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(Guardian)   How polluted is China? The air now registers as if the country were leveled with nuclear weapons   (theguardian.com) divider line 83
    More: Followup, nuclear weapons, air pollution, Hebei Province, primary sector of the economy, civil engineers  
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2014-02-26 12:09:36 PM  
Repeat?
Repeat?
Repeat?

Repeat?

/.....repeat.
 
2014-02-26 12:10:13 PM  
inspirehappy.com
 
2014-02-26 12:10:48 PM  
EPA, regulatory agencies? Pfffffft, who needs 'em?
 
2014-02-26 12:12:37 PM  
Well, that would bring jobs back to the US.
 
2014-02-26 12:13:40 PM  
Repeat
Followup
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Followup

/lisa needs braces
 
2014-02-26 12:13:45 PM  
Deja vu!
 
2014-02-26 12:13:49 PM  
Capitalist paradise. No gummint enviro regulations, so all the econazis can go screw themselves.
 
2014-02-26 12:14:50 PM  
Is this a different China this time ?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-26 12:15:15 PM  
And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!
 
2014-02-26 12:20:04 PM  
Libertarian Paradise!
 
2014-02-26 12:20:30 PM  
I blame Nixon.
 
2014-02-26 12:21:30 PM  

theorellior: And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!


Dear god, give it a rest.

You're like the Mormons whose every thought centers around homosexuals.
 
2014-02-26 12:21:54 PM  

thesubliminalman: Is this a different China this time ?


Now with more clenis!
 
2014-02-26 12:22:23 PM  

FTA Chinese scientists have warned that the country's toxic air pollution is now so bad that it resembles a nuclear winter, slowing photosynthesis in plants - and potentially wreaking havoc on the country's food supply.


The Market will regulate itself! The only concern of a corporation is making as much profit as possible for its executives shareholders! End job-killing regulations!

 
2014-02-26 12:24:23 PM  

Witty_Retort: Libertarian Paradise!


China is now libertarian?
 
2014-02-26 12:26:19 PM  

Witty_Retort: Libertarian Paradise!


Boy sure is farking retarded in here.
 
2014-02-26 12:27:04 PM  
i221.photobucket.com

Looking to Beijing from the Great Wall last week on a sunny day... yeah you can't see anything
 
2014-02-26 12:27:46 PM  
Well..... I guess that puts a little chink in their plans to move their society into the 21st Century.
 
2014-02-26 12:29:12 PM  

Banned on the Run: Dear god, give it a rest.


Oh, your bleeding heart. Why do you hate capitalism and America? Take a moment to think of all the coal slurry we'd be able to dump in the rivers of our great nation. Can't let the ChiComs beat us to the punch.
 
2014-02-26 12:29:35 PM  

Banned on the Run: theorellior: And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!

Dear god, give it a rest.

You're like the Mormons whose every thought centers around homosexuals.


Nope, just realists.  The democrats are weak on environmental policy, the GOP is actively terrible.  Simplest example?  Under George Dubya the EPA wasn't even allowed to demand the piddling small fines they can levy against the worst polluters.

Because anything, ANYTHING, is worth it to "stick it to the hippies."
 
2014-02-26 12:32:51 PM  
Yet we're the ones being told WE need stricter EPA regulations to combat Climate Change
 
2014-02-26 12:33:19 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: Well..... I guess that puts a little chink in their plans to move their society into the 21st Century.


What you did there, I see it.
 
2014-02-26 12:42:59 PM  
www.squidmobile.com
Smog.  Smog never changes.
 
2014-02-26 12:44:24 PM  

Marc_Arsenal: Yet we're the ones being told WE need stricter EPA regulations to combat Climate Change


And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.  So let's ignore that fleet of exports coming out of China and buy a Prius.
 
2014-02-26 12:45:01 PM  
Denialist:  Hey, I've got an idea. Let's fight global warming by spraying SO2 to make more white clouds to block out the Sun.

China: Been there. Done that. Global dimming isn't any better than global warming. Sorry. No good.

Denialists (together): Aw, you're no fun anymore!
 
2014-02-26 12:45:23 PM  

Banned on the Run: Witty_Retort: Libertarian Paradise!

China is now libertarian?


Well, that's the thing, they are Communist, but have almost no regulations. Try to wrap your head around that one.
 
2014-02-26 12:45:29 PM  
Was there a couple of months ago during one of those awful pollution days.

The U.S. State Department has an hourly update of pollution levels in Beijing (and other Chinese cities) here.
 
2014-02-26 12:46:00 PM  

Banned on the Run: Marc_Arsenal: Yet we're the ones being told WE need stricter EPA regulations to combat Climate Change

And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.  So let's ignore that fleet of exports coming out of China and buy a Prius.


Well that's it folks, we can't solve the problem entirely so we'd better just pack up and stop trying.
 
2014-02-26 12:49:16 PM  

Banned on the Run: And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-26 12:49:40 PM  

AngryDragon: Well, that would bring jobs back to the US.


If you have got an idea on how to clean heavy metals and other toxins out of the air, the jobs will return on clouds of dust and smog blown across the Pacific. Jobs can be outsourced but the pollution comes back like the cat in one of my favourite songs:   The Cat Came Back.

You can watch the cartoon short at the NFB of Canada website or on Youtube:

https://www.nfb.ca/film/the-cat-came-back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM

I love that song.

While you're there, look up the fable "How Dinsaurs Learned to Fly". Adorable. Also super good: "The Log Driver's Waltz" and "The Black Fly".
 
2014-02-26 12:50:13 PM  

Marc_Arsenal: Yet we're the ones being told WE need stricter EPA regulations to combat Climate Change


Per capita. Long term trends.
 
2014-02-26 12:50:33 PM  

TheBigJerk: Banned on the Run: theorellior: And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!

Dear god, give it a rest.

You're like the Mormons whose every thought centers around homosexuals.

Nope, just realists.  The democrats are weak on environmental policy, the GOP is actively terrible.  Simplest example?  Under George Dubya the EPA wasn't even allowed to demand the piddling small fines they can levy against the worst polluters.

Because anything, ANYTHING, is worth it to "stick it to the hippies."


In a thread about China, he brought it around to US politics.
That was a non-ironic application of the "Thanks, Obama!" meme in reverse.

That's like me saying "China thread?  OK....."

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-26 12:51:30 PM  
Lisa needs braces.

You think maybe this has something to do with outsourcing? Like maybe somebody (corrupt unions, perhaps) sacrificed their birth right for free doughnuts or a keg of beer at the Annual Company Picnic?
 
2014-02-26 12:52:12 PM  

thesubliminalman: Is this a different China this time ?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 480x737]


This one may sport a more modest clenis. so yes.
 
2014-02-26 12:53:04 PM  

Banned on the Run: theorellior: And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!

Dear god, give it a rest.

You're like the Mormons whose every thought centers around homosexuals.


But they like homosexuals! And magic underpants. And profit.
 
2014-02-26 12:54:49 PM  
 
2014-02-26 12:55:25 PM  
So, that Nuclear Winter thingie is over hyped as well?

Banned on the Run: TheBigJerk: Banned on the Run: theorellior: And if we're lucky and the Republicans take the Senate, we'll have this paradise available here in the good ole USA!

Dear god, give it a rest.

You're like the Mormons whose every thought centers around homosexuals.

Nope, just realists.  The democrats are weak on environmental policy, the GOP is actively terrible.  Simplest example?  Under George Dubya the EPA wasn't even allowed to demand the piddling small fines they can levy against the worst polluters.

Because anything, ANYTHING, is worth it to "stick it to the hippies."

In a thread about China, he brought it around to US politics.
That was a non-ironic application of the "Thanks, Obama!" meme in reverse.

That's like me saying "China thread?  OK....."

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 481x720]


Sumbody get that girl a bra that fits.
Is there a "Bra Gap" between China and USA?
Another cold war and a nice "Bra Race" aughta fix 'em.
 
2014-02-26 12:55:55 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: Well..... I guess that puts a little chink in their plans to move their society into the 21st Century.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-26 12:55:56 PM  

real_headhoncho: With an estimated 800million cars driving around the planet, that means 16 super-ships can emit as much sulphur as the world fleet of cars.


Sulfur != greenhouse gas.

Reading is fundamental.
 
2014-02-26 12:56:06 PM  
but murika needs more manufactuerin jerbs
 
2014-02-26 12:57:11 PM  

real_headhoncho: theorellior: Banned on the Run: And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]

Bunker fuel is also thick with sulphur. IMO rules allow ships to burn fuel containing up to 4.5 per cent sulphur. That is 4,500 times more than is allowed in car fuel in
the European Union. The sulphur comes out of ship funnels as tiny particles, and it is these that get deep into lungs.

Thanks to the IMO's rules, the largest ships can each emit as much as 5,000 tons of sulphur in a year - the same as 50million typical cars, each emitting an average of 100 grams of sulphur a year.

With an estimated 800million cars driving around the planet, that means 16 super-ships can emit as much sulphur as the world fleet of cars.


Oh yea?
Well, where is your consensus?
Huh?
Betcha never thought of that.
 
2014-02-26 12:57:21 PM  

Banned on the Run: That's like me saying "China thread? OK....."


I see nothing wrong with this. Groove on your bad self!
 
2014-02-26 12:57:30 PM  
The air now registers as if the country were leveled with nuclear weapons

So the air is full of radioactive particles?
 
2014-02-26 12:58:43 PM  
If the Chinese government ends up killing off a chunk of it's population via air pollution... I'm not sure what I'd call that. Sad. Or hilarious. Or both.
 
2014-02-26 12:59:55 PM  

theorellior: Banned on the Run: And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]


Looking for the source but I can't find it and have to go.
That statement I think referred to non CO2 gasses -- sulfur, nitrogen, etc.
Was not pulled out of my ass.
 
2014-02-26 01:00:16 PM  

lilbjorn: The air now registers as if the country were leveled with nuclear weapons

So the air is full of radioactive particles?


That too.
But, fugidabootit, we are all in consensus that the "real" problem is CO2.  (sic)
 
2014-02-26 01:01:08 PM  

Banned on the Run: Marc_Arsenal: Yet we're the ones being told WE need stricter EPA regulations to combat Climate Change

And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.  So let's ignore that fleet of exports coming out of China and buy a Prius.


Bollocks. Check your facts. Even those who think shipping is awful, nasty, dirty and vile put global shipping as a percentage of pollution in sixth place.

You should consider reading it by the light of shale gas flare-offs, perhaps. Even conservative business columnists find flaring off the glut of gas appalling. We can't burn it on land fast enough.

/stupid farkin' monkeys
 
2014-02-26 01:01:25 PM  

Richard C Stanford: If the Chinese government ends up killing off a chunk of it's population via air pollution... I'm not sure what I'd call that. Sad. Or hilarious. Or both.


Just so we don't let them get on Obamacare and have to pay their bills.
 
2014-02-26 01:01:58 PM  

Banned on the Run: Was not pulled out of my ass.


Someone else posted it, from the Daily FAIL, no less, and I already registered my opinion of its application to the present discussion.
 
2014-02-26 01:02:41 PM  

real_headhoncho: theorellior: Banned on the Run: And 12 supersized cargo ships produce more greenhouse gasses than all the world's cars combined.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]

Bunker fuel is also thick with sulphur. IMO rules allow ships to burn fuel containing up to 4.5 per cent sulphur. That is 4,500 times more than is allowed in car fuel in
the European Union. The sulphur comes out of ship funnels as tiny particles, and it is these that get deep into lungs.

Thanks to the IMO's rules, the largest ships can each emit as much as 5,000 tons of sulphur in a year - the same as 50million typical cars, each emitting an average of 100 grams of sulphur a year.

With an estimated 800million cars driving around the planet, that means 16 super-ships can emit as much sulphur as the world fleet of cars.


So still incorrect >.>
 
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