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(WXYZ Detroit)   Man fatally shoots himself during gun safety lesson. And yes, alcohol may have been a factor   (wxyz.com) divider line 31
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2014-02-25 07:12:58 AM  
4 votes:

Fubini: Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".


I bet he'd have described himself as a 'responsible gun owner' 5 minutes before shooting himself in the head.  Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.
2014-02-24 11:54:15 PM  
4 votes:
The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.


Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.
2014-02-25 07:16:08 AM  
3 votes:
The only person that can stop a dumb guy with a gun is...well, often it's that same dumb guy.
2014-02-25 12:29:44 AM  
3 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2014-02-25 08:14:50 AM  
2 votes:
I don't advocate taking all the guns, but these stories and threads always make me believe there should be fewer people allowed to own guns.
2014-02-25 08:14:27 AM  
2 votes:
Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.
2014-02-25 08:08:11 AM  
2 votes:

rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.


Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.


Also cars are useful, unlike guns.
2014-02-25 08:00:48 AM  
2 votes:

rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.


Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.
2014-02-25 07:43:47 AM  
2 votes:

generallyso: Jim_Callahan: The chances of screwing up on all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.

I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge' since the act is less an accident that couldn't be reasonably avoided than it is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.


Concur.  The Army folks I work with in my new civvie life seem to think I am confused when I call what they term an "accidental discharge" a "negligent discharge" - but that is the term I learned, and I think it is much more appropriate than an AD
2014-02-25 07:41:48 AM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


Usually this doesn't get as many bites, but it's doing quite well in this thread. Kudos!


Egoy3k: This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye). You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.


Or you can shine a light down the muzzle while looking into the breech end to see if the light shines through.

Or if you really must peer into the muzzle, you could use a mirror.
=Smidge=
2014-02-25 07:27:12 AM  
2 votes:

MythDragon: ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.


This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye).  You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.
2014-02-25 07:25:32 AM  
2 votes:

Fubini: How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


According to this article, it sounds like about 2 responsible gun owners become irresponsible gun owners each day.
2014-02-25 07:19:29 AM  
2 votes:

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".


He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

Just give them some booze and some time.
2014-02-25 07:17:18 AM  
2 votes:
So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?
2014-02-25 07:08:52 AM  
2 votes:
Why won't someone pass some common sense alcohol control laws? How many more people need to die so you alcohol nuts continue to drink? Why can't we model our society after Saudi Arabia?
2014-02-25 09:18:25 AM  
1 votes:

THANK YOU

for removing yourself from the gene pool.

2014-02-25 08:27:11 AM  
1 votes:
Yet another in a long string of rare and isolated incidents.  Nothing to see here.  Move along people.
2014-02-25 07:39:57 AM  
1 votes:
And nothing of value was lost.
2014-02-25 07:38:41 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: The chances of screwing up on all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.


I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge' since the act is less an accident that couldn't be reasonably avoided than it is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.
2014-02-25 07:37:03 AM  
1 votes:
Not trying to doubt her claim of suicide-by-stupid that her beloved boyfriend put three separate guns to his head and pulled the trigger each time during a perfectly normal gun safety lesson of responsible gun ownership whilst drinking themselves blind with three children in the house, but perhaps cops should check her hands for gunshot residue.

Then check her other boyfriend for same said residue.

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2014-02-25 07:34:02 AM  
1 votes:

Muta: I bet he'd have described himself as a 'responsible gun owner' 5 minutes before shooting himself in the head.  Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.


There's no way anyone that would even consider doing what's described in TFA has so much as a half-hour of range time or a hunting license.  So, no.  People that would even claim to be responsible usually have a reason for owning guns that requires some level of basic competence to execute.

One of the reasons that you drill so much when training with guns is that you  will occasionally do something stupid, same as with an automobile, and sometimes people  do shoot themselves just from not paying attention even though they're competent, just like normally competent people sometimes stop paying attention to the road for a second and ram their car into someone at combined 100+ mph over a median.  This... this is not one of those times.

// Also, gun safety has a lot of redundancies.  The reason gun accidents are usually "someone was shot" and not "someone was killed" is that even if you stupidly put your finger on the trigger, you have to also stupidly not have the safety on, stupidly have a round chambered, and have it pointed in a fairly specific direction to actually kill someone.  The chances of screwing up on  all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.  When it is lethal it's generally not "accidental" in any way, it's usually 100% your damned fault and manslaughter at minimum.
2014-02-25 07:32:16 AM  
1 votes:
Is this the redneck version of Russian Roulette? Using multiple guns instead of chambers.
2014-02-25 07:27:37 AM  
1 votes:
The first rule of gun safety is no gun safety lessons if you've been drinking.
2014-02-25 07:26:32 AM  
1 votes:

dragonchild: So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?


Well we'll see a follow up if tests show that he didn't have any alcohol in his system and gunshot residue on his hands,
2014-02-25 07:23:47 AM  
1 votes:
 ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.
2014-02-25 07:23:38 AM  
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


More like raging alcoholic.

But that doesn't fit your preconceived notion of gun owners huh?
2014-02-25 07:10:03 AM  
1 votes:
Always loaded, guns are.
2014-02-25 07:08:55 AM  
1 votes:
I'm guessing she learned something from that demonstration.
2014-02-25 01:51:56 AM  
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?
2014-02-25 01:49:05 AM  
1 votes:
Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.
2014-02-25 12:12:01 AM  
1 votes:
Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.
 
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