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(Harvard University)   Now we are experiencing the "Echo Boom": Generation Y, and their first attempt at political participation   (iop.harvard.edu) divider line 215
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2014-02-24 07:46:22 PM  
Interesting. I can only hope this new generation does indeed end the war on drugs and put a halt to our reflexive tendency to use military force at the drop of a hat. Bureaucratic inertia can be a biatch to overcome, though.
 
2014-02-24 08:27:11 PM  
They're not going to be an important voting bloc until their grandparents die off.
 
2014-02-24 08:30:34 PM  
FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.
 
2014-02-24 08:39:10 PM  
FTFA: An average college freshman for the 2012/2013 school year-someone who will vote for president for the first time this year-may quite possibly share a birthday with yahoo.com.

How old is this blog posting?
 
2014-02-24 08:40:11 PM  

Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.


His point in general is just bloody stupid.

In their first election, the Boomers capitalized on a decade of activism by electing Jimmy Carter president. As the shadow of Watergate lifted from the Oval Office, Carter used his political capital to pursue a pacifist foreign policy and a progressive domestic agenda. He created the Departments of Education and Energy, limited nuclear proliferation worldwide, and returned the Panama Canal Zone. Whether or not his presidency will ultimately survive the crucible of history is not the point: Carter represented the political might of a new generation

And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.
 
2014-02-24 08:50:38 PM  
More importantly, a good chunk of the recently of age voting public grew up with good years under Clinton, and a lot of bad years under Bush.

I was born in 80, and my recollections of Reagan are my dad being laid off in 85, and the things about the AK-47 he said stuck with me so much I thought the Republicans (that love Reagan) were pro gun control until I actually started to pay attention.  Didn't help the majority of the union member Democrats I knew in Michigan were also big gun owners.

I also very clearly remember the tantrum the GOP had over Clinton's blowjob (yes, perjury about the BJ), and their attempts to shutdown the government didn't leave me with a good impression of them.

Then add in the Bush years, followed by a new set of tantrums over Obama.

Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.
 
2014-02-24 08:55:59 PM  

meyerkev: Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.


I should mention that in general, we've been getting more and more socially liberal, while getting more and more economically conservative.  And that in general, I'm a fan of this.

But saying that Carter is the start of a "new liberal era" based around pacifism and progressivism is just bloody stupid.
 
2014-02-24 09:04:41 PM  
Carter represented the political might of a new generation

Meh, just like post Bush Jr, you could have run a farking blue goat as the democrat after Nixon/Ford and won that election.

/and people were tired of Kennedys.
//Carter's sin was that he beat out Teddy
///because of that, he got no support from both sides of the aisle
 
2014-02-24 09:07:22 PM  
Someone born in 2002 voted for Obama?  2008-2002 = 6.

Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-02-24 09:08:40 PM  

meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.


And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*
 
2014-02-24 09:12:33 PM  
Go home, Harvard Review, you're drunk.
 
2014-02-24 09:14:42 PM  

meyerkev: Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.

His point in general is just bloody stupid.

In their first election, the Boomers capitalized on a decade of activism by electing Jimmy Carter president. As the shadow of Watergate lifted from the Oval Office, Carter used his political capital to pursue a pacifist foreign policy and a progressive domestic agenda. He created the Departments of Education and Energy, limited nuclear proliferation worldwide, and returned the Panama Canal Zone. Whether or not his presidency will ultimately survive the crucible of history is not the point: Carter represented the political might of a new generation

And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.


Yeah, that's bullshiat. The Boomers capitalized by electing Carter? No farking way. Reagan was the Boomer president.
 
2014-02-24 09:15:21 PM  

Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.


No. It ended in 1964.

/Boomer
 
2014-02-24 09:16:10 PM  

HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*


... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...
 
2014-02-24 09:23:14 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*

... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...


I would argue that Bush was better than the group of nay-sayers running the party now. Although it was horrible and wrong, at least he stood for something.
 
2014-02-24 09:24:34 PM  

HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*


Someone in the GOP today referred to pregnant women as 'hosts'. 
I'm represented by Rand Paul and McConnell in congress. 
Sarah Palin
Joe the Plumber
Huckabee
Bachmann

The Republican Party has a lot to work through, so many are just shutting that whole thing down. 
It's not just Bush.
 
2014-02-24 09:26:28 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*

... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...


Democrats are so much better amirite?

Seems that we should all agree that politicians are the issue...
 
2014-02-24 09:31:55 PM  

listernine: Crotchrocket Slim: HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*

... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...

Democrats are so much better amirite?

Seems that we should all agree that politicians are the issue...


One kid took a cookie from the kitchen.

The other kid took more cookies he could eat, threw a tantrum, and smashed the jar. Then blamed the first kid.

Both kids are equally bad, yes?
 
2014-02-24 09:32:19 PM  

listernine: Crotchrocket Slim: HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*

... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...

Democrats are so much better amirite?

Seems that we should all agree that politicians are the issue...


There are plenty of Democrats that I think are thoughtful, intelligent, and competent leaders. Both sides are not equal.
 
2014-02-24 09:33:16 PM  
This generation-naming is becoming as annoying as The Weather Channel's winter storm-naming.
 
2014-02-24 09:35:10 PM  
listernine

Democrats are so much better amirite?

Youarerite.

The current GOP ideology qualifies as a Superfund site.
 
2014-02-24 09:37:09 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: This generation-naming is becoming as annoying as The Weather Channel's winter storm-naming.


We should just use a set of Cards Against Humanity to name natural disasters.
 
2014-02-24 09:40:19 PM  
Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18.

Stopped reading right there. All the disclaimers made sense though.
 
2014-02-24 09:43:21 PM  

Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.


The baby boom ended in the early 70's

I am a baby boomer, not a Gen X'er. Gen Xer's are the douchebags who decided to be punk rockers arfter they moved out of their parents houses and discovered Nirvana
 
2014-02-24 09:44:20 PM  
This crop of voters grew up with the internet, they know how to use it, and they don't isolate themselves to ideological masturbations like baby boomers do.

Kind of makes lying harder o do.
 
2014-02-24 09:45:12 PM  
The next generation will be much like my own.

They'll vote for Nader then check out until the lesser of two evils is infinitely preferable to the greater evil.
 
2014-02-24 09:45:14 PM  

cretinbob: Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.

The baby boom ended in the early 70's

I am a baby boomer, not a Gen X'er. Gen Xer's are the douchebags who decided to be punk rockers arfter they moved out of their parents houses and discovered Nirvana


Don't you mean grunge rockers?
 
2014-02-24 09:46:24 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: This generation-naming is becoming as annoying as The Weather Channel's winter storm-naming.


Market segmentation.
 
2014-02-24 09:47:03 PM  

meyerkev: And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.


a lot of that has to do with the change of media. the rise of the conservative message with no counterpoint. the consolidating of media empires. the rise of right wing radio. the takeover of the party by religious fundamentalists who use people's faith to cudgel their votes.
 
2014-02-24 09:47:21 PM  

listernine: Crotchrocket Slim: HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*

... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...

Democrats are so much better amirite?

Seems that we should all agree that politicians are the issue...


Great, now find a way to get politicians out of politics.
 
2014-02-24 09:49:16 PM  

qorkfiend: meyerkev: Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.

His point in general is just bloody stupid.

In their first election, the Boomers capitalized on a decade of activism by electing Jimmy Carter president. As the shadow of Watergate lifted from the Oval Office, Carter used his political capital to pursue a pacifist foreign policy and a progressive domestic agenda. He created the Departments of Education and Energy, limited nuclear proliferation worldwide, and returned the Panama Canal Zone. Whether or not his presidency will ultimately survive the crucible of history is not the point: Carter represented the political might of a new generation

And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.

Yeah, that's bullshiat. The Boomers capitalized by electing Carter? No farking way. Reagan was the Boomer president.


I don't think so. My generation (born 1960) was pretty apolitical, mostly because of Watergate, Nixon, and memories of Vietnam. Carter made it worse when he reinstated draft registration, which to many of us was a huge slap in the face. For the most part, it was our parents and grandparents who put Reagan in office. The only significant element of my generation which can be held accountable for Reagan was the religious right, which had its genesis in part in the so-called "Jesus people" movement of the early 1970s.
 
2014-02-24 09:50:33 PM  

Hobodeluxe: meyerkev: And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.

a lot of that has to do with the change of media. the rise of the conservative message with no counterpoint. the consolidating of media empires. the rise of right wing radio. the takeover of the party by religious fundamentalists who use people's faith to cudgel their votes.


Stopped dead in its tracks almost overnight. Case in point, all the Crossroads GPS candidates failed, even with all that big donor no,eye behind it.
 
2014-02-24 09:51:19 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Hobodeluxe: meyerkev: And then they immediately turned around and elected Reagan, Reagan, Bush, "Third way" Clinton (and only because Perot was running), Clinton, Bush, Bush.

Your thesis is FLAWED.

Either that or Carter sucked so bad that they couldn't bring themselves to elect a liberal for the next 30 years.

a lot of that has to do with the change of media. the rise of the conservative message with no counterpoint. the consolidating of media empires. the rise of right wing radio. the takeover of the party by religious fundamentalists who use people's faith to cudgel their votes.

Stopped dead in its tracks almost overnight. Case in point, all the Crossroads GPS candidates failed, even with all that big donor no,eye behind it.


Money. God Damn, LG 's keyboard sucks.
 
2014-02-24 09:52:25 PM  

fusillade762: Interesting. I can only hope this new generation does indeed end the war on drugs and put a halt to our reflexive tendency to use military force at the drop of a hat. Bureaucratic inertia can be a biatch to overcome, though.


Trust me, I'm trying my best.
 
2014-02-24 09:53:14 PM  

HeadLever: And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent. It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.


Considering that I had friends die in Iraq, I am part of a generation that faces record student debt and diminished job opportunities, I am the demographic (young, healthy, single male) meant to keep the short term health insurance risk pools low by bearing the primary costs so health insurance reform can actually take place, I have seen friends come out as gay while being told that they're disgusting subhuman sinning filth, and I am part of a group that has seen the greatest communication platform in history in it's present, unregulated state and wish to keep it that way, maybe we can agree that there are some legitimate issues.

I'm sorry you suck at decision making, but right now, my perspective seems to tilt towards my elders being full of crap.
 
2014-02-24 09:54:18 PM  

HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*


Lol. You poor thing. If we would just give the GOP ONE MORE CHANCE.

I don't think you even believe it any more.
 
2014-02-24 10:00:28 PM  
FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18.  ... Now we are experiencing the "Echo Boom": Generation Y, and their first attempt at political participation. The most generous interpretations of the Echo Boom set its members' birthdays between 1977 and 2002. A more conservative take places the generation between 1982 and 1995.

Are these students too precious for math now? My parents are generally considered to be at the tail end of the baby boom (b. 1954) and they turned 21 in 1975. His first "echo boom" timespan (1977-2002) actually puts myself and my kids in the same farking generation (i was born 1977, they were born 1999 and 2000). I've always heard that I'm supposed to be at the youngest edge of Generation X, and I went to college with a bunch of unquestionably millennial kids (born in like, 1985-1989ish; so, kids that I would have babysat for when I was in junior high, had I known them), and I've gotta say, I feel like I move through life much more like a Gen-Xer than like a millennial. And my kids are definitely not in my generation; they're more likely to be millennials  than I am, but no way that generation includes us all.

/stopped reading after the op-ed-style generational "definitions"
//and now i'm off to try and forget that i'm old enough to be farking president
 
2014-02-24 10:02:56 PM  

HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*


Many current GOP candidates endorse, among other things, the abolition of the minimum wage, elimination of the EITC, a perpetual war machine, all manner of exclusionary and derogatory social policies, regressive tax systems, and on and on...look, I can't pretend to like everything the Democratic Party stands for. But if I have to eat a sandwich, I'd rather eat the bologna and mustard one instead of the shiat and broken glass one.
 
2014-02-24 10:10:13 PM  
I'm going to suggest that the 'Echo Boom' is more personified by Paul Ryan and RAND PAUL, second generation conservatives who have no concept of what life was like before Reagan.
 
2014-02-24 10:10:48 PM  

The Bananadragon: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18.  ... Now we are experiencing the "Echo Boom": Generation Y, and their first attempt at political participation. The most generous interpretations of the Echo Boom set its members' birthdays between 1977 and 2002. A more conservative take places the generation between 1982 and 1995.

Are these students too precious for math now? My parents are generally considered to be at the tail end of the baby boom (b. 1954) and they turned 21 in 1975. His first "echo boom" timespan (1977-2002) actually puts myself and my kids in the same farking generation (i was born 1977, they were born 1999 and 2000). I've always heard that I'm supposed to be at the youngest edge of Generation X, and I went to college with a bunch of unquestionably millennial kids (born in like, 1985-1989ish; so, kids that I would have babysat for when I was in junior high, had I known them), and I've gotta say, I feel like I move through life much more like a Gen-Xer than like a millennial. And my kids are definitely not in my generation; they're more likely to be millennials  than I am, but no way that generation includes us all.

/stopped reading after the op-ed-style generational "definitions"
//and now i'm off to try and forget that i'm old enough to be farking president


1954 is by no means the "tail end" of the baby boom. Someone who turned 18 in 1975 was born in 1957, which is the heart of the baby boom. Although there is some disagreement at the margins, the baby boom is generally considered those born between 1946 and 1964. If you remember when TV Guide still identified the programs that were in color, you're probably a boomer.
 
2014-02-24 10:20:57 PM  

HeadLever: meat0918: Yeah, I'm not voting GOP for a hell of a long time.  Like, never ever.

And this is why we are screwed. It is never about what the current slate of candidates actually represent.  It is instead about what *I* grew up with and Bush was bad.

*Sigh*


Hey, if there was a Republican candidate that advocated marriage equality, a higher minimum wage, immigration reform with amnesty and a path to citizenship, universal single payer health care, higher taxes on the upper income brackets and capital gains to pay for more social services, major stimulus spending on jobs programs and infrastructure, marijuana legalization, tripling NASAs budget, campaign finance reform, net neutrality, copyright and patent reform, greater protections for personal and communications privacy, greater regulation of the banks and financial institutions, and a less belligerent foreign policy, I'd vote for him or her in a heartbeat.

Those are things that I want a candidate to represent, they can label themselves anything they want to.
 
2014-02-24 10:21:06 PM  
Serious Black: Many current GOP candidates endorse, among other things, the abolition of the minimum wage, elimination of the EITC, a perpetual war machine, all manner of exclusionary and derogatory social policies, regressive tax systems, and on and on...look, I can't pretend to like everything the Democratic Party stands for.

meh, I'm single-issue. If your party endorses teaching non/anti-science in the science classroom, you get no sympathy from me. Sure, you can find anti-vax Dem voters, but that's not part of the Dem's platform. I can't trust any other position from someone who preaches anti-science education.
 
2014-02-24 10:23:45 PM  
It's going to be a hell of a lot of work to pull this civilization out of the chasm the boomers plunged it into, IF it can be done.
Worst generation ever.
 
2014-02-24 10:26:39 PM  
The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.

GenX didn't start until 1965!
 
2014-02-24 10:33:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: ... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...


Even if they were the embodiment of Satan, that is completely besides my point.
 
2014-02-24 10:35:10 PM  
Gen X is first generation Sesame Street. First generation MTV! First generation anti-Apartheid! And on Sunday, we all hope Ronald Reagan finally gets his honorary Oscar for Best Actor while playing a US President.
 
2014-02-24 10:35:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Hey, if there was a Republican candidate that advocated marriage equality, a higher minimum wage, immigration reform with amnesty and a path to citizenship, universal single payer health care, higher taxes on the upper income brackets and capital gains to pay for more social services, major stimulus spending on jobs programs and infrastructure, marijuana legalization, tripling NASAs budget, campaign finance reform, net neutrality, copyright and patent reform, greater protections for personal and communications privacy, greater regulation of the banks and financial institutions, and a less belligerent foreign policy, I'd vote for him or her in a heartbeat.

Those are things that I want a candidate to represent, they can label themselves anything they want to.


Now that is an argument that I may disagree with, but I can respect.  At least you are voting your ideals over the letter behind the name.
 
2014-02-24 10:37:44 PM  

HeadLever: Crotchrocket Slim: ... and you completely gloss over how godawful the current GOP is...

Even if they were the embodiment of Satan, that is completely besides my point.


Lolwut?
 
2014-02-24 10:38:29 PM  
There are TWO Gen X's: those who were taught how to use a computer in school and those who did not.
THAT is the main dividing line.
 
2014-02-24 10:44:02 PM  

cretinbob: Ghastly: FTFA: Right around 1975, something very special happened: the Baby Boomer generation turned 18

1946+18=1964

The Baby Boom ended in 1960 (61 marks the start of Generation x), so the last baby boomers would have reached voting age in 1978.

The baby boom ended in the early 70's

I am a baby boomer, not a Gen X'er. Gen Xer's are the douchebags who decided to be punk rockers arfter they moved out of their parents houses and discovered Nirvana


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_x
 
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