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(The Intercept)   Edward Snowden confirms that Government Internet shills are real (link updated)   (firstlook.org) divider line 144
    More: Obvious, conspiracy theories, false flag, covert agents, Cass Sunstein, hacktivists, regulatory affairs, Stasi, Glenn Greenwald  
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2014-02-25 12:06:04 AM
What's the pay and where do I apply?
 
2014-02-25 12:15:59 AM
Next thing you know people who leak documents might start getting accused of rape or something.
 
2014-02-25 12:21:00 AM

Relatively Obscure: Next thing you know people who leak documents might start getting accused of rape or something.


Your name is my name too.
 
2014-02-25 12:29:55 AM

Relatively Obscure: Next thing you know people who leak documents might start getting accused of rape or something.


*Touches finger to nose*

I thought that this pic summarized the article fairly well.
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FTFA:  Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in "false flag operations" to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that

Although, I have yet to see any evidence from Greenwald that says they have done that.  Everything here is evidence that they've spent considerable effort on figuring out exactly how you would do that.  Notice the pic above says want to build, not are building.  But of course, if they are doing it properly you'd never know it anyways, would you?  Interesting stuff.
 
2014-02-25 12:34:47 AM
Done in 2
 
2014-02-25 12:38:43 AM
Oh and hey America, you might be getting discredited by your own country in order to shut you up.  But at least you aren't getting actively framed when your country's security services are committing terrorism and then blaming it on citizens in order to shut them up.
 
2014-02-25 01:05:46 AM

unyon: Oh and hey America, you might be getting discredited by your own country in order to shut you up.  But at least you aren't getting actively framed when your country's security services are committing terrorism and then blaming it on citizens in order to shut them up.


How the hell would we know?
 
2014-02-25 01:19:58 AM
Uhm, not that I can't buy the claims, but a 'honey trap' in IT terms is not "luring people into compromising situations using sex" - it's setting up a tempting target (say a server or workstation) full of false data. At least, according to the computer forensics textbook I read last semester.
 
2014-02-25 01:40:21 AM
If you aren't smart enough to realize that almost every attempt to destroy someone's reputation is a scam with an ulterior motive behind it, you deserve to be fooled.
 
2014-02-25 03:03:30 AM

Triumph: What's the pay and where do I apply?


Odd, I already have you farkied as 'paid troll'
 
2014-02-25 03:08:03 AM

sammyk: Triumph: What's the pay and where do I apply?

Odd, I already have you farkied as 'paid troll'


Would you mind if I add you as a reference?
 
2014-02-25 03:56:09 AM

Triumph: sammyk: Triumph: What's the pay and where do I apply?

Odd, I already have you farkied as 'paid troll'

Would you mind if I add you as a reference?

 
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I need to see at least a 5/10 in the next week or so.

If nothing else farkers will get you on your A game.
 
2014-02-25 06:50:09 AM
I know. One of those shills sent pictures of my dick to all my ex girlfriends the last time I got drunk. It was terrible.
 
2014-02-25 06:53:46 AM

doglover: I know. One of those shills sent pictures of my dick to all my ex girlfriends the last time I got drunk. It was terrible.


You got lucky! Someone actually called all my ex-girlfriends and said, "I'm just saying, you should get tested."
 
2014-02-25 06:55:47 AM

vernonFL: doglover: I know. One of those shills sent pictures of my dick to all my ex girlfriends the last time I got drunk. It was terrible.

You got lucky! Someone actually called all my ex-girlfriends and said, "I'm just saying, you should get tested."


fc03.deviantart.net
 
2014-02-25 07:35:00 AM
As a well-know internet shill, I am appalled that people are paid to do what I consider art. How dare some lazy, fresh-faced IR grad get paid to spend all day making basic observations of how the world works to sheltered IT workers who think they have the right to download anything they want because, "Freedom!".
 
2014-02-25 07:54:43 AM
Really I'd be surprised to find out that our govt wasn't doing this. We should be happy and proud that we have such a proactive and forward thinking group of honorable people guarding us from evil.
 
KIA
2014-02-25 07:56:06 AM
Kind of makes you wonder about the alleged "free press" too, doesn't it?

/ not  a shill
// probably
/// at least as far as you know
 
2014-02-25 07:58:49 AM
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Was Agent Patches O'Houlihan responsible for this slide?
 
2014-02-25 07:59:58 AM
Something tells me that with Putin botching the handling of the Ukraine, we're in for a slew of new document dumps showing how "evil" the U.S.A. in an effort to save face.  Personally, Snowden keeps moving himself closer and closer into my "needs to be killed" category.
 
2014-02-25 08:02:58 AM
what a crappy PowerPoint presentation....
 
2014-02-25 08:03:29 AM

FnkyTwn: Something tells me that with Putin botching the handling of the Ukraine, we're in for a slew of new document dumps showing how "evil" the U.S.A. in an effort to save face.  Personally, Snowden keeps moving himself closer and closer into my "needs to be killed" category.


Yup.
 
2014-02-25 08:03:56 AM
Oh, they're not shills. They're just people with differences of opinion, right?
 
2014-02-25 08:06:26 AM
I think this is a power point my kid made in 3rd grade. Maybe they should pay someone who know how to make a power point first
 
2014-02-25 08:06:31 AM
It's nice to have confirmation but it should have been obvious propagandists, paid shills, marketers etc. would not ignore a medium as pervasive as the internet.
 
2014-02-25 08:06:52 AM
"these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself "

I'm pretty sure The Internet can do that on it's own.
 
2014-02-25 08:06:56 AM

DrPainMD: If you aren't smart enough to realize that almost every attempt to destroy someone's reputation is a scam with an ulterior motive behind it, you deserve to be fooled.


You sound like a furry.
 
2014-02-25 08:07:40 AM
The thing that really surprises me in all this is the terrible graphics. I mean I don't expect you to get a white cat and a scar or anything, but put a little effort into this, guys.
 
2014-02-25 08:08:43 AM
You guys want to see some paid shills in action go over to the guardian and start reading the comments section on the Ukraine situation. Hitler himself lead the twenty protestors at the maidan and the single handedly held the entire country hostage. Banned Russian, and have reformed the national socialist party. All because America.

/THANKS AMERICA
 
2014-02-25 08:09:40 AM

Triumph: What's the pay and where do I apply?


For real.
 
2014-02-25 08:11:02 AM

ambercat: The thing that really surprises me in all this is the terrible graphics. I mean I don't expect you to get a white cat and a scar or anything, but put a little effort into this, guys.


Why not a LoLCat themed PowerPoint?
 
2014-02-25 08:11:57 AM

unyon: Oh and hey America, you might be getting discredited by your own country in order to shut you up.  But at least you aren't getting actively framed when your country's security services are committing terrorism and then blaming it on citizens in order to shut them up.


Are you turning this into a contest to see who has the most corrupt government? Because, hey, if you want that gold star, go rock it. These are bragging rights we don't want.

/don't understand some people's need to go, "Oh, yeah, we have it worse!"
 
2014-02-25 08:13:21 AM

TheGregiss: FnkyTwn: Something tells me that with Putin botching the handling of the Ukraine, we're in for a slew of new document dumps showing how "evil" the U.S.A. in an effort to save face.  Personally, Snowden keeps moving himself closer and closer into my "needs to be killed" category.

Yup.


Yes.  Imagine how this compromises our freedom.  Imagine how...wait...no.  How about imagine how not knowing this we just went with the "Government isn't trying to control us" attitude.

That guys not a hero.  But he's no villain worthy of assassination either.
 
2014-02-25 08:13:54 AM

ambercat: The thing that really surprises me in all this is the terrible graphics. I mean I don't expect you to get a white cat and a scar or anything, but put a little effort into this, guys.


It's surprising, given that they have sinister techno villian lairs nailed:

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-25 08:14:25 AM
From one of the links in the article:
Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites - as well as other activist groups - which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called "independent" credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging (on the ground that those who don't believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false "conspiracy theories," which they define to mean: "an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role."


You know, like suggesting the government is paying people to disrupt "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." Because that's just crazy.
 
2014-02-25 08:17:07 AM

TheGregiss: You guys want to see some paid shills in action go over to the guardian and start reading the comments section on the Ukraine situation.


Since when do you need to pay Guardian readers to be histrionic and irrational?
 
2014-02-25 08:18:01 AM

generallyso: From one of the links in the article:
Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites - as well as other activist groups - which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called "independent" credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging (on the ground that those who don't believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false "conspiracy theories," which they define to mean: "an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role."

You know, like suggesting the government is paying people to disrupt "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." Because that's just crazy.


You realize you are espousing a conspiracy theory about an article espousing a conspiracy theory about an Obama advocate paper from a few years ago espousing a conspiracy?

Conspiraception!
 
2014-02-25 08:19:05 AM

Triumph: where do I apply?


On the politics tab :)
 
2014-02-25 08:19:56 AM
Didn't a Politics Tab troll admit he was getting paid to peddle his bullshiat?
 
2014-02-25 08:19:56 AM
Ridiculous conspiracy theory. Bunch of tin foil hat nonsense. You are all idiots and should stop criticizing our government for doing the hard work of keeping us safe from terrorism.
 
2014-02-25 08:20:21 AM
1971 called. They want their "revelations" back.
 
2014-02-25 08:21:00 AM

doglover: I know. One of those shills sent pictures of my dick to all my ex girlfriends the last time I got drunk. It was terrible.


Milk. Out. Of. Nose.
 
2014-02-25 08:23:26 AM
If I were this Snowden guy I would set up a website, charge $5 a month and fill it with the most crackpot stuff and wild podcast that I could imagine. You know he would get at least a few hundred thousand subscribers because of his name alone.
 
2014-02-25 08:25:21 AM

Plissken: doglover: I know. One of those shills sent pictures of my dick to all my ex girlfriends the last time I got drunk. It was terrible.

Milk. Out. Of. Nose.


I knew it! Like you, Brett Favre is innocent!!!!
 
2014-02-25 08:26:40 AM

Chris Ween: TheGregiss: FnkyTwn: Something tells me that with Putin botching the handling of the Ukraine, we're in for a slew of new document dumps showing how "evil" the U.S.A. in an effort to save face.  Personally, Snowden keeps moving himself closer and closer into my "needs to be killed" category.

Yup.

Yes.  Imagine how this compromises our freedom.  Imagine how...wait...no.  How about imagine how not knowing this we just went with the "Government isn't trying to control us" attitude.

That guys not a hero.  But he's no villain worthy of assassination either.


I dont think our government is trying to control us any more than Coke or Pepsi does. And each soda has 12 Tablespoons of sugar in it. Tablespoons! Who's really trying to kill us here?
 
2014-02-25 08:27:08 AM
I think we can all agree that the very thought is absurd. I, a totally normal internet user who is in no way affiliated with the government, can tell from my extensive experience communicating with my rad "online" peers as an ordinary everyday "user" of Internet services that there are no government "shills" on the Internet. Why would there be? Our government's fine efforts speak for themselves! So that settles that. Now let's talk about rumors concerning the ongoing events in Ukraine.

oca0177-250214g
 
2014-02-25 08:28:37 AM
so this is just an elaborate version of astro-turfing?
 
2014-02-25 08:30:23 AM

unyon: Oh and hey America, you might be getting discredited by your own country in order to shut you up.  But at least you aren't getting actively framed when your country's security services are committing terrorism and then blaming it on citizens in order to shut them up.


Wow old news is so exciting! Besides we have known for years that RCMP death squads must be stopped.
 
2014-02-25 08:30:59 AM

AdamK: so this is just an elaborate version of astro-turfing?


it's more like the guerrilla marketing of propaganda.
 
2014-02-25 08:31:08 AM

ladyfortuna: Uhm, not that I can't buy the claims, but a 'honey trap' in IT terms is not "luring people into compromising situations using sex" - it's setting up a tempting target (say a server or workstation) full of false data. At least, according to the computer forensics textbook I read last semester.


Where do you think the term originated from?

What more tempting trap is there other than the possibility of sex with a beautiful honey?
 
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