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(WXYZ Detroit)   Man fatally shoots himself during gun safety lesson. And yes, alcohol may have been a factor   (wxyz.com) divider line 120
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2014-02-25 11:00:30 AM  

MythDragon:  ...demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Techincally this is true. Guns *are* safe when empty. But alas, a gun is never empty.


I can tell when a gun is empty: it's disassembled on my table. Any other time, it's loaded.
 
2014-02-25 11:02:22 AM  

fusillade762: Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.


The story would be perfect had he shot himself on the edge of a dumpster.
 
2014-02-25 11:03:56 AM  
Why people want to stop this is beyond my logic?

"Multiple firearm owner gets drunk and shoots himself."

/If anything, this should be encouraged.
//Hopefully before breeding.
 
2014-02-25 11:14:40 AM  

fusillade762: Please tell me this idiot hasn't bred and that Darwin got him clean.


Too late
They're self-replicating
 
2014-02-25 11:18:04 AM  

stoli n coke: Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.


Responsible parents, good students, good Christians...
 
2014-02-25 11:22:29 AM  

bdub77: The woman tells police her boyfriend had been drinking most of the day before showing her how to use his three handguns and demonstrating they were safe when empty.

Police say he placed the first two guns to his head and pulled the triggers once each, but the third gun fired. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Ahh yes I remember that test in firearm safety, the one where you put each gun to your head and pull the trigger to make sure they aren't loaded before handing it to another person.


I'd feel extremely uncomfortable putting a gun that I had just cleaned and reassembled - knowing for certain that it was unloaded - to my head and pulling the trigger.

Some people are idiots and I don't feel alot of sympathy when they pull themselves from the gene pool.
 
2014-02-25 11:37:24 AM  

deadlyplatypus: change1211: deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...

This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.

Read: I have no logical argument...switching to personal attack mode



www.armedassault.info


Personal attack mode engaged!

/The veritech is in trouble because the 120mm is pointed right at its robo-nuts
 
2014-02-25 12:07:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.


It's Michigan.  You need a permission slip from the sheriff's office to buy a hand gun, you have to (or had to) take a short safety test to get that unless you already owned some, and registration after purchase is mandatory.

What more do you want?
 
2014-02-25 12:27:43 PM  

MythDragon: deadlyplatypus: change1211: deadlyplatypus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: rolladuck: Fubini: Kittypie070: Responsible gun owner, ladies n gentlemen.

Someone shoots themselves in the head in this matter is guaranteed not to be a "responsible gun owner".

How many gun owners make it through the year while managing not to shoot themselves (or anyone else) accidentally?

I take out the word "gun" and substitute "car".  And yes, there are many "car owners" how kill themselves, loved ones and strangers every year.  There are hundreds of millions more "car owners" who manage to not do so, despite using the machine capable of doing so every day, sometimes for an hour or more every day.
Some are responsible car owners, some are just lucky.

Most of them are licensed though. And the industry is regulated.

I like your analogy.

So....you're saying there's no licensing procedure for people who want to own, carry, or use guns in any locations?  That there are no regulations on firearms?

That's interesting, people must just WANT to wait 3 days to purchase firearms in some states.... just like they have to for cars....

Some others must just WANT to wait until they're 18 to purchase firearms...just like they do cars...

Some people must just voluntarily GIVE up their right to own, posess, or touch firearms after committing even a non-violent felony...just like they lose their right to own, posess, or touch cars...

P.S. - Your system of licensing drivers is doing a much better job of keeping people safe compared to the completely unregulated firearms black market, murder-death-kill free-for-all we have in this country, I mean, just look at how many fewer deaths are caused by cars than firearms...

This is why we need to prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns.

Read: I have no logical argument...switching to personal attack mode


[www.armedassault.info image 850x463]


Personal attack mode engaged!

/The veritech is in trouble because the 120mm is pointed right at its robo-nuts


I'm impressed.  It's been awhile since I've seen a good Robotech image
 
2014-02-25 12:31:15 PM  

jbuist: HotWingConspiracy: He was responsible right up until he wasn't responsible anymore. Weird how that works out. Oh well, I can't see any reason for firearms regulation, everyone should have some, no questions asked.

It's Michigan.  You need a permission slip from the sheriff's office to buy a hand gun, you have to (or had to) take a short safety test to get that unless you already owned some, and registration after purchase is mandatory.

What more do you want?


All guns to be illegal of course.

/Except for cops.

//The only ones responsible enough to have that kind of power.

///They would never abuse it.
 
2014-02-25 12:44:32 PM  
Those who can't do, teach.
 
2014-02-25 12:51:04 PM  

Muta: Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.


If that was the case, wouldn't we have alot fewer gun owners by now?  Maybe you're just a "typical moran".
 
2014-02-25 12:53:42 PM  

stoli n coke: Everyone who owns a gun thinks they are a responsible gun owner, just like everyone who owns a car thinks they're a responsible driver.


And, interestingly enough - the vast majority of *both* are correct.

You only read about the exceptions in the papers.
 
2014-02-25 12:56:40 PM  

GanjSmokr: Muta: Really, he's more of a 'typical gun owner'.

If that was the case, wouldn't we have alot fewer gun owners by now?  Maybe you're just a "typical moran".


I was gonna say he was a 'typical girfriend haver'

It's always these guys with girlfriends who cause problems by trying to impress them.
 
2014-02-25 01:13:43 PM  

Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.


So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=
 
2014-02-25 01:38:24 PM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.

So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=


Two trained safety instructors in both my non-restricted and restricted firearms safety courses demonstrated this procedure to me.  This isn't some fiction that I thought up in my head.  I received perfect practical scores in both programs while using this procedure (there wasn't a flashlight available to me during either test). I have also used this procedure at a range after a primer pop put a .308 round part way into my barrel.  Since I was standing next to a range master (and part owner of the club) and I'm still a full standing member of the range I think he was pretty OK with it as well.

You may not like doing it and that is fine I don't like it either and avoid it if I can. I don't wet my pants if it is necessary either.  The fact is that sometimes this happens, and it's perfectly safe if you follow the steps that I clearly laid out.  Please stop using childish insults over a minor online disagreement about firearms safety.
 
2014-02-25 02:37:13 PM  

Smidge204: Egoy3k: If you are in the woods you may not have a flashlight or a mirror with you. Sure on the over under shotgun or the bolt action I look from the action down towards the muzzle but I don't go hunting for a mirror or flashlight if I'm checking my semi-automatic. I empty the weapon, check the feeding path and the chamber and look down the barrel. I was taught to do this by my safety instructor.

So if you're in the woods and don't have a flashlight, either:

1) There is some other source of light you can use, such as the sun or a campfire, or

2) It's too dark to see down the barrel even if you shoved your face against the muzzle anyway, so WTF are you expecting to accomplish?

Please stop trying to justify your idiocy.
=Smidge=


It's not idiocy.
It's perfectly normal to look down the barrel at certain times. It's one of the first things I do when I'm looking at a used gun I may want to buy, especially at a gun show. With the action open enough light is let in for me to see any major rifling issues, rust, corrosion, etc.
I keep my finger in the action out of trained habit, but it's really just excess caution as the gun isn't going to magically manifest a loaded magazine, rack itself, and put my eye out.
 
2014-02-25 03:06:49 PM  

ChaosStar: the gun isn't going to magically manifest a loaded magazine, rack itself, and put my eye out.


Never misunderestimate the powers of a ARK-747 Glock.
 
2014-02-25 04:28:58 PM  
Terry Kath sends his sympathies.
 
2014-02-26 03:26:34 PM  

dragonchild: So the only witness, his girlfriend, claims he was drinking all day and died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?


Yeah, came to say this.

Sure sure ...
 
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