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(Asbury Park Press)   China bans cookouts because of thick smog. Officials take action after barbecue restaurants start advertising steaks with a choice of leaded, unleaded or diesel   (app.com) divider line 59
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2014-02-26 09:51:29 AM
That's actually quite too bad, because that means it's the end of the line for quite a lot of street food vendors who already find it pretty difficult to make a living as it is.

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2014-02-26 10:15:43 AM
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2014-02-26 10:16:03 AM
I went to Beijing in the summer of 1999.. no smog at all.  They actually had an air show of some kind, or display of power.  Of course, there were a lot less cars back then.
 
2014-02-26 10:18:46 AM
I'll take my steak with a side of heating fuel au jus
 
2014-02-26 10:21:22 AM
I think they solved the problem.

Can we resume sending carbon credits now?
I mean, what are they gonna eat if we stop?
 
2014-02-26 10:22:02 AM
How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.
 
2014-02-26 10:25:15 AM
They want to hold the 2022 winter Olympics. The snow will be a nice grey/black color.
 
2014-02-26 10:26:24 AM

Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.


It has worked here for centuries.
 
2014-02-26 10:30:33 AM
glad to see China marching down its path to cultural and economic implosion
 
2014-02-26 10:36:13 AM
Smog or no smog, I know what's in those burgers.
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2014-02-26 10:37:22 AM
They banned Cook-Out? I hate communism!
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/c'mon lunch time!
 
2014-02-26 10:38:13 AM

MemeSlave: glad to see China marching down its path to cultural and economic implosion


I guess we just make it look too easy.
Every nation thinks it can just jump right on a wealth distribution of biblical calamity proportions.
 
2014-02-26 10:40:09 AM

Onkel Buck: They banned Cook-Out? I hate communism!
[i26.photobucket.com image 320x242]

/c'mon lunch time!


I love Cook-Out. Their hamburgers are mediocre but the hotdogs and milkshakes are fantastic.
 
2014-02-26 10:40:20 AM

snocone: Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.

It has worked here for centuries.

the last 30 years or so.

FTFY
 
Ant
2014-02-26 10:40:33 AM
Yes, ban cooking fires, which have been in use for thousands of years without causing people to have to chew the air before they inhale it. That'll fix the problem!
 
2014-02-26 10:42:46 AM

Anayalator: [i.imgur.com image 768x576]


I wonder how long it will be before the acidity of the fog/smog eats into their buildings.  I bet the engineers of the new buildings have to take that into consideration.

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That's some phallus.  Twists like a pig's, even.
 
2014-02-26 10:43:50 AM
Real solutions to problems are hard. In politics it's better to just make it look like you are doing something.
 
2014-02-26 10:44:07 AM

RexTalionis: That's actually quite too bad, because that means it's the end of the line for quite a lot of street food vendors who already find it pretty difficult to make a living as it is.

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I gotta say, even for a Chinese street vendor, that setup looks pretty sketchy.  Are they burning trash in there?
 
2014-02-26 10:44:13 AM
www.city-data.com

Kicks up that BBQ sauce
 
2014-02-26 10:49:07 AM

Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.


This is much. The problem is coal burning factories with no emissions controls, coal burning power plants, just farking burning coal all over the place like it's 1899. Except partying like it's 1899 with a 2014 population means everything turns to sooty, smoggy shiat even WORSE.

It is a nice reminder of why we have the clean air and clean water acts, though.
 
2014-02-26 10:53:08 AM

Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.


This is what unfetteted corpratism looks like.
 
2014-02-26 10:53:23 AM
Isn't it great that China was completely exempt from the Kyoto treaty and every other pollution controls that the greenies want to foist on the rest of the world?
 
2014-02-26 10:55:43 AM

dkimball: I went to Beijing in the summer of 1999.. no smog at all.  They actually had an air show of some kind, or display of power.  Of course, there were a lot less cars back then.


Here's my anecdotal evidence  - i also went to Beijing in the summer of '99 - i was blowing black snot out of my nose for a month afterward and had terrible skin rashes from the air.
 
2014-02-26 10:58:04 AM

Arkanaut: RexTalionis: That's actually quite too bad, because that means it's the end of the line for quite a lot of street food vendors who already find it pretty difficult to make a living as it is.

[i1212.photobucket.com image 600x800]

I gotta say, even for a Chinese street vendor, that setup looks pretty sketchy.  Are they burning trash in there?


No, charcoal. This is the standard setup for fire-roasted Muslim-style lamb skewers (the ones that smells like adobo and cumin).
 
2014-02-26 10:59:03 AM
All the mine fires don't help.

I expect it to get worse before it gets better, and to drive the cost of fossil fuels up in the rest of the world as a side effect. I don't expect a Chinese version of the EPA any time soon, either.
 
2014-02-26 11:00:37 AM

zepher: Isn't it great that China was completely exempt from the Kyoto treaty and every other pollution controls that the greenies want to foist on the rest of the world?


Because if they weren't, there would be a lot more countries that are in the same situation as China.
 
2014-02-26 11:06:25 AM

Rindred: Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.

This is what unfetteted corpratism  communism looks like.

 
2014-02-26 11:11:01 AM

zepher: Isn't it great that China was completely exempt from the Kyoto treaty and every other pollution controls that the greenies want to foist on the rest of the world?


Of course they are exempt.  It's capitalism that is the great evil poisoning the world, not the benevolent "communists".

Carbon credits will save us!
 
2014-02-26 11:11:20 AM
Looks like they will have an outbreak of black lung soon.
 
2014-02-26 11:14:06 AM
There will be no putting another dog on the barbie.
 
2014-02-26 11:26:47 AM
Kind of like banning smoking.

The whole second hand smoke issue pales in comparison to the toxic shiat industry pumps into the air daily in the tons. "Smoking is bad."

Everyone is so focused on the second hand smoke bs and we ignore the real issue. Too expense and the industry can manage itself.

Cognitive dissonance. China seems to be on board with that. Grills will destroy China's air quality. Wow.

We call mandatory health insurance "health care." Premiums go up and you are fined if you don't have it. "Good for the country!" wtf.
 
2014-02-26 11:33:18 AM

Mell of a Hess: Anayalator: [i.imgur.com image 768x576]

I wonder how long it will be before the acidity of the fog/smog eats into their buildings.  I bet the engineers of the new buildings have to don't take that into consideration.


Taking it into consideration would be admitting that there is a problem.  And admitting that there is a problem would be, well, admitting that there is a problem.  The day a single piece of intellectual honesty comes out of China will be the day Republicans start acting like compassionate human beings.
 
2014-02-26 11:37:20 AM
That's stupid.
That's a California level of stupid.
The city is blanketed by lethal smog!
Let's ban family cookouts!
Who is so stupid as to believe that COOKOUTS are the major contributors to the condition?
 
2014-02-26 11:38:30 AM
I was in Shanghai and Qingdao a few months back. Shanghai smelled of damp noodles and Qingdao smelled like an aluminum casting foundry. I can see why grilling up a couple of Lhasa Apso's would totally wreck the place.
 
2014-02-26 11:42:47 AM
Leave it to communists to Fark up a good BBQ.
 
2014-02-26 11:47:20 AM
This will save many a dog's life.
 
2014-02-26 11:54:50 AM

socoloco: Kind of like banning smoking.

The whole second hand smoke issue pales in comparison to the toxic shiat industry pumps into the air daily in the tons. "Smoking is bad."

Everyone is so focused on the second hand smoke bs and we ignore the real issue. Too expense and the industry can manage itself.

Cognitive dissonance. China seems to be on board with that. Grills will destroy China's air quality. Wow.

We call mandatory health insurance "health care." Premiums go up and you are fined if you don't have it. "Good for the country!" wtf.


You don't seem to understand concentration vs distance.
 
2014-02-26 11:54:50 AM
"I don't know why they call it Hamburger Helper, I think it does just fine by itself."

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2014-02-26 11:57:59 AM

Silly_Sot: That's stupid.
That's a California level of stupid.
The city is blanketed by lethal smog!
Let's ban family cookouts!
Who is so stupid as to believe that COOKOUTS are the major contributors to the condition?


California level of stupid?

California had similar unbreathable air in the 60s and 70s. Recess at school was cancelled. It hurt to breathe.

The California instituted the strictest air quality standards on the planet. The population has more than tripled and cats have quintupled and we haven't had a stage 3 smog alert in 30 years.

So go ahead and keep making fun of California you rube.
 
2014-02-26 12:03:33 PM

lohphat: Silly_Sot: That's stupid.
That's a California level of stupid.
The city is blanketed by lethal smog!
Let's ban family cookouts!
Who is so stupid as to believe that COOKOUTS are the major contributors to the condition?

California level of stupid?

California had similar unbreathable air in the 60s and 70s. Recess at school was cancelled. It hurt to breathe.

The California instituted the strictest air quality standards on the planet. The population has more than tripled and cats have quintupled and we haven't had a stage 3 smog alert in 30 years.

So go ahead and keep making fun of California you rube.


Oh snap.
 
2014-02-26 12:09:14 PM

jaybeezey: Rindred: Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.

This is what unfetteted corpratism  communism looks like.


Communism in name only. They're feudal lords with a red flag.
 
2014-02-26 12:12:55 PM

Bslim: lohphat: Silly_Sot: That's stupid.
That's a California level of stupid.
The city is blanketed by lethal smog!
Let's ban family cookouts!
Who is so stupid as to believe that COOKOUTS are the major contributors to the condition?

California level of stupid?

California had similar unbreathable air in the 60s and 70s. Recess at school was cancelled. It hurt to breathe.

The California instituted the strictest air quality standards on the planet. The population has more than tripled and cats have quintupled and we haven't had a stage 3 smog alert in 30 years.

So go ahead and keep making fun of California you rube.

Oh snap.


Cars have quintupled too.

/caturday thread?
 
2014-02-26 12:18:33 PM

zepher: Isn't it great that China was completely exempt from the Kyoto treaty and every other pollution controls that the greenies want to foist on the rest of the world?


Those greenies! The solution, of course, it to abolish the EPA and see if we can catch up to the ChiComs in the pollution race. That'll show the Free World who's Top Dog!
 
2014-02-26 12:22:29 PM

socoloco: Cognitive dissonance. China seems to be on board with that. Grills will destroy China's air quality. Wow.


So... here's a thought experiment for you. You have one power plant burning 100 tons of coal a day. You have 20,000 street vendors burning ten pounds of wood a day. Which is worse for particulate emissions?
 
2014-02-26 12:43:26 PM

Anayalator


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Nice try, but that's actually Shanghai. The television tower is (mostly) visible behind the second letter of the second line.
 
2014-02-26 12:44:58 PM

theorellior: socoloco: Cognitive dissonance. China seems to be on board with that. Grills will destroy China's air quality. Wow.

So... here's a thought experiment for you. You have one power plant burning 100 tons of coal a day. You have 20,000 street vendors burning ten pounds of wood a day. Which is worse for particulate emissions?


Are you actually trying to imply that residential/street vendor use of coal is somehow comparable to power/heat plants (not to mention the many other industries creating particulate emissions)?

Or are you just saying the very obvious point that the same amount of coal creates the same amount of particulate?
 
2014-02-26 12:52:57 PM

IRQ12: Or are you just saying the very obvious point that the same amount of coal creates the same amount of particulate?


I'm saying that a myriad of small non-point sources can have the same effect as one large point source of pollution. You want to solve the problem, you have to tackle all sources.

One cooking fire is no big deal. A million cooking fires are a very large deal. And this is China, a million cooking fires is probably an understatement.
 
2014-02-26 12:54:28 PM

IRQ12: Or are you just saying the very obvious point that the same amount of coal creates the same amount of particulate?


Also, wood creates more soot emissions than coal, so the actual particulate load is higher with the cooking fires.
 
2014-02-26 01:20:48 PM

Rindred: jaybeezey: Rindred: Headso: How cute they are getting to be like America where bullshiat laws that target the poor are made    to make it appear like the politicians are doing something about the problem.

This is what unfetteted corpratism  communism looks like.

Communism in name only.



This.  China could teach the US a few things about corpratism.
 
2014-02-26 01:25:41 PM

chuggernaught: China could teach the US a few things about corpratism.


Rike how to sperr it?
 
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