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2014-02-25 09:50:22 AM
This thread has been done.
 
2014-02-25 09:51:08 AM
But where are the nipples?
 
2014-02-25 09:51:55 AM
Can it stop bullets? Casue if it can't, it's useless
 
2014-02-25 09:52:02 AM
I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".
 
2014-02-25 09:53:26 AM
If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.
 
2014-02-25 09:54:42 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


Epic lolz
 
2014-02-25 09:55:52 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Guaranteed for the life of the user.
 
2014-02-25 09:57:06 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


Fourteen unbelievable ways that Shakin_Haitian will murder all of you, and it's pretty awesome.
 
2014-02-25 09:58:05 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


If wearing that suit, no you won't.
 
2014-02-25 09:59:12 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


www.firedaily.com
 
2014-02-25 09:59:52 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.

Fourteen unbelievable ways that Shakin_Haitian will murder all of you, and it's pretty awesome.

(Featured Partner)
 
2014-02-25 10:01:34 AM
What if someone attacks him with a point-ed stick?
 
2014-02-25 10:01:45 AM
www.blogcdn.com
meh.  Wake me when he makes an IRL Iron Man suit.

/Hurtibise is crazy in the best way.
 
2014-02-25 10:02:45 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: What if someone attacks him with a point-ed stick?


Don't go getting all high and mighty.
 
2014-02-25 10:03:00 AM
Perfect for beating up protesters without getting hurt, authoritarian regimes everywhere can buy them for their goons. How do you like your efforts now hobbit nerd?
 
2014-02-25 10:03:26 AM
static.bips.channel4.com
 
2014-02-25 10:04:15 AM
Damn you fireclown!
 
2014-02-25 10:04:29 AM
 
2014-02-25 10:05:25 AM
Faeg i-varv dîn na lanc a nu ranc.
 
2014-02-25 10:08:55 AM
This is bullshiat for nerds who collect swords.  Tell us when it's bulletproof.
 
2014-02-25 10:10:57 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


That post was pretty awesome.
 
2014-02-25 10:12:29 AM

topcon: This is bullshiat for nerds who collect swords.  Tell us when it's bulletproof.


... and if someone does develop bullet resistant armor that doesn't kill your mobility you'll push the goal posts back and want repulsors, jets, and an ARC reactor on it too.

You're not wrong necessarily to question the actual utility of this or other such armor in this modern age however.
 
2014-02-25 10:12:37 AM
Effective demonstration of being able to take a blunt attack.  BUT:

1) Did not see any slashing or piercing attacks.

2) Did not see any real gymnastics performed in video.

3) Did not see any attacks aimed at the joints.

Conclusion:

Not particularly better than standard body armor.

You want to impress me, then either use a knife/spear, do some handstands etc., or show the guy hitting your elbow or at least the hip.  (where they had to use soft, flexible stuff, rather than hard plastics)
 
2014-02-25 10:20:48 AM
I was sad to learn that it's not a suit made of bats.
 
2014-02-25 10:21:18 AM

tarkin1: Effective demonstration of being able to take a blunt attack.  BUT:

1) Did not see any slashing or piercing attacks.

2) Did not see any real gymnastics performed in video.

3) Did not see any attacks aimed at the joints.

Conclusion:

Not particularly better than standard body armor.

You want to impress me, then either use a knife/spear, do some handstands etc., or show the guy hitting your elbow or at least the hip.  (where they had to use soft, flexible stuff, rather than hard plastics)


there's carbon nanofiber fabrics that can do that. and stop bullets. but they're really expensive. REALLY expensive. but nothing a Bruce Wayne couldn't buy or even develop himself.
 
2014-02-25 10:21:28 AM
Great idea.

If you want to get killed.

One of the reasons that police and military don't wear full combat armour NOW, is that it slows you down. This tech has been out for years. I don't want to wear something that's going to impedes my vision or hearing. I don't want something that's hot, cold, or cumbersome. And to make it bullet resistant, you'd have to add weight.

Sure, it's nice to look at, but there isn't a practical use outside of riot control.
 
2014-02-25 10:22:05 AM

cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".


I wouldn't.  The military is only interested in acquiring inexpensive, mass producible armor that will protect a soldier's vital areas 90% of the time and little else.  It's not going to spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars required to create fully articulate suites of armor that would have to be tailor fit to each individual solder.
 
2014-02-25 10:23:53 AM

cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".


I *do* make actual combat equipment for the military. This thing is just a combat training suit for the crowd that's made it out of their mom's basement and into the local mall dojo. Military/police training is mostly done in Red Suits, and I'm guessing that will continue as those are relatively inexpensive and a lot more forgiving on the fit. This kit looks like it's pretty substantially customized to the user.

There is constantly work going on to make combat armor that is more anatomically shaped, lighter, more effective and more mobile. The technical challenge is splitting armor along the functional bits of the human body so as to allow movement. Given how those junctions also often contain some super delicate anatomy, it's a difficult problem to solve - notice how this suit totally forgoes even attempting to protect the proximal medial thigh area (i.e. left and right of his nut sack). Not only does an injury here impair mobility severely, it also leaves the femoral artery vulnerable (a common combat injury).

If anyone remembers from a few years back, when parents were literally buying their sons "better" body armor when they deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan, there was a hubbub about something called Dragon Skin armor. It was basically a bunch of hexagon shaped ceramic disks held together in an overlapping mesh and the Army ordered it all off the battlefield, causing a minor outrage. Turns out, while the Dragon Skin marketing material was fantastically effective, what they didn't tell you was that once an area was hit (thus busting the ceramic hexagon bits in that area), a full quarter of the face of Dragon Skin became as effective as a sheet of paper for the *next* round/shrapnel behind it.

Both large and small outfits have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into building better armor. These guys aren't it.
 
2014-02-25 10:26:19 AM
Poor guy in TF Comments fighting a losing battle against the headline

The suit isn't intended as self defense street-wear, it's specifically for armed combat sports.

The suit isn't intended as self defense street-wear, it's specifically designed for armed combat sports competition.

The UWM armor is specifically designed for armed combat sports competition, using relatively safe weapon simulators. It's not intended for any form of real-life self defense or close-combat.

No - referring to the UWM suits as "Batman's perfect Batsuit" was a choice by Meredith Woerner in posting on io9. It has nothing to do with the official promotion for the suits.

The object isn't to become part of "MMA proper", it's to start a new armed combat sport league, comparable to MMA in that it's open to all styles
 
2014-02-25 10:33:52 AM

StrangeQ: cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".

I wouldn't.  The military is only interested in acquiring inexpensive, mass producible armor that will protect a soldier's vital areas 90% of the time and little else.  It's not going to spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars required to create fully articulate suites of armor that would have to be tailor fit to each individual solder.


You're not wrong, but at least the people that make those know more about actual armor than the props and costumes department at MGM.
 
2014-02-25 10:34:24 AM
My one small trick for murdering you all

brayfordoracle.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-25 10:37:40 AM

psychometrix: The suit isn't intended as self defense street-wear, it's specifically for armed combat sports.


I'm just happy I live in a future where self driving cars, broadband information transfer and combat sports armor are things.
 
2014-02-25 10:43:27 AM

grinding_journalist: psychometrix: The suit isn't intended as self defense street-wear, it's specifically for armed combat sports.

I'm just happy I live in a future where self driving cars, broadband information transfer and combat sports armor are things.


Well said
 
2014-02-25 10:43:46 AM
I'm reminded of the ads for the computer game where somebody praises the way the authentic way the unicorns were rendered.
 
2014-02-25 10:44:50 AM

fireclown: [www.blogcdn.com image 280x400]
meh.  Wake me when he makes an IRL Iron Man suit.

/Hurtibise is crazy in the best way.


// older school says "WHAT?!"
 
2014-02-25 10:46:04 AM
Well, that was awkward. [robot-jox.jpg]

// a 1989 film, about a future where "wars" are fought by men in mech-suits, one-on-one for all the marbles
 
2014-02-25 10:48:32 AM
And by real, we mean fake but looks cool.
 
2014-02-25 10:48:47 AM

psychometrix: The object isn't to become part of "MMA proper", it's to start a new armed combat sport league, comparable to MMA in that it's open to all styles


I would be the last person on here to endorse MMA as it exists now. What you're talking about makes perfect sense.

Twenty years from now, will MMA have morphed into something with stronger weapons? MUCH stronger weapons?
BattleBots combined with MMA is basically ... well. You know.
 
2014-02-25 10:48:51 AM

Crudbucket: Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.

Epic lolz


Neil Degrassi Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and its hilarious.
 
2014-02-25 10:53:55 AM
This armor's a few hundred years late. "Our armor allows for mobility!" Yeah, so does literally every other kind of useful armor ever made. You can do acrobatics in plate mail - if your range of movement was restricted, then there would be no reason to wear it in the first place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4
 
2014-02-25 11:02:14 AM
I would rather have come into this thread and seen a hot chick in a cat suit... so...

images.monstermarketplace.com
 
2014-02-25 11:07:37 AM
I think people are mistaking the purpose of this armor.  Despite the io9 headline, this stuff is about creating better pads for full combat martial arts.  The idea is to create a protective garment that will allow people to smack each other with staffs, batons, full strength kicks, etc.

In other words, this is better SPORT gear, not intended for military or police (or batman) purposes.  It's not for beating up thugs, it's for beating up your buddy with a waster using full strength blows and not breaking him or her.

And from THAT perspective, it also looks like it has a few problems.
-The gorget piece looks like it's not high enough to protect the throat from a shot glancing up from the chest.  Though I can't tell if the helmet locks into the breast plate, if it does then that would solve the issue.
-It looks like they haven't solved the issue with the pauldrons restricting you from lifting your arms above your shoulders.
-Big gap between the pauldron and the breastplate
-There is no protection for the front of the hips, and let me personally assure you that it SUCKS to take a shot in the hip flexors.  Get some Cuisses or at least tassets.
-The leg armor is supported by a pretty skinny looking waist belt, I bet that'll dig in like a mofo.  You want a nice wide belt to support the weight on your hips.  Or, even better, have it secure to the torso piece and support the weight with your shoulders.
-All those cool looking ridges and armor sections on the breastplate have got to go.  You want blows to glance off, not stick in a crack.


It does look a lot more flexible and comfortable than a steel kit, I'll give them full credit for that.  And most of the problems I listed above also existed in the armor I wore.  And it certainly looks like it'll be more pleasant to ride a horse wearing that stuff (with the possible exception of the cup, that might suck a lot on a saddle).
 
2014-02-25 11:12:23 AM

abhorrent1: Can it stop bullets? Casue if it can't, it's useless


""real""
 
2014-02-25 11:14:03 AM
I like what the Thai boxer said. Something like "I can hit him as hard as I like and I don`t have to worry about him. It`s also nice to have something firm to kick against. Good for the knuckles. Very nice."


Also, hit him on the hips. That is all.
 
2014-02-25 11:20:57 AM

Running a-puck: I think people are mistaking the purpose of this armor.  Despite the io9 headline, this stuff is about creating better pads for full combat martial arts.  The idea is to create a protective garment that will allow people to smack each other with staffs, batons, full strength kicks, etc.

In other words, this is better SPORT gear, not intended for military or police (or batman) purposes.  It's not for beating up thugs, it's for beating up your buddy with a waster using full strength blows and not breaking him or her.

And from THAT perspective, it also looks like it has a few problems.
-The gorget piece looks like it's not high enough to protect the throat from a shot glancing up from the chest.  Though I can't tell if the helmet locks into the breast plate, if it does then that would solve the issue.
-It looks like they haven't solved the issue with the pauldrons restricting you from lifting your arms above your shoulders.
-Big gap between the pauldron and the breastplate
-There is no protection for the front of the hips, and let me personally assure you that it SUCKS to take a shot in the hip flexors.  Get some Cuisses or at least tassets.
-The leg armor is supported by a pretty skinny looking waist belt, I bet that'll dig in like a mofo.  You want a nice wide belt to support the weight on your hips.  Or, even better, have it secure to the torso piece and support the weight with your shoulders.
-All those cool looking ridges and armor sections on the breastplate have got to go.  You want blows to glance off, not stick in a crack.

It does look a lot more flexible and comfortable than a steel kit, I'll give them full credit for that.  And most of the problems I listed above also existed in the armor I wore.  And it certainly looks like it'll be more pleasant to ride a horse wearing that stuff (with the possible exception of the cup, that might suck a lot on a saddle).


I'm still waiting on them to develop something like this for American murderball, i.e. football
 
2014-02-25 11:21:23 AM

dready zim: lso, hit him on the hips. That is all.


Yeah came in to say that.  First, could they have found a THINNER stick to use?  Second, with that thin stick, why not gouge at all that exposed leg/hip?  Third, remarkable that with the batcowl in place the guy BARELY MOVES, and when he actually has to move a bit for the second video, the mask/helmet has to come off.

Don't know if this was sponsored or not, but it wasn't impressive.

/don't know anything about fighting or armor
 
2014-02-25 11:35:22 AM

Running a-puck: I think people are mistaking the purpose of this armor.  Despite the io9 headline, this stuff is about creating better pads for full combat martial arts.  The idea is to create a protective garment that will allow people to smack each other with staffs, batons, full strength kicks, etc.

In other words, this is better SPORT gear, not intended for military or police (or batman) purposes.  It's not for beating up thugs, it's for beating up your buddy with a waster using full strength blows and not breaking him or her.

And from THAT perspective, it also looks like it has a few problems.
-The gorget piece looks like it's not high enough to protect the throat from a shot glancing up from the chest.  Though I can't tell if the helmet locks into the breast plate, if it does then that would solve the issue.
-It looks like they haven't solved the issue with the pauldrons restricting you from lifting your arms above your shoulders.
-Big gap between the pauldron and the breastplate
-There is no protection for the front of the hips, and let me personally assure you that it SUCKS to take a shot in the hip flexors.  Get some Cuisses or at least tassets.
-The leg armor is supported by a pretty skinny looking waist belt, I bet that'll dig in like a mofo.  You want a nice wide belt to support the weight on your hips.  Or, even better, have it secure to the torso piece and support the weight with your shoulders.
-All those cool looking ridges and armor sections on the breastplate have got to go.  You want blows to glance off, not stick in a crack.

It does look a lot more flexible and comfortable than a steel kit, I'll give them full credit for that.  And most of the problems I listed above also existed in the armor I wore.  And it certainly looks like it'll be more pleasant to ride a horse wearing that stuff (with the possible exception of the cup, that might suck a lot on a saddle).


All of this is true.  I created about half of my armor when heavy fighting in the SCA. There was a lot of trial and error (error meaning armor bite and bruises).  The thing that popped for me was there is little to no butt protection.  I remember getting hit their by a little women who had the whippiest shot. She was fast and really strong I don't think I even knew what happened, I just yelled good and laid on the ground for a while I could barely sit down (and I had a 5 hour drive back home to Phoenix).
 
2014-02-25 11:35:23 AM
My main kvetch is that they're just standing there hitting each other. Unless they make it against the rules of the sport, the intelligent thing to do is to try to enter on a parry or strike and take the other guy to the ground, Fiore-style. Doubly so if you're wearing armor.
 
2014-02-25 11:37:14 AM
m855
checkmate.
 
2014-02-25 11:39:57 AM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


gagnamite.com
 
2014-02-25 11:44:57 AM

SVenus: psychometrix: The object isn't to become part of "MMA proper", it's to start a new armed combat sport league, comparable to MMA in that it's open to all styles

I would be the last person on here to endorse MMA as it exists now. What you're talking about makes perfect sense.

Twenty years from now, will MMA have morphed into something with stronger weapons? MUCH stronger weapons?
BattleBots combined with MMA is basically ... well. You know.


What's your problem with MMA? It's not any better or worse than kickboxing, boxing, etc. and the owner takes relatively good care of his fighters.

I'd say if we can develop some type of protected full martial arts armor, which allows the use of weapons without being fatal, crippling, or more dangerous than MMA, we will probably see that sport take off, but I doubt it will completely replace MMA, or some 'unarmed' variant regardless of what it is named.
 
2014-02-25 11:45:05 AM

Shakin_Haitian: My one small trick for murdering you all

[brayfordoracle.files.wordpress.com image 850x1048]


...and it's pretty awesome.

Also, that suit is useless.  Killed that dude's speed and mobility.
 
2014-02-25 11:53:32 AM
MMA is popular the same reason why NASCAR is popular. The sports themselves no one really cares about, it is that glorious wreck, block, broken bones, and catastrophe that people pay to see. Any sport that makes things safer, will not be as popular. While participation numbers may go up, if the popularity relies on spectators, ultimately it will fail. Compare the so-called Point-Fighting martial arts leagues to the UFC and it isn't even close in comparison.
 
2014-02-25 12:11:10 PM

cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".


I don't think a defense contractor has tried to design full body armor designed for melee combat in 400 years.  The closest thing the military uses is the cumbersome, full-body EOD suits.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-25 12:25:30 PM
Troy Hurtuboise seen quietly weeping into his hands after already inventing a better one of these.

Poor guy.  Wonder what it feels like to build that mousetrap and the world just kicks you innanuts and moves on.
 
2014-02-25 12:26:29 PM
Fake.
 
2014-02-25 12:31:53 PM
Running a-puck:
And from THAT perspective, it also looks like it has a few problems.

First, this is a good post.  It's nice to see another veteran of armored horseback stupidity here on Fark (I just do infantry combat these days; current harness pics in profile).


-The gorget piece looks like it's not high enough to protect the throat from a shot glancing up from the chest.  Though I can't tell if the helmet locks into the breast plate, if it does then that would solve the issue.

It looks like the gorget piece extends outward far enough that most of the helm simply rests inside the arc of the gorget, giving an overlapping layer that would only be vulnerable from a downward-arcing thrust from a fairly narrow weapon.  The exception is under the chin, but I need a close-up of that area to see the protection there.

-It looks like they haven't solved the issue with the pauldrons restricting you from lifting your arms above your shoulders.

We don't see it in the video, but I don't think he's actually restricted from doing that.  There's a gap between the pauldrons and the cuirass, and the hinge point is set in such a way that he SHOULD be able to lift his arms that high.  There's just nowhere in the videos where he actually does so.  To be honest, those are much closer to Germanic spaulders than they are true pauldrons, since there's no wing overlapping his backplate.
 -There is no protection for the front of the hips, and let me personally assure you that it SUCKS to take a shot in the hip flexors.  Get some Cuisses or at least tassets.


Agreed.  Dude needs tassets.  However, everybody complaining that his joints are open...there's one suit of armor on the PLANET that gives complete plate protection in the joints.  This armor here was made for King Henry (and researched by NASA when developing spacesuits).  The fact that the armor in the video has open elbows and the backs of his legs are open isn't a problem with the armor - that's normal.  Some sort of tassets overlapping the breastplate and upper thighs would be helpful, though.

i.imgur.com

-The leg armor is supported by a pretty skinny looking waist belt, I bet that'll dig in like a mofo.  You want a nice wide belt to support the weight on your hips.  Or, even better, have it secure to the torso piece and support the weight with your shoulders.

I'm actually surprised they didn't contact Historic Enterprises and have them create an arming doublet for this thing.  Have a sextet of points at the base of the doublet for the cuisses to lace to, and call it a day.  They're definitely re-inventing the wheel here.

-All those cool looking ridges and armor sections on the breastplate have got to go.  You want blows to glance off, not stick in a crack.

Something I found is that deflection is MUCH less of an issue with ground combat then when getting hit by a lance.  There's so much less power in a blow only propelled by a person's arms that the necessity to deflect the blow - instead of absorbing it via armor and arming garment - is somewhat lessened.  I'm sure a lot of those armor sections (especially around the abs) are intended to simulate faulds and allow for better mobility of the core muscle groups.  So on that point, we're back to an "armor vs mobility" debate, and that's one that never gets solved.
 

Something people should note in general is that his speed and mobility LOOK lessened in the video where he spars against the Muay Thai fighter, but it's really not.  First, cameras tend to make EVERYBODY look slower (a reason why the vast majority of fights on film are sped up 10-15%, and why you can't use "stage" techniques on film without modification).  So that's giving a false impression.  Second, the armor in my profile pics are more constricting than what he's using.  My armor basically limits the extreme 5-10% of my mobility (depending on the specific movement in question).  His armor will restrict him less.  The comparative gain in protection against melee attacks FAR outweighs the loss of mobility.

And yes, you could probably take him to the ground.  Once you're down there, though, good luck putting things like locks or arm bars on him.  Armor basically negates those techniques entirely, since the construction of the armor prevents the reverse motion of most joints (elbows most notably).  Just 'cause you take a guy in armor to the ground doesn't mean he can't fight while down, and he can DAMN sure stand back up.
 
2014-02-25 12:40:49 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: topcon: This is bullshiat for nerds who collect swords.  Tell us when it's bulletproof.

... and if someone does develop bullet resistant armor that doesn't kill your mobility you'll push the goal posts back and want repulsors, jets, and an ARC reactor on it too.

You're not wrong necessarily to question the actual utility of this or other such armor in this modern age however.


It will be great for Gun-Free zones.
 
2014-02-25 12:41:02 PM
It isn't truly functional unless you need surgery to remove the cross necklace from your chest since your dumbass self forgot to take the necklace off before donning the armor.

/not obscure
//farking ants
///
 
2014-02-25 12:46:03 PM
Add some dreadlocks and it looks like the cyborgs from Mortal Kombat.
 
2014-02-25 12:47:01 PM

Running a-puck: I think people are mistaking the purpose of this armor.  Despite the io9 headline, this stuff is about creating better pads for full combat martial arts.  The idea is to create a protective garment that will allow people to smack each other with staffs, batons, full strength kicks, etc.

In other words, this is better SPORT gear, not intended for military or police (or batman) purposes.  It's not for beating up thugs, it's for beating up your buddy with a waster using full strength blows and not breaking him or her.

And from THAT perspective, it also looks like it has a few problems.
-The gorget piece looks like it's not high enough to protect the throat from a shot glancing up from the chest.  Though I can't tell if the helmet locks into the breast plate, if it does then that would solve the issue.
-It looks like they haven't solved the issue with the pauldrons restricting you from lifting your arms above your shoulders.
-Big gap between the pauldron and the breastplate
-There is no protection for the front of the hips, and let me personally assure you that it SUCKS to take a shot in the hip flexors.  Get some Cuisses or at least tassets.
-The leg armor is supported by a pretty skinny looking waist belt, I bet that'll dig in like a mofo.  You want a nice wide belt to support the weight on your hips.  Or, even better, have it secure to the torso piece and support the weight with your shoulders.
-All those cool looking ridges and armor sections on the breastplate have got to go.  You want blows to glance off, not stick in a crack.

It does look a lot more flexible and comfortable than a steel kit, I'll give them full credit for that.  And most of the problems I listed above also existed in the armor I wore.  And it certainly looks like it'll be more pleasant to ride a horse wearing that stuff (with the possible exception of the cup, that might suck a lot on a saddle).


Don't GIS.
 
2014-02-25 12:47:35 PM

kroonermanblack: What's your problem with MMA? It's not any better or worse than kickboxing, boxing, etc. and the owner takes relatively good care of his fighters.


The skills required to be good in the sport are outrageous. So, the concept of the sport itself is an honorable one.
MMA when I see it seems to be all about the career of the fighter. Tuning in when you're not a constant fan of the sport can be about as mind boggling as expecting an NFL team who's clinched the division lose to a much poorer team in the last game of the season.  You don't get the game you expected.
I respect the players, and have seem a few good matches, but the sport doesn't call out to me.

/btw it's been great reading the stuff in the thread.
 
2014-02-25 12:49:27 PM

Far Cough: /don't know anything about fighting or armor


Education incoming.


Yeah came in to say that.  First, could they have found a THINNER stick to use?

That's the correct stick to use.  Eastern staves are generally about 3/4" - 1" in diameter.  A full-strength strike to the head will concuss the hell out of you.  Dude in the armor took 3 of them and barely budged.  Armor is doing its job.


Second, with that thin stick, why not gouge at all that exposed leg/hip?

Because it's a demo to show how protective the armor is, not a competitive combat match.  If you're testing a bulletproof vest, you shoot the guy wearing the vest in the chest, not the head.

And yes, it does need hip protection (tassets).  That's a known issue.


Third, remarkable that with the batcowl in place the guy BARELY MOVES, and when he actually has to move a bit for the second video, the mask/helmet has to come off.

So, history lesson.  When an armored knight is fighting on foot, they pretty much always put their visor up if they could help it.  In fact, most of the "knights killed by arrows" stories from the time when there was a bunch of full plate armor on the battlefield (Crecy and Agincourt were NOT during that time) involve a guy getting an arrow through the face with his visor up.  The increase in visibility and ability to breathe actually outweights the benefit in protection.  Given that he was lightly sparring with the Muay Thai fighter, it stands to reason that his helm would be removed so to allow him to see and breathe more easily.  It's not a "has to come off" issue...it's an "we're just sparring and not wearing the helm is way more comfy" issue.

I absolutely guarantee that you can, in fact, fight effectively in a helm with the visor down.  It sucks, but you can do it.  Your vision is NOT as impaired as you might believe, because the oculars (eye slits) are generally quite close to your eyes.  The geometry of that means that you'll lose about 30% of your visual field, largely from around the periphery.  More importantly, when you fight, you breathe hard...and wearing a closed helm makes it very hard and humid to breathe.  There's flat-out no way around that; any enclosed head protection will have the same issue.

I'm looking forward to seeing these actually, competitively, fought in.  The article doesn't make it obvious, but these suits have inbuilt force sensors that transmit data to an external computer.  The idea is that it lets the computer judge impact and determine a disabling strike; something that's very hard to do for a human competitor under adrenaline effects.  Anybody who has watched a fighter "rhino-hide" in the SCA (ie, not take his hits and judge them fairly) will no doubt agree.
 
2014-02-25 12:49:39 PM
Anybody else spot the HULC exoskeleton (or a good mock up of it)in the new Robocop movie? I spotted it for what it was immediately.

/want a good power suit
//Or a decent mech.
 
2014-02-25 12:49:51 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Crotchrocket Slim: topcon: This is bullshiat for nerds who collect swords.  Tell us when it's bulletproof.

... and if someone does develop bullet resistant armor that doesn't kill your mobility you'll push the goal posts back and want repulsors, jets, and an ARC reactor on it too.

You're not wrong necessarily to question the actual utility of this or other such armor in this modern age however.

It will be great for Gun-Free zones.


Well if the Arkham series has taught me anything, smoke bombs, bat-hooks, and old fashioned psychological warfare is a lot more effective in avoiding getting shot than piling on another layer of kevlar.
 
2014-02-25 12:55:49 PM
Yvonne Craig.  Now that was an awesome batsuit.
 
2014-02-25 12:56:22 PM

FightDirector: That's the correct stick to use. Eastern staves are generally about 3/4" - 1" in diameter. A full-strength strike to the head will concuss the hell out of you. Dude in the armor took 3 of them and barely budged. Armor is doing its job.


Okay, thanks for the lesson.  I was just thinking of what he might encounter in the real world (as, of course, Batman; yeah I know it's not for that).  How would this suit take a baseball bat, wood or aluminum?  A crowbar?  Piece of rebar?  2x4?
 
2014-02-25 01:06:33 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [upload.wikimedia.org image 400x300]

Guaranteed for the life of the user.


awesome flashback, thx.
 
2014-02-25 01:09:05 PM

Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.


You can thank "featured partner" BuzzFeed for that one.
 
2014-02-25 01:10:46 PM

Por que tan serioso: Crudbucket: Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.

Epic lolz

Neil Degrassi Tyson trolled Gravity on Twitter and its hilarious.


Six Castles That Cost Less Than a NYC Apartment
 
2014-02-25 01:12:23 PM

Far Cough: FightDirector: That's the correct stick to use. Eastern staves are generally about 3/4" - 1" in diameter. A full-strength strike to the head will concuss the hell out of you. Dude in the armor took 3 of them and barely budged. Armor is doing its job.

Okay, thanks for the lesson.  I was just thinking of what he might encounter in the real world (as, of course, Batman; yeah I know it's not for that).  How would this suit take a baseball bat, wood or aluminum?  A crowbar?  Piece of rebar?  2x4?


Without handling it, I couldn't say for certain.  Given what I'm seeing in the videos, I'd ESTIMATE that it'd handle a 2x4 just fine (as in, you barely notice you get hit).  You'd likely get some mild bruising from a wooden baseball bat - none at all if you had a padded arming garment underneath it.  Metal bat?  Up it by one degree - you're likely to get moderate bruising without padding, very light bruising with it.  Rebar would be less effective than the baseball bat (the bat has more weight in general, AND has more weight on the striking end which increases the effective force).

That armor will 100% stop any generic knife *cut* that hits the armor (knives have very little ability to cut through even a slight amount of protection like a soft leather jacket, due to their lack of weight behind the cut).  It is likely to completely stop a stab, or at least attenuate enough of the force that instead of having a 4" knife getting 3.5" of penetration, it'd get 0.5" or so.  Something specialized like a kukri will probably cut through it and do a little damage, and something specialized like a stiletto or meisercorde will probably stab right through it...but those sorts of blades aren't generally found on the street, so fall outside the realm of your question.

Now, this is all assuming that the guy in armor is actually fighting, and the guy with the *weapon* doesn't have time to sit there and do a huge windup in perfect conditions against a stationary target.  To put my personal experience into the mix, when I'm sparring with knightofargh, he can hit me full-force with a real (blunted) sword in the helm, and I don't really notice (except for some ringing in the ears - metal helms do that), because he has to hurry and hit me before I hit him, and when he does hit me the force also goes to move my neck and stagger me to the side (it doesn't all go into the metal of the helm).  Taking the same sword, and the same helm, and put that helm on a tree stump and let him do a "perfect" swing with a bigass windup?  He'll put an inch-deep dent in the helm and possibly even break through the metal a little bit.  So apply this concept to what you're seeing the armor in the videos do.
 
2014-02-25 01:17:30 PM
It is pretty awesome!
 
2014-02-25 01:26:06 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.

You can thank "featured partner" BuzzFeed for that one.


And that's pretty awesome.
 
2014-02-25 01:28:35 PM

the money is in the banana stand: MMA is popular the same reason why NASCAR is popular. The sports themselves no one really cares about, it is that glorious wreck, block, broken bones, and catastrophe that people pay to see. Any sport that makes things safer, will not be as popular. While participation numbers may go up, if the popularity relies on spectators, ultimately it will fail. Compare the so-called Point-Fighting martial arts leagues to the UFC and it isn't even close in comparison.


True. it's not like anyone pays to watch people rassle in those sumo suits
 
2014-02-25 01:46:51 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Shakin_Haitian: If I see the phrase, "and it's pretty awesome," one more time, I will murder all of you.

You can thank "featured partner" BuzzFeed for that one.

And that's pretty awesome.


That's because in a world where Fark features BuzzFeed, this Featured Partner does things with a Style All Their Own.
 
2014-02-25 01:56:06 PM

dr-shotgun: cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".

I *do* make actual combat equipment for the military. This thing is just a combat training suit for the crowd that's made it out of their mom's basement and into the local mall dojo. Military/police training is mostly done in Red Suits, and I'm guessing that will continue as those are relatively inexpensive and a lot more forgiving on the fit. This kit looks like it's pretty substantially customized to the user.

There is constantly work going on to make combat armor that is more anatomically shaped, lighter, more effective and more mobile. The technical challenge is splitting armor along the functional bits of the human body so as to allow movement. Given how those junctions also often contain some super delicate anatomy, it's a difficult problem to solve - notice how this suit totally forgoes even attempting to protect the proximal medial thigh area (i.e. left and right of his nut sack). Not only does an injury here impair mobility severely, it also leaves the femoral artery vulnerable (a common combat injury).

If anyone remembers from a few years back, when parents were literally buying their sons "better" body armor when they deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan, there was a hubbub about something called Dragon Skin armor. It was basically a bunch of hexagon shaped ceramic disks held together in an overlapping mesh and the Army ordered it all off the battlefield, causing a minor outrage. Turns out, while the Dragon Skin marketing material was fantastically effective, what they didn't tell you was that once an area was hit (thus busting the ceramic hexagon bits in that area), a full quarter of the face of Dragon Skin became as effective as a sheet of paper for the *next* round/shrapnel behind it.

Both large and small outfits have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into building better ...


I kind of remember reading about it on Fark.  I think the Army told their soldiers not to wear the armor because of death benefit contract violations or something like that - if you got killed or seriously wounded wearing the Dragon Skin instead of standard issue equipment, then they could deny benefits...?
 
2014-02-25 02:31:33 PM
And assholes like to start sentences with and.
 
2014-02-25 03:53:27 PM

Sgt Otter: I don't think a defense contractor has tried to design full body armor designed for melee combat in 400 years.


Considering defense contractors are less than 200 years old, you're correct.
 
2014-02-25 03:59:50 PM

doglover: Sgt Otter: I don't think a defense contractor has tried to design full body armor designed for melee combat in 400 years.

Considering defense contractors are less than 200 years old, you're correct.


Wrong.  Defense contractors used to be called Blacksmiths.
 
2014-02-25 04:01:46 PM

doglover: Sgt Otter: I don't think a defense contractor has tried to design full body armor designed for melee combat in 400 years.

Considering defense contractors are less than 200 years old, you're correct.


A bronze-age smith dealing in arms and armor would technically be a defense contractor wouldn't he?
 
2014-02-25 04:39:35 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Well if the Arkham series has taught me anything, smoke bombs, bat-hooks, and old fashioned psychological warfare is a lot more effective in avoiding getting shot than piling on another layer of kevlar.


That's why someone needs to invent a mobile set of gargoyles that you can wheel in to where you need to attack bad guys. Like a giant rectangular steel frame that is about 30 feet high and has a gargoyle in each corner and two the the middle.  You wheel the contraption up to the bad guys, ask them all the get into the middle and to not look up. And if one does see you, you simply hop from gargoyle to gargoyle until they stop seeing you.
 
2014-02-25 04:46:39 PM
Here's a trip, Taiwanese special forces...
THEY ARE So AWESOME....

You will chit your pants.  I did.
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-02-25 04:50:21 PM

newton: Here's a trip, Taiwanese special forces...
THEY ARE So AWESOME....

You will chit your pants.  I did.
[i.kinja-img.com image 433x243]


Do they spin a web, any size?

/nightmarish
 
2014-02-25 06:10:48 PM
Hmm... The armpits, elbows, back of the knee and calf, groin, and butt are all exposed.
 
2014-02-25 06:13:00 PM
and then he took an arrow to the knee...
 
2014-02-25 06:24:37 PM

LaughingRadish: Hmm...

The armpits

,

That's normal when wearing armor.

elbows,

That too.

back of the knee

Again, normal.

and calf,

Ditto; though some greaves do close in the back, it's hardly universal

groin,

Easily solved, as noted at length above, by inclusion of tassets.

and butt are all exposed.

Finally, normal.

What's the problem, exactly?
 
2014-02-25 06:35:37 PM

MythDragon: Crotchrocket Slim: Well if the Arkham series has taught me anything, smoke bombs, bat-hooks, and old fashioned psychological warfare is a lot more effective in avoiding getting shot than piling on another layer of kevlar.

That's why someone needs to invent a mobile set of gargoyles that you can wheel in to where you need to attack bad guys. Like a giant rectangular steel frame that is about 30 feet high and has a gargoyle in each corner and two the the middle.  You wheel the contraption up to the bad guys, ask them all the get into the middle and to not look up. And if one does see you, you simply hop from gargoyle to gargoyle until they stop seeing you.


Dude, that was good. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
2014-02-25 06:39:53 PM
That's not Batman. That's Night Thrasher.

img.fark.net

...the skateboarding crime fighter.  Ugh.
 
2014-02-25 08:20:40 PM

Arkanaut: But where are the nipples?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-25 09:24:37 PM

newton: Here's a trip, Taiwanese special forces...
THEY ARE So AWESOME....

You will chit your pants.  I did.
[i.kinja-img.com image 433x243]


www.homestarrunner.com
 
2014-02-26 12:48:01 AM

dr-shotgun: cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".

I *do* make actual combat equipment for the military. This thing is just a combat training suit for the crowd that's made it out of their mom's basement and into the local mall dojo. Military/police training is mostly done in Red Suits, and I'm guessing that will continue as those are relatively inexpensive and a lot more forgiving on the fit. This kit looks like it's pretty substantially customized to the user.

There is constantly work going on to make combat armor that is more anatomically shaped, lighter, more effective and more mobile. The technical challenge is splitting armor along the functional bits of the human body so as to allow movement. Given how those junctions also often contain some super delicate anatomy, it's a difficult problem to solve - notice how this suit totally forgoes even attempting to protect the proximal medial thigh area (i.e. left and right of his nut sack). Not only does an injury here impair mobility severely, it also leaves the femoral artery vulnerable (a common combat injury).


Isn't that what faulds are for?
 
2014-02-26 12:55:27 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I was sad to learn that it's not a suit made of bats.


That sounds like something Lady Gaga would wear.
 
2014-02-26 03:12:07 AM
Ha ha, they sped up the video about 10%. What a douche.
 
2014-02-26 04:52:54 AM

dr-shotgun: cgraves67: I don't know...

If I were looking for a 'real' batsuit, I go to the people who make actual combat equipment for the military, not "...a LOTR and Hobbit armor specialist".

I *do* make actual combat equipment for the military. This thing is just a combat training suit for the crowd that's made it out of their mom's basement and into the local mall dojo. Military/police training is mostly done in Red Suits, and I'm guessing that will continue as those are relatively inexpensive and a lot more forgiving on the fit. This kit looks like it's pretty substantially customized to the user.

There is constantly work going on to make combat armor that is more anatomically shaped, lighter, more effective and more mobile. The technical challenge is splitting armor along the functional bits of the human body so as to allow movement. Given how those junctions also often contain some super delicate anatomy, it's a difficult problem to solve - notice how this suit totally forgoes even attempting to protect the proximal medial thigh area (i.e. left and right of his nut sack). Not only does an injury here impair mobility severely, it also leaves the femoral artery vulnerable (a common combat injury).

If anyone remembers from a few years back, when parents were literally buying their sons "better" body armor when they deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan, there was a hubbub about something called Dragon Skin armor. It was basically a bunch of hexagon shaped ceramic disks held together in an overlapping mesh and the Army ordered it all off the battlefield, causing a minor outrage. Turns out, while the Dragon Skin marketing material was fantastically effective, what they didn't tell you was that once an area was hit (thus busting the ceramic hexagon bits in that area), a full quarter of the face of Dragon Skin became as effective as a sheet of paper for the *next* round/shrapnel behind it.

Both large and small outfits have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into building better ...


Friend of Mrs. Monkey in the Nat'l Guard got to be part of a testing group for the Dragon Skin leg armor.  One of the tests was in the pool.  She told us the testers of that armor sank like stones.
 
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