of scruples will prove a double edged sword and either bring him down, or get him locked in a mess of blackmail. Which, sadly, the latter is probably the way it usually works in politics, and the country is worse off as a result. You take a guy who is 80% good, had to get his hands dirty at some point, and then the blackmailing drags him lower and lower.
 
2014-02-26 03:17:37 PM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


As much as a worthy adversary would be entertaining to watch him duel with -- and I hope we see one or two before it's over; Seth has the potential to be one in my betting book -- I'd keep in mind that it's *probably* not a specific adversary at all that would prove his true downfall: just an amalgamation of little side effects of his past actions that surreptitiously combine to lead to explosive disaster, proving that all his smarts and skills and planning are more fragile than he ever believed.

Hence, y'know... the title of the show.
 
2014-02-26 03:18:20 PM

Eshman: And to think, we only have to wait ~1 year to see if your predictions come to fruition.

/That's what I get for binge watching the whole goddamn season in 3 days.


I think there's something about the cycle of Washington and the new Whip will be the new Frank, as she's learned many of his tricks.

/can't wait a goddamn year
//maybe I can start watching Orange is the New Black
 
2014-02-26 03:22:46 PM

somedude210: //maybe I can start watching Orange is the New Black


I enjoyed it.
 
2014-02-26 03:22:58 PM

jwa007: Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.


"Fiction is the lie through which we tell the truth." (Albert Camus)

As for the shocking revelation that money and politics go together like traffic and weather - I think most people figured that out about 3,000 years ago.
 
2014-02-26 03:34:36 PM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


He's created the instrument of his downfall.

i.imgur.com

She's well on her way to becoming Underwood (despite her protestations to the contrary).
 
2014-02-26 03:34:58 PM
Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy woo, do you know how many people it would take to pull something like this?

/bite the bait
 
2014-02-26 03:38:10 PM
Love the show, well... that is to say i love hating the characters on the show, everyone of them, it's like the show is basically instructions on how to be a miserable failure of a human being.
 
2014-02-26 03:43:09 PM

dr-shotgun: being the country's first totally unelected president in history


Frank is Gerald Ford? WHAT A PLOT TWIST!
 
2014-02-26 03:43:49 PM

Isitoveryet: Love the show, well... that is to say i love hating the characters on the show, everyone of them, it's like the show is basically instructions on how to be a miserable failure of a human being.


I can't hate on Kate. Maybe its just my penis doing the thinking for me.
 
2014-02-26 03:48:36 PM

jwa007: Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.


While true, it's nonetheless somewhat interesting how relevant shows like The West Wing can be, even today. House of Cards is more cynical in nature, yet still mundane compared to the reality.
 
2014-02-26 03:49:50 PM
The Underwoods definitely echo the Clintons!  Bi-equal axis of politically expedient evil.

www.vanityfair.com
 
2014-02-26 03:50:17 PM

jwa007: Just call me strange, but I never really look to fiction, rather printed or in TV/Movies/Stage for realistic portraits of how the world works.  It's escapist entertainment, it helps you escape everyday stuff.


While this is true, fiction can also give you context for the everyday world. For example...

"So how bad is corruption in politics anyway?"
"You ever watch House of Cards?"
"Yeah."
"Even worse than that."
 
2014-02-26 03:50:30 PM

Smackledorfer: Isitoveryet: Love the show, well... that is to say i love hating the characters on the show, everyone of them, it's like the show is basically instructions on how to be a miserable failure of a human being.

I can't hate on Kate. Maybe its just my penis doing the thinking for me.


whatever she lacks in integrity, she makes up for in beauty.

*spoiler alert*
how in the hell can she sleep with a married man? it makes me sick, both of them.
 
2014-02-26 03:58:15 PM
Cool article. I don't even watch House of Cards, but I followed the Colbert Superpac fiasco. I'll have to look more into the 501(c)4 nonprofit thing.
 
2014-02-26 04:07:55 PM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


I feel you, and my guess is, it is going to be the hacker guy. "Doug" is dead, "Frank" has no way to get to "Rachael", but the hacker does.

I mean, there has to be someone, otherwise, the show has no point, and I don't see any other choice.
 
2014-02-26 04:14:22 PM

mayIFark: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

I feel you, and my guess is, it is going to be the hacker guy. "Doug" is dead, "Frank" has no way to get to "Rachael", but the hacker does.

I mean, there has to be someone, otherwise, the show has no point, and I don't see any other choice.


Spoilers, obviously:

Well, at some point he has to be brought down. There's nowhere left for him to move up, aside from actually winning an election for the office. It would be somewhat fitting if the scheme that started his current rise (the Russo stuff) ends up being his downfall. Either that, or it ends up being some really minor thing he overlooked that brings him down.

I just don't want the show to continue for the sake of continuing. I think one more season would be perfect, maybe two.

Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?
 
2014-02-26 04:20:00 PM

dr-shotgun: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

Setup for the 3rd season.

As a congressman, Frank could run under the radar. He could murder people and send out his chief of staff to hide hookers, pay off cops and bang journalists. Nobody really notices a house member from bumbfark in DC as they go about the day-to-day.

As VP, he found himself in a golden cage. Constant security detail. Tracked movements. Monitored communications. He relied on his dirty chief of staff to get out and do the grunt work once he became VP.

As President, Frank will be micromanaged to within an inch of his life. There will be no sneaking out to do dirty deeds. No texting with burner phones. No sending out direct subordinates to put out fires in underhanded ways. Oh, and the underling he relied on? Gone.

Frank Underwood is a cockroach who relies on darkness to do what he does. Season 3 will be all about his ability (or inability) to adapt to managing the various crisis situations his previous actions have created on top of whatever fallout he will have as being the country's first totally unelected president in history (having never been on a federal election ticket). He is a dirty president who got into office with zero mandate, a closet with more skeletons than a New Orleans graveyard and the loss of his primary environmental advantage.

Also, no f-ing ribs!


God dammit...it's my fault for even opening this thread, but I really didn't expect to have the entire second half of the season ruined.

/so thanks
 
2014-02-26 04:21:51 PM

NeoCortex42: Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?


No, you're not. I'd also add the first time we see Feng where he's being suffocated and buggered by that couple. Completely gratuitous (unless the idea is that all powerful people engage in deviant sex).
 
2014-02-26 05:03:17 PM

SamWaters: The Underwoods definitely echo the Clintons!  Bi-equal axis of politically expedient evil.

[www.vanityfair.com image 600x800]


What's it like, to be so stupid?
 
2014-02-26 05:23:14 PM

Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?

No, you're not. I'd also add the first time we see Feng where he's being suffocated and buggered by that couple. Completely gratuitous (unless the idea is that all powerful people engage in deviant sex).


I disagree.  I thought it was an excellent way to show that even ruthless sociopaths end up trusting someone and leaving themselves various vulnerabilities due to the natural appetites of their humanity, however little of it they have.
 
2014-02-26 05:27:41 PM
The thing I don't completely get,and I may be missing some very important detail, is about the prostitute.  I mean, the only thing she can confirm is that she was in the car with Russo when he got arrested.  And Frank pulled strings to make the arrest go away... which he admitted to.  But is making the arrest go away that big of deal?  She can't tie him to Russo's death right?  Lots of circumstance... so why the big deal with Rachel Posner?
 
2014-02-26 05:30:45 PM

karmaceutical: The thing I don't completely get,and I may be missing some very important detail, is about the prostitute.  I mean, the only thing she can confirm is that she was in the car with Russo when he got arrested.  And Frank pulled strings to make the arrest go away... which he admitted to.  But is making the arrest go away that big of deal?  She can't tie him to Russo's death right?  Lots of circumstance... so why the big deal with Rachel Posner?


All the reporters knew was that Rachel would likely be able to confirm that Russo got the charges against himself dropped, most likely with help from Underwood.  However, if she started talking, she could also confirm that she was put up to the task of getting him to relapse into his alcoholic behavior before his big interview, directly leading to his "suicide".
 
2014-02-26 05:38:19 PM

NeoCortex42: karmaceutical: The thing I don't completely get,and I may be missing some very important detail, is about the prostitute.  I mean, the only thing she can confirm is that she was in the car with Russo when he got arrested.  And Frank pulled strings to make the arrest go away... which he admitted to.  But is making the arrest go away that big of deal?  She can't tie him to Russo's death right?  Lots of circumstance... so why the big deal with Rachel Posner?

All the reporters knew was that Rachel would likely be able to confirm that Russo got the charges against himself dropped, most likely with help from Underwood.  However, if she started talking, she could also confirm that she was put up to the task of getting him to relapse into his alcoholic behavior before his big interview, directly leading to his "suicide".


Ah... that would be the bit I forgot.
 
2014-02-26 05:41:23 PM

karmaceutical: The thing I don't completely get,and I may be missing some very important detail, is about the prostitute.  I mean, the only thing she can confirm is that she was in the car with Russo when he got arrested.  And Frank pulled strings to make the arrest go away... which he admitted to.  But is making the arrest go away that big of deal?  She can't tie him to Russo's death right?  Lots of circumstance... so why the big deal with Rachel Posner?


Rachel was the prostitute who seduced Russo and sent him on his terminal binge. She can also tie him to the corrupt police captain.
 
2014-02-26 06:06:52 PM
i think House of Cards is very accurate.  and appropriately named too.  course, you could never get a patriotic 'merican to admit it.  America is always number 1.  wink.

the Hilarious thing is that one day, those Chickens are going to come home to roost.  and everyone will be looking around with the deer in the headlights look claiming they never saw it coming.
 
2014-02-26 07:47:51 PM
SPOILERS

jake_lex:
Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


My problem with the season is that everyone is too easily manipulated, most notably the President. Frank isn't so much a master tactician, it's that everybody else in DC is incredibly gullible. All he has to do is spew enough lies and eventually one will stick. The only reason he beats Tusk is because he has more access to the President.
 
2014-02-26 07:55:39 PM
NeoCortex42: mayIFark: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

I feel you, and my guess is, it is going to be the hacker guy. "Doug" is dead, "Frank" has no way to get to "Rachael", but the hacker does.

I mean, there has to be someone, otherwise, the show has no point, and I don't see any other choice.

Spoilers, obviously:

Well, at some point he has to be brought down. There's nowhere left for him to move up, aside from actually winning an election for the office. It would be somewhat fitting if the scheme that started his current rise (the Russo stuff) ends up being his downfall. Either that, or it ends up being some really minor thing he overlooked that brings him down.

I just don't want the show to continue for the sake of continuing. I think one more season would be perfect, maybe two.


I don't think he necessarily has to be brought down -- in fact, the show is probably too cynical for that. I think you're right that the next struggle will be governing with the GOP controlling the House and Senate, and then trying to win his party's nomination for reelection. The Claire story line could easily become much larger.

Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?

I felt it was a hackneyed idea that since Frank a sociopath, he therefore has freaky sex (same deal with Fang) -- people like him get pleasure in ways very different than the rest of us.

(I'm not saying I believe this, but what I think the writers are trying to communicate).
 
2014-02-26 08:51:55 PM

thornhill: I felt it was a hackneyed idea that since Frank a sociopath, he therefore has freaky sex (same deal with Fang) -- people like him get pleasure in ways very different than the rest of us.


So being bisexual is "freaky" sex? I never really thought of it as "freaky" when we live in a world with German poo-porn and guys who shoot videos of themselves having sex with little plastic dolls.
 
2014-02-26 09:09:59 PM

Nix Nightbird: thornhill: I felt it was a hackneyed idea that since Frank a sociopath, he therefore has freaky sex (same deal with Fang) -- people like him get pleasure in ways very different than the rest of us.

So being bisexual is "freaky" sex? I never really thought of it as "freaky" when we live in a world with German poo-porn and guys who shoot videos of themselves having sex with little plastic dolls.


As the show sees it, yes -- hence the reason I called this hackneyed.
 
2014-02-26 09:40:07 PM

NeoCortex42: Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?


There was a threeway with his wife. Frank, the SS agent and his wife. And they all farked. Frank is bisexual.

/you sounded like you needed it spelled out.
 
2014-02-26 09:46:27 PM

The_Time_Master: NeoCortex42: Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?

There was a threeway with his wife. Frank, the SS agent and his wife. And they all farked. Frank is bisexual.

/you sounded like you needed it spelled out.


I understood what happened. I just think it seemed an odd way for things to play out, unless they plan on somehow using the incident for something bigger down the road with the Secret Service guy.
 
2014-02-26 10:34:22 PM
As I said after finishing HoC season 2, the most unrealistic thing about the season wasn't the corruption, it was the fact people got in trouble for, and had to face consequences for, it.
 
2014-02-27 12:26:11 AM

jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.


I think, in the end, Frank's only worthy adversary will end up being Frank.  He's going to think he's invincible, and he'll do something stupid in public that will cause all of his past crimes to come to light.
 
2014-02-27 01:31:14 AM
dr-shotgun:

Frank Underwood is a cockroach who relies on darkness to do what he does. Season 3 will be all about his ability (or inability) to adapt to managing the various crisis situations his previous actions have created on top of whatever fallout he will have as being the country's first totally unelected president in history (having never been on a federal election ticket).

Exactly this.  Season 1 + 2 were all about his meteoric rise and the vile tactics he used to get there.

I'm guessing Season 3 will be all about his downfall... at least I hope it is.
 
2014-02-27 02:11:44 AM

NeoCortex42: mayIFark: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

I feel you, and my guess is, it is going to be the hacker guy. "Doug" is dead, "Frank" has no way to get to "Rachael", but the hacker does.

I mean, there has to be someone, otherwise, the show has no point, and I don't see any other choice.

Spoilers, obviously:

Well, at some point he has to be brought down. There's nowhere left for him to move up, aside from actually winning an election for the office. It would be somewhat fitting if the scheme that started his current rise (the Russo stuff) ends up being his downfall. Either that, or it ends up being some really minor thing he overlooked that brings him down.

I just don't want the show to continue for the sake of continuing. I think one more season would be perfect, maybe two.

Also, am I the only person that thinks the kiss with the secret service guy seemed an odd direction to go?


They also hinted at it when he was at his class reunion. Something implied about him being involved with one of his buddies back in the day.
But grand scale? Not sure if it's anything major or just a character detail.
 
2014-02-27 02:25:19 AM

mayIFark: jake_lex: Spoilers to follow.


I like this show, and I really liked the last season, but my big problem with the show has always been that it just feels like they can't find a worthy adversary for Frank. It looked like Raymond Tusk was going to fill that role last season, but in the end Frank just steamrolled over him as well.

I feel you, and my guess is, it is going to be the hacker guy. "Doug" is dead, "Frank" has no way to get to "Rachael", but the hacker does.

I mean, there has to be someone, otherwise, the show has no point, and I don't see any other choice.


Whether directly or not, I'm thinking so too, and hopefully we'll see more of him next season. And Cashew.
Plus it's awesome to see him in something other than It's Always Sunny. I was surprised by how much I like him in House of Cards when he's not one of the creepy McPoyles and wearing an eyepatch.
 
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