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(Fox News)   Dick Cheney warns that Hagel's proposed cuts to the Army are "absolutely dangerous" and would cause long-term damage to the military. And if anybody knows about causing long-term damage to the military, it's Dick Cheney   (foxnews.com) divider line 129
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2014-02-25 09:33:18 AM  

"Dick Cheney warns that Hagel's proposed cuts to the Army are "absolutely dangerous" and would cause long-term damage to the military. And if anybody knows about causing long-term damage to the military , it's Dick Cheney"


FTFM

/slashie
//just because
 
2014-02-25 09:44:17 AM  
Shut up, Cheney, you cawk.
 
2014-02-25 09:49:25 AM  
is obama cutting the horses and bayonets budget
 
2014-02-25 09:50:31 AM  
media.salon.com
 
2014-02-25 09:50:50 AM  
This would threaten a LOT of folks bottom lines, and prevent our freedomizing a lot of folks. From his perspective it IS pretty damn dangerous. Dangerous to war profiteers and their ilk...
 
2014-02-25 09:53:29 AM  
Meanwhile, Obama:

"OK gentlemen. We leaked the news about military cuts to the American public. Dick Cheney's totally against this, so I think we can conclude it's the best idea ever. Proceed."
 
2014-02-25 09:55:16 AM  
Dick Cheney is lucky that he isn't at Fort Leavenworth or The Hague awaiting a war crimes tribunal.
 
2014-02-25 09:56:56 AM  

vernonFL: Dick Cheney is lucky that he isn't at Fort Leavenworth or The Hague awaiting a war crimes tribunal.


Maybe that's why he's afraid of downsizing the military? I mean, if we reduce the size of the US Military, the Dutch could come right in and arrest him.
 
2014-02-25 09:57:59 AM  
FOADIAF, Dick
 
2014-02-25 10:02:31 AM  
The former CEO of a huge military contractor?!?!  The HELL you say!
 
2014-02-25 10:09:30 AM  

vernonFL: Dick Cheney is lucky that he isn't at Fort Leavenworth or The Hague awaiting a war crimes tribunal.


he deserves the latter.
 
2014-02-25 10:10:26 AM  
Other than to pursue wars based on dubious morality that have few foreign policy benefits and that the US is increasingly unwilling to pay for(both in human terms and in terms of ca$h) why would we want to maintain a large army capable of acting as an occupational force?
 
2014-02-25 10:11:54 AM  
Republicans bleat on about food stamps while we waste a ridiculous amount of money on military shiat we'll never use.
 
2014-02-25 10:13:40 AM  

Mugato: Republicans bleat on about food stamps while we waste a ridiculous amount of money on military shiat we'll never use.


You also need to add in the cost of maintenance of unused assets.  Human or otherwise.  It's insanity.
 
2014-02-25 10:19:42 AM  
When he finally dies, we'll all feel a moment of disorientation as the balance of good and evil in the world swings precipitously toward good.
 
2014-02-25 10:37:15 AM  
Well, technically, he's right. It's all a matter of your worldview.

If you perceive the military as being somewhere between a tool for continually interfering in the domestic affairs of other countries and a giant teat from which your company might suck billions, then these cuts are in fact causing long-term damage to its ability to do those things.

If, on the other hand, you perceive the military as being so ridiculously overfunded that it is harming our economy and thus ironically harming the very republic it is intended to protect, then these cuts are probably just a good start, not a place to stop.

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-25 10:38:54 AM  
whistleridge:

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

Hopefully the strippers don't have nuts, but you know how it is.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-25 10:40:17 AM  
It might cause long term damage to the military industrial complex.

The military would benefit from a diet.
 
2014-02-25 10:40:41 AM  

whistleridge: Well, technically, he's right. It's all a matter of your worldview.

If you perceive the military as being somewhere between a tool for continually interfering in the domestic affairs of other countries and a giant teat from which your company might suck billions, then these cuts are in fact causing long-term damage to its ability to do those things.


And they also position themselves so they can engage in extortion when they feel it becomes necessary.  Diversify your operations and projects across multiple states.  Then when talks of cuts and contract expirations come up, yell "JOBS" to as many people as will hear you.
 
2014-02-25 10:46:09 AM  

vpb: whistleridge:

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

Hopefully the strippers don't have nuts, but you know how it is.


Have you ever been to a strip club in a military town? It can be hard to identify which  species those critters are, much less their gender.
 
2014-02-25 10:47:04 AM  

whistleridge: And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?


But people actually do use that as an argument. Cutting military spending would probably make people lose jobs. But those same people don't have any concerns about any other industry cutting unnecessary pork.
 
2014-02-25 10:54:22 AM  

MrBallou: When he finally dies, we'll all feel a moment of disorientation as the balance of good and evil in the world swings precipitously toward good.


I felt a great disturbance in the Force.  As if millions of voices cried out in joy then were suddenly silenced.  I fear something awesome has happened.
 
2014-02-25 10:54:24 AM  

Mugato: whistleridge: And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

But people actually do use that as an argument. Cutting military spending would probably make people lose jobs. But those same people don't have any concerns about any other industry cutting unnecessary pork.


Sure, but shouldn't businesses position themselves better?  As I said earlier, they intentionally create the jobs dilemma because it's an effective tool for leverage.  And it's not like the government's going anywhere.  It's a guaranteed supplier of business.  Why compete?  Why diversify the business for flexibility over time?  No need.
 
2014-02-25 10:54:34 AM  
Shouldn't you be rotting in hell by now, Cheney, you goddamn war criminal piece of sh*t?
 
2014-02-25 10:55:07 AM  

whistleridge: And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending [...] these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?


especially if you have already bought several support the troops magnet ribbons
 
2014-02-25 10:55:21 AM  

Calmamity: Shouldn't you be rotting in hell by now, Cheney, you goddamn war criminal piece of sh*t?


God doesn't want him, and the Devil's afraid he'll take over.
 
2014-02-25 10:55:29 AM  

Mugato: whistleridge: And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

But people actually do use that as an argument. Cutting military spending would probably make people lose jobs. But those same people don't have any concerns about any other industry cutting unnecessary pork.


Meh.

The flaw in this logic is that 'jobs' are perceived to be a zero-sum game. 'Oh noes! This poor enlightened soul hath lost his JOB at the 7-11, because Ft. Hood hath been downsized! Surely this rare and precious angel shalt never find another!'

Horseshiat.

If you're on the low end of the spectrum, you'll just go find another low end job. It might be in another town, but...if you're working base support, you might want the change of scenery anyway. At the other end, if you're the chip designer who helps produce those avionics in that plane they don't want anymore...I'm pretty sure your skill set will keep you out of the bread line.

All BRAC will do is shuffle things around a bit. Life will go on, and for every person that has a hard time at first, someone else will probably be better off. Because that money that was being spent on tanks in mothballs will now be spent on school lunches, or to give people on disability a small COLA increase, or just to pay down the debt.

It all goes around, except in the narrow worldview of the military-industrial complex. Then, any and all cuts are a DISASTER SECOND ONLY TO LOSING THE COLD WAR TO THE COMMIES GOD BLESS MURICA!!
 
2014-02-25 10:58:00 AM  

whistleridge: vpb: whistleridge:

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

Hopefully the strippers don't have nuts, but you know how it is.

Have you ever been to a strip club in a military town? It can be hard to identify which  species those critters are, much less their gender.


I first learned about the warning signs of tranny hookers from my fellow officers while in the Navy.  Never bothered to ask:  how did THEY know in the first place??
 
2014-02-25 10:58:38 AM  
Christ what an asshole.
 
2014-02-25 11:00:27 AM  

whistleridge: All BRAC will do is shuffle things around a bit.


Not up here.  A lot of people find it hard to move to a whole new part of the country when they're already struggling.  When Loring closed shop, unemployment (at least, around Limestone, ME) skyrocketed and has never recovered.  Now, if you're talking about places like Pease AFB, which has Portland or Boston nearby, then, yeah, it's easier to shift the load around a bit.
 
2014-02-25 11:05:05 AM  
Don't tell me he's already used up the last Northrop XR Robotic Heart he got.
 
2014-02-25 11:05:17 AM  

xanadian: whistleridge: All BRAC will do is shuffle things around a bit.

Not up here.  A lot of people find it hard to move to a whole new part of the country when they're already struggling.  When Loring closed shop, unemployment (at least, around Limestone, ME) skyrocketed and has never recovered.  Now, if you're talking about places like Pease AFB, which has Portland or Boston nearby, then, yeah, it's easier to shift the load around a bit.


That truly stinks, but (and I genuinely mean no offense) the reason unemployment has been high is because there simply isn't a reason for many people to live in that area. In the 250 years that that area was populated before the base was built, the few people that lived there were all farmers who led depressing Robert Frost-type lives. Now, the farming is gone, and the base is gone, and they're still hanging around. Since there's still nothing there, they either need to resign themselves to insolvency, or move. 

Either way, that has nothing to do with national defense. It would be cheaper by far to close the base, mail everyone in town a paycheck, and have the Air Force go about its business elsewhere. That is literally a description of a group losing their welfare and no knowing how to respond.

On a macro level. On a human level, it sucks hard. It's easy to say 'just move, biatch', but when that's where you and all your family and friends have lived for decades...
 
2014-02-25 11:06:06 AM  

whistleridge: The flaw in this logic....


Some of these bases bring a lot of money into an area and in some cases are the principal employer in the area. If a defense factory employing 10,000 people making ammo for the army goes out of business out in bumfark Kansas the loss of those jobs aren't going to get made up with what Wendy's by the highway pays(especially since most of their business came from the factory) and school lunch subsidies.
 
2014-02-25 11:13:18 AM  

Voiceofreason01: whistleridge: The flaw in this logic....

Some of these bases bring a lot of money into an area and in some cases are the principal employer in the area. If a defense factory employing 10,000 people making ammo for the army goes out of business out in bumfark Kansas the loss of those jobs aren't going to get made up with what Wendy's by the highway pays(especially since most of their business came from the factory) and school lunch subsidies.


You're right. It won't. At least not in that town. They should be thankful they live in a country free and prosperous enough to allow them to move.

I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but life is tough. Cuts have to come from somewhere, and there will always be human consequences. It's a sort of societal withdrawal symptom, as we attempt to cut our collective addiction to military spending.

In the case of bumfark Kansas, though, I'm pretty unsympathetic. Those folks (and pretty much everywhere else there's a military base) vote so deeply red their hair bleeds. They VOTED for cutbacks. It's NIMBY effect: budgets need to get smaller, even if hard cuts have to be made, but those cuts shouldn't effect  me.

Stupidity has a price too.
 
2014-02-25 11:15:58 AM  
I'm just glad Dick Cheney was born an American. In this country his sociopathic, despotic nature was reigned in because that type of personality can't be elected directly, he had to attach himself to a more gullible, likeable facade. If he were from another country he probably would have ended up a despot racking up one hell of a body count as he started wars and quieted dissidents.

/always find the silver lining.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:28 AM  
Dick Cheney warns that Hagel's proposed cuts to the Army are "absolutely dangerous" and would cause long-term damage to the military Cheney's Halliburton stock.
 
2014-02-25 11:19:21 AM  
fox rushes out to find the person with the most laughable credibility to speak on the subject, basically par for the course.
 
2014-02-25 11:21:46 AM  
plain & simple: FUCARK HIM!

he is not allowed to participate in any conversations about war.
there are countless grieving families because of this man and it did NOT have to happen.

FARK HIM!!!
 
2014-02-25 11:22:37 AM  

MrBallou: When he finally dies, we'll all feel a moment of disorientation as the balance of good and evil in the world swings precipitously toward good.


I've never understood why we waste perfectly good medical resources on this walking sack of puke.
 
2014-02-25 11:22:41 AM  
The man who's plans were such failures that George farking Bush stopped taking his calls.
 
2014-02-25 11:22:52 AM  
i134.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-25 11:23:00 AM  

whistleridge: You're right. It won't. At least not in that town. They should be thankful they live in a country free and prosperous enough to allow them to move.


Not everybody has the money to just move. Especially the guy who's working at Wendy's-out-by-the-highway that relies on traffic generated by the base. On a macro scale it doesn't make sense to be spending a huge amount of money to maintain a large fighting force that we don't need. But on a small scale it can really hurt people when some of these bases or facilities or factories are closed and while that might not be a good enough reason to keep spending as much as we are on defense it's also not a situation that should be ignored.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:49 AM  
Dick Cheney, kindly shut the f*ck up, then hurry up and die. The world will instantly become a better place.

/yeah, I went there
 
2014-02-25 11:24:50 AM  

Voiceofreason01: whistleridge: The flaw in this logic....

Some of these bases bring a lot of money into an area and in some cases are the principal employer in the area. If a defense factory employing 10,000 people making ammo for the army goes out of business out in bumfark Kansas the loss of those jobs aren't going to get made up with what Wendy's by the highway pays(especially since most of their business came from the factory) and school lunch subsidies.


Businesses go bust all the time. The US government put itself on unsustainable footing re: the war budget, and now we're having to make painful cuts to roll back those errors.

But at least they've still got access to health insurance, and it's cheaper than it otherwise would have been. Now to work on getting UI for them as well while they look for new work or relocate.

// which brings up a decent idea: what about a stipend, paid on top of any UI benefits, for the unemployed to relocate to a less-depressed area?
// you'd have to clarify what "less-depressed" means (lower U3 by .5 points? Toward a city? Moving because a new offer came through?), but it takes away a key limit to finding work while also encouraging mobility (which is good, no?)
 
2014-02-25 11:26:56 AM  

whistleridge: Well, technically, he's right. It's all a matter of your worldview.

If you perceive the military as being somewhere between a tool for continually interfering in the domestic affairs of other countries and a giant teat from which your company might suck billions, then these cuts are in fact causing long-term damage to its ability to do those things.

If, on the other hand, you perceive the military as being so ridiculously overfunded that it is harming our economy and thus ironically harming the very republic it is intended to protect, then these cuts are probably just a good start, not a place to stop.

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?


The entirety of eastern NC, outside of the touristy parts, is funded by the federal government, due to all the military bases.
 
2014-02-25 11:27:17 AM  

qorkfiend: Dick Cheney warns that Hagel's proposed cuts to the Army are "absolutely dangerous" and would cause long-term damage to Cheney's Halliburton stock.


This. Think of all the Free SpeechTM we would deprive him of... and all those SuperPAC checks that would go unwritten as a result.
 
2014-02-25 11:27:42 AM  
motivational-ish.com
 
2014-02-25 11:27:52 AM  
"...proposed cuts to the Army are "absolutely dangerous" and would cause long-term damage..." to the portfolios of people who own stock in General Dynamics, Lockheed, Boeing, Rockwell International, Raytheon, et al.
 
2014-02-25 11:27:58 AM  

Voiceofreason01: whistleridge: You're right. It won't. At least not in that town. They should be thankful they live in a country free and prosperous enough to allow them to move.

Not everybody has the money to just move. Especially the guy who's working at Wendy's-out-by-the-highway that relies on traffic generated by the base. On a macro scale it doesn't make sense to be spending a huge amount of money to maintain a large fighting force that we don't need. But on a small scale it can really hurt people when some of these bases or facilities or factories are closed and while that might not be a good enough reason to keep spending as much as we are on defense it's also not a situation that should be ignored.


You're right. They don't. Surely no one in the US could figure out a way to move themselves and their families to more prosperous areas in a time of recession.
 
2014-02-25 11:30:22 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: whistleridge: Well, technically, he's right. It's all a matter of your worldview.

If you perceive the military as being somewhere between a tool for continually interfering in the domestic affairs of other countries and a giant teat from which your company might suck billions, then these cuts are in fact causing long-term damage to its ability to do those things.

If, on the other hand, you perceive the military as being so ridiculously overfunded that it is harming our economy and thus ironically harming the very republic it is intended to protect, then these cuts are probably just a good start, not a place to stop.

And if you're someone whose paycheck depends either directly or indirectly on military spending - everyone from JCS to the lowliest E-1 to the guy who runs the used car lot right outside the base entrance to the strippers that take in hundreds every Friday night - these cuts are probably a mixed bag: good in theory, but dammit...why do  I have to be the one who takes the shot in the nuts?

The entirety of eastern NC, outside of the touristy parts, is funded by the federal government, due to all the military bases.


I know. I grew up in the Outer Banks. I LOVED living in OBX. I would give a nut to be able to live there.

Sadly, neither I nor my parents are rich, and there are simply no jobs in that area. Unlike them I don't have to clean toilets for a living. So I had to move. It wasn't a fun choice, but it definitely beats living broke, alcoholic, and depressed in a place you love but can no longer afford.
 
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