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(The National Interest)   Obama has decided to play chicken with China   (nationalinterest.org ) divider line
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2014-02-25 09:47:37 AM  
Is it time to send in Colonel Sanders to deal with that unpredictable General Tso?
 
2014-02-25 09:52:24 AM  
Sam Seaborn: I'd like to try it without looking at the note.
President Bartlet: Okay.
Sam Seaborn: China agrees to stand down the war games.
President Bartlet: Right.
Sam Seaborn: And they agree to let Taiwan test the Patriots. One Patriot.
President Bartlet: Yes.
Sam Seaborn: And we... Please, I want to be right about this. We agree not to sell Taiwan the Aegis Destroyers for a period of... I don't know... five years.
President Bartlet: Ten years, but you've got it.
Sam Seaborn: Sir, the Aegis... the Aegis radar technology isn't something that... I mean, what if Taiwan did fall to China? Now they have - plus these ships cost something like $800 million apiece. Buying four of them would eat half of Taiwan's defense budget.
President Bartlet: And so...
Sam Seaborn: You never were going to sell them the destroyers.
President Bartlet: [shakes his head] But everybody wakes up alive in the morning and saves a little face.
Sam Seaborn: [amazed] I don't know how you... I don't know the word, I... don't know how you do it.
President Bartlet: You have a lot of help. You listen to everybody and then you call the play. [rises to his feet] Sam. You're gonna run for President one day. Don't be scared. You can do it. I believe in you. [looks at the board] That's checkmate.
 
2014-02-25 10:00:12 AM  
somedude210: Overused West Wing quotes

Except that China is currently in a state of identity flux. It's quest for resources has strained relations with it's neighbors, and coupled with a declining economy, a large male population problem, and the question of what to do with the military it just spent a decade modernizing. The real world is out here.
 
2014-02-25 10:04:34 AM  
Chicken with China, the Chinese chicken?
 
2014-02-25 10:07:25 AM  
Why cant these disputes be sent to the UN or some other worldwide governing body? Isn't there a long history of well defined rules regarding laws of the seas and maritime borders, etc?

We should have an independent arbitration, not a game of "chicken".
 
2014-02-25 10:11:01 AM  

vernonFL: Why cant these disputes be sent to the UN or some other worldwide governing body? Isn't there a long history of well defined rules regarding laws of the seas and maritime borders, etc?

We should have an independent arbitration, not a game of "chicken".


Go on, pull the other one.
 
2014-02-25 10:12:19 AM  
The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.
 
2014-02-25 10:15:02 AM  

vernonFL: Why cant these disputes be sent to the UN or some other worldwide governing body? Isn't there a long history of well defined rules regarding laws of the seas and maritime borders, etc?


yeah maybe they could send a un police cruiser over and knock on china's window
 
2014-02-25 10:21:15 AM  

bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.


yes, because China will never feel threatened by a Japan that can kick their ass (or at least put up a damn tough fight)

/isn't today the anniversary of "the rape of Nanking"?
 
2014-02-25 10:23:05 AM  
Chickity China, the Chinese Chicken
 
2014-02-25 10:27:29 AM  
metrouk2.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-25 10:58:25 AM  
interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"
 
2014-02-25 10:58:30 AM  
No superpower is stupid enough to threaten large scale trade.
 
2014-02-25 10:58:35 AM  
so we're back to calling Obama a naive warmongering tyrannical ineffectual leader?
 
2014-02-25 10:59:33 AM  

Lord_Baull: so we're back to calling Obama a naive warmongering tyrannical ineffectual leader?


yeah.  he'll be a pussy terrorist appeaser by Saturday, don't worry.
 
2014-02-25 10:59:34 AM  
Chicken make lousy housepet.
 
2014-02-25 11:00:27 AM  
thatwasn'tchicken.jpg
 
2014-02-25 11:01:38 AM  

WTF Indeed: somedude210: Overused West Wing quotes

Except that China is currently in a state of identity flux. It's quest for resources has strained relations with it's neighbors, and coupled with a declining economy, a large male population problem, and the question of what to do with the military it just spent a decade modernizing. The real world is out here.



yea, Red China really needs the resources.   and the Land is in short supply too.  oh, and labor is very hard to come by.

they'll walk all over US economically one day, dinky.  you need to take it easy on the FOX News injections.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:05 AM  
be careful Obama.  Red China is, in 10/15 years or so, going to be to powerful to tell what to do.  so enjoy it while you can.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:58 AM  

ManateeGag: Lord_Baull: so we're back to calling Obama a naive warmongering tyrannical ineffectual leader?

yeah.  he'll be a pussy terrorist appeaser by Saturday, don't worry.


i doubt putin will step in over china
 
2014-02-25 11:04:18 AM  

bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.



Red China wipes its ass with Japanese.   the China today is much different than the one the japs f*cked with before.
 
2014-02-25 11:05:25 AM  

MurphyMurphy: interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"



and they are Correct.   dumb ass westerners don't understand the Might of the New China.
 
2014-02-25 11:06:21 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: No superpower is stupid enough to threaten large scale trade.



[America sticks hand up: you wanted me, sir?]
 
2014-02-25 11:07:23 AM  
Oh great another foreign policy thread where the arm chair general chicken hawks talk about wars
 
2014-02-25 11:07:42 AM  

Linux_Yes: bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.


Red China wipes its ass with Japanese.   the China today is much different than the one the japs f*cked with before.


You are letting you commie loving get in the way of reality.
 
2014-02-25 11:08:09 AM  

ManateeGag: Lord_Baull: so we're back to calling Obama a naive warmongering tyrannical ineffectual leader?

yeah.  he'll be a pussy terrorist appeaser by Saturday, don't worry.

sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2014-02-25 11:09:17 AM  

I alone am best: Linux_Yes: bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.


Red China wipes its ass with Japanese.   the China today is much different than the one the japs f*cked with before.

You are letting you commie loving get in the way of reality.


Wrong.  you're living in the past China.   you need to update your reading.
 
2014-02-25 11:10:12 AM  

I alone am best: Linux_Yes: bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.


Red China wipes its ass with Japanese.   the China today is much different than the one the japs f*cked with before.

You are letting you commie loving get in the way of reality.


Not sure if serious. To what "reality" do you refer?
 
2014-02-25 11:10:26 AM  

Sybarite: Chicken with China, the Chinese chicken?


Damn you to hell.  Now I have to take my shirt off and laugh at a funeral.
 
2014-02-25 11:11:15 AM  
At least it won't be a land war.

bmoc.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-25 11:11:49 AM  

Linux_Yes: MurphyMurphy: interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"


and they are Correct.   dumb ass westerners don't understand the Might of the New China.


China is no longer a paper tiger.  It is a playdoh tiger...with toothpicks for claws.
 
2014-02-25 11:12:04 AM  
Reading Fark.com with no lights on
We're dans la maison
I hope the derpers' not in this one
 
2014-02-25 11:12:12 AM  
I imagine we'll be fostering medium scale revolts and terrorist actions within China long before they have an opportunity to project real power outward.
 
2014-02-25 11:13:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I imagine we'll be fostering medium scale revolts and terrorist actions within China long before they have an opportunity to project real power outward.


I don't think China's too worried about domestic suppression.
 
2014-02-25 11:16:04 AM  

qorkfiend: I alone am best: Linux_Yes: bdub77: The US should just be like, "OK Japan. Your turn" and just let Japan build an army of mech warriors to defend the region.


Red China wipes its ass with Japanese.   the China today is much different than the one the japs f*cked with before.

You are letting you commie loving get in the way of reality.

Not sure if serious. To what "reality" do you refer?



he's still living in the 'America will always be the lone Superpower' fantasy that FOX News feeds him.
 
2014-02-25 11:17:10 AM  
What we don't want to do is create some entente of weaklings with massive egos. We'll end up doing the fighting for the peons again. Instead of fighting for the UK, we'll end up fighting for Japan or Vietnam.

"Wall is a lacket."

--Smedrey Butrel
 
2014-02-25 11:17:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I imagine we'll be fostering medium scale revolts and terrorist actions within China long before they have an opportunity to project real power outward.


The North Korea long game...we arm them with anti-Chinese weaponry in exchange for their heavy metals.  China retaliates fomenting revolution.  We get a regional war a la Vietnam that we let a proxy fight for us.  Maybe Japan since they want to play again and it would show off their might a bit.  Their "Sea Going Airplane Carrying Search and Rescue" ships are remarkably like modern aircraft carriers.
 
2014-02-25 11:17:26 AM  
While I sincerely hope any clashes with China can be avoided, if it does happen there's some very interesting long-term effects for the US that aren't all bad.
 
2014-02-25 11:17:29 AM  

Chris Ween: Linux_Yes: MurphyMurphy: interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"


and they are Correct.   dumb ass westerners don't understand the Might of the New China.

China is no longer a paper tiger.  It is a playdoh tiger...with toothpicks for claws.



oh, look.  another mouse.  so is that why they are funding so much of our debt, homey??   among other things.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:41 AM  

qorkfiend: HotWingConspiracy: I imagine we'll be fostering medium scale revolts and terrorist actions within China long before they have an opportunity to project real power outward.

I don't think China's too worried about domestic suppression.


Even if they quell it, it's a massive distraction and money sink. It can kill expansionist ambitions.
 
2014-02-25 11:20:19 AM  

MurphyMurphy: interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"


ManateeGag: Lord_Baull: so we're back to calling Obama a naive warmongering tyrannical ineffectual leader?

yeah.  he'll be a pussy terrorist appeaser by Saturday, don't worry.


For some reason, I really enjoyed reading these two comments sequentially.
 
2014-02-25 11:21:44 AM  
Red China is going to teach 'merica that 'merica's version of 'capitalism' is not sustainable in a Global Marketplace.

the Future is not Communism.

the Future is Democratic Socialism.


oh-ah, i just heard lots of FOX Noise fans sh*t their crony capitalist jeans.
 
2014-02-25 11:22:22 AM  

Linux_Yes: Chris Ween: Linux_Yes: MurphyMurphy: interesting factoid:

In China they call it "playing cat"


and they are Correct.   dumb ass westerners don't understand the Might of the New China.

China is no longer a paper tiger.  It is a playdoh tiger...with toothpicks for claws.


oh, look.  another mouse.  so is that why they are funding so much of our debt, homey??   among other things.


China has the ability to put a large and fairly modern military together.  But it does not have the ability to fight any sustained war with them.  Half the country still lives in the Dark Ages.  This would be like the American civil war with the other world powers actually out manufacturing them (as to weapons and weaponry).

But China is able to put a modern military on the field.  Just one that doesn't have the infrastructure or industrial backing to support it the way we have, or Russia had.  Hell, even Germany, France and GB are stronger than China in that regard.

But, China may also put nukes in space...and use them.  So there is that.
 
2014-02-25 11:22:29 AM  
Remarks over the past few weeks from administration officials show a tougher line and may foreshadow "red lines" to ward off further Chinese encroachments.

Obama had better watch himself. He's running the risk of depleting the nation's strategic reserve of red lines.
 
2014-02-25 11:23:03 AM  

Linux_Yes: so is that why they are funding so much of our debt, homey??


Yes, that vast quantity of... about eight percent, compared to the seventy percent or so held by the US government and its citizens.

China holds a lot of US debt but statements like yours are founded in an incorrect view of the scale of their holdings.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:02 AM  

Linux_Yes: so is that why they are funding so much of our debt, homey??



How much is "so much"? Give me a %
 
2014-02-25 11:24:02 AM  

Cyclometh: While I sincerely hope any clashes with China can be avoided, if it does happen there's some very interesting long-term effects for the US that aren't all bad.



don't lie.  you live to see the world burn down!!   you dream of that stuff.   you want to watch it happen live on your 70 inch widescreen TV/PC monitor.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:45 AM  

jjorsett: Remarks over the past few weeks from administration officials show a tougher line and may foreshadow "red lines" to ward off further Chinese encroachments.

Obama had better watch himself. He's running the risk of depleting the nation's strategic reserve of red lines.


He's a Communist! Any line he draws is automatically red! No worries.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:54 AM  

phaseolus: Linux_Yes: so is that why they are funding so much of our debt, homey??


How much is "so much"? Give me a %



no, YOU make the effort and research it yourself.  Google News is a good place to start.
 
2014-02-25 11:25:15 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: qorkfiend: HotWingConspiracy: I imagine we'll be fostering medium scale revolts and terrorist actions within China long before they have an opportunity to project real power outward.

I don't think China's too worried about domestic suppression.

Even if they quell it, it's a massive distraction and money sink. It can kill expansionist ambitions.


If they're serious about expansionism, money won't even enter the equation. A distraction, perhaps, but I think the US is prone to underestimating the sheer amount of manpower the Chinese can field; I doubt the US would be able to foment the type and level of discord that would tie up a sizable portion of the Chinese army for an extended period of time. Additionally, the US getting that involved in domestic Chinese affairs would probably trigger a war, not defuse one.
 
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