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(US Naval Institute)   China's getting itself all gussied up for a "short war" with Japan   (news.usni.org ) divider line
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2014-02-24 05:19:51 PM  
Or pretend that their enemy is Japan when suddenly... psych! It was really Taiwan.
 
2014-02-24 05:42:09 PM  
So it begins.....
 
2014-02-24 05:42:11 PM  
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."
 
2014-02-24 05:44:15 PM  
If only China could point all that smog at Japan like a weapon
 
2014-02-24 05:44:58 PM  
China v. Japan in a "Short war"

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-02-24 05:45:31 PM  
You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

/actually, he  did win it
//until he was stupid enough to invade the USSR
///and then declare war on the US for no real reason
 
2014-02-24 05:47:23 PM  

whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

/actually, he  did win it
//until he was stupid enough to invade the USSR
///and then declare war on the US for no real reason


Napoleon?

/je fais un p'tit blague.
 
2014-02-24 05:47:46 PM  
China has long trained for an amphibious invasion of Taiwan during military exercises but has expanded its training to include a similar attack on Japanese holdings in the East China Sea, according the chief of intelligence of the U.S. Pacific Fleet (PACFLEET).

All of these plans are completely theoretical and do not incorporate handling the near-certain US response to either invasion.

Fanell noted the nation has allocated $1.6 million on improvements to disputed South China Sea outposts. Developing ports, air fields, water purification and surveillance systems.

That doesn't sound like that much money for one air field, let alone to develop a string of ports and air fields.
 
2014-02-24 05:48:05 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Or pretend that their enemy is Japan when suddenly... psych! It was really Taiwan.


Taiwan already part of China. You stupid. Why you stupid? No think Taiwan part of China, why Taiwan speak Chinese. Ashore.

-Hung Lo, Chinese Ambassador to Luxembourg

 
2014-02-24 05:48:09 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: China v. Japan in a "Short war"


Naw, that's just your slant on it.
 
2014-02-24 05:48:37 PM  

draypresct: That doesn't sound like that much money for one air field, let alone to develop a string of ports and air fields.


Chinese products are always cheaper.
 
2014-02-24 05:48:58 PM  
uh...seriously?
 
2014-02-24 05:50:46 PM  

doglover: Because People in power are Stupid: Or pretend that their enemy is Japan when suddenly... psych! It was really Taiwan.

Taiwan already part of China. You stupid. Why you stupid? No think Taiwan part of China, why Taiwan speak Chinese. Ashore.
-Hung Lo, Chinese Ambassador to Luxembourg


I don't catch the reference. Is it a movie?

/They speak Taiwanese.
 
2014-02-24 05:51:38 PM  

Okieboy: If only China could point all that smog at Japan like a weapon


Millions of cheap plastic fans....they could do it easily.
 
2014-02-24 05:52:16 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: China v. Japan in a "Short war"

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 150x134]


Not really....I'm a chink and Im 6'5"
 
2014-02-24 05:52:19 PM  
 Capt. James Fanell, deputy chief of staff intelligence and information operations for PACFLEET...then detailed a series of what he called aggressive actions taken by China against its neighbors over the past year. Some of those actions, including combat drills in the south Philippine Sea were described as China's "protection of maritime rights."
"By the way, protection of maritime rights is a Chinese euphemism for coerce seizure of coastal rights of China's neighbors," Fanell said.
"The next week (the week after the combat drill in the south Philippine Sea) in the East China Sea, Japan said that a Chinese warship locked its fire-controlled radar onto a Japanese warship. China denied it for a month, but then admitted that it occurred, but said that it was not in danger since the range between the two ships was too close for a weapons system," he said.
"Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up."


Sounds like we're looking at this like you'd look at a chihuahua threatening a teacup yorkie, if you were a doberbull shepard


/might be serious, but we can hardly believe it
 
2014-02-24 05:52:19 PM  
Perfect time to announce all those cuts to the US Military.
 
2014-02-24 05:52:25 PM  

Valiente: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

/actually, he  did win it
//until he was stupid enough to invade the USSR
///and then declare war on the US for no real reason

Napoleon?

/je fais un p'tit blague.


waterslide?
 
2014-02-24 05:52:35 PM  

Valiente: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

/actually, he  did win it
//until he was stupid enough to invade the USSR
///and then declare war on the US for no real reason

Napoleon?

/je fais un p'tit blague.


Close!

But the correct answer is Francois Mitterand.

/il était un sphinx, et beau aussi
 
2014-02-24 05:53:29 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: China v. Japan in a "Short war"

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 150x134]

Not really....I'm a chink and Im 6'5"


How YOU doin?
 
2014-02-24 05:53:42 PM  
"Dear god! China! They're...they're...they're practicing invading other countries in their exercises!!!!" [clutches pearls, grabs smelling salts]
--U.S. military
 
2014-02-24 05:53:57 PM  
Yes, invade Okinawa, that will go over really well with 3rd MEF.
 
2014-02-24 05:54:20 PM  
All the Japanese shiat is made in China
 
2014-02-24 05:55:04 PM  
"Short" because the US Pacific Fleet would hammer them with the fist of an Angry God within 24 hours.
 
2014-02-24 05:55:42 PM  

whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...


The Kaiser?
 
2014-02-24 05:55:43 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: China v. Japan in a "Short war"

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 150x134]

Not really....I'm a chink and Im 6'5"


So. I'm black and not hung
 
2014-02-24 05:55:54 PM  
In other news, militaries practice being militaries during their downtime.
 
2014-02-24 05:56:32 PM  
Does China vs. Japan constitute a land war in Asia?
 
2014-02-24 05:56:33 PM  
 I can see taiwan and japan totally ripping china a new noodle hole.  No way taiwan is going to let china get on the other side of them.   China has to many problems of their own right now to risk a blockade of their ports.
 
2014-02-24 05:56:45 PM  
A strange game.  The only winning move is not to play.
 
2014-02-24 05:59:16 PM  
What has japan ever done to china? I mean, srsly why is this even a thing?

/co-prosperity for all
 
2014-02-24 06:00:26 PM  
Nobody's going to war over there.

Keep 'em in your pants, boys.
 
2014-02-24 06:00:37 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Dear god! China! They're...they're...they're practicing invading other countries in their exercises!!!!"


Please identify the non-U.S. territories we have made repeated claims to over the current sovereign nation. Y'know, like China has been doing with the Senkaku Islands.

Revek: I can see taiwan and japan totally ripping china a new noodle hole.


Not to mention if Seventh Fleet decides to go out for "observation" in the international waters around the area.
 
2014-02-24 06:00:56 PM  

wxboy: Does China vs. Japan constitute a land war in Asia?


Presumably if it's on land.  It'd clearly be in Asia.
 
2014-02-24 06:04:03 PM  

jshine: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

The Kaiser?


Him too. 

As well as the North Koreans, France in Vietnam and Algeria, the Soviets in Afghanistan, Argentina in the Falklands, the US in Vietnam, Iraq II & Afghanistan...

History doesn't much believe in short sharp wars.
 
2014-02-24 06:04:06 PM  

Boojum2k: Please identify the non-U.S. territories we have made repeated claims to over the current sovereign nation. Y'know, like China has been doing with the Senkaku Islands.


In fact, the US ended up with plenty of Asian possessions after the Spanish-American War (i.e., the Philippines) and WWII (a litany of islands and arguably Japan itself).  Except for a few small islands, those possessions were all granted independence or turned over to other sovereign states.
 
2014-02-24 06:04:14 PM  
FTFA: Chinese marines assault a beach during the Mission Action 2013 exercise. Xinhua Photo

Chinese marines? Puh-lease
Guys, I've met marines. Take my word, you don't have any.

From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli


Those aren't just words. Montezuma was in 1847 and Tripoli was 1805. You don't just sew on an arm patch and make a Marine. I mean, it's nice that you beat the crap out of some Buddhists in Tibet. It's nice you rolled tanks over your own people in Tienanmen Square.

But don't kid yourself. Oh, never mind. You'll figure it out eventually.
 
2014-02-24 06:05:33 PM  

AngryDragon: Nobody's going to war over there.

Keep 'em in your pants, boys.


Which one of you assholes is wearing pants?  You're going to start a flamewar
 
2014-02-24 06:05:54 PM  
And that's how China discovered both the Taiwanese and Japanese covert nuclear programs, As their People's Liberation Army Navy ships sat glowing on the bottom of the South China Sea.
 
2014-02-24 06:05:56 PM  
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good luck with that, China. Hard to project power with a "navy" that's mostly rusty old tin cans and no submarines worth a damn. One Mk 48 ADCAP for each ship, XO, let's not waste too many torpedoes.
 
2014-02-24 06:06:06 PM  

legion_of_doo: What has japan ever done to china? I mean, srsly why is this even a thing?

/co-prosperity for all


tgfb.net
 
2014-02-24 06:07:08 PM  

AngryDragon: Nobody's going to war over there.


Not on purpose, of course.  ...but then someone assassinates the Archduke of Austria and things go to shiat all too quickly.
 
2014-02-24 06:07:13 PM  

whistleridge: History doesn't much believe in short sharp wars.


And when they do happen, they either fail to defuse the situation, only putting it off, or leave someone stuck in a mess, usually both.
 
2014-02-24 06:07:14 PM  

whistleridge: jshine: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

The Kaiser?

Him too. 

As well as the North Koreans, France in Vietnam and Algeria, the Soviets in Afghanistan, Argentina in the Falklands, the US in Vietnam, Iraq II & Afghanistan...

History doesn't much believe in short sharp wars.


Unless you're Israel and you whip the entire middle east in a week
 
2014-02-24 06:08:07 PM  

whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...


The People's Republic of Haven?
 
2014-02-24 06:09:02 PM  

talkertopc: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

The People's Republic of Haven?


Manty's unite! Screw that damn Solarian League.
 
2014-02-24 06:09:49 PM  
Good thing that US Navy sold its California oil reserves to Al Gore.   Why would we need to supply fuel to a Pacific Fleet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Hills_Oil_Field
 
2014-02-24 06:10:53 PM  

meyerkev: "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."


You could even call it a classic blunder.
 
2014-02-24 06:10:59 PM  
Funny, even WITHOUT the US Pacific fleet hanging out in Okinawa along with lots of air support, the Japanese naval self-defense force is stronger than China's navy...

I honestly wonder whether China will at one point believe it's own hype. Most rising nations eventually do, they get in wars and expand their territory (see Japan, co-prosperity sphere and annexation of Korea, etc.). The thing is, for every country that pulls off an empire (the US, UK, France even), there are lots of failures. See again, Japan, co-prosperity sphere.

The US is really the trump, if the US fell apart or experienced very serious unrest ala Ukraine, then China might have the opportunity, but even then they don't have the navy - maybe if they dropped nukes, but otherwise? No.

Seriously, this is comedy.
 
2014-02-24 06:12:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: whistleridge: jshine: whistleridge: You know who else thought he could win a short sharp war...

The Kaiser?

Him too. 

As well as the North Koreans, France in Vietnam and Algeria, the Soviets in Afghanistan, Argentina in the Falklands, the US in Vietnam, Iraq II & Afghanistan...

History doesn't much believe in short sharp wars.

Unless you're Israel and you whip the entire middle east in a week


Winning on the battlefield isn't all there is to winning. I don't know how many Israeli citizens have died in terror attacks since 1973, but it's certainly far more than all of the US dead from 9/11, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined. If you don't secure peace afterwards, you haven't won, you've just made the other guy switch tactics.

And it's worked too: Hamas, Hezbollah, et al have surely had more success with suicide bombers and low-intensity harassment than Nasr ever had with his tank divisions and sophisticated Soviet SAM networks.
 
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