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(CBS Sports)   Want a Men's Hockey silver medal from the 2014 Olympics? Because Erik Karlsson doesn't, and he's going to put his on eBay   (cbssports.com) divider line 65
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2014-02-25 12:56:48 PM
static2.businessinsider.com
 
2014-02-25 01:03:06 PM
No one from a team sport wants a silver medal. It is something you "win" by losing, a tangible reminder that you are only second best.
 
2014-02-25 01:03:11 PM
Meanwhile the Latvian team is celebrating like they won gold.  Appreciate what you have because most get nothing.
 
2014-02-25 01:04:23 PM
I like the subtle dig at the US team in the last sentence.

/bunch of farking losers. If you didnt want a bronze medal, dont show up for the game; oh wait...
 
2014-02-25 01:20:38 PM
The US team isn't good enough to not show up for the bronze medal game. You gotta win a gold before you can be in "gold or bust" mode.

/Go Canada
 
2014-02-25 01:27:54 PM

Flappyhead: Meanwhile the Latvian team is celebrating like they won gold.  Appreciate what you have because most get nothing.


I don't know if they are celebrating like they won gold, but they don't have anything to hang their heads about.
 
2014-02-25 01:30:20 PM
I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

I think my lasting impression will be this goal here a couple of weeks ago.

As my one friend said, who knows as much about hockey as any of us:
"If I was his teammate, during intermission I would have choked him up against a locker after seeing that."

Agreed.

Likewise, as my coworker said, who is just getting into hockey the last few months:
"I love that Karlsson guy on my fantasy team. Dude gets like 6 points a game."

Touché
 
2014-02-25 01:31:38 PM
Trophies are stupid. Had dozens over the years, including a big championship, and haven't kept any.

Got a good friend who was on the John Paul Mitchel kempo team. He's got a collection of trophies, some 6 farking feet tall, cluttering up his basement. Refuses to throw them out even though it's been 20 years and they are actually a nuance.

A treasure that cannot be freely discarded is a hindrance and a millstone around ones neck. And trophies ain't treasures.
 
2014-02-25 01:38:48 PM
Alex Ovechkin quickly masses up an entire year's salary to get his hand on this, so he doesn't keep getting mocked by Sidney Crosby....
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2014-02-25 01:47:22 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.


Who would you have given it to?  Chara or Weber?  I have a hard time not giving it to Karlsson just based on his numbers, and considering the team he was on.
 
2014-02-25 01:49:12 PM

FarkinHostile: Refuses to throw them out even though it's been 20 years and they are actually a nuance.


True, some trophies have a subtle quality to them.
 
2014-02-25 01:54:06 PM
There is no way he actually does this. He's just talking out of his ass.
 
2014-02-25 01:59:15 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.



Yeah that should have been Webers year.  It was a stat/highlight reel vote that year.  Anybody actually paying attention could see how terrible he can be defensively.  That same year my brother and I got seats near the glass for a Sens/Leafs game in Ottawa.  On one shift the puck is in Torontos end and there is a battle in the corner.  The puck gets loose and ends up on a Leafs stick who then goes to clear it off the boards.  It's on Karlssons side and he suddenly pinches in, letting his man skate past him and almost to the red line.  He manages to just knock the puck down and keep it in for a few seconds before it's cleared again.  The forward he didn't pick up?  Phil Kessel.

FarkinHostile:

A treasure that cannot be freely discarded is a hindrance and a millstone around ones neck. And trophies ain't treasures.

OK there Confucius.
 
2014-02-25 02:10:53 PM

homarjr: The US team isn't good enough to not show up for the bronze medal game. You gotta win a gold before you can be in "gold or bust" mode.

/Go Canada


Already have 2 of them... so I guess we can be in that mode.
 
2014-02-25 02:19:12 PM

FarkinHostile: Trophies are stupid. Had dozens over the years, including a big championship, and haven't kept any.

Got a good friend who was on the John Paul Mitchel kempo team. He's got a collection of trophies, some 6 farking feet tall, cluttering up his basement. Refuses to throw them out even though it's been 20 years and they are actually a nuance.

A treasure that cannot be freely discarded is a hindrance and a millstone around ones neck. And trophies ain't treasures.


What's he going to do with it anyway?  Put it on display in his home?  At least an Olympic medal doesn't take up too much room.  It's not like he can wear it to a bar.  Well, he could, but that would just be obnoxious.
 
2014-02-25 02:19:28 PM
You know who else didn't want silver?

www.thetimes.co.uk
 
2014-02-25 02:21:20 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

I think my lasting impression will be this goal here a couple of weeks ago.

As my one friend said, who knows as much about hockey as any of us:
"If I was his teammate, during intermission I would have choked him up against a locker after seeing that."

Agreed.

Likewise, as my coworker said, who is just getting into hockey the last few months:
"I love that Karlsson guy on my fantasy team. Dude gets like 6 points a game."

Touché


not following this......what happened?
 
2014-02-25 02:24:05 PM

JSam21: homarjr: The US team isn't good enough to not show up for the bronze medal game. You gotta win a gold before you can be in "gold or bust" mode.

/Go Canada

Already have 2 of them... so I guess we can be in that mode.


When?

1998 - Czech Republic
2002 - Canada
2006 - Sweden
2010 - Canada
2014 - Canada

/Please tell me you like to count amateur tournaments
//You shouldn't
 
2014-02-25 02:25:22 PM

Flappyhead: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.


Yeah that should have been Webers year.  It was a stat/highlight reel vote that year.  Anybody actually paying attention could see how terrible he can be defensively.  That same year my brother and I got seats near the glass for a Sens/Leafs game in Ottawa.  On one shift the puck is in Torontos end and there is a battle in the corner.  The puck gets loose and ends up on a Leafs stick who then goes to clear it off the boards.  It's on Karlssons side and he suddenly pinches in, letting his man skate past him and almost to the red line.  He manages to just knock the puck down and keep it in for a few seconds before it's cleared again.  The forward he didn't pick up?  Phil Kessel.

FarkinHostile:

A treasure that cannot be freely discarded is a hindrance and a millstone around ones neck. And trophies ain't treasures.

OK there Confucius.


The Norris has basically become an award for the highest scoring d-man, instead of the best d-man. See Subban, PK.
 
2014-02-25 02:30:25 PM
Ted_Crisp:

The Norris has basically become an award for the highest scoring d-man, instead of the best d-man. See Subban, PK.

Pat Burns(RIP) once said they should come up with the Bobby Orr Trophy for the highest scoring defenseman to solve that problem.
 
2014-02-25 02:35:30 PM

Ted_Crisp: Flappyhead: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.


Yeah that should have been Webers year.  It was a stat/highlight reel vote that year.  Anybody actually paying attention could see how terrible he can be defensively.  That same year my brother and I got seats near the glass for a Sens/Leafs game in Ottawa.  On one shift the puck is in Torontos end and there is a battle in the corner.  The puck gets loose and ends up on a Leafs stick who then goes to clear it off the boards.  It's on Karlssons side and he suddenly pinches in, letting his man skate past him and almost to the red line.  He manages to just knock the puck down and keep it in for a few seconds before it's cleared again.  The forward he didn't pick up?  Phil Kessel.

FarkinHostile:

A treasure that cannot be freely discarded is a hindrance and a millstone around ones neck. And trophies ain't treasures.

OK there Confucius.

The Norris has basically become an award for the highest scoring d-man, instead of the best d-man. See Subban, PK.


Not every year, but Karlsson was SO MUCH better at scoring than any other d-man that year.

Also - PK gets a bad rep. He's a great player and doesn't make nearly as many "bad decisions" as people think he does.
 
2014-02-25 02:41:51 PM
A few years back I was out in Vegas and went to the Pawn Stars shop.  They had a Super Bowl ring, which I thought was sad, and an Olympic gold medal which was even sadder.

I can't imagine wanting to buy either.  You win them.
 
2014-02-25 02:48:04 PM

homarjr: JSam21: homarjr: The US team isn't good enough to not show up for the bronze medal game. You gotta win a gold before you can be in "gold or bust" mode.

/Go Canada

Already have 2 of them... so I guess we can be in that mode.

When?

1998 - Czech Republic
2002 - Canada
2006 - Sweden
2010 - Canada
2014 - Canada

/Please tell me you like to count amateur tournaments
//You shouldn't


Ahhh so Olympic hockey history only goes back to 1998 now? Got it. Way to change the parameters to fit your narrative.
 
2014-02-25 02:50:08 PM

JSam21: Ahhh so Olympic hockey history only goes back to 1998 now? Got it. Way to change the parameters to fit your narrative.


I'll bet if Paul Kariya scored the gold medal winner in 1994 he'd count that one.
 
2014-02-25 02:51:01 PM

JSam21: homarjr: JSam21: homarjr: The US team isn't good enough to not show up for the bronze medal game. You gotta win a gold before you can be in "gold or bust" mode.

/Go Canada

Already have 2 of them... so I guess we can be in that mode.

When?

1998 - Czech Republic
2002 - Canada
2006 - Sweden
2010 - Canada
2014 - Canada

/Please tell me you like to count amateur tournaments
//You shouldn't

Ahhh so Olympic hockey history only goes back to 1998 now? Got it. Way to change the parameters to fit your narrative.


Yep. It only goes back to when the best players in the world were allowed to play, and the NHL didn't allow anyone until 1998.

Everything before that is pointless. Just like the World Hockey Championships.
 
2014-02-25 02:54:28 PM

Yanks_RSJ: JSam21: Ahhh so Olympic hockey history only goes back to 1998 now? Got it. Way to change the parameters to fit your narrative.

I'll bet if Paul Kariya scored the gold medal winner in 1994 he'd count that one.


Yet I didn't count any of the World Cups or Canada Cups. Hmmm.

US won that one in 1996. I guess I'll give you that. You still shouldn't be in "gold or bust" mode. Finland sure wasn't, and they have more Olympic medals than anyone in recent history.
 
2014-02-25 02:58:50 PM

homarjr: Yep. It only goes back to when the best players in the world were allowed to play, and the NHL didn't allow anyone until 1998.

Everything before that is pointless. Just like the World Hockey Championships.


I think everything after 1998 is pointless.

"Oh, look! Those professional hockey players beat those other professional hockey players.  Just like, well, every NHL game."  *yawn*.

A win like 1980 will never happen again, since pro hockey won't allow it.
 
2014-02-25 03:05:00 PM

RickN99: A win like 1980 will never happen again, since pro hockey won't allow it.


Congrats on your win 34 years ago.

Your previous gold, in 1956, must be just as special to you.
 
2014-02-25 03:10:08 PM

homarjr: RickN99: A win like 1980 will never happen again, since pro hockey won't allow it.

Congrats on your win 34 years ago.

Your previous gold, in 1956, must be just as special to you.


I think it was actually 1960, Squaw Valley.
Soviets in '56.
 
2014-02-25 03:12:38 PM

homarjr: RickN99: A win like 1980 will never happen again, since pro hockey won't allow it.

Congrats on your win 34 years ago.

Your previous gold, in 1956, must be just as special to you.


Our win over the USSR (and later Finland for the gold) in 1980 lifted morale in this country like you would not believe. Interest rates, gas prices, economic turmoil, the threat of war. All that shiat was a real drag.

But, since you're not an American, you wouldn't know that. Which is too bad.

So please, spare us the bullshiat.
 
2014-02-25 03:13:20 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: You know who else didn't want silver?


timekeepingscore.files.wordpress.com

/hot link.
 
2014-02-25 03:14:55 PM

Ted_Crisp: The Norris has basically become an award for the highest scoring d-man, instead of the best d-man. See Subban, PK.


That's not really true though.  It didn't go to the following highest scorers:

2013: Kris Letang (same points as PK, fewer games)
2011: Lubomir Visnovsky
2010: Mike Green
2009: Mike Green
2007: Scott Niedermeyer
2004: Sergei Gonchar
2003: Al MacInnis
2002: Sergei Gonchar (same points as Lidstrom, fewer games)
2001: Brian Leetch
2000: Niklas Lidstrom
1998: Niklas Lidstrom

So over the last 15 years, it went to the highest-scoring D-man in 2012, 2008, 2006, and 1999.
 
2014-02-25 03:22:15 PM

mainstreet62: homarjr: RickN99: A win like 1980 will never happen again, since pro hockey won't allow it.

Congrats on your win 34 years ago.

Your previous gold, in 1956, must be just as special to you.

Our win over the USSR (and later Finland for the gold) in 1980 lifted morale in this country like you would not believe. Interest rates, gas prices, economic turmoil, the threat of war. All that shiat was a real drag.

But, since you're not an American, you wouldn't know that. Which is too bad.

So please, spare us the bullshiat.


I'm not American, so I don't know what the 1980 win meant to Americans? Get over yourself.

The Cold War is over. Find a new victory to rally around already.
 
2014-02-25 03:44:31 PM
You don't want it? Give it to your mom - if she's anything like my sister, she practically lives at the rink (at ungodly hours), so her kid can practice/play hockey.
 
2014-02-25 04:02:10 PM
scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-02-25 04:07:10 PM
Methinks Swedish sarcasm doesn't translate well to English.
 
2014-02-25 04:41:04 PM
homarjr
Canadians whined for decades about the Russians bringing professional level teams to the Olympics. Then when they looked back and saw that their country hadn't won a hockey Gold in 50 years and it was proposed that every country use professional players, they changed their tune: "We can use NHL players? Oh hell yeah, we totally embraced that idea, maybe we can win a Gold Medal again." Hypocrites
 
2014-02-25 04:58:24 PM
Writer is full of shiat. Clearly karlsson is joking. This crap must be written by a leafs fan.
 
2014-02-25 05:01:15 PM

Chak: homarjr
Canadians whined for decades about the Russians bringing professional level teams to the Olympics. Then when they looked back and saw that their country hadn't won a hockey Gold in 50 years and it was proposed that every country use professional players, they changed their tune: "We can use NHL players? Oh hell yeah, we totally embraced that idea, maybe we can win a Gold Medal again." Hypocrites


???  How exactly is that hypocrisy?  It was a legitimate complaint.  Also you and everyone else responding to homar are getting trolled hard.
 
2014-02-25 05:08:56 PM

stir22: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

I think my lasting impression will be this goal here a couple of weeks ago.

As my one friend said, who knows as much about hockey as any of us:
"If I was his teammate, during intermission I would have choked him up against a locker after seeing that."

Agreed.

Likewise, as my coworker said, who is just getting into hockey the last few months:
"I love that Karlsson guy on my fantasy team. Dude gets like 6 points a game."

Touché

not following this......what happened?


He's #65 for the Senators, to the goalie's left of the net.  Watch his halfhearted defensive efforts.
 
2014-02-25 05:16:15 PM

Chak: homarjr
Canadians whined for decades about the Russians bringing professional level teams to the Olympics. Then when they looked back and saw that their country hadn't won a hockey Gold in 50 years and it was proposed that every country use professional players, they changed their tune: "We can use NHL players? Oh hell yeah, we totally embraced that idea, maybe we can win a Gold Medal again." Hypocrites


Wait, it's wrong to complain that Russians could bring pros when we couldn't?

And then proposing that everyone be allowed to do that is also wrong?

All we're asking for is it to be fair. But yeah, call us names. That's cool.
 
2014-02-25 05:18:34 PM

Apatheist: stir22: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

I think my lasting impression will be this goal here a couple of weeks ago.

As my one friend said, who knows as much about hockey as any of us:
"If I was his teammate, during intermission I would have choked him up against a locker after seeing that."

Agreed.

Likewise, as my coworker said, who is just getting into hockey the last few months:
"I love that Karlsson guy on my fantasy team. Dude gets like 6 points a game."

Touché

not following this......what happened?

He's #65 for the Senators, to the goalie's left of the net.  Watch his halfhearted defensive efforts.


ah, gotcha.   hey, thanks man!!!
 
2014-02-25 05:21:26 PM

Apatheist: stir22: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I hope he's just miffed and running his mouth. But I doubt it.

Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

I think my lasting impression will be this goal here a couple of weeks ago.

As my one friend said, who knows as much about hockey as any of us:
"If I was his teammate, during intermission I would have choked him up against a locker after seeing that."

Agreed.

Likewise, as my coworker said, who is just getting into hockey the last few months:
"I love that Karlsson guy on my fantasy team. Dude gets like 6 points a game."

Touché

not following this......what happened?

He's #65 for the Senators, to the goalie's left of the net.  Watch his halfhearted defensive efforts.


Karlsson  giveth and Karlsson taketh away but I think his defensive play has backslide a bit since the Norris (and big injury). Part of the problem is he's small and he can't bang enough and the other is Ottawa just isn't that good and he's taking too many risks. Some of the giveaways/let ups are ridiculous. That said, I never want him traded.

He was named the best defensemen at the Olympics for a reason but he's an offensive specialist, warts and all.
 
2014-02-25 05:25:52 PM
TheSlothAlive:

Karlsson  giveth and Karlsson taketh away but I think his defensive play has backslide a bit since the Norris (and big injury). Part of the problem is he's small and he can't bang enough and the other is Ottawa just isn't that good and he's taking too many risks. Some of the giveaways/let ups are ridiculous. That said, I never want him traded.

He was named the best defensemen at the Olympics for a reason but he's an offensive specialist, warts and all.


I definitely agree with that.  I think the right partner(Cowan maybe?) would help cover some of his imperfections or at least smooth over the glaring mistakes.  Dude is amazing to watch with the puck when he's flying, but man can he ever burn you with mistakes.
 
2014-02-25 05:32:51 PM
I once was in an antique store and found a 1912 medal--either rowing or cycling.  Cannot remember now.

Didn't have the $300 back in 1989.   Would have been sort off interesting for the wall, but oh, well.
 
2014-02-25 05:35:08 PM

Flappyhead: TheSlothAlive:

Karlsson  giveth and Karlsson taketh away but I think his defensive play has backslide a bit since the Norris (and big injury). Part of the problem is he's small and he can't bang enough and the other is Ottawa just isn't that good and he's taking too many risks. Some of the giveaways/let ups are ridiculous. That said, I never want him traded.

He was named the best defensemen at the Olympics for a reason but he's an offensive specialist, warts and all.

I definitely agree with that.  I think the right partner(Cowan maybe?) would help cover some of his imperfections or at least smooth over the glaring mistakes.  Dude is amazing to watch with the puck when he's flying, but man can he ever burn you with mistakes.


"Fark Karlsson!" is often heard in my household but he gets way more love than hate. Cowen has looked a little tentative this season but I'm hoping he's the future and it's definitely the overall plan that he'll be the eraser for Karlsson's gaffes.
 
2014-02-25 06:09:49 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Never been a Karlsson fan, I think his Norris Trophy was B.S. to begin with.

Who would you have given it to?  Chara or Weber?  I have a hard time not giving it to Karlsson just based on his numbers, and considering the team he was on.


Obviously Karlsson's got the numbers, but personally I have never looked at it as a points race trophy.  Maybe me using "B.S." was a bit strong, but I'd like to see it celebrated as an award that goes to a guy who can dominate both ends of the ice (I grew up watching Ray Bourque as a kid - the perfect example, a guy who could serve a Datsyukian poke check at one end then a blast from the point at the other). I myself  think Weber is long overdue for a Norris. But he'll never rack up the flash of end-to-end runs or secondary assists* like Karlsson. And he'll never capture the votes of the basement bloggers with press passes who only care about stats. Now that Subban has one under his belt, I like the trend even less.

Numbers are numbers, but when you leave poor Craig Anderson (who always plays his heart out) spinning like that, it kinda tells me about Erik's devotion to his position, if not team, which is not what I feel the award should be about.

Regardless, a bit of me can certainly understand how it must feel to place Silver in hockey... it does mean you've lost, really. But the eBay comment is a bit crass to other players. Does he think Finland is rushing home to throw theirs in the toilet? Does he think a blacklisted guy like Carl Soderberg wouldn't take a Silver? I'll chalk it up to being pissed that Sweden got jobbed on the Backstrom suspension.

* I remember the year he won, someone on YouTube cut an edit of all his assists (59?) that season, claiming many were secondary. Sure enough, I remember being shocked at how many were just him getting mugged and flailing the puck up the glass in a panic, having it corralled deftly by Alfredsson who then would make a nifty feed to Spezza or whoever for the goal off the rush. Couldn't find the vid for sake of this discussion, though. I guess if you throw enough hail mary's, someone will reel a few in.
 
2014-02-25 06:15:44 PM

Cheesehead_Dave: [scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x960]

No big surprise

/Leafs fan

/Going back to my corner now
 
2014-02-25 06:39:49 PM

Cheesehead_Dave: [scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x960]


But Jay Bouwmeester was born in Edmonton, so we're going to take that as 1 Gold.
 
2014-02-25 06:43:59 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Ted_Crisp: The Norris has basically become an award for the highest scoring d-man, instead of the best d-man. See Subban, PK.

That's not really true though.  It didn't go to the following highest scorers:

2013: Kris Letang (same points as PK, fewer games)
2011: Lubomir Visnovsky
2010: Mike Green
2009: Mike Green
2007: Scott Niedermeyer
2004: Sergei Gonchar
2003: Al MacInnis
2002: Sergei Gonchar (same points as Lidstrom, fewer games)
2001: Brian Leetch
2000: Niklas Lidstrom
1998: Niklas Lidstrom

So over the last 15 years, it went to the highest-scoring D-man in 2012, 2008, 2006, and 1999.


Thanks for this.  I've been flummoxed as to why the highest scoring defenseman always gets the Norris.  Sounds kind of oxymoronic to me.

Did Chelios get the Norris in any of those years when he had beaucoup penalty minutes?

/too lazy to look up.
 
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