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(Fox News)   "There really is a God. I was shot at and my Bible absorbed the bullets"   (foxnews.com) divider line 16
    More: Scary, Bibles, god, Dayton Daily News, Ohio  
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3803 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Feb 2014 at 6:04 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-02-25 12:06:40 AM  
4 votes:
I didn't see that quote in the article anywhere, subby. I did see these, however...

"There was obviously some kind of intervention involved in this incident because (Waggoner) should probably not be here," Dayton Police Sgt. Michael Pauley told the paper at the scene

Ah, yes. The old God obviously intervened by putting the book at the right place to stop the bullets, but he couldn't be bothered to intervene in the lives of the assailants to prevent them becoming attempted murderers. Gotta love those mysterious ways.

Of course, the cop doesn't explicitly say "God", so I'm sure he just meant the book intervened in some way between the man and the bullet. But as an honorary, if not official, member of the Fark Anti-Religion Brigade (or whatever we're being called now), it's obligatory to get a dig in. ;)

"That's wonderful," said Peterson, who is 81. "I've heard stories about that happening during the second World War. I'm glad to be in the club."

Heh. I actually like the book author's reaction. :)
2014-02-25 02:54:49 AM  
3 votes:

doglover: God prevented it because it wasn't part of HIS plan.


If God only allows things to happen according to his plan (or intervenes to prevent things from going according to plan), then there is no way to determine the existence of free will, as one could never distinguish between a freely chosen action and an intervention. If free will is promised by God, then every intervention breaks that promise.

Of course, taken to the fullest extent, an omnipotent god running the universe according to plan is mutually exclusive from free will anyway (since omnipotence implies omniscience, and omniscience implies certain knowledge of the future, which removes the possibility of the players in the universe making free choices that could change that future). Either God has limits on his power to know for certain the outcome of events, or there is no free will.

Cue the "But God doesn't have to follow logic" arguments...

doglover: I'm pretty sure there's less cognitive dissonance than you're implying.


Nope. Pretty much the same amount. Throwing in the "But Free Will™" argument does not make it any less ridiculous. Unless one wishes to imply that the deity in question is not omnipotent.
2014-02-25 04:55:59 AM  
2 votes:
an innocent is killed by god ... god is great
an asshole is killed by god ... god is ...
an asshole lives by god ... god is ....
terrorists blow up the trade center god is great
god prevents a different suicide bomb ...


fark it
god is a complete and total asshole

god let bush 2.0 not choke to death on that pretzle ... god is an asshole
2014-02-25 12:33:54 AM  
2 votes:
FTFA: Reached at his home in Lakeside, Mont., Eugene H. Peterson, author of "The Message," told FoxNews.com that he was thrilled to know his book stopped bullets. That's wonderful," said Peterson, who is 81. "I've heard stories about that happening during the second World War. I'm glad to be in the club."


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2014-02-25 12:27:59 AM  
2 votes:

mamoru: But as an honorary, if not official, member of the Fark Anti-Religion Brigade (or whatever we're being called now), it's obligatory to get a dig in. ;)


How about the Fark Anti-Religion Tiraders?

F.A.R.T. has a nice ring to it :-)
2014-02-25 10:04:04 AM  
1 votes:
My favorite interpretation is that God, being all-knowing, knows of each and every path the timeline could take, ie: all the infinite parallel universes for every possible combination of decisions/actions.  Then he just lets us free will it and sees where it goes, sort of like plinko, but otherwise intervenes when necessary.  This way free will basically exists while God remains all-knowing and can even 'have a plan' if he wants to go mess around with what's going on.

Unfortunately, that brings up even greater issues, like if every possible thing that could ever happen does happen but in different universes, which 'plan' are we in and does free will actually exist given that we've brute forced our way through every possibility? Are we in the trial run or the real timeline?  Morally, how should we feel about our other selves getting screwed with an inferior plan if we happen to be in the main timeline?

Otherwise, as far as letting bad things happen. I'm pretty sure God likes drama and we're his entertainment.  It's like if you put a caterpillar and a beetle in a pen as a 10-year old and try to get them to fight.  Except in our case, we actually do instead of crawl around trying to escape.
2014-02-25 08:31:34 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: Hey dog, thanks for the NSFW website.


I didn't provide a link, just a name. Just because "dot com" happens to be both the name and the url, you can't pin that on me. Anyway the site has a warning page that explains the comic is more or less NSFW.

You did all that to yourself. That's free will. Unless...

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2014-02-25 08:16:06 AM  
1 votes:
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Doesn't always work
2014-02-25 07:37:16 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: If those who choose to pray properly have their prayers answered, how is that a violation of free will?


Let's apply a little logic here, shall we?

Say that you pray for a specific outcome. If god had a different outcome in mind, then you are praying to change god's mind. In essence, telling god that god's planned outcome is wrong, and lobbying for your intended outcome. I doubt your god will be very accommodating in the face of the implied insult. If god's intended outcome is the same as your outcome, it's possible that god may become offended at your cheekiness and deliberately switch to another outcome out of spite. You would hope that your god wouldn't be that petty, but let's be realistic here. This is a god who closely watches everybody's genitals all of the time, as well as one who condemned all of humanity for two toddlers being corrupted by the degenerate that god left them alone with. I think your god's plenty petty enough.
2014-02-25 06:18:03 AM  
1 votes:
Just waned to say that the cops and FBI know about all these gangs, where they live, who they are and I have no problem with them rolling tanks in the street and sending every last pimply, baggy assed, illiterate, gutless, violent one of them to a lime pit, tut suite.  And they shouldn't, either.  Now roll the FARK Atheist Brigade.  Out.
2014-02-25 05:01:18 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: an innocent is killed by god ... god is great
an asshole is killed by god ... god is ...
an asshole lives by god ... god is ....
terrorists blow up the trade center god is great
god prevents a different suicide bomb ...


fark it
god is a complete and total asshole

god let bush 2.0 not choke to death on that pretzle ... god is an asshole


Well, yeah. Didn't ever read the old testament.

oglaf.com nails this one.

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2014-02-25 03:15:18 AM  
1 votes:

mamoru: every intervention breaks that promise.


Or does it? Some people pray, some people don't. If those who choose to pray properly have their prayers answered, how is that a violation of free will? Someone spiritual enough to carry a bible in his breast pocket probably prays for the safety of his health and family. That's at least a +2 AC bonus.

On the other hand, I don't think even the Christians think their god is omnipotent. That's why the Catholics invented the holy trinity. Polytheism is the only real logical answer for any religion in the long run. I mean we still honor the Viking and Roman gods daily just by speaking English. When prayers aren't answered all the time, but sometimes the absolutes don't make sense. But if you've got a strapping big thunder god like Thor who's too busy dressing up like his sister to get his hammer back from horny giants to stop and help every warrior with a rock in his shoe, that makes sense on a deep emotional level. "Of course the gods can't hear every prayer, but I'm beloved of them. They must be busy. "

Anyway, the moral of the story is you should always keep a black walnut tree on your property and some chalk and iron nails by the door, just in case.
2014-02-25 01:53:49 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It'd take a 20mm depleted uranium round to punch through bullsh*t that dense

I wonder if it's as legitimate as the cop who's badge stopped a bullet.


The story does seem a bit far fetched doesn't it?  He was outnumbered three to one, he was shot in the leg and stabbed in the arm, but apparently still managed to disarm one person of a gun and another of a knife, after which all three fled.  I'm not saying that's impossible, but if it turns out to be false I won't exactly be shocked.
2014-02-25 01:32:52 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It'd take a 20mm depleted uranium round to punch through bullsh*t that dense


I wonder if it's as legitimate as the cop who's badge stopped a bullet.
2014-02-25 12:38:49 AM  
1 votes:
It'd take a 20mm depleted uranium round to punch through bullsh*t that dense
2014-02-25 12:31:14 AM  
1 votes:
Unless you gave political speech afterwards, I'm not impressed.
 
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