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2014-02-25 09:46:42 AM
Brannigan's Law is like Brannigan's Love: hard and fast.
 
2014-02-25 10:20:38 AM
I do so love it when the GOP turns in on itself.

If the Tea Derpers win, the GOP is dead on the national level and reduced to the level of a regional party.

If the Establishment GOP wins, then the GOP is diminished, the base hates them and they're more willing to work with the Democrats to keep the government functioning.

Either way, the Democrats...and the country...wins.
 
2014-02-25 10:22:23 AM
That's a shame. I was hoping the GOP would nominate a bunch of unelectable candidates again this cycle.
 
2014-02-25 10:23:00 AM

Infernalist:
If the Establishment GOP wins, then the GOP is diminished, the base hates them and they're more willing to work with the Democrats to keep the government functioning.


Nah...

If the Republicans were to gain Senate control (not entirely outside the realm of possibility), the Establishment GOP would continue to Derp Hard.
 
2014-02-25 10:23:52 AM

Wellon Dowd: That's a shame. I was hoping the GOP would nominate a bunch of unelectable candidates again this cycle.



Keep your chin up, the roller coaster is just getting started
 
2014-02-25 10:26:20 AM

Infernalist: I do so love it when the GOP turns in on itself.

If the Tea Derpers win, the GOP is dead on the national level and reduced to the level of a regional party.

If the Establishment GOP wins, then the GOP is diminished, the base hates them and they're more willing to work with the Democrats to keep the government functioning.

Either way, the Democrats...and the country...wins.


IF the Tea Party wins, you say the GOP is dead on the national level. However, IF they win, they'll continue to own the House of Representin'.

If the .... um ... old GOP wins ... they won't get fooled again?

I actually want the party to tear itself to bits and a new progressive party to rise from its ashes and kick the Dems in the balls and claim the liberal/progressive stances that this country so badly needs. Since when is infrastructure, clean water, clean air, good education, good health care all bad things?
 
2014-02-25 10:27:06 AM
High school history led me to believe that a civil war would be much less entertaining than this.
 
2014-02-25 10:28:12 AM

Wellon Dowd: That's a shame. I was hoping the GOP would nominate a bunch of unelectable candidates again this cycle.


Given the stupidity of most voters, it's harder every year to come up with an unelectable candidate.
 
2014-02-25 10:29:17 AM

Nadie_AZ: I actually want the party to tear itself to bits and a new progressive party to rise from its ashes


How the hell would anything even remotely "progressive" rise from the ashes of the GOP?
 
2014-02-25 10:29:25 AM

Wellon Dowd: That's a shame. I was hoping the GOP would nominate a bunch of unelectable candidates again this cycle.


fort sumter was not a particularly bloody battle
 
2014-02-25 10:29:46 AM
So, basically the Republicans are spending as much time fighting the Tea Party as they are fighting the Democrats. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is going to be for the Democrats when they still lose?

It's not that I want the Republicans to win, but this is going to be a record low year for Democrats getting out to vote. I've talked with a lot of people and have read a lot of dumb shiat coming out of people on the internet. The Republican gridlock was extremely successful. People are demoralized because nothing has gotten done in the past 2 years and that is going to be difficult, if not impossible to explain to average people. The only thing Democrats can do is blame the Republicans for blocking EVERYTHING and nobody likes the blame game.

This is going to be a good year for Republicans. In 2016, not so much.
 
2014-02-25 10:31:32 AM

Nadie_AZ: Since when is infrastructure, clean water, clean air, good education, good health care all bad things?


Infrastructure is not good when it helps someone else.  Public transit?  Why should we spend money on that?  Anyone who needs to go somewhere can just buy a car.

Clean water and air are not good when maintaining those things cuts into corporations profits.  Why, polluted water is the very definition of Freedom of Industries!

Good education is not good when getting it means your tax dollars end up being spend on someone who is not your own spawn.

And finally, health care is not a good thing if a democrat suggested it.
 
2014-02-25 10:35:14 AM
The GOP's political gene pool has needed a heavy dose of chlorine for 8 years now.  Better late than never, I suppose.
 
2014-02-25 10:36:01 AM

Karac: Infrastructure is not good when it helps someone else. Public transit? Why should we spend money on that? Anyone who needs to go somewhere can just buy a car.Clean water and air are not good when maintaining those things cuts into corporations profits. Why, polluted water is the very definition of Freedom of Industries!Good education is not good when getting it means your tax dollars end up being spend on someone who is not your own spawn.And finally, health care is not a good thing if a democrat suggested it.


And all those things are bad if *those people*  get it! I believe now we call them, ahem, "socialists?"
 
2014-02-25 10:37:11 AM
The next GOP primary season is going to make for some excellent IRL drama, just hoping the electorate in general elections takes policy a bit more seriously than the "KEEP YOUR GUVMENT HANDS OFF MAH MEDICARE YOU N*-BOMBS" set.
 
2014-02-25 10:40:47 AM
I feel as though I owe it to the country to register as a Republican so I can vote for some Tea Party yokel in the primary and help the whoever the Democratic candidate is.
 
2014-02-25 10:44:50 AM

Karac: Public transit?  Why should we spend money on that?  Anyone who needs to go somewhere can just buy a car.


Black, brown, non-whites and single mothers benefit from public transit on their way to vote Democrat.  This needs to stop so that the rich can get more tax cuts.
 
2014-02-25 10:45:05 AM

Granny_Panties: So, basically the Republicans are spending as much time fighting the Tea Party as they are fighting the Democrats. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is going to be for the Democrats when they still lose?

It's not that I want the Republicans to win, but this is going to be a record low year for Democrats getting out to vote.
I've talked with a lot of people and have read a lot of dumb shiat coming out of people on the internet. The Republican gridlock was extremely successful. People are demoralized because nothing has gotten done in the past 2 years and that is going to be difficult, if not impossible to explain to average people. The only thing Democrats can do is blame the Republicans for blocking EVERYTHING and nobody likes the blame game.

This is going to be a good year for Republicans. In 2016, not so much.


Fearing another off-year election like 2010 is hardly unreasonable but to assume this will happen is silly. You know what the best way to counter this? Encourage your buddies experiencing another enthusiasm deficit to get out there and vote and remind them of the last time they got apathetic.
 
2014-02-25 10:47:20 AM
I'd say that, at long last, the new Know Nothing Party was dead.

But the Republican Party is still with us.
 
2014-02-25 10:47:41 AM
In other news I thought Facebook had rules against making your own personal Ogrish.
 
2014-02-25 10:49:25 AM
Come onnnnnn 3 party system!  Split that wingnut vote right in half.
 
2014-02-25 10:49:45 AM
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2014-02-25 10:50:07 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Granny_Panties: So, basically the Republicans are spending as much time fighting the Tea Party as they are fighting the Democrats. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is going to be for the Democrats when they still lose?

It's not that I want the Republicans to win, but this is going to be a record low year for Democrats getting out to vote. I've talked with a lot of people and have read a lot of dumb shiat coming out of people on the internet. The Republican gridlock was extremely successful. People are demoralized because nothing has gotten done in the past 2 years and that is going to be difficult, if not impossible to explain to average people. The only thing Democrats can do is blame the Republicans for blocking EVERYTHING and nobody likes the blame game.

This is going to be a good year for Republicans. In 2016, not so much.

Fearing another off-year election like 2010 is hardly unreasonable but to assume this will happen is silly. You know what the best way to counter this? Encourage your buddies experiencing another enthusiasm deficit to get out there and vote and remind them of the last time they got apathetic.


Recruit Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson.  We need more people like that.  not only scientifically literate, but also able to distill that knowledge into sound bites.  IMHO the biggest problem the D's have been having is one of marketing.  They tend to embrace complexity and diversity.  Things that don't distill down well into sound bites.  Sound bites make for better marketing.
 
2014-02-25 10:50:07 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Granny_Panties: So, basically the Republicans are spending as much time fighting the Tea Party as they are fighting the Democrats. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is going to be for the Democrats when they still lose?

It's not that I want the Republicans to win, but this is going to be a record low year for Democrats getting out to vote. I've talked with a lot of people and have read a lot of dumb shiat coming out of people on the internet. The Republican gridlock was extremely successful. People are demoralized because nothing has gotten done in the past 2 years and that is going to be difficult, if not impossible to explain to average people. The only thing Democrats can do is blame the Republicans for blocking EVERYTHING and nobody likes the blame game.

This is going to be a good year for Republicans. In 2016, not so much.

Fearing another off-year election like 2010 is hardly unreasonable but to assume this will happen is silly. You know what the best way to counter this? Encourage your buddies experiencing another enthusiasm deficit to get out there and vote and remind them of the last time they got apathetic.


If Democrats are looking at the current state of politics and saying to themselves "I don't really care who wins" then we pretty much deserve Teabagger control of Congress.
 
2014-02-25 10:52:41 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Nadie_AZ: I actually want the party to tear itself to bits and a new progressive party to rise from its ashes

How the hell would anything even remotely "progressive" rise from the ashes of the GOP?


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2014-02-25 10:53:16 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Fearing another off-year election like 2010 is hardly unreasonable but to assume this will happen is silly. You know what the best way to counter this? Encourage your buddies experiencing another enthusiasm deficit to get out there and vote and remind them of the last time they got apathetic.


It's largely too late. The 2010 midterms were important because the census would be taken according to Congress' rules, and we saw what happened with district lines and state races in 2012.

Not to say all is lost forever, but the 0-year elections have a special importance that we missed in 2010. While I don't hold out hope for 2020, at least that's a presidential election year as well (so assuming Teabaggers still gonna teabag, there's hope).

Every election is important, for the same reasons. If you can't be arsed to vote, you deserve to get taken advantage of, and if you refuse to vote, you're perpetuating the problem (unless you're an actual with-a-gun revolutionary, in which case I'm guessing you're not reading this in your off-the-grid bunker).

// and if you're unable to vote, get out of a red state and/or write your governor about making Election Day a paid day off
// we can do without President's Day
 
2014-02-25 10:54:55 AM

Mantour: Karac: Public transit?  Why should we spend money on that?  Anyone who needs to go somewhere can just buy a car.

Black, brown, non-whites and single mothers benefit from public transit on their way to vote Democrat.  This needs to stop so that the rich can get more tax cuts.


We also have to build more roads and freeways with 100 lanes to also accommodate the extra number of vehicles on the road instead of maintaining public transportation options, because Freedom and Eagles and stuff.
 
2014-02-25 10:55:21 AM
Let's examine what happened after the GOP 'victory' in 2010.

The following election in 2012 was a total blowout for the Democrats.  Meanwhile, the Tea Derpers and the GOP old guard mud wrestle on live cable TV for 2 years to show who's the most conservative among them.

If I'm the Democrats, my first plan is to win in 2014 and win big.

My second plan is to assume that I don't win big and make preparations and plans to exacerbate the GOP/Derper divide and make sure the whole world sees it, all with an eye on the 2016 national election.

If a nobody on the internet can figure that much out off the top of his head, I'm fairly sure the Democrats came to the same conclusion a long while back.
 
2014-02-25 10:55:24 AM

nijika: Come onnnnnn 3 party system!  Split that wingnut vote right in half.


President Nader would like a word with you.
 
2014-02-25 10:56:28 AM

A Cave Geek: Recruit Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson.  We need more people like that.  not only scientifically literate, but also able to distill that knowledge into sound bites.  IMHO the biggest problem the D's have been having is one of marketing.  They tend to embrace complexity and diversity.  Things that don't distill down well into sound bites.  Sound bites make for better marketing.


Agreed and let's hope that the Democratic Party hasn't forgotten to learn from history when Obama isn't running for office.
 
2014-02-25 11:00:10 AM
Sadly, low information voters will continue to punish Democrats for Congress' inability to do anything because of Republican intransigence.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:00 AM
Those anonymous war chests weren't fleecing the rubes for nothin'.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:02 AM

thornhill: Sadly, low information voters will continue to punish Democrats for Congress' inability to do anything because of Republican intransigence.


Don't polls reflect a negative opinion of the GOP far more than the Democrats in this though? Don't forget that as low as Obama's numbers might be Congress's and Boehner's have always been a lot lower.
 
2014-02-25 11:05:30 AM
"We're not anti-conservative. We're just anti-people-who-can't-win."


We don't care about the platform, we just care about beating the Dems.
 
2014-02-25 11:05:47 AM
More evidence that the Tea Party has become a viable (though maybe temporary) third party in American politics.  We just didn't realize they were a third party because, when no one was looking, we switched to a two-tiered election system where the two conservative parties fight each other in the first election, and the winner challenges the democratic candidate.
 
2014-02-25 11:06:54 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: thornhill: Sadly, low information voters will continue to punish Democrats for Congress' inability to do anything because of Republican intransigence.

Don't polls reflect a negative opinion of the GOP far more than the Democrats in this though? Don't forget that as low as Obama's numbers might be Congress's and Boehner's have always been a lot lower.


The difficulty there is that low ratings for Obama will probably impact Democratic candidates across the country, but low ratings for Congress won't, because while everyone dislikes Congress, they like their representative.
 
2014-02-25 11:07:40 AM

Nuuu: More evidence that the Tea Party has become a viable (though maybe temporary) third party in American politics.  We just didn't realize they were a third party because, when no one was looking, we switched to a two-tiered election system where the two conservative parties fight each other in the first election, and the winner challenges the democratic candidate.


Best thing the tea party could do is to actually make that split.  Run as their own party.  Make a clean split from the GOP.  Peel off about half of the GOP votes, and relegate both to permanent third party status.
 
2014-02-25 11:08:24 AM
I'm unbelievably amused.
 
2014-02-25 11:08:47 AM
[reads FARK headline]

Something has to come out of this.
 
2014-02-25 11:09:07 AM

A Cave Geek: Recruit Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson.


bill "i debated a young earth creationist at a museum with exhibits showing jesus hugging a dinosaur" nye?

no he needs to stay in the pit of shame for a few more years
 
2014-02-25 11:10:31 AM

Rann Xerox: [reads FARK headline]

Something has to come out of this.


Poop thread?
 
2014-02-25 11:17:59 AM

A Cave Geek: They tend to embrace complexity and diversity


I'd argue that it's not so much "embrace" as "struggle to homogenize into a workable platform."  The Republicans have it easy:  Hate taxes, science, abortions, homos, immigrants, non-Christians; love guns, God, money, 'Murica (as they have misrepresented and misunderstood it both historically and currently).  Everything else lands in the Democrat camp -- which can only lead to problems and conflict, if you look too closely.  Environmentalists vs. Union Loggers.  Good social policy vs. respecting people's right to privacy and personal philosophy.  Etc. The Daily Show did a *fabulous* piece on it at the last DNC (or maybe it was 2008?  The mind fades) where they got single-issue zealots from opposing camps in a room.

Not sure what the answer is, as I know our European friends have their complaints about multi-party structures, but the Dems are handicapped out the gate, and the Repubs have done a wonderful job of conscripting single-issue voters  whose core philosophy is either ignorance, willful ignorance, selfishness, or hate -- or some combination thereof -- into a political body juuuust strong enough to stay somewhere between "able to throw a wrench in the works" and "able to squeeze through horrible legislation if they name it misleadingly."

HMS_Blinkin: How the hell would anything even remotely "progressive" rise from the ashes of the GOP?


Two thoughts:

1)  For all his faults, Nixon did give us the EPA, OSHA, the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, as well as diplomatic interaction with China.  A pro-choice (via being strong enough to say, "PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT!", for example) western Republican who kicks the Tea Party to the curb could be not the *worst* thing ever.   *blech* and now I have just participated in the coordinated movement to whitewash Nixon's history; I feel icky, but they have a point.

2)  If the Repubs fracture hard enough, maybe, just maybe, a Green or, better yet, something new could run and stand a chance, at least bringing some attention to the idea that maybe something better could be done.  For example, I know that if I don't vote Dem, I'm helping the Repubs, and my local elections can be close.  If I knew the Repubs didn't stand a chance, I'd vote Green or something else.  [N.B.  Handle "increasingly inaccurate."]  I'm not alone in that handcuffing.

Nadie_AZ: Since when is infrastructure, clean water, clean air, good education, good health care all bad things?


THIS.  I'd add, "And since when does our government have any right to interfere with personal choices made by adults?" and toss in pro-gay-marriage (actually, I prefer the "why does gov't have anything to do with marriage?  Consenting adults should be able to sign a gov't-recognized full-spousal-rights contract however they like and 'marriage' can be left to institutions to assign to ceremonies worthwhile only to their adherents," but I'm weird) and pro-choice.  Finally, "since when is corporate profit and tax-free revenue for the wealthy more important than scientific research, or support for veterans, or free health care, or free education for all, or, for that matter, supporting the arts and humanities?"

But I am weird and nothing I want will ever happen.

Also, if you're actually in AZ... given the view you just posted... you poor bastard.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:32 AM

Granny_Panties: So, basically the Republicans are spending as much time fighting the Tea Party as they are fighting the Democrats. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is going to be for the Democrats when they still lose?

It's not that I want the Republicans to win, but this is going to be a record low year for Democrats getting out to vote. I've talked with a lot of people and have read a lot of dumb shiat coming out of people on the internet. The Republican gridlock was extremely successful. People are demoralized because nothing has gotten done in the past 2 years and that is going to be difficult, if not impossible to explain to average people. The only thing Democrats can do is blame the Republicans for blocking EVERYTHING and nobody likes the blame game.

This is going to be a good year for Republicans. In 2016, not so much.


I would council against premature unskewing.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:58 AM

Lord_Baull: "We're not anti-conservative. We're just anti-people-who-can't-win."


We don't care about the platform, we just care about beating the Dems.


"I mean, we agree with everything they stand for, but you can't just come out and say it! Otherwise, it'll mobilize those people into wanting to vote, too!"
 
2014-02-25 11:20:56 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: I feel as though I owe it to the country to register as a Republican so I can vote for some Tea Party yokel in the primary and help the whoever the Democratic candidate is.


I know what you mean. Part of me wants to register Republican to vote for Steve Stockman over John Cornyn, because Stockman is fully capable of losing that Texas senate seat.

But at the same time, I can't bring myself to do it, for the simple reason that my personal integrity is somewhat important to me.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:18 AM

sprawl15: A Cave Geek: Recruit Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson.

bill "i debated a young earth creationist at a museum with exhibits showing jesus hugging a dinosaur" nye?

no he needs to stay in the pit of shame for a few more years


thumbpress.com

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
 
2014-02-25 11:24:41 AM

qorkfiend: The difficulty there is that low ratings for Obama will probably impact Democratic candidates across the country, but low ratings for Congress won't, because while everyone dislikes Congress, they like their representative.


Good point, I often forget to wrap my mind around this curious American phenomenon.
 
2014-02-25 11:32:33 AM

sprawl15: A Cave Geek: Recruit Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson.

bill "i debated a young earth creationist at a museum with exhibits showing jesus hugging a dinosaur" nye?

no he needs to stay in the pit of shame for a few more years


As not even dignifying Creationist mental shenanigans has served science and the US SOOOO well in recent years.
 
2014-02-25 11:32:43 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: thornhill: Sadly, low information voters will continue to punish Democrats for Congress' inability to do anything because of Republican intransigence.

Don't polls reflect a negative opinion of the GOP far more than the Democrats in this though? Don't forget that as low as Obama's numbers might be Congress's and Boehner's have always been a lot lower.


Except that Dems get blamed for things like Obamacare -- some of which they deserve, but a lot due to Republicans sabotaging the system and spreading flat-out lies.
 
2014-02-25 11:35:14 AM

tnpir: Bareefer Obonghit: I feel as though I owe it to the country to register as a Republican so I can vote for some Tea Party yokel in the primary and help the whoever the Democratic candidate is.

I know what you mean. Part of me wants to register Republican to vote for Steve Stockman over John Cornyn, because Stockman is fully capable of losing that Texas senate seat.

But at the same time, I can't bring myself to do it, for the simple reason that my personal integrity is somewhat important to me.


Plus, if the stars align and he somehow wins, you will never forgive yourself and always feel dirty.  Like a dirty pirate whore.
 
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