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2014-02-25 08:03:25 PM  
media.salon.com
/buck up, sissy boys
 
2014-02-25 08:07:36 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill


Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here.
 
2014-02-25 08:08:54 PM  

LtDarkstar: The water was cold: All right, that's enough of this shiat!!!  Here's the forecast for my area:

  [www.mysuncoast.com image 620x100]


A high of 67 and a low of only 50?  WTF?!!

I just packed my electric blanket into the attic, and now I have to get it back down again!

Damn you Vortex!!!

Wow you're a whiny biatch..  If it got up to 50 in Wisconsin you'd see people running around in bathing suits. Get over your so-called "cold" weather and come visit Wisconsin to change your perspective a bit.


No thanks, I'll just stay here at the beach and watch the bikinis walk by.

Have a piece of cheese on me :)
 
2014-02-25 08:09:42 PM  
"I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse."

Pretty hard to change over to that kind of system if it's a 75yr old house with Radiators AND the oil furnace not only fires the Heat but also the Hot Water. You may as well Gut the whole house and start over!

Anyway not forgetting the couple of Blizzards a few years ago where we got Dumped on with a few Feet of snow here back east. 3 houses next to mine lost their back porch awnings that were collapsed when the Ice & snow came off the roofs, mine just got bashed. You could drive down streets and see whole blocks that lost their Rain Gutters! The Aluminum guys made out big in the Spring then. This has been even more of a Sucky winter than then with the Cold just sticking around below freezing for so long and the more frequent 4, 6, 9 inch snowfalls back to back. This has been one of if not the Worst winters here in the Balto/Wash. area I can recall for at least 20-30 some years.
 
2014-02-25 08:11:20 PM  
I'm tired of the cold but I'm more tired of talking about it. Can't we talk about religion or politics instead?
 
2014-02-25 08:15:57 PM  

Ikam: 22 days of below 0F/-18C days so far this year, with more to come this week (possibly breaking a 129 year old record for cold days), followed by another possible snowstorm.  Damnit.


I wish we only had 22 days. We hit 40 below zero days last week. We are set to break a record up here by Green Bay.

I, like you, am sick of being indoors with nothing to do but drink.
 
2014-02-25 08:20:01 PM  

spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.


I'm in Atlantic Canada. Only burn wood. Down to about a cord in the shed now. Only burned 3 cord.

Only need to keep the pipes from freezing :)
 
2014-02-25 08:21:02 PM  
fark the snow miser.
 
2014-02-25 08:21:04 PM  

jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here


I had someone come here and try to get us to convert to a pump.  It was one of those "seems to good to be true" thing.  We were going to convert from oil to gas but I am not sure I am going to have the scratch by this summer to be able to afford the new unit.  Mostly, the issue in my house is the inefficient duct work.  All but one of the second floor vents kicks out cool air.  I am not sure how to solve that problem because I know nothing about heating systems and ducts (besides scenes from Brazil).
 
2014-02-25 08:21:50 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Ikam: 22 days of below 0F/-18C days so far this year, with more to come this week (possibly breaking a 129 year old record for cold days), followed by another possible snowstorm.  Damnit.

I wish we only had 22 days. We hit 40 below zero days last week. We are set to break a record up here by Green Bay.

I, like you, am sick of being indoors with nothing to do but drink.


Yeah, you guys up north have had a really fun time this winter (moreso than usual ;) ).  Anyway, if we can all get through this without emerging in April 10+ pounds heavier and as raging alcoholics, then I suppose we'll be okay ... the jury is still out on that though.
 
2014-02-25 08:23:30 PM  
Man, even I'm getting tired of these polar vortex/global change threads. We need another excruciating hot summer/ drought to change it up some
 
2014-02-25 08:24:25 PM  

WippitGuud: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I'm in Atlantic Canada. Only burn wood. Down to about a cord in the shed now. Only burned 3 cord.

Only need to keep the pipes from freezing :)


My philosophy is like yours.  My wife has some kind of circulation issue and gets frostbite easily.  It pains me to pay for heat, especially the inefficient heat I described above.
 
2014-02-25 08:24:55 PM  
Deniers?

www.headbloom.com

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-02-25 08:34:21 PM  
Settle down. It's winter, and Chauncey Gardner says it's followed by spring. Then summer. Then fall.
 
2014-02-25 08:39:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: my lip balm addiction: antidisestablishmentarianism: My hard right neighbor was telling me that the polar vortex is causing the ice caps to grow. I can't find anything to disprove this claim but I didn't want to call BS on him. No snopes, no politifact. But I am damn sick of this stupid cold winter.

Just show that retard this map.[scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net image 472x540]

Because to many, that little circle is the world.

I live in Roanoke, VA and I have met people in their 50s who have quite literally never been more than an hour's drive from their home.


I'm 50, and have spent my life (most of it) withing 15 miles of where I am now. I've spent 50 years watching the weather in the same place, in other words. I have seen winters grow warmer. I never saw rain in February in Denver until 1990 or so. To deny what I have observed in my little slice of the world would be absurd.

The politico-scientific consensus, however, that Western nations must throttle their energy use while Beijing emits unlimited and ever increasing amounts of greenhouse gases (along with heavy metals, sulfuric acid and countless other toxins) and this will somehow stop the oceans from rising if you buy enough carbon credits is absurd. The US exported its manufacturing base to Asia, and with it our pollution. America cannot continue to consume as we do and still claim to be "green" in any capacity. The industrial pollution is still there - it's just killing yellow people now instead of us decent folk.

I've studied dissenting opinions. No serious person claims that there has not been measurable climate change in the last 50-60 years. Many serious people, however, disagree with the conclusion that man caused most of it, or enough to be the "tipping point" even.

I'm all for the minimalist lifestyle. It suits me very well. I believe a retail economy that makes 90% of its sales in December is insane and unsustainable. But if someone else wants to be Mr Big Consumer with the new crossover SUV and jet ski, who am I to stop him? I've always been pro choice.
 
2014-02-25 08:42:13 PM  

jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here.


well, of course not.. yer in Mass it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. why are you inserting yourself into a situation where your situation does not apply?

And it has been an UNUSUALLY cold winter in Virgina.. traditionally, winters here are not very harsh, you more need to worry about summer cooling than winter heating.  here in Virginia, we are at the very roof of the sub tropic zone. Average winter high temps are historically in the low fifties to low 60's last weekend Saturdays high was 72F

yer in Mass, where there are real winters and people don't panic when there is a 2 inches of wet snow forecast. wanna buy my old left over fuel oil? .
 
2014-02-25 08:42:35 PM  
Much more of this and I will be forced to eat my minstrels. Then what the hell am I supposed to do for fun?
 
2014-02-25 08:44:54 PM  

Teaser: Vortec Boogaloo?


No, just... no.

/it's #3 which is not a Boogaloo
//"Highlander 2: The Quickening" was technically #2 as well, but there are no good third movie names that might work in an arctic theme
///subby
 
2014-02-25 08:45:36 PM  
Perfect timing, I just got back from the keys...

/Should have knocked up one of the Marathon dive bar cougars just to stay a little bit longer.
 
2014-02-25 08:48:50 PM  

Gunny Highway: jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here

I had someone come here and try to get us to convert to a pump.  It was one of those "seems to good to be true" thing.  We were going to convert from oil to gas but I am not sure I am going to have the scratch by this summer to be able to afford the new unit.  Mostly, the issue in my house is the inefficient duct work.  All but one of the second floor vents kicks out cool air.  I am not sure how to solve that problem because I know nothing about heating systems and ducts (besides scenes from Brazil).


Sounds like you need to invest in a duct cleaning.
It should pay for itself fairly quickly.
 
2014-02-25 08:50:01 PM  

gas giant: Gunny Highway: jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here

I had someone come here and try to get us to convert to a pump.  It was one of those "seems to good to be true" thing.  We were going to convert from oil to gas but I am not sure I am going to have the scratch by this summer to be able to afford the new unit.  Mostly, the issue in my house is the inefficient duct work.  All but one of the second floor vents kicks out cool air.  I am not sure how to solve that problem because I know nothing about heating systems and ducts (besides scenes from Brazil).

Sounds like you need to invest in a duct cleaning.
It should pay for itself fairly quickly.


Thanks!  I will look into that.
 
2014-02-25 08:50:10 PM  

blacksho89: I'm all for the minimalist lifestyle. It suits me very well. I believe a retail economy that makes 90% of its sales in December is insane and unsustainable. But if someone else wants to be Mr Big Consumer with the new crossover SUV and jet ski, who am I to stop him? I've always been pro choice.


Not to mention that, if we really were worried about the increasing CO2 level, we could sequester half the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere in five years using 1920s technology and Henry Ford's rubber tree factory farms.

We won't do that, and would rather pretend the only possible solutions involve filling the sea with powdered iron and the air with sulfur dioxide... in short, trying to replicate the environment of Venus, presumably so the climatologists could use this geoengineering "solution" to create the ecological disaster they've been predicting, killing the planet so they can pat themselves on the back for predicting it.

/sort of like Anders "saving" the Chantry by blowing it up
//and telling the protagonist to gather the materials he needs to make the bomb, claiming it's actually for a magic ritual to save them
 
2014-02-25 08:50:35 PM  

my lip balm addiction: antidisestablishmentarianism: My hard right neighbor was telling me that the polar vortex is causing the ice caps to grow. I can't find anything to disprove this claim but I didn't want to call BS on him. No snopes, no politifact. But I am damn sick of this stupid cold winter.

Just show that retard this map.[scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net image 472x540]


This only proves that God loves 'murica!.
 
2014-02-25 08:59:05 PM  

Gunny Highway: gas giant: Gunny Highway: jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here

I had someone come here and try to get us to convert to a pump.  It was one of those "seems to good to be true" thing.  We were going to convert from oil to gas but I am not sure I am going to have the scratch by this summer to be able to afford the new unit.  Mostly, the issue in my house is the inefficient duct work.  All but one of the second floor vents kicks out cool air.  I am not sure how to solve that problem because I know nothing about heating systems and ducts (besides scenes from Brazil).

Sounds like you need to invest in a duct cleaning.
It should pay for itself fairly quickly.

Thanks!  I will look into that.


If you can find someone with a roto-brush you'll be in luck.
 
2014-02-25 09:01:46 PM  

Launch Code: It's 25 degrees here in central PA. With the global warming factor it feels like 15 degrees. The forecast is calling for an another inch of climate change by morning.


I have 5 feet of climate change stacked up on my lawn over the last 12 weeks.  Most we've seen in 20 years.
 
2014-02-25 09:05:11 PM  

blacksho89: ArcadianRefugee: my lip balm addiction: antidisestablishmentarianism: My hard right neighbor was telling me that the polar vortex is causing the ice caps to grow. I can't find anything to disprove this claim but I didn't want to call BS on him. No snopes, no politifact. But I am damn sick of this stupid cold winter.

Just show that retard this map.[scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net image 472x540]

Because to many, that little circle is the world.

I live in Roanoke, VA and I have met people in their 50s who have quite literally never been more than an hour's drive from their home.

I'm 50, and have spent my life (most of it) withing 15 miles of where I am now. I've spent 50 years watching the weather in the same place, in other words. I have seen winters grow warmer. I never saw rain in February in Denver until 1990 or so. To deny what I have observed in my little slice of the world would be absurd.


exactly. I ain't never seen no rain in ioway in january. no, not ever never ever.

I did this year though

it was weird, man
 
2014-02-25 09:06:50 PM  
Question.

Wouldn't it be more efficient to use an internal combustion engine to both heat a home and provide electricity?

Or do you get more heat out of the fuel by just burning it?
 
2014-02-25 09:11:39 PM  
-20/-30ish tonight w/ windchill.

I love that my car will start up immediately in the morning.
 
2014-02-25 09:15:48 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: my lip balm addiction: antidisestablishmentarianism: My hard right neighbor was telling me that the polar vortex is causing the ice caps to grow. I can't find anything to disprove this claim but I didn't want to call BS on him. No snopes, no politifact. But I am damn sick of this stupid cold winter.

Just show that retard this map.[scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net image 472x540]

Because to many, that little circle is the world.

I live in Roanoke, VA and I have met people in their 50s who have quite literally never been more than an hour's drive from their home.


As someone who has now been to 45 states and 16 countries besides the USA, I have never understood that mentality. I mean it's one thing if you are poor. But damn there is just so much to see out there!
 
2014-02-25 09:20:45 PM  

MrBeetle: my lip balm addiction: Old enough to know better: Meanwhile Seattle is sunny and 52.  Meh.

Exactly. I don't know how people live in 80% of the US, I really don't. Too cold, too hot, a tornado's coming, oh shiat there's a hurricane...fark ALL of that noise.

/and during July/August, you don't get a more beautiful city than Seattle

Until there is a superquake off the coast that floods the entire city...


Unless yer smart like me and live on top of the tallest hill in the city. I'MA HAVE ME SOME BEACHFRONT PROPERTY biatchES!!
 
2014-02-25 09:24:04 PM  

MrBeetle: my lip balm addiction: Old enough to know better: Meanwhile Seattle is sunny and 52.  Meh.

Exactly. I don't know how people live in 80% of the US, I really don't. Too cold, too hot, a tornado's coming, oh shiat there's a hurricane...fark ALL of that noise.

/and during July/August, you don't get a more beautiful city than Seattle

Until there is a superquake off the coast that floods the entire city...


Or that pytoclastic lahar zipping down from an exploding Mt. Rainier.
 
2014-02-25 09:28:00 PM  

felching pen: MrBeetle: my lip balm addiction: Old enough to know better: Meanwhile Seattle is sunny and 52.  Meh.

Exactly. I don't know how people live in 80% of the US, I really don't. Too cold, too hot, a tornado's coming, oh shiat there's a hurricane...fark ALL of that noise.

/and during July/August, you don't get a more beautiful city than Seattle

Until there is a superquake off the coast that floods the entire city...

Or that pytoclastic lahar zipping down from an exploding Mt. Rainier.


=pyroclastic
 
2014-02-25 09:30:49 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill


I bought a heat pump with propane backup this year.  If you buy an appropriate sized propane tank and stock up in spring it's not a bad plan.  We didn't do that due to lousy timing on buying the new heat pump when it was already late fall so we just rented a tank while we shopped for a 1000 gallon tank.  Holy shiat what a horrible idea. Heat pumps are good at maintaining temps if outside is above 30, below 30 it turns into a regular propane furnace (or electric strip if your really farked).  This is turning into a farking wreck on the budget here.

I'm not keen on oil furnaces/boilers because the fuel is expensive as hell but I am seriously looking at dual fuel wood/coal boilers to supplement my furnace.  if I can find a used one I'll install it in my garage and put a little heat exchanger on the air handler and only run it once we start getting into consistent cold weather that needs heat.  I'll just let the heat pump/propane deal with the highly variable fall/spring cold snaps.  I'm about to chop down dozens of trees that are starting to fall to apart and coal in Kentucky is less than $200 a ton and long term storage for coal is "pile it up behind the garage with a tarp on it".

/Also looking at solar to supplement the electric..  how many houses have solar panels and a coal boiler?
 
2014-02-25 09:42:29 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: my lip balm addiction: antidisestablishmentarianism: My hard right neighbor was telling me that the polar vortex is causing the ice caps to grow. I can't find anything to disprove this claim but I didn't want to call BS on him. No snopes, no politifact. But I am damn sick of this stupid cold winter.

Just show that retard this map.[scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net image 472x540]

Because to many, that little circle is the world.

I live in Roanoke, VA and I have met people in their 50s who have quite literally never been more than an hour's drive from their home.


As I once read it was for the English before 1066. Hopefully your neighbors have a bit more modern of a worldview though.
 
2014-02-25 09:44:25 PM  

JonBuck: Meanwhile, here in California we're expecting a whopper of a storm this weekend that'll hopefully leave a huge dent in the drought.


Not to mention in the hillsides, which will be washed away.

/sad trombone
//Debbie Downer
 
2014-02-25 09:46:04 PM  

jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here.


Wood pellets can work with an oil heater and are about half the cost.

/brought to you by the Society to Advance the Wood Pellet Industry
//I love winter until Febuary
///fark this February in particular
 
2014-02-25 09:46:55 PM  

jbrooks544: Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.

I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.

central VA farkers on OIL heat?  I got a tank of fuel oil in the back yard that you can have for 1/3 the going market rate if you can haul it out yourself. I'm scrapping the boiler and its assorted works and keeping the tank the make a trailer grill

Swap oil for electric? You'd have to be farking nuts to do that where I live. In Mass., your electric heat scheme would probably cost triple my 92% efficient oil hot air setup. Granted, MA electricity costs are 1.75 times higher than VA. I bet my setup would Artl be cheaper than electric, even with VA rates. Electric heat is literally a laughable joke here.


Wood pellets can work with an oil heater and are about half the cost.

/brought to you by the Society to Advance the Wood Pellet Industry
//I love winter until February
///fark this February in particular
 
2014-02-25 09:51:07 PM  
I have no idea how I bypassed flood control.

Fark February even more.
 
2014-02-25 09:52:52 PM  

fusillade762: What global warming, right?


Yes, because it's cold in your half of the US (which is less than 2% of the world's surface) it proves Global Warming is completely and totally made up.
 
2014-02-25 10:42:36 PM  

ytterbium: Wood pellets can work with an oil heater and are about half the cost.


ytterbium: Wood pellets can work with an oil heater and are about half the cost.


We get it, you said wood pellets twice.
 
2014-02-25 10:59:44 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: spman: Good lord, I've had to fill my oil tank twice this winter, at around $550 each time, and that's with supplementing it with my wood burning stove and keeping the thermostats at 62, I still have a quarter tank left, and if I have to drop another $500 on another refill before it gets warm again, I'm gonna be pissed.


I would advise you get with the times, and gut your old oil burning furnace system and replace it with a multie tiered electric heat pump forced air system.  honestly.. you've already spent 1/2 the money for the  upgrade in fuel costs already just this one season, and it's only gonna get worse.


Step one, if you haven't already, is to get an energy audit and make sure your insulation, etc. is up to snuff. Good insulation will help you regardless of your power source. The auditors might also suggest the appropriate efficient tech for your weather and situation. For example, if you have room and the ability to drill, a geothermal heat pump might be a good solution, much more efficient than air-based heat pumps when the temperatures drop outside.

Meanwhile, it can be nice to have a fireplace or wood pellet stove or the like to warm smaller areas of your house.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:48 PM  
A polar what?  Never heard of it.
 
2014-02-25 11:09:19 PM  

blacksho89: The politico-scientific consensus, however, that Western nations must throttle their energy use while Beijing emits unlimited and ever increasing amounts of greenhouse gases (along with heavy metals, sulfuric acid and countless other toxins) and this will somehow stop the oceans from rising if you buy enough carbon credits is absurd.


Obviously they have their issues, but apparently the Chinese have taken the lead over the U.S. in terms of wind power capacity and energy generation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country 
http://www.gwec.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/GWEC-PRstats-2013_EN. pd f
 
2014-02-25 11:15:16 PM  
On a positive note, winters like these encourage people to leave MN. I am ok with that.

Less people will be the only way traffic could improve here, because MNDOT is clearly inept at planning. Well, and implementation. Snow removal. Maint. Oh hell, they couldn't find their ass if their head was shoved up it.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:00 PM  

my lip balm addiction: Old enough to know better: Meanwhile Seattle is sunny and 52.  Meh.

Exactly. I don't know how people live in 80% of the US, I really don't. Too cold, too hot, a tornado's coming, oh shiat there's a hurricane...fark ALL of that noise.

/and during July/August, you don't get a more beautiful city than Seattle


Haha- no, the answer is Portland. Once again for you playing at home, the answer is Portland Oregon.

/so much greener and nicer than shiattle
 
2014-02-25 11:19:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-25 11:29:27 PM  

my lip balm addiction: As someone who has now been to 45 states and 16 countries besides the USA, I have never understood that mentality. I mean it's one thing if you are poor. But damn there is just so much to see out there!


From what I've managed to experience, there are and infinite number of experiences, sights, conversations and ideas out there.  Each person has a different journey, whether it be physical or philosophical.  People spend and waste time in different ways.

// Just giving you a hard time.
 
2014-02-26 12:02:38 AM  
Uhm, subby, that was the 2nd polar vortex. The third one is "The Final Artic Dimension."

/obscure?
 
2014-02-26 12:47:28 AM  
-35c/-33f ish tomorrow night here, with 6' - 8' snowbanks across the city.  This winter is hanging on.  At least it warmed up for Festival du Voyageur.
 
2014-02-26 01:46:42 AM  

mofa: my lip balm addiction: As someone who has now been to 45 states and 16 countries besides the USA, I have never understood that mentality. I mean it's one thing if you are poor. But damn there is just so much to see out there!

From what I've managed to experience, there are and infinite number of experiences, sights, conversations and ideas out there.  Each person has a different journey, whether it be physical or philosophical.  People spend and waste time in different ways.

// Just giving you a hard time.


Yes, but -- in general -- people with a small physical world tend to have a small mental world as well.

It's like the old takes of Great Floods -- if everything you've ever known is within a day's walk, then yeah, it sure looks like the "whole world" flooded, even if it is just your valley.

Same here: the whole "raised in a bubble" thing everyone chides homeschoolers for. I mean, sure they have really white teeth, but....
 
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