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(Marketwatch)   A new, clear image of North Korea from orbit, at night, reminds us that one way to save energy is not to have any in the first place   (blogs.marketwatch.com ) divider line
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2014-02-25 04:37:46 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: what does Afghanistan look like at night?


Tracer fire mostly.
 
2014-02-25 04:40:02 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: what does Afghanistan look like at night?


I'd like to know the answer to this as well.  The view of the night sky from a small FOB was spectacular.
 
2014-02-25 04:44:49 PM  
It must be amazing to look up at the stars there.

/stupid city light pollution.
 
2014-02-25 05:00:13 PM  
and this makes it clear if not for the Chinese propping up their north Korean buddies the dictators would have gone tits up decades ago when the people had had enough, sham eis now they probably have grown to accept the nightmare as normal.
 
2014-02-25 05:12:58 PM  

SpaceBison: It must be amazing to look up at the stars there.

/stupid city light pollution.


You know you could always take a camping trip.

I live out in the sticks. It is nice to be able to go out back, roast some marshmallows, and look up at the stars without any city light interference.  It's also nice to get up when I'm done, go into my warm house, cook something on the stove, and watch tv or goof off on the computer.

I'm almost certain living in the city has some perks, too.  Otherwise, so many people wouldn't be living there.
 
2014-02-25 05:28:24 PM  
I enjoy snapping night sky photos during my travels. I've been working on improving my techniques with single exposures.

Snapped this up in Iceland a few weeks ago:
scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net

Sailing in British Columbia this last fall (that's my boat on the right):
scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net

Visiting Yellowstone last summer:
scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-02-25 05:29:59 PM  

dj_spanmaster: [s.wsj.net image 569x398]

So, interior China and the whole of Mongolia are in the same boat? It's like they only bother lighting their borders!


That's the "before" shot from 20 years ago.  Things have changed a bit (although the "after" shot doesn't show interior of China as much).
 
2014-02-25 05:32:06 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.


So North Korea is the Eco-Warrior's equivalent of Somalia to the Libertarian?
 
2014-02-25 05:44:42 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Well based on the image 20 years ago vs. the one now, it seems they've increased the number of dots from 1 to 5. That's pretty impressive!


That's where the Happy Fun Camps are located
 
2014-02-25 05:55:16 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph:

I'm almost certain living in the city has some perks, too.  Otherwise, so many people wouldn't be living there.

For some, the lights and noise at night are the perk.
 
2014-02-25 06:02:14 PM  

drumhellar: For some, the lights and noise at night are the perk.


Yuuuuuup
 
2014-02-25 06:09:27 PM  

drumhellar: Kangaroo_Ralph:

I'm almost certain living in the city has some perks, too.  Otherwise, so many people wouldn't be living there.

For some, the lights and noise at night are the perk.


Yeah, sleeping in the country can be kind of creepy. It's dark, really dark, and the sound from all the wildlife is beautiful except when you're trying to sleep. And every tree branch cracking sounds like some chainsaw wielding serial killer closing in for the kill.
/I watch to many horror movies.
 
2014-02-25 06:14:25 PM  
one way to save energy is not to have any in the first place

You don't know that they don't have any energy. Maybe they're like a billion times more efficient, to such a degree that they don't even waste any on unneeded light.
 
2014-02-25 06:31:56 PM  

jjorsett: one way to save energy is not to have any in the first place

You don't know that they don't have any energy. Maybe they're like a billion times more efficient, to such a degree that they don't even waste any on unneeded light.


So Best Korea is a nation of cat people?
 
2014-02-25 06:41:37 PM  
Best Korea recycles human feces as fertilizer. To be fair, that is very environmentally conscious.
 
2014-02-25 06:44:48 PM  

MrSteve007: I enjoy snapping night sky photos during my travels. I've been working on improving my techniques with single exposures.

Snapped this up in Iceland a few weeks ago:


Where did you stay or snap those shots if you don't mind?  Heading up there soon too, staying in Hveagardi (or however you spell it).  Wasn't it you that toured the greenhouse and posted a pic for some hydroponic tomatoes?
 
2014-02-25 07:10:22 PM  

Rwa2play: MayoSlather: This is the worst country existing on the planet. Africa has some places that give them a run for their money, but NK wins for their massive work camps, systemized killing of innocents, and a total disregard for millions of lives.

Kim Jong Un and his entire government can't die soon enough.

Well...yeah and no.

Yeah, Un and his cronies can't die soon enough...except if NK collapsed tomorrow, pushing that country into the modern-day in every aspect of life there would be monumental.  The humanitarian crisis would be...the biggest since the end of WWII in Europe.   China wouldn't want to spend a dollar rebuilding, South Korea/US would have to spend trillions of dollars (not billions, TRILLIONS) just to put that country into a semblance of normalcy.

It's a monumental clusterfark.


Well if nothing else the rebuilder does get to use best korea as a lump of unmolded clay. Though it will be a big shiat sandwich the first few years.
 
2014-02-25 07:21:56 PM  
My grandfather was in the Korean War, and keeps a similar picture framed up in the living room.

War sucks. Nothing fun about kids killing other kids they've never met.
 
2014-02-25 07:22:36 PM  

wingnut396: Where did you stay or snap those shots if you don't mind? Heading up there soon too, staying in Hveagardi (or however you spell it). Wasn't it you that toured the greenhouse and posted a pic for some hydroponic tomatoes?


Yup. That was me. I went up to Akureyri (staying @ Icelandair Hotel Akureyri), in search of the northern lights - however the weather up there at the time was very, very poor.
scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net

The night before heading back to the US, I have it another try. The northern lights photo was taken when I was staying in Reykjavik (@ Hotel Natura) and was on a northern lights & spa tour through Thingvellir national park, which isn't too far from Hveagardi. You have to get an hour or so out of town though; the always-lit greenhouses of Hveagardi make night sky photography difficult anywhere near the town.
 
2014-02-25 07:27:05 PM  

MrSteve007: I enjoy snapping night sky photos during my travels. I've been working on improving my techniques with single exposures.

Snapped this up in Iceland a few weeks ago:
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x566]

Sailing in British Columbia this last fall (that's my boat on the right):
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x1275]

Visiting Yellowstone last summer:
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x1143]


Nice. Those are beautiful shots.
 
2014-02-25 07:27:54 PM  

MrSteve007: wingnut396: Where did you stay or snap those shots if you don't mind? Heading up there soon too, staying in Hveagardi (or however you spell it). Wasn't it you that toured the greenhouse and posted a pic for some hydroponic tomatoes?

Yup. That was me. I went up to Akureyri (staying @ Icelandair Hotel Akureyri), in search of the northern lights - however the weather up there at the time was very, very poor.
[scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x478]

The night before heading back to the US, I have it another try. The northern lights photo was taken when I was staying in Reykjavik (@ Hotel Natura) and was on a northern lights & spa tour through Thingvellir national park, which isn't too far from Hveagardi. You have to get an hour or so out of town though; the always-lit greenhouses of Hveagardi make night sky photography difficult anywhere near the town.


Is it too much to ask that you post that picture in this thread? I love aurora borealis pictures!
 
2014-02-25 07:28:53 PM  

MrSteve007: wingnut396: Where did you stay or snap those shots if you don't mind? Heading up there soon too, staying in Hveagardi (or however you spell it). Wasn't it you that toured the greenhouse and posted a pic for some hydroponic tomatoes?

Yup. That was me. I went up to Akureyri (staying @ Icelandair Hotel Akureyri), in search of the northern lights - however the weather up there at the time was very, very poor.
[scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x478]

The night before heading back to the US, I have it another try. The northern lights photo was taken when I was staying in Reykjavik (@ Hotel Natura) and was on a northern lights & spa tour through Thingvellir national park, which isn't too far from Hveagardi. You have to get an hour or so out of town though; the always-lit greenhouses of Hveagardi make night sky photography difficult anywhere near the town.


Nevermind if it's the one up above, I thought it was a sunset and just noticed the green. Beautiful pic!
 
2014-02-25 07:58:49 PM  

MrBallou: Best Korea is decades ahead of us in addressing the problem of Light Pollution. We should be applauding them, not laughing at them.


I'm Totes stealing this for Facebook, I would be cray not to
 
2014-02-25 08:07:02 PM  

Boojum2k: Nevermind if it's the one up above, I thought it was a sunset and just noticed the green. Beautiful pic!


While I had never intended to make a time-lapse of that scene, I made a short 10-second one. Next time I'll make sure to standardize my exposure time to smooth out the video and brightness. That would really improve it.
 
2014-02-25 08:07:51 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS


IS there any thread you won't troll?
 
2014-02-25 08:10:15 PM  

MrSteve007: Boojum2k: Nevermind if it's the one up above, I thought it was a sunset and just noticed the green. Beautiful pic!

While I had never intended to make a time-lapse of that scene, I made a short 10-second one. Next time I'll make sure to standardize my exposure time to smooth out the video and brightness. That would really improve it.


Thank you, that is great!
 
2014-02-25 08:10:22 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: MrBallou: Best Korea is decades ahead of us in addressing the problem of Light Pollution. We should be applauding them, not laughing at them.

I'm Totes stealing this for Facebook, I would be cray not to


I'm flattered.
 
2014-02-25 08:13:55 PM  
Should I be horrified at that?

Or should I be impressed that about 90% of china is also lights free?

Considering the country has 1.5 billion people, that's incredible.
 
2014-02-25 08:13:56 PM  

make me some tea: Egoy3k: It's not the carbon that's the problem really recent carbon is considered by most climate scientists to be OK because it's not adding to the carbon cycle.

It's the smog and deforestation that is the problem.  Climate change has nothing on the radical change in local weather, water tables, and wildlife that deforestation causes.  Like HMS_Blinkin said, it's a disaster.

Oh, that makes sense. I imagine that's gonna get dicey when the last trees are felled.


i.imgur.com

Ask Haiti about that. You can distinctively see the border with the Dominican Republic from the air due to their deforestation.

Its one reason the mudslides suck and they dont have much in the way of trees for heating or to make charcoal with anymore.
 
2014-02-25 08:16:31 PM  

MrSteve007: I enjoy snapping night sky photos during my travels. I've been working on improving my techniques with single exposures.

Snapped this up in Iceland a few weeks ago:
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x566]

Sailing in British Columbia this last fall (that's my boat on the right):
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x1275]

Visiting Yellowstone last summer:
[scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x1143]


Exposure time?
 
2014-02-25 08:19:43 PM  

dr_blasto: Actually, if you don't have any energy, you're not likely to save any. Now, you can avoid wasting energy by not having any, but you still can't save what you don't have.


"But if you don't already have any of it to begin with, you can't get any of it to get started which means you really have no idea how to get it in the first place ... do you?"

theinspirationroom.com

/doot dee doot dee doot dee dee dee
 
2014-02-25 08:32:25 PM  

Saiga410: Exposure time?


Depending on the photo, they'll vary depending on the lens. I usually shoot the night sky with either a 24 mm or fisheye - which will greatly change the exposure time. The Yellowstone photo was shot with a 16 second exposure, ISO 1600 at f/1.4 with a 24 mm lens.
 
2014-02-25 08:39:34 PM  
The good news is that countries lacking a mature power grid and infrastructure tend to be less effective at making war.
 
2014-02-25 08:53:04 PM  

make me some tea: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS

I take it you've never seen this.


Absolutely gorgeous video! Thank you for posting that!
 
2014-02-25 08:58:24 PM  

make me some tea: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS

I take it you've never seen this.


WOW. I had never seen that, so I thank you for linking it.
 
2014-02-25 11:30:53 PM  

Rwa2play: South Korea/US would have to spend trillions of dollars (not billions, TRILLIONS) just to put that country into a semblance of normalcy.


Unfortunately you're probably right.  Other than the whole nuclear part of it I'd love to see them collapse and the US not offer a dime.  It's a world problem, the world should pay for it.
 
2014-02-26 12:03:33 AM  

mjbok: Rwa2play: South Korea/US would have to spend trillions of dollars (not billions, TRILLIONS) just to put that country into a semblance of normalcy.

Unfortunately you're probably right.  Other than the whole nuclear part of it I'd love to see them collapse and the US not offer a dime.  It's a world problem, the world should pay for it.


go back and read a history book...  This is a problem of our choosing long before I was born...  hell, we are still officially at war with north korea...
 
2014-02-26 12:09:40 AM  

Maul555: This is a problem of our choosing long before I was born


Um, if we hadn't "chosen the problem," then we'd be looking at an entire blacked-out peninsula, not just the northern half.
 
2014-02-26 02:01:08 AM  

Maul555: go back and read a history book...  This is a problem of our choosing long before I was born...


I take it you are North Korean or Chinese.
 
2014-02-26 03:32:54 AM  
Actually, I figure it depends on the time they took the pictures.  Local councils all over the UK are turning off the lights after midnight.  Soon, between midnight and 5am England will disappear from the map...
 
2014-02-26 08:23:14 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Maul555: go back and read a history book...  This is a problem of our choosing long before I was born...

I take it you are North Korean or Chinese.


I am American.      Are you saying someone forced us to invade the Korean Peninsula with a gun to our heads?  If we hadent have done that, then the entire place would be Best Korea right now, but hey, at least it wouldn't be OUR problem, right guys?
 
2014-02-26 09:28:53 AM  
Late to the thread, but this is the world at night. Notice hellholes like North Korea, such as Canada, Australia, and Alaska:

www.shindles.co.uk

(clickypop)
 
2014-02-26 09:51:38 AM  

KidneyStone: Reminds me of Boca when Wilma knocked out power for most of the state.  The night sky was AMAZING


I happened to be in Fort Lauderdale for business when Wilma hit - yes, the sky was AMAZING, the stabilization of the atmosphere afterwards helped with that.

I've been a lifelong astronomy nerd, and I always thought the pinnacle of beauty that was the night sky existed in the White Mountains of NH. Then I went out west for the first time. Unbelievable, never saw such beautiful skies. Next time, I'm bringing my ETX. THEN I found out that they do seasonal full-moon journeys in Bryce Canyon. I think that would be the ultimate for me.
 
2014-02-26 10:14:13 AM  
Personally, I'm jealous.
Must be nice to see stars.

Must be nice to have the infrastructure support recycling.
Must be nice with all those gun totin' womens
 
2014-02-26 10:33:25 AM  

Maul555: I am American.      Are you saying someone forced us to invade the Korean Peninsula with a gun to our heads?



I'll bite.  When did you invade the Korean Peninsula?

And I'll tell you the part I know about...North Korea invaded South Korea in June 1950.   It was a slaughter.  The north was heavily militarized with mobile armor and artillery and greater troop numbers, the south had none of that.  Untold thousands of South Koreans civilians were slaughtered within days, and half a million abandoned their homes to flee south away from the invasion.   The U.N. security council voted to use military action to defend the mostly defenseless South Koreans.  A U.N. organized force from 20 nations, of which the U.S. was one, intervened on behalf of South Korea the following month, on July 1950.  The North had moved so fast that by the time U.N. forces arrived, NK already occupied more than 80% of South Korea.

Now, with that out of the way, it sounds like you have a very interesting story to tell....
 
2014-02-26 11:03:54 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'll bite. ...


It is simpler than that. Prior to and during WWII, Korea was a Japanese colony. Afterward, Russia and the USA divided Japan's spoils. MacArthur ruled South Korea for all intents and purposes. Any government propped up by the natives was a weak puppet of the USA. An invasion by the north was perceived as no different than an invasion of the Philippines, Guam, or Texas.
 
2014-02-26 11:38:15 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Maul555: I am American.      Are you saying someone forced us to invade the Korean Peninsula with a gun to our heads?


I'll bite.  When did you invade the Korean Peninsula?

And I'll tell you the part I know about...North Korea invaded South Korea in June 1950.   It was a slaughter.  The north was heavily militarized with mobile armor and artillery and greater troop numbers, the south had none of that.  Untold thousands of South Koreans civilians were slaughtered within days, and half a million abandoned their homes to flee south away from the invasion.   The U.N. security council voted to use military action to defend the mostly defenseless South Koreans.  A U.N. organized force from 20 nations, of which the U.S. was one, intervened on behalf of South Korea the following month, on July 1950.  The North had moved so fast that by the time U.N. forces arrived, NK already occupied more than 80% of South Korea.

Now, with that out of the way, it sounds like you have a very interesting story to tell....


No shiat...  I was responding to the guy who seems to think that the entire Korean situation is none of our business, and it is instead a world problem, and the world can take care of it while we pretend we have never even heard of the place.
 
2014-02-26 11:45:12 AM  

Maul555: I was responding to the guy who seems to think that the entire Korean situation is none of our business, and it is instead a world problem, and the world can take care of it while we pretend we have never even heard of the place.


I'm assuming that is directed at me.  I'm not saying it is none of our business so much as it is NOT JUST OUR PROBLEM.  NK is everyone's problem, not the least of which is China.  The US for some reason is tasked with bearing the financial burden of much of the world's problems.  Should best Korea collapse based solely on geography the US has less impact than many nations.  Of course South Korean puts the US in the discussion, but SK is also a big boy.
 
2014-02-26 11:48:55 AM  

mjbok: Maul555: I was responding to the guy who seems to think that the entire Korean situation is none of our business, and it is instead a world problem, and the world can take care of it while we pretend we have never even heard of the place.

I'm assuming that is directed at me.  I'm not saying it is none of our business so much as it is NOT JUST OUR PROBLEM.  NK is everyone's problem, not the least of which is China.  The US for some reason is tasked with bearing the financial burden of much of the world's problems.  Should best Korea collapse based solely on geography the US has less impact than many nations.  Of course South Korean puts the US in the discussion, but SK is also a big boy.


The world isnt going to take care of this... We have seen what happens when we leave the world to its own devices, and its farking horrible...  This is a problem of our choosing, and wishing the world would come in and throw money at it for us is naive...    The UN is filled with nations that have massive competing interests...  Places like China will fight us hard every step of the way because they DO NOT WANT a democratic capitalist nation that is best-buds with the United States on their borders...  Iether we take help manage the situation, or we let the world fark it up behind our back... Those are the only two options I see.
 
2014-02-26 12:15:05 PM  

Feepit: It is simpler than that. Prior to and during WWII, Korea was a Japanese colony. Afterward, Russia and the USA divided Japan's spoils. MacArthur ruled South Korea for all intents and purposes.


A...colony?  Gotta love the lightspeed spin.  It was a Japanese colony (which sounds nice and legitimate) but when the U.S. kicked Japan out it was a "puppet regime" (evil sounding).

The facts - Japan occupied Korea and literally used the Koreans as slave labor and exported the women to Japan as sex slaves.  The Koreans hated the Japanese occupation with a white hot passion of a thousand suns.  Yes, when the U.S. defeated Japan, we set up a provisional government for them to rule themselves, which was the intent.  We had left, and they had their own democratic government when NK invaded.

Feepit: Any government propped up by the natives was a weak puppet of the USA. An invasion by the north was perceived as no different than an invasion of the Philippines, Guam, or Texas.


Lol, even assuming for a moment this analogy is accurate, which is ridiculous - if texas invaded northward slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians,you wouldn't want the U.S. government to do anything about it?
 
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