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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-26 08:46:55 AM
I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.
 
2014-02-26 09:07:46 AM
www.worldpropertychannel.com

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.
 
2014-02-26 09:30:09 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.worldpropertychannel.com image 850x656]

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.


This.
Having sat through more of those monsters than I care to recall, I'll say there's alot of wind in those things.
Most of it isn't anywhere near the surface.

/It'll be like so many ants trying to stop an avalanche.
 
2014-02-26 09:36:55 AM

way south: Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.worldpropertychannel.com image 850x656]

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.

This.
Having sat through more of those monsters than I care to recall, I'll say there's alot of wind in those things.
Most of it isn't anywhere near the surface.

/It'll be like so many ants trying to stop an avalanche.


Sure, but the surface winds cause a fair bit of evaporation which drives the heat engine once it rises and then condenses again. The numbers are super complex and I don't really have the training to crunch them, but I'm guessing the article is talking about that(ie disrupting the hurricane's ability to extract heat from the ocean) rather than just extracting energy from the hurricane itself.
 
2014-02-26 09:40:18 AM
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2014-02-26 09:43:00 AM
The turbines would be destroyed by the hurricane way before the hurricane was destroyed by the turbines.
 
2014-02-26 09:43:23 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: 78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.


Well, aside from the already mentioned evaporation engine, in an actual wind storm (tornado, hurricane) windmills get locked. Too much wind actually over generates, causing the generators to blow, or causing issues with the power grid.

And rigid structure + high wind = let's repair stuff.
 
2014-02-26 09:46:28 AM
They should just make a giant bag and then whenever a hurricane comes, trap it inside.
 
2014-02-26 09:47:16 AM

ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.


Found a problem with your assessment. If it isn't for us, who will take all the old people? We are God's waiting Room for a reason you know.
 
2014-02-26 09:52:04 AM

threadjackistan: way south: Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.worldpropertychannel.com image 850x656]

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.

This.
Having sat through more of those monsters than I care to recall, I'll say there's alot of wind in those things.
Most of it isn't anywhere near the surface.

/It'll be like so many ants trying to stop an avalanche.

Sure, but the surface winds cause a fair bit of evaporation which drives the heat engine once it rises and then condenses again. The numbers are super complex and I don't really have the training to crunch them, but I'm guessing the article is talking about that(ie disrupting the hurricane's ability to extract heat from the ocean) rather than just extracting energy from the hurricane itself.


The heats coming from the deep sea tho (~100 meters down). You can see it from satellites and its practically a yellow brick road of where storms will track.    Inside the storm itself feels very cold, as upper level air is rushing in to fill the void of rising heat.
We're caught in the middle bit of friction where even whole islands only have a moderate effect.


You're going to need alot of turbines.
 
2014-02-26 10:04:52 AM
And this is why (welll another reason) we believe the Church of Global Warming's computer model bullshiat is... well.. bullshiat.

If you think a few pinwheels are going to stop or even put a dent in a serious hurricane, you are an idiot.

Also a computer model
4.bp.blogspot.com
... and just as real.
 
2014-02-26 10:05:22 AM
78000 just to protect lousiana ... on the one path?

okay.. so.. to protect the entire coast...( cause hey! hurricanes dont follow just one path)   what are we talking.  78 billion wind turbines?

so.. say it would cost only $1million per turbine because of economies of scale.

$78 trillion sound about right?
 
2014-02-26 10:08:19 AM
Of course there's no chance whatsoever that there may be unknown or bad side effects of manually altering a natural wind pattern.  I can see no possible way that the elimination of a hurricane can effect other weather patterns adversely.
 
2014-02-26 10:11:29 AM

yves0010: ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.

Found a problem with your assessment. If it isn't for us, who will take all the old people? We are God's waiting Room for a reason you know.



Just build bigger casinos and bingo halls.
 
2014-02-26 10:14:22 AM

Massa Damnata: yves0010: ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.

Found a problem with your assessment. If it isn't for us, who will take all the old people? We are God's waiting Room for a reason you know.


Just build bigger casinos and bingo halls.


We got one near my home. The Hard Rock hotel and casino. That helps with the old people from sunrise to sunset. But then the roads become dangerous...
 
2014-02-26 10:17:41 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Of course there's no chance whatsoever that there may be unknown or bad side effects of manually altering a natural wind pattern.  I can see no possible way that the elimination of a hurricane can effect other weather patterns adversely.


Haven't you learned anything? There are never any consequences. Never.
 
2014-02-26 10:28:13 AM

OnlyM3: And this is why (welll another reason) we believe the Church of Global Warming's computer model bullshiat is... well.. bullshiat.

If you think a few pinwheels are going to stop or even put a dent in a serious hurricane, you are an idiot.

Also a computer model
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 200x134]
... and just as real.


4/10.  You would have gotten 7/10 if you left out the bird model.  That made it a bit obvious.
 
2014-02-26 10:54:58 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
quotefail.com
 
2014-02-26 10:56:46 AM

yves0010: ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.

Found a problem with your assessment. If it isn't for us, who will take all the old people? We are God's waiting Room for a reason you know.


Why wait when you don't have to?
 
2014-02-26 11:07:08 AM

Mytch: yves0010: ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.

Found a problem with your assessment. If it isn't for us, who will take all the old people? We are God's waiting Room for a reason you know.

Why wait when you don't have to?


The current ones will be gone true... but then a new generation of old people will come along and then what? What state must be sacrificed next?
 
2014-02-26 11:09:22 AM

DarwiOdrade: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 496x334]
[quotefail.com image 600x450]


Democracy only works when you strangle the morons at birth, you know.
 
2014-02-26 11:15:01 AM
Joe Barton: "Heh, y'all ain't laughing at me now, are you? Guess what I said about them wind toor-bines a slowin' down the wind ain't seemin' so stupid now, huh?" The congressman then accidentally stabbed himself in the eye with his fork and was unable to continue the interview.
 
2014-02-26 11:50:28 AM

way south: threadjackistan: way south: Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.worldpropertychannel.com image 850x656]

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.

This.
Having sat through more of those monsters than I care to recall, I'll say there's alot of wind in those things.
Most of it isn't anywhere near the surface.

/It'll be like so many ants trying to stop an avalanche.

Sure, but the surface winds cause a fair bit of evaporation which drives the heat engine once it rises and then condenses again. The numbers are super complex and I don't really have the training to crunch them, but I'm guessing the article is talking about that(ie disrupting the hurricane's ability to extract heat from the ocean) rather than just extracting energy from the hurricane itself.

The heats coming from the deep sea tho (~100 meters down). You can see it from satellites and its practically a yellow brick road of where storms will track.    Inside the storm itself feels very cold, as upper level air is rushing in to fill the void of rising heat.
We're caught in the middle bit of friction where even whole islands only have a moderate effect.

You're going to need alot of turbines.


Not sure if I agree with you on the deep ocean part, but I do concur that it would take a rather prodigious supply of wind turbines to make a noticeable effect on the storms.
 
2014-02-26 11:56:57 AM

ZAZ: I'm tired of Florida. Let's run those turbines in reverse and see what we can do about it.


i139.photobucket.com
                WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.
 
2014-02-26 12:22:08 PM
 
2014-02-26 01:01:17 PM

threadjackistan: way south: Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.worldpropertychannel.com image 850x656]

78,000 turbines is a lot, but I still have my doubts that it would put much a a dent in this.

This.
Having sat through more of those monsters than I care to recall, I'll say there's alot of wind in those things.
Most of it isn't anywhere near the surface.

/It'll be like so many ants trying to stop an avalanche.

Sure, but the surface winds cause a fair bit of evaporation which drives the heat engine once it rises and then condenses again. The numbers are super complex and I don't really have the training to crunch them, but I'm guessing the article is talking about that(ie disrupting the hurricane's ability to extract heat from the ocean) rather than just extracting energy from the hurricane itself.


So defeating hurricanes by hindering them from becoming hurricanes.
 
2014-02-26 01:04:36 PM
I'm firmly in the camp that trying to eliminate hurricanes is a catastrophically bad idea.

Hurricanes do more than blow up the southeast US each season.  They are a result of global weather and climate patterns that helps distribute warm/cold air and spreads minerals and natural resources around the planet.

Bad idea.  Besides, who doesn't like Florida getting blown up regularly.
 
2014-02-26 02:13:21 PM

Mi-5: Besides, who doesn't like Florida getting blown up regularly.


Taxpayers?.
 
2014-02-26 02:31:22 PM
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RIP Hurricane
 
2014-02-26 02:50:30 PM
Warning: Math.

"When the scientists modeled Hurricane Katrina, they found that 78,000 wind turbines -- a little more than 300 gigawatts of installed power -- stationed within 60 miles of the Louisiana shore would have significantly slowed the winds and also decreased the storm surge up to 79 percent."

When Katrina hit Louisiana, it had a diameter of 240 miles.  78,000 / 240 = 325 turbines per mile.
Extending out 60 miles. 325 / 60 = 5.41 turbines per mile of coastline.


That's about one wind turbine every two or three city blocks, along 240 miles of coastline and three times beyond the horizon.
The 300 gigawatts of electrical generating capacity is 76 times that of the US' largest nuclear reactor. (I'm not going to estimate what the power lines would have to look like along the coast, nor what a hurricane would do to those)
 
2014-02-26 03:35:30 PM
A few strategically placed wind farms off the coast of Africa and South America might just lessen the strength of the current tropical storms by mitigating their strength as they form.  But when that one storm starts somewhere else those farms are toast.  I think that once you do put up farms in the current hot spots you will limit the mixing of the environment that hurricanes do produce and cause stagnation in other areas.  The storm that arises from that stagnation would be Epic.
 
2014-02-26 05:27:13 PM

WelldeadLink: Warning: Math.

"When the scientists modeled Hurricane Katrina, they found that 78,000 wind turbines -- a little more than 300 gigawatts of installed power -- stationed within 60 miles of the Louisiana shore would have significantly slowed the winds and also decreased the storm surge up to 79 percent."

When Katrina hit Louisiana, it had a diameter of 240 miles.  78,000 / 240 = 325 turbines per mile.
Extending out 60 miles. 325 / 60 = 5.41 turbines per mile of coastline.

That's about one wind turbine every two or three city blocks, along 240 miles of coastline and three times beyond the horizon.
The 300 gigawatts of electrical generating capacity is 76 times that of the US' largest nuclear reactor. (I'm not going to estimate what the power lines would have to look like along the coast, nor what a hurricane would do to those)


Take all the water bottles chucked away in the U.S in one year.

From these, make a really, really big balloon. Perhaps two balloons

Put down a Louisiana salt cavern.

Use the wind to make electricity to crack oxygen from hydrogen from seawater.

Pipe respective gases to each really big balloon.

Burn as required to make steam to power turbine generators all over the South.
 
2014-02-26 07:25:17 PM

WelldeadLink: That's about one wind turbine every two or three city blocks, along 240 miles of coastline and three times beyond the horizon.The 300 gigawatts of electrical generating capacity is 76 times that of the US' largest nuclear reactor. (I'm not going to estimate what the power lines would have to look like along the coast, nor what a hurricane would do to those)


Current US wind generation capacity is 61 gigawatts. In 2003, this number was a 6 GW. Being able to expand by an order of magnitude over a decade is pretty impressive. Unfortunately US energy policy takes a year-by-year piecemeal approach, so growth goes in fits and starts and is by no means steady.

300 GW of offshore wind seems fairly feasible in the long term. Current US coal capacity is 310 GW and falling.
 
2014-02-26 08:02:00 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Of course there's no chance whatsoever that there may be unknown or bad side effects of manually altering a natural wind pattern.  I can see no possible way that the elimination of a hurricane can effect other weather patterns adversely.


Hey, if it destroys people's houses, it can only be bad.
Like wildfires and flooding along the Mississippi.
We need to control the weather to keep people safe. Let's get the government involved in that, they know what they're doing.
 
2014-02-26 11:53:59 PM
The stupid. It burns. Hurricanes are so massive, so intense, the would destroy these so called speed bumps like they were not even there. WTF people.
 
2014-02-27 05:11:26 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Of course there's no chance whatsoever that there may be unknown or bad side effects of manually altering a natural wind pattern.  I can see no possible way that the elimination of a hurricane can effect other weather patterns adversely.


Yup. Slowing down the wind-driven Gulf Stream can't possibly affect the British Isles.
 
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