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2014-02-25 03:41:39 AM  
Great. I just can't wait until my micro-managing control freak program manager finds out about those.
 
2014-02-25 03:45:10 AM  
Unless it's uploading those pictures automatically, you're going to be stuck with a pile of broken parts when you "trip" and crush it during your police encounter. You probably shouldn't have assaulted the cop, you know.
 
2014-02-25 03:57:37 AM  
Why subby? You got something against cops you want to film them with such precise detail?
Tell us what happened.
 
2014-02-25 04:22:45 AM  
I think cops can figure out how to beat people and plant evidence in ways that only take 20 seconds.
 
2014-02-25 08:39:57 AM  
Lapel? No, I think that will fit better in my bow tie.

/yes it is a gabardine suit
 
2014-02-25 09:23:40 AM  
Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.
 
2014-02-25 09:25:29 AM  
Subby = Troll.

Suck my left nut sub.
 
2014-02-25 09:35:44 AM  

taurusowner: Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.


Your posts always restore some faith I've lost in law enforcement
 
2014-02-25 09:40:07 AM  
So after the memory fills up with 5721 images I am going to have to go through and delete the 5689 of them which show the point where the wall meets the ceiling.
 
2014-02-25 09:44:57 AM  
I think when I heard this yesterday they were talking about some special software to help find "interesting" images. I'm skeptical, but image analysis is already doing things I never thought would be possible, so I'm waiting to see.
 
2014-02-25 09:49:53 AM  
They are right, the images produced are not surprising at all. Take for example this photo of a meeting at NPR.

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-25 09:50:28 AM  

mutterfark: Lapel? No, I think that will fit better in my bow tie.

/yes it is a gabardine suit


Damn it! I came here to make a similar joke.
 
2014-02-25 09:53:25 AM  
$279.
 
2014-02-25 09:55:03 AM  
We're rapidly heading toward being able to record every second of your conscious life.

There's a story over on Arstechnica today about Sandisks new 128GB microSDcard.

At 72op that's probably in the neighborhood of 80 to 100 hours of HD video/sound in a micro sized SD card!   I can see  the capability/capacity to record 16 hours a day (all waking hours) for an entire year being feasible in under a decade on a single device no bigger than this thing.

I am amazed, intrigued and scared for what that might mean.
 
2014-02-25 10:01:47 AM  

Fizpez: We're rapidly heading toward being able to record every second of your conscious life.

There's a story over on Arstechnica today about Sandisks new 128GB microSDcard.

At 72op that's probably in the neighborhood of 80 to 100 hours of HD video/sound in a micro sized SD card!   I can see  the capability/capacity to record 16 hours a day (all waking hours) for an entire year being feasible in under a decade on a single device no bigger than this thing.

I am amazed, intrigued and scared for what that might mean.


Think of how much data will be recorded that will never be seen by human eyes or even analyzed by a machine.
 
2014-02-25 10:04:26 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Fizpez: We're rapidly heading toward being able to record every second of your conscious life.

There's a story over on Arstechnica today about Sandisks new 128GB microSDcard.

At 72op that's probably in the neighborhood of 80 to 100 hours of HD video/sound in a micro sized SD card!   I can see  the capability/capacity to record 16 hours a day (all waking hours) for an entire year being feasible in under a decade on a single device no bigger than this thing.

I am amazed, intrigued and scared for what that might mean.

Think of how much data will be recorded that will never be seen by human eyes or even analyzed by a machine.


Think about the fact that you might be a semi-sentient machine analyzing a multi-year data set from some long gone civilization...


/I just threw that shiat together... think Ill make a movie out of it.
 
2014-02-25 10:06:09 AM  

Fizpez: Think about the fact that you might be a semi-sentient machine analyzing a multi-year data set from some long gone civilization...


Woah, dude!
 
2014-02-25 10:16:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Unless it's uploading those pictures automatically, you're going to be stuck with a pile of broken parts when you "trip" and crush it during your police encounter. You probably shouldn't have assaulted the cop, you know.


I imagine it can automatically sync with a smartphone app which uploads the pictures to the cloud?
 
2014-02-25 10:20:57 AM  
That thing sucks. You can get something much better for $300
 
2014-02-25 10:31:17 AM  

Fizpez: We're rapidly heading toward being able to record every second of your conscious life.



I saw a movie about 20 years ago (and I cannot remember the name) where a guy was falsely accused of murder,  So after his trial (and possibly prison) he decides to record every moment of his life and meticulously catalogs all the video tapes.

So wouldn't you know it, he gets accused of murder again.  He confidently accesses his tape library and goes to exactly where the tapes covering the time of the murder but you guess it, they were missing.
 
2014-02-25 10:31:37 AM  
So who's taking bets on how long until some teenager gets caught hiding one of these in the girls locker room or in a clothing store changing room?
 
2014-02-25 10:35:01 AM  

thornhill: AverageAmericanGuy: Unless it's uploading those pictures automatically, you're going to be stuck with a pile of broken parts when you "trip" and crush it during your police encounter. You probably shouldn't have assaulted the cop, you know.

I imagine it can automatically sync with a smartphone app which uploads the pictures to the cloud?


Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area.  This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.
 
2014-02-25 10:41:27 AM  

flondrix: thornhill: AverageAmericanGuy: Unless it's uploading those pictures automatically, you're going to be stuck with a pile of broken parts when you "trip" and crush it during your police encounter. You probably shouldn't have assaulted the cop, you know.

I imagine it can automatically sync with a smartphone app which uploads the pictures to the cloud?

Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area.  This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.


And the WinPhone, Android, Blackberry, burners, laptops, tablets et al would just go along as they were? What's the point?
 
2014-02-25 10:44:16 AM  

flondrix: thornhill: AverageAmericanGuy: Unless it's uploading those pictures automatically, you're going to be stuck with a pile of broken parts when you "trip" and crush it during your police encounter. You probably shouldn't have assaulted the cop, you know.

I imagine it can automatically sync with a smartphone app which uploads the pictures to the cloud?

Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area.  This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.


I doubt every police officer is walking around with a jammer.
 
2014-02-25 10:48:59 AM  

whidbey: Why subby? You got something against cops you want to film them with such precise detail?
Tell us what happened.


Well that should be easy... considering most patrol cars in this country have a dash cam now (many with audio). Civilians having cameras going while getting pulled over will end up exculpating more cops than they inculpate.
 
2014-02-25 10:54:05 AM  

abhorrent1: That thing sucks. You can get something much better for $300


This too. Better wearable cameras have been available for years. I remember other fark threads on the same subject.
 
2014-02-25 11:17:44 AM  

thornhill: Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area. This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.

I doubt every police officer is walking around with a jammer.


No jammer needed--a local police department can ask Apple to not allow the iPhones in a given area to upload to the cloud.  Since Apple owns the cloud and (for all practical purposes) owns the iPhones, it's not a matter of stopping them so much as refraining from making the uploads happen.
 
2014-02-25 11:18:40 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area. This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.

And the WinPhone, Android, Blackberry, burners, laptops, tablets et al would just go along as they were? What's the point?


Everyone knows that hipster activists use iPhones.
 
2014-02-25 11:51:51 AM  

flondrix: thornhill: Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area. This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.

I doubt every police officer is walking around with a jammer.

No jammer needed--a local police department can ask Apple to not allow the iPhones in a given area to upload to the cloud.  Since Apple owns the cloud and (for all practical purposes) owns the iPhones, it's not a matter of stopping them so much as refraining from making the uploads happen.


Because everyone uses Apple, and no Iphone ever had an option to, say, be jailbroken and use a 3rd party non-apple cloud service, right?
 
2014-02-25 11:54:08 AM  
Much rather a minor little thing that could be attached to sunglasses and you just say something like "take photo"... sort of like the Google Glass just simplified, for photos or video only
 
2014-02-25 11:58:08 AM  

flondrix: thornhill: Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area. This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.

I doubt every police officer is walking around with a jammer.

No jammer needed--a local police department can ask Apple to not allow the iPhones in a given area to upload to the cloud.  Since Apple owns the cloud and (for all practical purposes) owns the iPhones, it's not a matter of stopping them so much as refraining from making the uploads happen.


Good thing everyone uses an Apple product.
 
2014-02-25 12:43:05 PM  

flondrix: No jammer needed--a local police department can ask Apple to not allow the iPhones in a given area to upload to the cloud.  Since Apple owns the cloud and (for all practical purposes) owns the iPhones, it's not a matter of stopping them so much as refraining from making the uploads happen.


I don't see how any police department would be able to legally justify such a sweeping, and void for vagueness request without some 2L law student saying "you can't do that, and even if you ask, Apple can say "Piss off"."

I can also imagine the challenges in court someone can make to that request.
 
2014-02-25 12:52:02 PM  

flondrix: Last I heard, Apple made a service available to police forces whereby they could disable the uploading of pictures in a given area.  This was offered in response to the Occupy movement.


[citation needed]

I found one article claiming that Apple had gotten a patent for technology that would allow that. Going from that, to implementing the technology, to deploying it in the field, to offering it as a "service" is quite a few layers of tinfoil. Also, Android.

But wouldn't it be interesting if a company patented technology like this, then used it as a blocking patent to PREVENT other companies from implementing and deploying it? Not that I'm implying any existing company is that anti-evil, but what if one were?
 
2014-02-25 12:52:46 PM  

xellas84: Because everyone uses Apple, and no Iphone ever had an option to, say, be jailbroken and use a 3rd party non-apple cloud service, right?


Well, this would be a good reason to NOT use Apple, or to jailbreak the Apple that you have.  However, using android may not be all that different, you just end up in thrall to Google instead of Apple.
 
2014-02-25 12:55:28 PM  

Mi-5: I don't see how any police department would be able to legally justify such a sweeping, and void for vagueness request without some 2L law student saying "you can't do that, and even if you ask, Apple can say "Piss off"."

I can also imagine the challenges in court someone can make to that request.


I believe that this was a service Apple offered.  As for legal challenges, they aren't spying on or sharing your content.  Quite the opposite.  This is a selective denial of service perpetrated by the manufacturer.  If you could sue a manufacturer for their mobile devices not working sometimes, there would be no mobile devices.
 
2014-02-25 01:06:49 PM  

taurusowner: Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.


Vievu.com

Works great
 
2014-02-25 01:14:43 PM  

taurusowner: Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.


Former PD here, and I agree.  A wearable camera (in my case a microphone) saved me from the harassment issue mentioned above.  It eventually got plead to a lesser charge, but it helped immensely.  Our former cheif also loved to respond to complaints of improper police activity by simply releasing the footage to the nearest news station.

On the other hand it also helped figure out who messed up the push bars on one of our cruisers.  I loved the cameras, they kept everyone honest.
 
2014-02-25 01:28:09 PM  

Fizpez: I can see the capability/capacity to record 16 hours a day (all waking hours) for an entire year being feasible in under a decade on a single device no bigger than this thing.

I am amazed, intrigued and scared for what that might mean.


It means YouTube is going to get alot worse before it gets better...
 
2014-02-25 01:50:58 PM  
d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net
 
2014-02-25 01:58:05 PM  

Fizpez: We're rapidly heading toward being able to record every second of your conscious life.

There's a story over on Arstechnica today about Sandisks new 128GB microSDcard.

At 72op that's probably in the neighborhood of 80 to 100 hours of HD video/sound in a micro sized SD card!   I can see  the capability/capacity to record 16 hours a day (all waking hours) for an entire year being feasible in under a decade on a single device no bigger than this thing.

I am amazed, intrigued and scared for what that might mean.


Black Mirror, The Entire History of You.
 
2014-02-25 02:07:06 PM  

taurusowner: Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.


And it works the other way, also.  If the officer is behaving appropriately, then there is no reason for them not to record their actions.  Having constant video recording discourages police abuses and cuts down on uses of force.  An interesting article on the subject.
 
2014-02-25 02:17:53 PM  
"Within five to 10 years, wearable cameras and camera phones will replace 99 percent of digital SLRs and video cameras," he says.

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-25 02:46:34 PM  
The scarier part is when cops aren't wearing these cameras, and the juries inevitably take them at their word.
 
2014-02-25 03:33:57 PM  
Nobody else thinks that thing is HUGE?  Postage stamp size my ass.  (Please, someone?  It's getting pretty big lately too.)

The device should be the same size as a MicroSD card; I really can't see why not.  Or at worst, a tiny dot of a lens with a filament cable back to the recorder.  This really doesn't even seem close to what I would have expected in 2014.

Good to hear from two police persons in this thread.  What's the deal with forbidding citizens to record YOU?  It hardly seems fair, more like a recipe for disaster.
 
2014-02-25 03:35:08 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Subby = Troll.

Suck my left nut sub.


What's trollish about the headline?

/Not subby
 
2014-02-25 03:42:17 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: They are right, the images produced are not surprising at all. Take for example this photo of a meeting at NPR.

[img.fark.net image 850x609]


You see? They are right-leaning journalists!
 
2014-02-25 03:58:28 PM  
img.gawkerassets.com

Hey thanks subby I think I'm going to get one of those.
 
2014-02-25 04:30:26 PM  

taurusowner: Can't wait til they make something similar that takes full audio video. My current wearable camera is a bit clunky and hard to aim. Oh, and I'm a cop. I think all departments should encourage (or issue/mandate) wearable cameras for all officers. I can't count how many times it's helped my go back see things I missed when walking through a scene, correcting errors and training scars when doing entries like the way football coaches review game footage, or demonstrating what I was doing, where I was doing it, and when on court days. Plus it really makes the "let me out of this ticket or I'll file a complaint that you sexually/racially harassed me" crowd pause and reconsider their BS. Making officers wear cameras really is one of those times where "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" really makes sense. And there is so much to gain from it. Better evidence gathering, better training aides, better CYA proof.


of course you are only ok with this if the cop is in control of the camera & can creatively edit as needed
 
2014-02-25 05:12:31 PM  

Dedmon: InterruptingQuirk: They are right, the images produced are not surprising at all. Take for example this photo of a meeting at NPR.

[img.fark.net image 850x609]

You see? They are right-leaning journalists!


LOL, I did notice the lean, but not from that perspective.
 
2014-02-25 05:24:33 PM  

Mi-5: Apple can say "Piss off"."


Apple can also say "you hipster idiots are going to buy our iShiat no matter what we do, so we're going to stay on the government's good side, and maybe even get them to pay us to help fark you trendy assholes over."
 
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