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(Oregon Live)   Portland hipsters proclaim hard cider OVER, are now into mead. "I think a lot of people are looking for something more interesting," says beekeeping supply store manager   (oregonlive.com) divider line 226
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2014-02-25 11:58:47 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Reverend J: [www.runewebvitki.com image 850x378] All approve

12 out of 13 warriors agree.


www.zuguide.com

Lo, there do I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.

They bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla where the brave may drink mead forever.
 
2014-02-26 12:02:00 AM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Grog, biatches, grog


Found the Limey.

/I've spent all me tin with the lassies drinking gin
 
2014-02-26 12:04:56 AM  

Damnhippyfreak: Nice. We're almost ready to bottle a batch made from fireweed honey done with some pear and white oak. We're letting it get pretty dry this time, about 1.008.


I always thought cranberry blossom honey would make pretty interesting mead. Here in WI we have a ton people making cranberry wine and lots of people selling the cranberry blossom honey. You would think it would be a natural progression.
 
2014-02-26 12:05:31 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: We have an entire bar in SE Portland that is nothing but hard cider. They make their own and have a decent tap selection. Best bottle selection I've veg seen anywhere though. Bushwhacker - if you're in Portland and want amazing cider, it's a must. I wasn't big into cider until I moved to the PNW. Too sweet corporate mass produced shiat wasn't for me. Our cider up here though is epic, high gravity, dry, scrumpy, and eveyprythung in between. Hell we have dry hopped ciders that are epic. Two Towns Cidery out of Salem OR is well worth checking out if you're up here. The Bad Apple at 11% is no joke and is delicious and the Brightcider is on draft at many places in town.

I always thought cider was a girls drink, turns out it's amazing and perfect for crippling alcoholics like me.

/ask me your cider questions, it's my favorite shiat.


Are you referring to Bushwacker for the cider?

I like that place.
 
2014-02-26 12:13:47 AM  
Mead is gross.

I enjoy the novelty as much as the next guy, but there's just no getting around the fact that mead is gross.
 
2014-02-26 12:15:31 AM  

Big 900: Damnhippyfreak: Nice. We're almost ready to bottle a batch made from fireweed honey done with some pear and white oak. We're letting it get pretty dry this time, about 1.008.

I always thought cranberry blossom honey would make pretty interesting mead. Here in WI we have a ton people making cranberry wine and lots of people selling the cranberry blossom honey. You would think it would be a natural progression.



That does sound interesting. So much to try out, so little cellar space. We would make more of the stuff, but at least to me, mead isn't something you can drink a lot of, especially if it's on the sweet side.

Once the swarm of hipsters move on, hopefully more people will get into mead.
 
2014-02-26 12:15:41 AM  
Note to self: read an entire post before replying.
 
2014-02-26 12:16:13 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: My great great great great great great great grandfather Aethelstan was into mead before the time before it was cool.

And he had a wicked beard too. Ironically. As in he used a cold forged iron blade to trim it.


My ancestor Adam was drinking mead he made with honey from a hive in this harden he lived in.
 
2014-02-26 12:19:39 AM  

davidphogan: Note to self: read an entire post before replying.


Bushwhacker is the shiat- when I lived next to PSU it was a short ride over the Powell bridge. Terrifying when riding home hammered with a bag full'o'booze but damn I love that spot. Got a buddy that lives in Brooklyn now so I just crash on his couch after gettin wrecked there now. Cheers mate! Probably my favorite bar in PDX.

Moved to the Pearl this year. Can still streetcar the CL over that way kinda but it's not the same.
 
2014-02-26 12:19:42 AM  
Y'all keep that up. In the meantime, I'll stick to beer, bourbon, rum, and gin, and be happy. Maybe some sake when I'm feeling all gigi and make sushi at home. You stick to the classics, and let the hipsters spend their money on trends and frippery, and keep the good stuff for your own damn self.
 
2014-02-26 12:24:49 AM  

ransack.: DELICIOUS


Meh. Oliver is decent (I wouldn't hesitate to drink a free glass), and it's really nice how readily available it is (several grocery stores in town carry it), but it's not all that spectacular as mead goes.
 
2014-02-26 12:32:31 AM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Grog, biatches, grog


Aye
 
2014-02-26 12:38:17 AM  
I recently made my own homebrew beer fermented with apple cider.  It was pretty good but tastes vastly different depending on the weeks it aged in carbonation.
 
2014-02-26 12:39:52 AM  
Keepin it Weird™.
 
2014-02-26 12:46:30 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Great, so we're going to have hipsters at Renaissance Fairs now?


This.  Gonna kinda suck, at least carnies and fairgoers are a  fun kind of oddball, since it's mostly about being inappropriately drunk in public and not giving a fark in general.  Snide people whose entire subculture is based on being a huge douchebag to everyone hanging around "ironically" is gonna be a pain in the arse.
 
2014-02-26 12:56:18 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: ol' gormsby: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: We have an entire bar in SE Portland that is nothing but hard cider. They make their own and have a decent tap selection. Best bottle selection I've veg seen anywhere though. Bushwhacker - if you're in Portland and want amazing cider, it's a must. I wasn't big into cider until I moved to the PNW. Too sweet corporate mass produced shiat wasn't for me. Our cider up here though is epic, high gravity, dry, scrumpy, and eveyprythung in between. Hell we have dry hopped ciders that are epic. Two Towns Cidery out of Salem OR is well worth checking out if you're up here. The Bad Apple at 11% is no joke and is delicious and the Brightcider is on draft at many places in town.

I always thought cider was a girls drink, turns out it's amazing and perfect for crippling alcoholics like me.

/ask me your cider questions, it's my favorite shiat.

You're lucky - I don't live in an apple-growing region so I have to make my cider from kits. NZ Black Rock is great - 750 grams dextrose, 250 grams dried corn syrup, and 2 cans of unfiltered pear juce makes a nice, dry cider that's perfect on a hot day. Takes a while after it's bottled to really shine, but it's worth the wait.

I fin dry ciders on hot days are the BEST! The little hippy chicken wing place by me has these amazing raspberry habanero wings and Crispin in a can. Summer days with that are hat to beat. I'm ready for summer, f this rain stuff (although it's supposed to be 55F and decent this week).

Cheers on your cider tho, sounds delicious!


Thanks, it is :-) I'll have to try the habanero chicken wings before summer goes away (I'm downunder in OZ). I was looking for something extra to help things along during winter - even at the right temperature, it seems cider yeast is a little sluggish in colder months. I remembered reading the ingredients list on "bread improver" once, and followed that up with a bit of googling. Turns out that vitamin C is a bit of a kickstarter for baking and brewing yeasts, so now I add the juice of a lemon to cider brews during winter. Seems to help, as they're not sluggish anymore.

/ Beer before dinner
// Wine during
/// Cider after, maybe with some runny cheese and crackers
//// no wonder I'm getting fat
// gave up smoking last year - that must be it
 
2014-02-26 12:57:46 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: duffblue: Ren fair crowds? Do you mean fat shut-ins?

I prefer to think of them as pleasantly plump girls, with big boobs, pushing out of corsets.

What fat SCA/Ren fair women may look like:


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Seriously though, I've been in the SCA since '97 and that's where I fell in love with mead. Almost everything I've had is home made by SCA members. It's usually a bit on the sweet side so it may not be for the types that prefer dry spirits, although like in everything there is a great deal of debate on what makes a good mead. I've tried a couple store bought meads but didn't care for then, as they were a bit dry.
 
2014-02-26 12:59:56 AM  

minoridiot: anuran: minoridiot: Lord Jubjub: Call me when I can find straight applejack at the local liquor store.  All I could ever find was cut 2:3 with neutral spirits.

Can't get Calvados in your area?

Calvados is a clear, unaged eau de vie. Applejack is a variously barrel-aged (ideally) pure-fruit brandy. The color, smell and taste are worlds apart.
(And freeze-distilled applejack is a great way to concentrate everything from popskull to fusel oils in your drink)

Calvados is required by French law to spend at least 2 years in wood, but 20 years is not uncommon.


You learn something new every day. What they sell here as "Calvados" isn't appellation controlle and is as white as vodka
 
2014-02-26 01:00:32 AM  
So let me get this straight, Hipsters™ are hippy offspring that pride themselves liking something before anyone else. Does that about cover it?
 
2014-02-26 01:10:32 AM  

Spare Me: So let me get this straight, Hipsters™ are hippy offspring that pride themselves liking something before anyone else. Does that about cover it?


More like "Anyone younger than me who doesn't wear a suit and likes things I don't like or never heard of"
 
Sio
2014-02-26 01:11:14 AM  
If you're after truly decent mead and don't want to take the time to make your own, allow me to drop in Meadery of the Rockies, they make some very lovely meads. They are part of the Talon Wine Brands out of the Western Slope of Colorado. The fruit wines out of St. Kathryn are stellar, and the Riesling from Talon I got a few months ago was one of the best I've had in recent memory. You can have it shipped to you in most places, that's what I do so I don't have to drive over the hills in the winter for it!

If you ever find yourself in Palisade Colorado, check out their actual location. If you've got all day, take the self-guided Fruit and Wine tour through the area. (you can google that on your own if you care)  Better yet, take one of the "tours" so you can sample all the various wines and such without worry. I was pleasantly surprised at how many good little operations there are, it's a beautiful area of the state.
 
2014-02-26 01:26:19 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Mead is nice but I prefer it blended with some sort of fruit wine. That's what I'd really like to see, you can't buy a decent fruit wine barely anywhere and I live in the land of hipsters.


I know it's the next country over and a ferry ride, but the next time you're on Vancouver island check out the Silverside Winery near Duncan.   Bonus is that there is a great cider place along with lots of wineries in the region.  The wine is cheaper on the farm when you buy it from the pretty farmer's daughters.
 
2014-02-26 01:34:52 AM  

anuran: Spare Me: So let me get this straight, Hipsters™ are hippy offspring that pride themselves liking something before anyone else. Does that about cover it?

More like "Anyone younger than me who doesn't wear a suit and likes things I don't like or never heard of"


Okay, I think I get it. All the things from the late 60'd to the late 80's were lame..somehow. I'm just trying to wrap my my around Hipsters™ mentality. Sounds like an age thing.
 
2014-02-26 01:35:56 AM  
Mead is made from honey, yeast and water.

Hell, add a few handfuls of bees to add some sting to it.
 
2014-02-26 01:37:33 AM  
Damn the man I get it. don't trust anyone over 30.
 
2014-02-26 01:44:59 AM  
Mead is a singularly unpleasant way to get drunk. I mean I used to drink pretty much anything, have drunk the best meads in the world, and mead just tastes like something rotted.
 
2014-02-26 01:52:59 AM  

GuySaults: Mead is so 2012.  My son's blackberry mead is known as "liquid panty remover" in Bowling Green.


It gives them the runs?
 
2014-02-26 02:17:39 AM  
Some mead is good. Other mead is garbage. There's a winery out of Salem by the name of Honeywood that makes a bunch of good meads and fruit wines. Tasty things. And they have been long before Hipsters have ever got their hands on them.
 
2014-02-26 02:43:09 AM  

hubiestubert: You stick to the classics


Well, mead has been around since at least 2,500BC or so.
 
2014-02-26 05:24:42 AM  
So I can start drinking cider again?

/I`m into stuff nobody else is into...
 
2014-02-26 05:25:41 AM  
Also if you want classic, that`s beer.
 
pc
2014-02-26 06:10:34 AM  
Sorry, but I'm not trendy. I stay with the classics

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2014-02-26 06:14:41 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Great, so we're going to have hipsters at Renaissance Fairs now?


This pisses me off to no end. However if they MUST, there is a honey shop at maryland renfest that sells mead kits. Run by a local woman, no less. Buy local and authentic, and all that.
 
2014-02-26 06:58:40 AM  

Big 900: Honestly I've never had the dark and dry, but I'm pretty faithful to the 500 ml cans of Strongbow. My wife became a huge fan of the stuff while she studied in Scotland, so it's pretty much a requirement in our beer fridge. Even more so since her favorite thing to do after, um, "relations" is to go grab a can for us to share.


It's been over ten years since they discontinued Colonial and you haven't tried their other products?  Dude!
 
2014-02-26 07:27:20 AM  
Mead is farking disgusting. They can have it.
 
2014-02-26 07:37:52 AM  
Pansy assed hipsters waiting for the honey to ferment and stuff. Us real men get it straight from the source. That's right I suckle bees.
 
das
2014-02-26 07:45:42 AM  
Mead sucks.
 
2014-02-26 08:25:47 AM  
Surely mead is, like wine or bread or juice or cereal, a rather broad term to have anyone who isn't specifically averse to, for example, alcohol or bees or sugar or the drinking of beverages, claiming it is absolutely anything other than an alcoholic beverage made from the sugary product of bees. Flavors, aromas, colors, viscosities, brix, alcohol levels, these are all wildly variable, especially if you allow inclusion of sub-types and blends under the umbrella term "mead." I only had limited experience with it before I stopped drinking, and even I with my barbaric palate found enough variance to like and dislike more than one meadery's product or find some version of it appropriate for particular gustatory circumstance.

Every so often I am made to renew my astonishment that so many who claim to have knowledge of a thing will determinedly stuff a vast topic into a half-vast statement. These verbal blivets can be as seemingly sensible when half-glimpsed in passing through the window of a fast-moving train of thought as "Drugs are bad" or "We shouldn't be eating chemicals" or "Recursion is the root of all language" but like the non-linguistic form of blivet, you don't want to slow down and get too close to them because they stink something fierce and are likely to pop messily if you poke them even a little. Better to just ignore and avoid them altogether.

No, I do it, too. But I'm an idiot with the occasional moment of thoughtfulness. I stumble over things I didn't notice all the time. Those with higher (e.g.: average) intelligence should strive to avoid such conceptual and conversational caltrops, especially when it's so easy to sidestep them with a little fine-tuning, such as "I haven't enjoyed any of the meads that I've tried" or "The meads I've tasted were either too sweet or too sour" or "My neighbor made the only mead I've ever had and it was like gasoline filtered through compost" or "Mead once made me wake up three days later, half-naked in a strange tent in a park in Goodyear, Arizona, surrounded with chicken bones and condom wrappers, covered in vomit and calamine lotion with a massive headache and a live, sleeping coyote curled up on my groin while a large group of septuagenarian motorcycle enthusiasts played loud mariachi music outside." The truth of such statements cannot be easily impeached, while hard, blanket statements of obvious logical fragility don't really do much more than make people doubt your qualifications for making them, which in turn loses you the interest and bonhomie of your reader as well as points in the debate. And that's a foolish waste of credibility, as I'm certain everyone here is some form of master debater. At least once in awhile, anyway.

So yeah, mead is an old beverage that has been quenching thirsts, cooling throats, warming bellies, preventing disease, easing discomfort, teasing appetites, inducing sleep, lubricating social and other forms of intercourse, teaching chemistry, passing through loopholes, staying the wrath of gods and monsters, in sufficient quantity giving rise to poetry and song and story and sometimes a recent meal, daunting the uninitiated, initiating the undaunted, finishing off a deal, finishing off consciousness, making the homely beautiful (and relatedly, providing the origin of the term "honeymoon"), and generally sweetening lives for thousands of years. Now that bees are becoming endangered and the climate is going wonky which will doubtlessly affect the availability of mead, it only makes sense that those who have sensed the possible opportunity for cache or simply cash will be shifting their, or rather the public's, attention to it.

Also, I used to like going to Ren Faires and SCA events. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'd do it again, too, but I'm not young or fit or wealthy or presentable or sociable or networked enough these days. I do miss my collection of commemorative tankards and goblets, though. Also attending the musical performances and buying the cassettes and CD's afterwards. And Ded Bob back when he was the original guy. And the shopping. And wearing the clothes. And the women wearing the clothes. And the women who didn't wear so much of the clothes. But not "Faire nose" afterwards. Or gritty, sweaty sunscreen residue everywhere and still getting sunburned.

/Feh. See what happens when I don't sleep?
//Funny how this subject comes up right after the new season of Vikings starts getting advertised.
/// :: Sigh! :: ...Whatever.
 
2014-02-26 08:33:57 AM  
We tried making mead back around '88-'89. My friend's grandmother, who lived with his family at the time, caught us. She laughed at our attempt and showed us how they did it back in prohibition times. Granny knew how to make a tasty, potent concoction. We spent the entire summer drunk on that stuff.

/CSB
 
2014-02-26 08:55:32 AM  
MY EMPIRE IS CRUMBLING! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2014-02-26 08:56:10 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Big 900: Honestly I've never had the dark and dry, but I'm pretty faithful to the 500 ml cans of Strongbow. My wife became a huge fan of the stuff while she studied in Scotland, so it's pretty much a requirement in our beer fridge. Even more so since her favorite thing to do after, um, "relations" is to go grab a can for us to share.

It's been over ten years since they discontinued Colonial and you haven't tried their other products?  Dude!


In my defense, I had tried every other they made and thought it was garbage. And as I said, about that same time I discovered the greatness that is Strongbow. I saw no reason to bother with an inferior product. To be honest I have never seen the dark and dry, and I spend an inordinate amount of time wandering the local purveyors of the drink. If I do I'll give it a shot I suppose.

/ More of a beer and whiskey drinker anyway
 
2014-02-26 09:26:18 AM  
One of my favorites, but nearly impossible to get locally:
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Normally, I stick with the only one I can find on a regular basis locally:
www.aromanticsperspective.com
 
2014-02-26 09:41:46 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Mr. Eugenides: Reverend J: [www.runewebvitki.com image 850x378] All approve

12 out of 13 warriors agree.

[www.zuguide.com image 570x359]

Lo, there do I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.

They bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla where the brave may drink mead forever.


Actually all 13 Agree...."I may not drink of the fermentation of the grape"
"(laughing) this is Honey"
*grab* *guzzle*
 
2014-02-26 09:49:55 AM  
Meh.  REAL hipsters are busy drinking their own fermented urine.

\the taste, I've been told, is very similar to PBR (as long as you don't eat asparagus)
 
2014-02-26 09:54:09 AM  

Big 900: In my defense, I had tried every other they made and thought it was garbage. And as I said, about that same time I discovered the greatness that is Strongbow. I saw no reason to bother with an inferior product. To be honest I have never seen the dark and dry, and I spend an inordinate amount of time wandering the local purveyors of the drink. If I do I'll give it a shot I suppose.

/ More of a beer and whiskey drinker anyway


Tried but never been a fan of their other stuff.  But this is my regular hard cider drink in the post-Colonial era:
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2014-02-26 09:58:43 AM  

zimbomba63: deeyablo: Oldiron_79: Call me when hops bomb IPAs die out and are old news.

I agree. It's freakin silly. Pointless. A waste.

Show us the pictures where you have been forced to drink them at gun point.  Put'em up or shut up.

/ I'm not a big fan of lagers, but, I don't piss and moan every time I see one.
// Don't buy them and your problem is solved


Stop liking what I don't like!

Actually, I agree.  I hate hoppy beers, but do not get offended when I see a lot of IPA's on the beer menu.  I just order something else.  Problem solved.
 
2014-02-26 10:14:12 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Crispin in the green can is an English dry, I prefer that with hot buffalo wings.


Crispin Browns Lane is freaking delicious, and is what made me want to start making cider on my own.
 
2014-02-26 10:21:37 AM  

adder1: One of my favorites, but nearly impossible to get locally:
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Normally, I stick with the only one I can find on a regular basis locally:
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Disgusting swill.

/First batch of mean: 1992
//This year I break 200 career gallons
 
2014-02-26 11:12:41 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Gawdzila: hubiestubert: You stick to the classics

Well, mead has been around since at least 2,500BC or so.

longer than that... try before 4000bc


Indeed. No need for silly things like agriculture or pottery. Just some bees who made a hive in a hollow tree and some rain.
 
2014-02-26 11:15:21 AM  
Cider... haha that is cute.

I have a couple of friends that have been making mead since the 1970s. I don't know how our ancestors drank as much of that stuff as they did. It gives me the WORST hangover.

//but somehow I always go back for more.
 
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