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(Marketwatch)   A new, clear image of North Korea from orbit, at night, reminds us that one way to save energy is not to have any in the first place   (blogs.marketwatch.com) divider line 116
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2014-02-25 01:53:10 PM  
Well based on the image 20 years ago vs. the one now, it seems they've increased the number of dots from 1 to 5. That's pretty impressive!
 
2014-02-25 02:00:07 PM  
Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS
 
2014-02-25 02:06:54 PM  
On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.
 
2014-02-25 02:08:11 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS


I take it you've never seen this.
 
2014-02-25 02:08:32 PM  

make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.


mimg.ugo.com
 
2014-02-25 02:10:16 PM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-02-25 02:20:57 PM  

make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.


Yep. Very small carbon footprint.
 
2014-02-25 02:26:11 PM  
They even use recycled tires for fuel, as shown in this video of an obsolete steam engine.
 
2014-02-25 02:31:40 PM  
Actually, if you don't have any energy, you're not likely to save any. Now, you can avoid wasting energy by not having any, but you still can't save what you don't have.
 
2014-02-25 02:39:38 PM  
Somewhat high mountain range down the center and very little light polution.  They should invest in a telescope.
 
2014-02-25 02:42:21 PM  
This is the worst country existing on the planet. Africa has some places that give them a run for their money, but NK wins for their massive work camps, systemized killing of innocents, and a total disregard for millions of lives.

Kim Jong Un and his entire government can't die soon enough.
 
2014-02-25 02:44:06 PM  

make me some tea: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wow, something of interest actually came from the ISS

I take it you've never seen this.


Or this one
 
2014-02-25 02:49:21 PM  
Since it is Walking Around With a Big Stick Up Your Ass Day, let me point out that polluting the night sky to the point of robbing people from the joys of looking at the stars, planets, moons, comets, shooting stars, UFOs, black helicopters, etc is not a sign of advancement.

We may be advanced technologically but technically we aren't advanced. Which is the best kind of advanced.
 
2014-02-25 02:50:37 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.


Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..
 
2014-02-25 02:52:41 PM  

Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..


I think for that to be the case, Best Koreans would have to actually eat
 
2014-02-25 03:00:17 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Since it is Walking Around With a Big Stick Up Your Ass Day, let me point out that polluting the night sky to the point of robbing people from the joys of looking at the stars, planets, moons, comets, shooting stars, UFOs, black helicopters, etc is not a sign of advancement.

We may be advanced technologically but technically we aren't advanced. Which is the best kind of advanced.


I don't know. Good or bad, being so burningly visible from space is impressive no matter what.
 
2014-02-25 03:00:44 PM  

Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..


They power a lot of their vehicles with a wood gas system hooked up to the diesel engine. That may be post apocalyptic steam punk looking, but it takes a lot of trees.
 
2014-02-25 03:00:54 PM  

Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..


This.  NK is an environmental disaster.
 
2014-02-25 03:02:24 PM  

Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..


I was cracking a joke, but now I'm curious as to comparison of the carbon output from home cooking vs. power generation.
 
2014-02-25 03:08:16 PM  

make me some tea: Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..

I was cracking a joke, but now I'm curious as to comparison of the carbon output from home cooking vs. power generation.


It's not the carbon that's the problem really recent carbon is considered by most climate scientists to be OK because it's not adding to the carbon cycle.

It's the smog and deforestation that is the problem.  Climate change has nothing on the radical change in local weather, water tables, and wildlife that deforestation causes.  Like HMS_Blinkin said, it's a disaster.
 
2014-02-25 03:09:14 PM  
It's also worth noting that South Korea has more than twice the population of North Korea. Usually you don't light up unpopulated areas at night.
 
2014-02-25 03:14:29 PM  

MrEricSir: It's also worth noting that South Korea has more than twice the population of North Korea. Usually you don't light up unpopulated areas at night.


There's still an estimated 25 million in Best Korea, should be more lit up then that...
 
2014-02-25 03:19:21 PM  

MrEricSir: It's also worth noting that South Korea has more than twice the population of North Korea. Usually you don't light up unpopulated areas at night.


Pennsylvania is roughly the same size in square miles (PA is 500 sq miles smaller) with half the population of Best Korea.

Here's Pennsylvania at night:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-25 03:19:43 PM  

Egoy3k: It's not the carbon that's the problem really recent carbon is considered by most climate scientists to be OK because it's not adding to the carbon cycle.

It's the smog and deforestation that is the problem.  Climate change has nothing on the radical change in local weather, water tables, and wildlife that deforestation causes.  Like HMS_Blinkin said, it's a disaster.


Oh, that makes sense. I imagine that's gonna get dicey when the last trees are felled.
 
2014-02-25 03:22:34 PM  
Clearly a gross distortion from the imperialist Nazi American media. Electricity is widespread and plentiful in Best Korea.

Lightbulbs not so much.
 
2014-02-25 03:32:42 PM  
But but but they NEED that nuclear plant to supply power to their people!  See how hideously oppressed they are by the USA?  They would be a blinding sea of white light if it weren't for those Evil Americans!

/because they apparently need to export all of their coal for $$$ rather than using it themselves.
 
2014-02-25 03:33:31 PM  
Best Korea is decades ahead of us in addressing the problem of Light Pollution. We should be applauding them, not laughing at them.
 
2014-02-25 03:42:19 PM  

Egoy3k: Old_Chief_Scott: make me some tea: On the bright side, at least they appear to be conserving energy better than the rest of us.

Yep. Very small carbon footprint.

Producing (burning) and then burning charcoal for cooking and heating is the exact opposite of sound environmental policy..


That's the joke.
 
2014-02-25 03:43:28 PM  

MrBallou: Best Korea is decades ahead of us in addressing the problem of Light Pollution. We should be applauding them, not laughing at them.


I guess Best Korea is the starting point for the 1000 years of darkness Chuck Norris predicted.
 
2014-02-25 03:47:19 PM  
TFH:  A new, clear image of North Korea

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-25 03:49:22 PM  

Subby: A new, clear image


Oh, you...
 
2014-02-25 03:49:58 PM  
Tiny fist shaken at noazark...
 
2014-02-25 03:55:55 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Since it is Walking Around With a Big Stick Up Your Ass Day, let me point out that polluting the night sky to the point of robbing people from the joys of looking at the stars, planets, moons, comets, shooting stars, UFOs, black helicopters, etc is not a sign of advancement.

We may be advanced technologically but technically we aren't advanced. Which is the best kind of advanced.


I agree, we really shouldn't be spilling light all into the night sky. "Light the ground, not the sky"

Fantasy:
http://www.space.com/20542-darkened-cities-night-sky-photos.html
What the night sky would look like from several major cities if there wasn't light pollution, by Thierry Cohen:

i.space.com
cdn.visualnews.com
 
2014-02-25 04:02:18 PM  
We won't be laughing so hard when the inevitable alien invasion wipes out everyone BUT north korea because they assumed no one was home..

//oh, who am I kidding.. it'd still be funny.
 
2014-02-25 04:03:51 PM  
Kind of looks like they are allowed to sleep... or look at the stars if they want.
 
2014-02-25 04:11:45 PM  

StopLurkListen: Fantasy:http://www.space.com/20542-darkened-cities-night-sky-photos.h t mlWhat the night sky would look like from several major cities if there wasn't light pollution, by Thierry Cohen:


Nice.

Post Apocalypse night skies will be beautiful.  Something to look forward to.
 
2014-02-25 04:17:26 PM  

MayoSlather: This is the worst country existing on the planet. Africa has some places that give them a run for their money, but NK wins for their massive work camps, systemized killing of innocents, and a total disregard for millions of lives.

Kim Jong Un and his entire government can't die soon enough.


Well...yeah and no.

Yeah, Un and his cronies can't die soon enough...except if NK collapsed tomorrow, pushing that country into the modern-day in every aspect of life there would be monumental.  The humanitarian crisis would be...the biggest since the end of WWII in Europe.   China wouldn't want to spend a dollar rebuilding, South Korea/US would have to spend trillions of dollars (not billions, TRILLIONS) just to put that country into a semblance of normalcy.

It's a monumental clusterfark.
 
2014-02-25 04:18:47 PM  
Have another handful of steaks, Kim Jong Ton.
 
2014-02-25 04:21:55 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Since it is Walking Around With a Big Stick Up Your Ass Day, let me point out that polluting the night sky to the point of robbing people from the joys of looking at the stars, planets, moons, comets, shooting stars, UFOs, black helicopters, etc is not a sign of advancement.

We may be advanced technologically but technically we aren't advanced. Which is the best kind of advanced.


came to say this.. i bet the night sky looks wonderful
 
2014-02-25 04:22:59 PM  
And I bet the few lights you do see in North Korea are the searchlights at the labor camps.
 
2014-02-25 04:25:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: MrEricSir: It's also worth noting that South Korea has more than twice the population of North Korea. Usually you don't light up unpopulated areas at night.

Pennsylvania is roughly the same size in square miles (PA is 500 sq miles smaller) with half the population of Best Korea.

Here's Pennsylvania at night:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]


So I have to chose between living in Pennsylvania or North Korea?

I'm thinking, I thinking.........
 
2014-02-25 04:26:13 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: StopLurkListen: Fantasy:http://www.space.com/20542-darkened-cities-night-sky-photos.h t mlWhat the night sky would look like from several major cities if there wasn't light pollution, by Thierry Cohen:

Nice.

Post Apocalypse night skies will be beautiful.  Something to look forward to.


I know, right... it looks like a "Life After People" shot. :(
 
2014-02-25 04:26:24 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: StopLurkListen: Fantasy:http://www.space.com/20542-darkened-cities-night-sky-photos.h t mlWhat the night sky would look like from several major cities if there wasn't light pollution, by Thierry Cohen:

Nice.

Post Apocalypse night skies will be beautiful.  Something to look forward to.


I'm working on it.

Do you have any idea how expensive anti-matter is?
/and don't ask me about the failure of my anti-pesto initiative... i was grossly misinformed
 
2014-02-25 04:27:29 PM  
s.wsj.net

So, interior China and the whole of Mongolia are in the same boat? It's like they only bother lighting their borders!
 
2014-02-25 04:29:07 PM  

dj_spanmaster: [s.wsj.net image 569x398]

So, interior China and the whole of Mongolia are in the same boat? It's like they only bother lighting their borders!


upload.wikimedia.org
That's the Gobi Desert.
 
2014-02-25 04:31:20 PM  
what does Afghanistan look like at night?
 
2014-02-25 04:32:05 PM  
When South Korea get its land back from the occupying regime in North Korea, the environmental cleanup will be as big a cost sink as supporting millions of people from a defunct economy.
 
2014-02-25 04:32:18 PM  

StopLurkListen: dj_spanmaster: [s.wsj.net image 569x398]

So, interior China and the whole of Mongolia are in the same boat? It's like they only bother lighting their borders!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x676]
That's the Gobi Desert.


And Gobi is getting larger!
 
2014-02-25 04:32:19 PM  
For the folks who think they are having smaller carbon footprint, saving energy, it is not necessarily true. If they don't have electricity, they would burn candle or oil, only less efficient, that all. They would also burn more woods as that is readily available (just chop down a tree while no one is looking).

You do save a lot when you are not driving, but besides that, you are actually burning and wasting even more.
 
2014-02-25 04:32:31 PM  

StopLurkListen: dj_spanmaster: [s.wsj.net image 569x398]

So, interior China and the whole of Mongolia are in the same boat? It's like they only bother lighting their borders!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x676]
That's the Gobi Desert.


Ah! Makes so much more sense, I'd neglected considering topography, which in retrospect appears lacking. In my defense, the Gobi and Mongolia have vaguely similar outlines.
 
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