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2014-02-24 11:54:15 PM  
The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.


Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.
 
2014-02-25 12:12:01 AM  
Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.
 
2014-02-25 12:29:44 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-25 12:30:26 AM  
As I've always heard, the third times a charm.
 
2014-02-25 01:49:05 AM  
Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.
 
2014-02-25 01:49:38 AM  
I guess that 'was' a double action.
 
2014-02-25 01:51:56 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?
 
2014-02-25 03:14:55 AM  

bdub77: The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.



seriously
HOW was this not ruled a suicide?
 
2014-02-25 04:10:49 AM  
Oh... Alcohol may have been a factor, but Stupidity was a bigger factor.
 
2014-02-25 04:31:39 AM  

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


Well over a hundred million, but why do you ask? There is no shiat smearing narrative. No siree bob.
 
2014-02-25 06:32:59 AM  
It's like raaaaaaaaaain.
 
2014-02-25 07:08:52 AM  
Why won't someone pass some common sense alcohol control laws? How many more people need to die so you alcohol nuts continue to drink? Why can't we model our society after Saudi Arabia?
 
2014-02-25 07:08:55 AM  
I'm guessing she learned something from that demonstration.
 
2014-02-25 07:10:03 AM  
Always loaded, guns are.
 
2014-02-25 07:12:58 AM  

Fubini: Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".


I bet he'd have described himself as a 'responsible gun owner' 5 minutes before shooting himself in the head.  Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.
 
2014-02-25 07:16:08 AM  
The only person that can stop a dumb guy with a gun is...well, often it's that same dumb guy.
 
2014-02-25 07:17:18 AM  
So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?
 
2014-02-25 07:19:29 AM  

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".


He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

Just give them some booze and some time.
 
2014-02-25 07:20:02 AM  
What a stupid way to die. Really, every gun is loaded even if totally broken down.
 
2014-02-25 07:21:22 AM  
GUN THEREAD!
 
2014-02-25 07:22:54 AM  
FTA: Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

i.imgur.com

Shhh. Don't say anything. Let's just watch.
 
2014-02-25 07:23:38 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


More like raging alcoholic.

But that doesn't fit your preconceived notion of gun owners huh?
 
2014-02-25 07:23:47 AM  
 ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.
 
2014-02-25 07:25:32 AM  

Fubini: How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


According to this article, it sounds like about 2 responsible gun owners become irresponsible gun owners each day.
 
2014-02-25 07:26:32 AM  

dragonchild: So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?


Well we'll see a follow up if tests show that he didn't have any alcohol in his system and gunshot residue on his hands,
 
2014-02-25 07:26:37 AM  
Skittles anyone?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-25 07:26:42 AM  
Teaching through negative example. Like Cheech and Chong.
 
2014-02-25 07:27:12 AM  

MythDragon: ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.


This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye).  You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.
 
2014-02-25 07:27:37 AM  
The first rule of gun safety is no gun safety lessons if you've been drinking.
 
2014-02-25 07:30:58 AM  
It's empty now. Or is it?
 
2014-02-25 07:32:16 AM  
Is this the redneck version of Russian Roulette? Using multiple guns instead of chambers.
 
2014-02-25 07:33:43 AM  

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


Judging by Fark.  7
 
2014-02-25 07:34:02 AM  

Muta: I bet he'd have described himself as a 'responsible gun owner' 5 minutes before shooting himself in the head.  Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.


There's no way anyone that would even consider doing what's described in TFA has so much as a half-hour of range time or a hunting license.  So, no.  People that would even claim to be responsible usually have a reason for owning guns that requires some level of basic competence to execute.

One of the reasons that you drill so much when training with guns is that you  will occasionally do something stupid, same as with an automobile, and sometimes people  do shoot themselves just from not paying attention even though they're competent, just like normally competent people sometimes stop paying attention to the road for a second and ram their car into someone at combined 100+ mph over a median.  This... this is not one of those times.

// Also, gun safety has a lot of redundancies.  The reason gun accidents are usually "someone was shot" and not "someone was killed" is that even if you stupidly put your finger on the trigger, you have to also stupidly not have the safety on, stupidly have a round chambered, and have it pointed in a fairly specific direction to actually kill someone.  The chances of screwing up on  all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.  When it is lethal it's generally not "accidental" in any way, it's usually 100% your damned fault and manslaughter at minimum.
 
2014-02-25 07:37:03 AM  
Not trying to doubt her claim of suicide-by-stupid that her beloved boyfriend put three separate guns to his head and pulled the trigger each time during a perfectly normal gun safety lesson of responsible gun ownership whilst drinking themselves blind with three children in the house, but perhaps cops should check her hands for gunshot residue.

Then check her other boyfriend for same said residue.

/better call Saul.jpg
 
2014-02-25 07:37:28 AM  

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


Shush you, any outlier is clearly demonstrating common characteristics of the whole
 
2014-02-25 07:38:29 AM  
Gun safety lesson? More like a Darwin lesson. He was a good teacher.
 
2014-02-25 07:38:41 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The chances of screwing up on all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.


I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge' since the act is less an accident that couldn't be reasonably avoided than it is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.
 
2014-02-25 07:39:57 AM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2014-02-25 07:41:48 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


Usually this doesn't get as many bites, but it's doing quite well in this thread. Kudos!


Egoy3k: This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye). You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.


Or you can shine a light down the muzzle while looking into the breech end to see if the light shines through.

Or if you really must peer into the muzzle, you could use a mirror.
=Smidge=
 
2014-02-25 07:43:47 AM  

generallyso: Jim_Callahan: The chances of screwing up on all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.

I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge' since the act is less an accident that couldn't be reasonably avoided than it is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.


Concur.  The Army folks I work with in my new civvie life seem to think I am confused when I call what they term an "accidental discharge" a "negligent discharge" - but that is the term I learned, and I think it is much more appropriate than an AD
 
2014-02-25 07:47:36 AM  
This is why we need helmet laws.
 
2014-02-25 07:47:56 AM  
Never play russian roulette with a magazine fed sidearm?
 
2014-02-25 07:49:44 AM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye). You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.


Or you can shine a light down the muzzle while looking into the breech end to see if the light shines through.

Or if you really must peer into the muzzle, you could use a mirror.
=Smidge=



Egoy3k:
static.tvtropes.org
"I'm not seeing the problem here"
 
2014-02-25 07:53:27 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Shush you, any outlier is clearly demonstrating common characteristics of the whole


Well, the result of said outlier kinda matters.  If I'm at a Wal-mart and I'm actually wearing a shirt and pants the right way with shoes on my feet I'm definitely an outlier but the worst of it is that I look out of place.  The "outlier" to someone mishandling a car or a gun is that someone can get killed, which is why we very closely regulate. . . um, the one where the primary function is transportation.

generallyso: I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge'


Imagine how your mom must feel.
 
2014-02-25 07:53:57 AM  

namatad: bdub77: The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.


seriously
HOW was this not ruled a suicide?


They just need a new category. Death by retardedly stupid thing to do.
 
2014-02-25 07:55:29 AM  

Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?


I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.
 
2014-02-25 07:56:26 AM  
Maybe if she would've been armed, too, this could've been avoided?
 
2014-02-25 08:00:48 AM  

rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.


Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.
 
2014-02-25 08:01:02 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


On what planet? -5 troll, try harder.
 
2014-02-25 08:02:42 AM  
He obviously wasnt carrying his bible at the time.
 
2014-02-25 08:08:11 AM  

rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.


Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.


Also cars are useful, unlike guns.
 
2014-02-25 08:08:42 AM  
Russian roulette - you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-02-25 08:09:15 AM  

generallyso: Jim_Callahan: The chances of screwing up on all of that at once is pretty low, so accidental discharge is usually just scary and sometimes injures people, but is rarely if ever lethal.

I've never liked the term 'accidental discharge' since the act is less an accident that couldn't be reasonably avoided than it is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.


Well, it sort of relates to the legal concept of partial liability, in my mind.  You can be  partly responsible for something and it still be considered an accident, especially if you're mostly behaving in a way designed to use the equipment safely.  I'll buy that the various videos of people drawing too fast and shooting themselves in the foot count as accidental.

If you actually hit a vital area, though, there's pretty much no way that you just made some small error that spun out of control due to random chance.  The only way to do that is to either intentionally point the barrel at someone or to make no effort to control the direction of the weapon.  Since avoiding these is  incredibly easy and also incredibly obvious (it's not like you can not notice you're pointing a gun at someone) all of those stories are straight-up negligence.
 
2014-02-25 08:11:25 AM  
change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.


So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!
 
2014-02-25 08:13:46 AM  

change1211: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.


Jeez, what happened there.

halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!


Couldn't you always?
 
2014-02-25 08:14:27 AM  
Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.
 
2014-02-25 08:14:50 AM  
I don't advocate taking all the guns, but these stories and threads always make me believe there should be fewer people allowed to own guns.
 
2014-02-25 08:18:39 AM  

halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!


Nah, Oldsmobile, just ask Ash!
 
2014-02-25 08:18:47 AM  

halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!


I know people who pay good money for those stupid whistle things to desperately *avoid* hunting with their Buick, but they still manage to score some pretty sweet kills...
 
2014-02-25 08:20:28 AM  

change1211: change1211: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

Jeez, what happened there.

halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!

Couldn't you always?


I almost bagged a moose with a '72 Ford Galaxy. I don't know who would have won. That sucker was big, but that Ford was one gross f**king wad of American Iron.
 
2014-02-25 08:27:11 AM  
Yet another in a long string of rare and isolated incidents.  Nothing to see here.  Move along people.
 
2014-02-25 08:27:11 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I know people who pay good money for those stupid whistle things to desperately *avoid* hunting with their Buick, but they still manage to score some pretty sweet kills...

I remember when just about every car in my hometown had those dumb things on them. I think one of those whistling tailpipe things would be more effective.

change1211: Couldn't you always?


Sure, but now we can have a season for it.
 
2014-02-25 08:29:38 AM  
halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!

Couldn't you always?

I almost bagged a moose with a '72 Ford Galaxy. I don't know who would have won. That sucker was big, but that Ford was one gross f**king wad of American Iron.


I think that would have been a situation where everyone lost.
 
2014-02-25 08:30:13 AM  
I love it when people drink they do the dumbest things, further proving that drinkers are nothing more than morons.
 
2014-02-25 08:31:52 AM  
And once more, the herd is culled.  I guess gun owners are the ultimate conservationists!
 
2014-02-25 08:32:42 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


DRINK!!
 
2014-02-25 08:33:46 AM  
great argument for gun ownership. Despite all the shootings that haven't been reported every time a sensationalist story about 1 shooting takes place.

Gun ownership can remove stupid people by their own actions.
 
2014-02-25 08:34:32 AM  

halfpastnvr: change1211:

Isn't this the same argument as doctor's errors? People use cars for a useful purpose, less so with guns.MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Also cars are useful, unlike guns.

So we can hunt with a Buick now? Awesome!



During their first year together, a friend of mine took out more deer with a '93 Ford Thunderbird than her husband did with a 30-30.
 
2014-02-25 08:35:11 AM  

jso2897: I almost bagged a moose with a '72 Ford Galaxy. I don't know who would have won. That sucker was big, but that Ford was one gross f**king wad of American Iron.


I think the result would've been fusion.
 
2014-02-25 08:41:57 AM  
Are we sure it was an accident?
murderpedia.org
 
2014-02-25 08:42:01 AM  
I never understand how people can possibly shoot themselves while cleaning their gun, since it's supposed to be in pieces. Then I remember that some people die while trying to take a shower.

But this is a whole new stupid.
 
2014-02-25 08:57:01 AM  

youmightberight: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

More like raging alcoholic.

But that doesn't fit your preconceived notion of gun owners huh?


No,actually SPOT ON. Dumb hillbilly, drunk all day, showing how "smrt" he is by HOLDING A GUN TO HIS HEAD....
 
2014-02-25 09:11:48 AM  
A 36-year-old Michigan man is dead after shooting himself in the head while teaching a girlfriend how NOT to handle pistols.

ftfm
 
2014-02-25 09:17:47 AM  
If I was 200% sure a gun was unloaded, I would NEVER point it at mine or anyone else's head and pull the trigger. That's just plain ignorant.
 
2014-02-25 09:18:25 AM  

THANK YOU

for removing yourself from the gene pool.

 
2014-02-25 09:18:57 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

Shush you, any outlier is clearly demonstrating common characteristics of the whole


I have read arguments citing individual and isolated instances of child abuse by homosexual individuals as proof that homosexuals in general are pederasts. Certainly, those who cite this case as proof that firearm owners are typically careless and irresponsible must agree with that reasoning, as they are employing it themselves.
 
2014-02-25 09:19:42 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.


So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...
 
2014-02-25 09:22:13 AM  

deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...


This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.
 
2014-02-25 09:30:04 AM  

violentsalvation: How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

Well over a hundred million, but why do you ask? There is no shiat smearing narrative. No siree bob.


Don't let facts get in the way of your hyperbole or anything.  You are claiming that 1/3 of every American man, woman and child owns a handgun.  Or, you are claiming that over 45% of every adult owns a handgun.  That isn't remotely close to being in the vicinity of accurate.  You are off by a factor of at least two, and that's giving you a LOT of leeway, and going with the high estimates of various surveys.
 One guy owning two guns doesn't mean that he and his neighbor each have a gun.


There are over 16,000 "accidental" shootings per year, on average.  You decide for yourself whether that is a "good rate" or "bad rate."  There are 7 billion humans on the planet, 'tis but a drop in the bucket.
 
2014-02-25 09:30:30 AM  

change1211: deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...

This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.


Read: I have no logical argument...switching to personal attack mode
 
2014-02-25 09:44:54 AM  

Egoy3k: MythDragon: ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.

This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye).  You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.


This must be a troll, right?  Because with a few rare exceptions like the Liberator or the GG-13 tear gas pistol, every gun I have ever owned/handled/sold/worked on had a way of checking the breech while keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
 
2014-02-25 09:48:46 AM  

rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.


And yet we allow anyone who passes an easy test to get a license to operate any class D vehicle, without a background check, often without and required practice time, and without the local police department having the option to deny you for any reason.  And at the young age of 16, to boot.  How many people who piss their pants when they hear the word "gun" would be OK with guns having the same requirements as a car?

Oh, and not to mention that you don't need to meet any of those requirements to actually *buy* a car, or drive one on private property.
 
2014-02-25 09:55:48 AM  

dragonchild: So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?


I suspect they checked her hands for residue. That seems like a pretty bold claim to take at face value.
 
2014-02-25 10:01:38 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


*pokes* you know that that's really dumb and hurts those of us who ARE responsible, right?
 
2014-02-25 10:02:34 AM  
This guy is an arsehole who mishandled a dangerous weapon, therefore my rights as a responsible gun owners should be infringed.

/Liberal logic.
 
2014-02-25 10:03:10 AM  
Responsible or not, he is now part of the ~31,000 deaths per year statistic (all intents) from guns
If he had survived he still would have been part of the ~82,000 injured per year statistic (all intents) from guns

Even if he had shot himself with a bb gun or pellet gun, he could have been one of the ~18,000 injured by those weapons every year.

Projectile weapons are not to be taken lightly, they should never be thought of as toys or safe, or unloaded, nor should they be the first option for conflict resolution, but it seems that ~31 people out of every 100,000 every year decide to disregard these precautions.
 
2014-02-25 10:05:46 AM  
Great, now we're going to have some idiotic congresscritter wanting breathalyzers as well as finger print recognition before shooting a gun.

Wonderful
 
2014-02-25 10:06:44 AM  
Irresponsible headline much? The incident had nothing to do with demonstrating gun safety and everything to do with idiocy.

Now, admittedly, I've never taken an "official" firearm safety class (we discussed firearm/range safety in the Boy Scouts*), but regardless, I'm pretty sure they don't teach you to ever place a gun, empty or not, to your head.

*inbetween bouts of unbridled Scoutmaster-led sex
 
2014-02-25 10:26:53 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.


Please tell me you're dumb enough to think that regulating guns like cars would lead to increased gun control
 
2014-02-25 10:27:10 AM  
Actually, that guy had a pretty good run for being that stupid. Something was bound to get him.
 
2014-02-25 10:29:11 AM  
BREAKING:  It turns out there was a hidden camera in the room!  The girlfriend made up the story about a "gun safety demonstration" because she didn't want to admit she was cheating on him.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-25 10:30:52 AM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye). You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.


Or you can shine a light down the muzzle while looking into the breech end to see if the light shines through.

Or if you really must peer into the muzzle, you could use a mirror.
=Smidge=


If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic.  I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel.  I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.
 
2014-02-25 10:33:30 AM  

Skyd1v: Egoy3k: MythDragon: ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.

This isn't true, unless you have a break action, or a bolt that can be removed there is no way to check the barrel for obstruction without pointing it at your head(eye).  You have to prove that the firearm is empty and safe before doing so.

This must be a troll, right?  Because with a few rare exceptions like the Liberator or the GG-13 tear gas pistol, every gun I have ever owned/handled/sold/worked on had a way of checking the breech while keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.


It's a good thing I wasn't discussing checking the breech isn't it?
 
2014-02-25 10:45:40 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

Shush you, any outlier is clearly demonstrating common characteristics of the whole


I'm still waiting on today's police abuse news stories because it happens all the time and should be producing around 5 news stories a day somewhere in the country.  Should be any minute now.
 
2014-02-25 10:51:02 AM  

Acravius: Responsible or not, he is now part of the ~31,000 deaths per year statistic (all intents) from guns
If he had survived he still would have been part of the ~82,000 injured per year statistic (all intents) from guns

Even if he had shot himself with a bb gun or pellet gun, he could have been one of the ~18,000 injured by those weapons every year.

Projectile weapons are not to be taken lightly, they should never be thought of as toys or safe, or unloaded, nor should they be the first option for conflict resolution, but it seems that ~31 people out of every 100,000 every year decide to disregard these precautions.


Responsible or not, he's also a part of the 88,000 people who die of alcohol related causes. We need more restrictions on alcohol.
 
2014-02-25 10:59:10 AM  

Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.


Drink Responsibly.
 
2014-02-25 11:00:30 AM  

Doom MD: Responsible or not, he's also a part of the 88,000 people who die of alcohol related causes. We need more restrictions on alcohol.


What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that bans the production, distribution and sale of alcoholic beverages.
 
2014-02-25 11:00:30 AM  

MythDragon:  ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.


I can tell when a gun is empty: it's disassembled on my table. Any other time, it's loaded.
 
2014-02-25 11:02:22 AM  

fusillade762: Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.


The story would be perfect had he shot himself on the edge of a dumpster.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:56 AM  
Why people want to stop this is beyond my logic?

"Multiple firearm owner gets drunk and shoots himself."

/If anything, this should be encouraged.
//Hopefully before breeding.
 
2014-02-25 11:14:40 AM  

fusillade762: Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.


Too late
They're self-replicating
 
2014-02-25 11:18:04 AM  

stoli n coke: Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.


Responsible parents, good students, good Christians...
 
2014-02-25 11:22:29 AM  

bdub77: The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.


I'd feel extremely uncomfortable putting a gun that I had just cleaned and reassembled - knowing for certain that it was unloaded - to my head and pulling the trigger.

Some people are idiots and I don't feel alot of sympathy when they pull themselves from the gene pool.
 
2014-02-25 11:37:24 AM  

deadlyplatypus: change1211: deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...

This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.

Read: I have no logical argument...switching to personal attack mode



www.armedassault.info


Personal attack mode engaged!

/The veritech is in trouble because the 120mm is pointed right at its robo-nuts
 
2014-02-25 12:07:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.


It's Michigan.  You need a permission slip from the sheriff's office to buy a hand gun, you have to (or had to) take a short safety test to get that unless you already owned some, and registration after purchase is mandatory.

What more do you want?
 
2014-02-25 12:27:43 PM  

MythDragon: deadlyplatypus: change1211: deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...

This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.

Read: I have no logical argument...switching to personal attack mode


[www.armedassault.info image 850x463]


Personal attack mode engaged!

/The veritech is in trouble because the 120mm is pointed right at its robo-nuts


I'm impressed.  It's been awhile since I've seen a good Robotech image
 
2014-02-25 12:31:15 PM  

jbuist: HotWingConspiracy: He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.

It's Michigan.  You need a permission slip from the sheriff's office to buy a hand gun, you have to (or had to) take a short safety test to get that unless you already owned some, and registration after purchase is mandatory.

What more do you want?


All guns to be illegal of course.

/Except for cops.

//The only ones responsible enough to have that kind of power.

///They would never abuse it.
 
2014-02-25 12:44:32 PM  
Those who can't do, teach.
 
2014-02-25 12:51:04 PM  

Muta: Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.


If that was the case, wouldn't we have alot fewer gun owners by now?  Maybe you're just a "typical moran".
 
2014-02-25 12:53:42 PM  

stoli n coke: Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.


And, interestingly enough - the vast majority of *both* are correct.

You only read about the exceptions in the papers.
 
2014-02-25 12:56:40 PM  

GanjSmokr: Muta: Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.

If that was the case, wouldn't we have alot fewer gun owners by now?  Maybe you're just a "typical moran".


I was gonna say he was a 'typical girfriend haver'

It's always these guys with girlfriends who cause problems by trying to impress them.
 
2014-02-25 01:13:43 PM  

Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.


So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=
 
2014-02-25 01:38:24 PM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.

So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=


Two trained safety instructors in both my non-restricted and restricted firearms safety courses demonstrated this procedure to me.  This isn't some fiction that I thought up in my head.  I received perfect practical scores in both programs while using this procedure (there wasn't a flashlight available to me during either test). I have also used this procedure at a range after a primer pop put a .308 round part way into my barrel.  Since I was standing next to a range master (and part owner of the club) and I'm still a full standing member of the range I think he was pretty OK with it as well.

You may not like doing it and that is fine I don't like it either and avoid it if I can. I don't wet my pants if it is necessary either.  The fact is that sometimes this happens, and it's perfectly safe if you follow the steps that I clearly laid out.  Please stop using childish insults over a minor online disagreement about firearms safety.
 
2014-02-25 02:37:13 PM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.

So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=


It's not idiocy.
It's perfectly normal to look down the barrel at certain times. It's one of the first things I do when I'm looking at a used gun I may want to buy, especially at a gun show. With the action open enough light is let in for me to see any major rifling issues, rust, corrosion, etc.
I keep my finger in the action out of trained habit, but it's really just excess caution as the gun isn't going to magically manifest a loaded magazine, rack itself, and put my eye out.
 
2014-02-25 03:06:49 PM  

ChaosStar: the gun isn't going to magically manifest a loaded magazine, rack itself, and put my eye out.


Never misunderestimate the powers of a ARK-747 Glock.
 
2014-02-25 04:28:58 PM  
Terry Kath sends his sympathies.
 
2014-02-26 03:26:34 PM  

dragonchild: So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?


Yeah, came to say this.

Sure sure ...
 
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