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(Some Guy)   The math that predicted today's political unrest a year ago. Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand, Sweden, Turkey ... wait, Sweden?   (www-refresh.vice-motherboard-test.appspot.com) divider line 68
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2014-02-24 03:11:46 PM  
Very interesting. I wonder if one could cause uprisings on purpose by manipulating the commodity markets?
 
2014-02-24 03:29:19 PM  

sithon: Very interesting. I wonder if one could cause uprisings on purpose by manipulating the commodity markets?


Probably, given sufficient funding -- though it's generally easier to start riots than to stop them.

However, I think a more pressing concern might be whether there's some manner of country-by-country food price index that could indicate not only the generic global tendency to rioting, but that might identify in advance which particular countries or localities will tend to such outbreaks.
 
2014-02-24 03:29:56 PM  
Sweden?  I want to see protesters assembling their own flat-packed barricades using only a hex wrench.
 
2014-02-24 03:29:57 PM  
I submitted this a month ago.

Arfsnargle!
 
2014-02-24 03:30:27 PM  
Moral of the story is to make sure the peasants have just enough to keep them from revolting.  Ideally, do it through state controlled means, so that they actually feel grateful to you for their subsistence.
 
2014-02-24 03:31:09 PM  

sithon: Very interesting. I wonder if one could cause uprisings on purpose by manipulating the commodity markets?


Like that isn't happening right now?

/tinfoil for all!!!!
 
2014-02-24 03:33:00 PM  

SomeAmerican: Moral of the story is to make sure the peasants have just enough to keep them from revolting.  Ideally, do it through state controlled means, so that they actually feel grateful to you for their subsistence.


Or shovel a whole lot of cheap, near nutrition-less food into them at a constant rate, like in the US.
 
2014-02-24 03:34:46 PM  
mmimageslarge.moviemail-online.co.uk
I suspect highly competent police work has kept Sweden in line.

/love this show
/but, sheez, 90 goddam minutes an episode!
 
2014-02-24 03:35:15 PM  

syberpud: Sweden?  I want to see protesters assembling their own flat-packed barricades using only a hex wrench.


Ikea what you did there.
 
2014-02-24 03:40:17 PM  

Smoking GNU: SomeAmerican: Moral of the story is to make sure the peasants have just enough to keep them from revolting.  Ideally, do it through state controlled means, so that they actually feel grateful to you for their subsistence.

Or shovel a whole lot of cheap, near nutrition-less food into them at a constant rate, like in the US.


Problem is, that cheap food is also going up in price, and we have people actively working to make it so that less people can put food on their tables.
 
2014-02-24 03:40:24 PM  

Smoking GNU: sithon: Very interesting. I wonder if one could cause uprisings on purpose by manipulating the commodity markets?

Like that isn't happening right now?

/tinfoil for all!!!!


Actually, the Asian economic panic in the mid 90's was caused by manipulation of the FOREX.

Also earlier last decade food riots erupted after corn and other grains were moved to the fuel markets after the push for biodiesel by the US.

So yes you can.
 
2014-02-24 03:49:46 PM  
Food shortages and price hikes were behind the French Revolution and the 1848 revolutions as well. Hungry people don't fark around
 
2014-02-24 03:49:54 PM  

syberpud: Sweden?  I want to see protesters assembling their own flat-packed barricades using only a hex wrench.


Hey man, no joke. Nicklas Backstrom got suspended from the Swedish Olympic hockey team for failing a drug test.  The Swedes are pissed. Rioting in 3...2...1
 
2014-02-24 03:51:18 PM  

sithon: Very interesting. I wonder if one could cause uprisings on purpose by manipulating the commodity markets?


Buy Mortimer Buy!
 
2014-02-24 03:51:18 PM  
Simple, tax food more.
 
2014-02-24 03:53:16 PM  
We are witnessing most profound social change. Whether in the East or the South, the West or the North, hundreds of millions of people, new nations and states, new public movements and ideologies have moved to the forefront of history. Broad-based and frequently turbulent popular movements have given expression, in a multidimensional and contradictory way, to a longing for independence, democracy and social justice. The idea of democratizing the entire world order has become a powerful socio-political force. At the same time, the scientific and technological revolution has turned many economic, food, energy, environmental, information and population problems, which only recently we treated as national or regional ones, into global problems. Thanks to the advances in mass media and means of transportation, the world seems to have become more visible and tangible. International communication has become easier than ever before. - Mikhail Gorbachev Speech to the UN General Assembly (7 December 1988)

The global political awakening For the first time in history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive. Global activism is generating a surge in the quest for cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world scarred by memories of colonial or imperial domination. - Zbigniew Brzezinski
 
2014-02-24 03:55:15 PM  
 
2014-02-24 03:56:56 PM  
Probably the same math as everywhere else.

They have central banks that can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever amount some people want to be able to dictate their will, all the while stiffing the public at large with the bill for it all.
 
2014-02-24 03:58:33 PM  
The 2008 spike... As the housing bubble broke, speculators bought up commodity futures on margin in a fashion that drove up prices for real buyers.

So, Wall Street causes revolutions everywhere but Wall Street.
 
2014-02-24 03:58:34 PM  
lh3.ggpht.com

Approves
 
2014-02-24 04:00:06 PM  
its Schweeden!!  not sweden.   dummies.
 
2014-02-24 04:09:46 PM  
Yes. Swedish. We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough

mytornadoalley.files.wordpress.com

BORK BORK BORK
 
2014-02-24 04:21:38 PM  
Did subby forget about the riots in Sweden last year?
 
2014-02-24 04:27:54 PM  
The CIA's black budget?
 
2014-02-24 04:28:23 PM  
If Sweden doesn't get a handle on their immigration policies, they're going to see even more serious iterations of the muslim troubles they're already experiencing right now.
 
2014-02-24 04:29:28 PM  

Superjew: If Sweden doesn't get a handle on their immigration policies, they're going to see even more serious iterations of the muslim troubles they're already experiencing right now.


Your blog sucks.
 
2014-02-24 04:31:17 PM  
The unrest in Ukraine and Thailand, at the very least, has nothing to do with food prices.  In both countries, there is a political split between two political factions in the country that is borderline unrepairable.  We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.
 
2014-02-24 04:36:25 PM  
FiveThirtyEight.com?
 
2014-02-24 04:38:30 PM  

LoneWolf343: Your blog sucks.


Your facile avoidance of the issue sucks.
 
2014-02-24 04:40:56 PM  

Superjew: LoneWolf343: Your blog sucks.

Your facile avoidance of the issue sucks.


your blog ignores all the muslish people who immigrate to sweden every year

they may not need the wailing towers or want to ban flush toilets but they are still serious risks to the purity of the bloodline
 
2014-02-24 04:41:28 PM  

Geotpf: We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.


Seeing as how the current Red State mentality is borne of the Confederate South, the comparison still isn't too far off. It's still a disturbingly recognizable power struggle
 
2014-02-24 04:45:10 PM  

StokeyBob: Probably the same math as everywhere else.

They have central banks that can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever amount some people want to be able to dictate their will, all the while stiffing the public at large with the bill for it all.


This is what boneheads actually believe.
 
2014-02-24 04:49:53 PM  
And this is why it's sheer idiocy to cut food stamps from any sort of stability perspective.
 
2014-02-24 04:50:42 PM  

meat0918: Smoking GNU: SomeAmerican: Moral of the story is to make sure the peasants have just enough to keep them from revolting.  Ideally, do it through state controlled means, so that they actually feel grateful to you for their subsistence.

Or shovel a whole lot of cheap, near nutrition-less food into them at a constant rate, like in the US.

Problem is, that cheap food is also going up in price, and we have people actively working to make it so that less people can put food on their tables.


Honestly, I'm at pox on both their houses at this point.

It seems like the Left is like "Let's eliminate all our modern farming techniques that dropped the price of food, all the cool shiat that might let us feed billions of extra people, and dump all of our farming output into biofuel boondoggles.  Wait, what do you MEAN the price of food went up?".  We can argue whether humane/organic/whatever farming is a good idea, but it's REALLY hard to argue that it's going to drop the price of chicken.

And then it seems like the Right is "Bwah-hah-hah, now that we've made food even more expensive, let's make it even HARDER to buy it".
 
2014-02-24 04:59:26 PM  

Superjew: LoneWolf343: Your blog sucks.

Your facile avoidance of the issue sucks.


Yes, we should all stop and debate what an anti-Muslim blog says about Muslims.

We are a group of volunteers who aim to educated the world about the reality of the dangerous and totalitarian fascist ideology of Islam - the greatest threat to the West since the endless wars and invasions of the medieval times. We re-publishing content, trends, statistics, videos and news on the imminent Islamification of the West. Our blog include volunteers and guest contributors from around the world, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who provide their feedback and input on the issue.
Remember: if you support and defend a brutal and barbaric fascist ideology that targets minorities under the guise of a false religion - you enable and empower it. There are no excuses for supporting the brutality of Islam.

If you are an Islamophobe (a word invented by muslims) you are in good company. Islamophobe means you are fighting against tolerance for the intolerable, and for protection of liberties and human rights against the very enemy of humanness, rights and freedom: Islam.


/don't you want to buy one of their lovely t-shirts for $30, when you can get it made yourself for maybe $5?
 
2014-02-24 05:00:10 PM  

Geotpf: The unrest in Ukraine and Thailand, at the very least, has nothing to do with food prices.  In both countries, there is a political split between two political factions in the country that is borderline unrepairable.  We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.


Dig a little deeper.
 
2014-02-24 05:04:10 PM  

Mike_1962: Geotpf: The unrest in Ukraine and Thailand, at the very least, has nothing to do with food prices.  In both countries, there is a political split between two political factions in the country that is borderline unrepairable.  We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.

Dig a little deeper.


But if you dig deeper, you find potatoes.
 
2014-02-24 05:24:10 PM  

meyerkev: meat0918: Smoking GNU: SomeAmerican: Moral of the story is to make sure the peasants have just enough to keep them from revolting.  Ideally, do it through state controlled means, so that they actually feel grateful to you for their subsistence.

Or shovel a whole lot of cheap, near nutrition-less food into them at a constant rate, like in the US.

Problem is, that cheap food is also going up in price, and we have people actively working to make it so that less people can put food on their tables.

Honestly, I'm at pox on both their houses at this point.

It seems like the Left is like "Let's eliminate all our modern farming techniques that dropped the price of food, all the cool shiat that might let us feed billions of extra people, and dump all of our farming output into biofuel boondoggles.  Wait, what do you MEAN the price of food went up?".  We can argue whether humane/organic/whatever farming is a good idea, but it's REALLY hard to argue that it's going to drop the price of chicken.

And then it seems like the Right is "Bwah-hah-hah, now that we've made food even more expensive, let's make it even HARDER to buy it".


It's a small yet vocal portion of the left that wants that.

Most people just want they most bang for their buck when it comes to price and food.
 
2014-02-24 05:26:13 PM  

Geotpf: The unrest in Ukraine and Thailand, at the very least, has nothing to do with food prices.  In both countries, there is a political split between two political factions in the country that is borderline unrepairable.  We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.


I think the point the food price guy is making is that high food prices make pre-existing divisions appear worse. If the price of food is low, these divisions can be papered over by general prosperity + welfare state goodness for all. While the US has the worst safety net of the developed world, you still have to really try to starve yourself in the USA.

But why Sweden of all the stable and developed countries? Their "Muslins as a percentage of the population" ratio is still pretty low isn't it?
 
2014-02-24 05:28:23 PM  

meat0918: t's a small yet vocal portion of the left that wants that.


OK. Who?
 
2014-02-24 05:30:55 PM  

whidbey: Geotpf: We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.

Seeing as how the current Red State mentality is borne of the Confederate South, the comparison still isn't too far off. It's still a disturbingly recognizable power struggle


Oh, it's not North and South, it's much closer to urban vs. rural.
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Note the blue areas are all primarily urban areas.  Not all of them, but most of them.  If, God forbid, there were to be a 2nd American Civil War, it wouldn't be North and South.  It would be Urban vs. Rural, and it would be a lot uglier than anything I believe we could even dream of.  In my opinion, we're about 70% or more towards that type of incident occurring.  The rhetoric on both sides is already at Civil War era levels, if not beyond it.  All that we need is natural calamity or 2 and a good divisive issue and...boom!  We won't have to worry about things like Andersonville because quite frankly I don't think either side is going to bother to take prisoners, either.
 
2014-02-24 05:36:08 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The rhetoric on both sides is already at Civil War era levels, if not beyond it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner

Yeah, when that happens again, I'll get worried.

/Or if a D wins the White House, appoints some liberal judges, and then the newly liberal court overturns Heller/McDonald, THEN I'll really be getting worried.
 
2014-02-24 05:51:06 PM  
Can't they eat cake, or something?
 
2014-02-24 05:53:00 PM  

meyerkev: bobothemagnificent: The rhetoric on both sides is already at Civil War era levels, if not beyond it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner

Yeah, when that happens again, I'll get worried.

/Or if a D wins the White House, appoints some liberal judges, and then the newly liberal court overturns Heller/McDonald, THEN I'll really be getting worried.


The Capital Police would taser the attacker today.  Come to think of it, that would be kind of funny.
 
2014-02-24 06:17:53 PM  
I'm guessing someone opened up a can of surströmming in the parliament chambers but wouldn't cop to it, so the leftist and rightist parties are pointing fingers with one hand while pinching their noses with the other.
 
2014-02-24 06:21:18 PM  
The drought in California this year will probably drive up prices for a lot of different foods. Should be interesting to see what happens.
 
2014-02-24 06:29:29 PM  

yakmans_dad: meat0918: t's a small yet vocal portion of the left that wants that.

OK. Who?


http://www.bountifulgardens.org/

http://www.nongmoproject.org/

http://www.beyondpesticides.org/

Please don't take this as a "SPRAY EVERYTHING WITH ALL THE THINGS" attitude.

We have problems with farmer's over reliance on the various sprays, but farmer's don't spray more than they feel they need to, because sprays are expensive, and cuts into their profits.

If they could maintain crop yields without spraying and by relying on cheaper methods, they farking would in a heart beat.
 
2014-02-24 06:34:32 PM  

fusillade762: The drought in California this year will probably drive up prices for a lot of different foods. Should be interesting to see what happens.


They are talking about cutting off the water to the farms in the central valley if things don't change drastically with the rain situation.
 
2014-02-24 06:47:44 PM  
Sweden isn't a surprise to anyone familiar with its demographic changes.
It's getting what it asked for, although why it wanted it in the first place is truly a mystery. White man's burden?
It's becoming like the US or Britain, you need money to move away from the brown people and then you're safe.
 
2014-02-24 06:52:58 PM  

bobothemagnificent: whidbey: Geotpf: We aren't talking Red States and Blue States, we are talking The United States and The Confederate States.

Seeing as how the current Red State mentality is borne of the Confederate South, the comparison still isn't too far off. It's still a disturbingly recognizable power struggle

Oh, it's not North and South, it's much closer to urban vs. rural.
[img.fark.net image 720x384]


Note the blue areas are all primarily urban areas.  Not all of them, but most of them.  If, God forbid, there were to be a 2nd American Civil War, it wouldn't be North and South.  It would be Urban vs. Rural, and it would be a lot uglier than anything I believe we could even dream of.  In my opinion, we're about 70% or more towards that type of incident occurring.  The rhetoric on both sides is already at Civil War era levels, if not beyond it.  All that we need is natural calamity or 2 and a good divisive issue and...boom!  We won't have to worry about things like Andersonville because quite frankly I don't think either side is going to bother to take prisoners, either.


I see your point, but I was talking about the Southern Strategy. It originated amongst neo-Confederates and is still pretty much led by elements in the American South. Yes. Today.
 
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