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2014-02-26 11:11:19 AM
Lifestyle choice?
 
2014-02-26 11:20:17 AM

Calmamity: Lifestyle choice?


It's not a choice any more than being straight is a choice
 
2014-02-26 11:27:23 AM
So, since it is angled to the left, does that mean it is liberal? I'm sure there some conspiracy nut out there that has written an article on that.
 
2014-02-26 11:30:11 AM
Much like my pointer, not a damn thing about me is straight.
 
2014-02-26 11:31:18 AM

halfpastnvr: So, since it is angled to the left, does that mean it is liberal? I'm sure there some conspiracy nut out there that has written an article on that.


Thanks Obama.
 
2014-02-26 11:37:33 AM

Prey4reign: halfpastnvr: So, since it is angled to the left, does that mean it is liberal? I'm sure there some conspiracy nut out there that has written an article on that.

Thanks Obama.


IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-26 11:59:36 AM
Because SHUT UP, that's why.
 
2014-02-26 12:15:21 PM
duh?
 
2014-02-26 12:37:05 PM
And it's still easier to see. Useless news is... Useless.

Tomorrow: Why the mouse pointer isn't a giant 200x300 pixel penis(Hint: Because the majority of people wouldn't like it, even the ones who like penis).
 
2014-02-26 12:37:33 PM
Seriously, subby -- even Ric Romero's rolling his eyes at the obviousness of the answer to this question.
 
2014-02-26 12:38:20 PM
well that was short and to the point. Thank you,
 
2014-02-26 12:39:46 PM
The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.
 
2014-02-26 12:45:57 PM

fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.


It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.
 
2014-02-26 12:55:19 PM
It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.
 
2014-02-26 01:03:20 PM

phalamir: It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.


Same thing with the qwerty keyboard. It's actually not a very efficient layout, but everyone has become so accustomed to them it's hard to break in anything else (and others do exist: Dvorak, etc).
 
2014-02-26 01:16:47 PM

phalamir: It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.


This is fark.  Reasonable discussions on the evolution of design of products are not accepted.
 
2014-02-26 01:18:58 PM
ih1.redbubble.net
 
2014-02-26 01:19:10 PM
STEVE JOBS INVENTED GUIS
 
2014-02-26 01:23:08 PM

pacified: STEVE JOBS INVENTED GUIS


If that were true the pointer would be a round dot.
 
2014-02-26 01:25:56 PM

phalamir: It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.


Let me try.  The slanted mouse pointer is an advantage because it's useful to be able to see whatever is directly left, right, above, or below the pointer, but less useful to be able to see what is diagonal from the pointer.  By slanting the pointer instead of making it vertical, less of what is below the pointer is obstructed.  So it does provide an advantage today.
 
2014-02-26 01:33:59 PM
It's all part of the gay agenda...study it out people.
 
2014-02-26 01:37:03 PM
Without reading TFA, I will guess that it's to keep the pointer out of the way so you can see what you're clicking more easily.
 
2014-02-26 01:37:57 PM

SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.


Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?
 
2014-02-26 01:42:23 PM
Isn't this about the time when everybody starts wharrgarrbling about how Apple stole the idea from Xerox PARC?
 
2014-02-26 01:51:08 PM

Fano: SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.

Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?


I believe so. Now I think it's toolbars.

But lets not lock down certain user's, they may biatch to their boss.
 
2014-02-26 01:58:02 PM
fark Steve Jobs. Dennis Ritchie did more for this planet than that waste of carbon Jobs could even dream about. I don't have anything to add really, just sick of seeing Jobs name on shiat like selling overpriced pieces of plastic is something to aspire to.
 
2014-02-26 01:59:55 PM
What about angled dicks?
 
2014-02-26 02:08:17 PM

Best Princess Celestia: pacified: STEVE JOBS INVENTED GUIS

If that were true the pointer would be a round dot.


Oh please. It would be a rectangle with rounded corners.
 
2014-02-26 02:25:35 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Fano: SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.

Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?

I believe so. Now I think it's toolbars.

But lets not lock down certain user's, they may biatch to their boss.


this is what i feel like when i see my boss' browser

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-26 03:08:30 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-26 03:10:28 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Calmamity: Lifestyle choice?

It's not a choice any more than being straight is a choice


It's not a choice, it's part of their binary.
 
2014-02-26 03:24:12 PM

pute kisses like a man: Unoriginal_Username: Fano: SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.

Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?

I believe so. Now I think it's toolbars.

But lets not lock down certain user's, they may biatch to their boss.

this is what i feel like when i see my boss' browser

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-26 03:26:34 PM
Subby, you just triggered some dude's OCD.
 
2014-02-26 03:51:12 PM

pute kisses like a man: Unoriginal_Username: Fano: SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.

Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?

I believe so. Now I think it's toolbars.

But lets not lock down certain user's, they may biatch to their boss.

this is what i feel like when i see my boss' browser

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]


mother of god........
 
2014-02-26 04:04:54 PM

aerojockey: phalamir: It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.

Let me try.  The slanted mouse pointer is an advantage because it's useful to be able to see whatever is directly left, right, above, or below the pointer, but less useful to be able to see what is diagonal from the pointer.  By slanting the pointer instead of making it vertical, less of what is below the pointer is obstructed.  So it does provide an advantage today.


With the better resolution, more colors, and use of opacity/transparency in today's GUIs, there are eleventy billion ways to make a non-diagonal cursor that would work beautifully.  But there is no need, so we don't even try.  And if no one had slanted it back in ye olde stone age, we would probably have investigated most of them because it was advantageous - or never have cared because we would have just adjusted how we read computer screens to compensate.  Saying "it would make reading harder" is ignoring that you developed your method of reading a screen based upon a diagonally-oriented cursor - if it had been vertically or horizontally-oriented, we would have all learned to display and read a screen in such a way to minimize the cursor's obfuscation.

As pointed out above, the keyboard layout was to solve a technological program from a century ago.   That problem hasn't existed since the Selectric came out.  It definitely has no bearing today.  The most logical way to arrange the keys is in alphabetical order, because the actual layout is meaningless technologically and why not use the order every other system or sorting the letters uses..  And it will never happen, because everyone is taught to type in school for qwerty, and the overwhelming majority of keyboards all use it.  The sheer amount of rage-hate you would engender by switching all keyboards to alphabetical could be heard clearly on Neptune.

Hell, my cellphone's symbol for saving a file is a freaking 3.5 floppy disk.  I haven't had a 3.5 drive on my desktop for most of decade, and I haven't had a disk to put in the one I did have for going on 15 years.  And no smartphone has even ever been big enough to put a 3.5 in!  But that symbol persists well past it having any practical meaning.  And we will not even get into why the hell the call button is a motherfarking rotary phone...
 
2014-02-26 04:34:12 PM

SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Cursor

Just realised that Realplayer came bundled with Comet Cursor.
 
2014-02-26 04:49:11 PM
Because most things work related are aligned to the x/y axis so it being on a 45 makes it both easier to see and less intrusive?
 
2014-02-26 04:52:44 PM

Ishkur: phalamir: It actually brings up an interesting point about evolution.  Species don't invent features from whole cloth, but build on past developments.  And something made for some perfectly valid reason 20 iterations ago is still kept because while it provides no advantage now, it also provides no disadvantage.

Same thing with the qwerty keyboard. It's actually not a very efficient layout, but everyone has become so accustomed to them it's hard to break in anything else (and others do exist: Dvorak, etc).


QWERTY is efficient for me.


Left handed for the win.
 
2014-02-26 05:34:43 PM

Fano: SomeoneDumb: fustanella: The early 1990s was my lucky day, then. There was an article in a major magazine of the time about that.

It was a bad time for me. The place I worked went from dumb terminals to PCs around then and within a month nearly all the users had downloaded cute cursors that screwed everything up.

Wasn't "downloading custom mouse cursors" the source of 98% of malware in the 90s?


It was where I worked, yeah.

/"But it's so cute!"
 
2014-02-26 05:52:55 PM
When I was a kid, we had an Amiga, and one of the things it allowed you to do is to make your own mouse pointer, pixel by pixel.  I turned it into a crosshair with the click point in the center, because I could never tell if I had the tip of the arrow exactly where I wanted.  It worked fine and you could see it fine.

/csb
 
2014-02-26 07:36:28 PM
Seriously, we're writing articles based on stack exchange questions now?

http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/52336/why-is-the-mouse-cursor-s l ightly-tilted-and-not-straight
 
2014-02-26 07:49:13 PM

phalamir: Saying "it would make reading harder" is ignoring that you developed your method of reading a screen based upon a diagonally-oriented cursor - if it had been vertically or horizontally-oriented, we would have all learned to display and read a screen in such a way to minimize the cursor's obfuscation.


I didn't say it would make reading harder.  I said when you are interacting with the screen, what is directly beneath the point you are clicking is probably more important than what's diagonal to it, so there is probably a slight (very slight) reduction in level of effort to minimize screen access.  And, no, colors and opacity won't help that.  Or they will, at the expense of actually the cursor.

Also, QWERTY does make more logical sense than alphabetical layout because it was designed to space out commonly adjacent letters to different fingers.  Back in the day it was to avoid jamming, but even in the post-jamming era it helps by minimizing the number of adjacent letters typed by the same finger.  (OTOH, the only advantage to an alphabetical keyboard is you can hunt and peck keys faster during the relatively brief period before your fingers learn where the letters are, after which point it might be detrimental because the keys are less optimally spaced.)

You seem to have a hardon for things being the way they are due to inertia, and I'm sure it's true sometimes, but I have a hard time believing that very many things that are so universal as slanted mouse cursors and QWERTY keyboards got that way entirely by accident.
 
2014-02-26 09:20:43 PM

abhorrent1: What about angled dicks?


Proportional to the heat of the meat.
 
2014-02-27 03:04:06 AM

aerojockey: phalamir: Saying "it would make reading harder" is ignoring that you developed your method of reading a screen based upon a diagonally-oriented cursor - if it had been vertically or horizontally-oriented, we would have all learned to display and read a screen in such a way to minimize the cursor's obfuscation.

I didn't say it would make reading harder.  I said when you are interacting with the screen, what is directly beneath the point you are clicking is probably more important than what's diagonal to it, so there is probably a slight (very slight) reduction in level of effort to minimize screen access.  And, no, colors and opacity won't help that.  Or they will, at the expense of actually the cursor.

Also, QWERTY does make more logical sense than alphabetical layout because it was designed to space out commonly adjacent letters to different fingers.  Back in the day it was to avoid jamming, but even in the post-jamming era it helps by minimizing the number of adjacent letters typed by the same finger.  (OTOH, the only advantage to an alphabetical keyboard is you can hunt and peck keys faster during the relatively brief period before your fingers learn where the letters are, after which point it might be detrimental because the keys are less optimally spaced.)

You seem to have a hardon for things being the way they are due to inertia, and I'm sure it's true sometimes, but I have a hard time believing that very many things that are so universal as slanted mouse cursors and QWERTY keyboards got that way entirely by accident.


I never said they got that way by accident.  But how they got that way is often because one solution to a problem gained prominence.  Sometimes it was the best solution at that moment in time, sometimes it was just the one of many reasonably equal solutions that happened to win out.  But once they dominate, they tend to outlive any practical advantage and/or serve to railroad future developments along certain paths.  Very rarely does someone come along and create a new underlying feature not connected to the previous way of doing things.
 
2014-02-27 08:32:47 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

// Me and my arrow.
 
2014-02-27 05:15:02 PM
I swear back in the Windows 3.1 or 95 days, there was the option of flipping it around (straight side on the right). Not available in Win 7.

/turned on pointer trails to annoy the fiancee
 
2014-02-27 05:17:18 PM

Dwight_Yeast: When I was a kid, we had an Amiga, and one of the things it allowed you to do is to make your own mouse pointer, pixel by pixel.  I turned it into a crosshair with the click point in the center, because I could never tell if I had the tip of the arrow exactly where I wanted.  It worked fine and you could see it fine.

/csb


I did the exact same thing. Great minds and all that...
 
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