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(Escapist Magazine)   Exhibit #C on why always online games suck   (escapistmagazine.com) divider line 73
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2014-02-24 03:41:20 PM  
And then you pirate it.

/Unless it's an ALL-ONLINE game at which point you either spend the effort putting up your own servers or move onto Grand Call of Battlefield Turismo N+1, and seriously reevaluate the value spending $60 on any game in that series again.
//Plus you know, government regulations.  I mean, it won't help in the "Sucks to be you, we're going out of business" option, but the "You're Electronic Farking Arts, release a farking patch" option is THERE.
 
2014-02-24 04:10:59 PM  

meyerkev: And then you pirate it.

/Unless it's an ALL-ONLINE game at which point you either spend the effort putting up your own servers or move onto Grand Call of Battlefield Turismo N+1, and seriously reevaluate the value spending $60 on any game in that series again.



you know there are articles attached to the headlines right
 
2014-02-24 04:34:01 PM  
Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?
 
2014-02-24 04:43:27 PM  
Overly-excited other players who take the game far too seriously?
 
2014-02-24 04:45:58 PM  
Because when the servers go dark the dlc you already purchased is still available and all offline modes are still available to play? That's bad why?
 
2014-02-24 05:01:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?


Probably...
Exibit A: Diablo 3
Exibit B: Simcity
 
2014-02-24 05:16:03 PM  
I though C was the Xbox1.
 
2014-02-24 05:22:05 PM  

Bootysama: Because when the servers go dark the dlc you already purchased is still available and all offline modes are still available to play? That's bad why?


Except, RTFA.

"If you wish to re-download already purchased DLC after the April 30 cut-off date, you will still be able to do so from the [Download List], accessible in the PlayStation Store. However, this will not work with the "Paint Pack" and "Racing Gear Pack", which once deleted from your system will be gone forever!"

// not to mention the loss of a ton of the 'online' capabilities.

// I wish developers would sunset their games properly ... meanwhile, people are still running quake 2 servers.
 
2014-02-24 05:25:47 PM  
lordargent:

// I wish developers would sunset their games properly ... meanwhile, people are still running quake 2 servers.

Or at least give players the option of running their own.  I know quite a few gamers who were upset when the Resistance 2 servers went dark a couple years back.
 
2014-02-24 05:27:56 PM  

Jippy Jay: scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?

Probably...
Exibit A: Diablo 3
Exibit B: Simcity


Pretty sure scotty's problem is "exhibit NUMBER C". You see, C is a letter, not a number, and before this hashtag bullshiat, the pound sign was generally used to denote a number.
 
2014-02-24 05:31:50 PM  
Flappyhead: Or at least give players the option of running their own.

That's all part of the sunset.

Either release the server, release the code for the server, or keep running a server.

// OR better yet, build it with the ability to function without a server from the get go and people will figure out the rest from there.

I mean, people still play retro games, but there's a handful of games that aren't playable in any sort of multiplayer capacity now because the servers that ran them went kaput.
 
2014-02-24 05:33:43 PM  

lordargent: meanwhile, people are still running quake 2 servers.


people are still running doom 2 servers

#hashtag
 
2014-02-24 05:42:29 PM  
The lesson in all of this is fark racing games and their baiting me with DLC to nickle and dime me out of a car simulator experience.

Now if you excuse me, I need to download this Dynasty Warrior costume that will turn my Gan Ning into a giant bunny.
 
2014-02-24 06:03:11 PM  

sprawl15: lordargent: meanwhile, people are still running quake 2 servers.

people are still running doom 2 servers

#hashtag


fark, I still run an original Battlefield 1942 server from work, but only during holidays when we're closed.  Otherwise the traffic gets a little overwhelming with 32 or 64 players.

But f**k is it fun to play on a full map.  It petered out a few years ago but then EA released it for free on the 10th anniversary and that brought people right back.  I think for true online only games if the company is going to retire the servers, they should open-source the back end so players can at least try to host their own.  Granted, without the hardware you couldn't support a whole ecosystem but you could probably make something to server 10-20 hard core fans.
 
2014-02-24 06:04:15 PM  
Gran Turismo 5 is not always online, so this is a poor example. However, the disappearing of DLC is a little disappointing.

I actually got my copy of GT6 for free. Hulu were giving away codes on Facebook for it and I actually managed to redeem one and get it. I like it. What I didn't like was the 10+ hour installation time (I am not exaggerating).
 
2014-02-24 06:11:03 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Jippy Jay: scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?

Probably...
Exibit A: Diablo 3
Exibit B: Simcity

Pretty sure scotty's problem is "exhibit NUMBER C". You see, C is a letter, not a number, and before this hashtag bullshiat, the pound sign was generally used to denote a number.



I didn't get that until my 3rd option. :(  Subby was all flustered with a possible green and got confused.

I first thought subby was trying to say C# until I looked at the article.  For some reason I then went to hex (12) before a letter.  The thought of a twitter hashtag never entered my mind, but I'm old.
 
2014-02-24 06:28:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?


Hexadecimal

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
A
B
C
 
2014-02-24 06:29:14 PM  

degenerate-afro: scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?

Hexadecimal

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A
B
C


FTFM
 
2014-02-24 06:33:17 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Pretty sure scotty's problem is "exhibit NUMBER C". You see, C is a letter, not a number, and before this hashtag bullshiat, the pound sign was generally used to denote a number.


C is the Roman numeral for 100, which is believable since there are at least 100 reasons why always online is bad.
 
2014-02-24 06:41:10 PM  
I got sent a dmca notice from my isp lately claiming I downloaded and shared the new Sim City.game. I have openly blasted that game since it's release and never even wanted to.play it. So yeah I would never even try that game. I think their discovery tactics are flawed.
 
2014-02-24 06:43:47 PM  

degenerate-afro: degenerate-afro: scottydoesntknow: Is exhibit A) and B) the new SimCity?

Because that could cover A) - Y) without a problem

Also: Exhibit #C?

Hexadecimal

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A
B
C

FTFM


no.

Hex starts at zero.

0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A
B
C
D
E
F

That's sixteen digits, which is why it's called base 16.  The same as how your childish base 10 system has ten digits.  You know who didn't have a zero?  The farking Romans, which is why their numbers are so farking complicated.

Learn your shiat, or stop posting your dreck like a C year old.
 
2014-02-24 06:47:38 PM  

Keywork99: Gran Turismo 5 is not always online, so this is a poor example. However, the disappearing of DLC is a little disappointing.


This will probably happen to other games too if the developers/publishers don't care to make DLC permanent later.  For example, Dragon Age requires your EA Origin login to connect to their servers and verify which DLC you should have every damn time you start the game.  Apparently they are that paranoid about people sharing DLC content without having paid for it.
 
2014-02-24 06:49:34 PM  
Nothing is for sure. Nothing is for certain. Nothing lasts forever.

www.billboard.com
 
2014-02-24 06:49:45 PM  
you youngin's with all your dlc and nintendos

back in my day you played a mud and didn't download a damn thing and when the owner decided to stop hosing without letting anyone know you didn't cry into your internet blogs about it, you manned up and loaded up another
 
2014-02-24 06:55:10 PM  
IronJelly: That's sixteen digits, which is why it's called base 16. The same as how your childish base 10 system has ten digits. You know who didn't have a zero?

base36 ... ALL of the letters and ALL of the numbers :)

// anyone who likes math will get a kick out of number system conversions :)
 
2014-02-24 06:59:34 PM  

sprawl15: you youngin's with all your dlc and nintendos

back in my day you played a mud and didn't download a damn thing and when the owner decided to stop hosing without letting anyone know you didn't cry into your internet blogs about it, you manned up and loaded up another


This. I  just found a backup of my mud from 1999 the other day. I'm thinking about putting it back up just for the hell of it, since cloud servers are cheap these days. Good ol' Rom2.4b6 and tintin++
 
2014-02-24 06:59:46 PM  
Meh, console games.  There is a defined lifespan there already.

There are still Doom 2 servers operational on the internet, and UO shards.
 
2014-02-24 07:10:45 PM  

bhcompy: Meh, console games.  There is a defined lifespan there already.

There are still Doom 2 servers operational on the internet, and UO shards.


Because those games had the functionality of hosting your own server. Of course this is a bigger issue with console games but it's also someting that happens with any PC game that works the same or was a port. The best way to stop it from happening is to not purchase games published by companies who allow this but good luck having that happen.
 
2014-02-24 07:17:12 PM  

Lsherm: I think for true online only games if the company is going to retire the servers, they should open-source the back end so players can at least try to host their own.


Ha ha ha, how the hell is that supposed to make you buy their new game?
 
2014-02-24 07:22:12 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Lsherm: I think for true online only games if the company is going to retire the servers, they should open-source the back end so players can at least try to host their own.

Ha ha ha, how the hell is that supposed to make you buy their new game?


God do I ever hate that mentality.  I'm still playing some of the original games I bought with my PS3, hell I play through the Uncharted and InFamous franchises roughly once a year.  If your new game is good, we'll buy it.  It's not that complicated.
 
2014-02-24 07:22:13 PM  

Sandvich is loose cannon: The best way to stop it from happening is to not purchase games published by companies who allow this but good luck having that happen.


Ahh but if we individually stop purchasing games like that ... then at the very least, we don't have to deal with games like that (because we didn't purchase them :P )

// what sucks is when a company that had good server support gets eaten by another company that does shut down servers (Criterion/EA).

// RIP Burnout Revenge
 
2014-02-24 07:23:54 PM  
Battleground Europe FTW
 
2014-02-24 07:26:19 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Ha ha ha, how the hell is that supposed to make you buy their new game?


Make a good game.

// I have games that are still sitting in the original packaging because I haven't had time to get around to them yet. Purchased them solely on the reputation of the developer plus reviews.

// took me a month to open up the Last of Us after I bought it.
 
2014-02-24 07:39:06 PM  

lordargent: Make a good game.


Too much work. My MBA tells me we can just cornhole the customer and release dreck forever.
 
2014-02-24 07:42:53 PM  
Really, it can't have be that expensive to host some DLC and run an authentication or matchmaking server, can it?

I always thought it was more than worth the cost to secure the goodwill of your players. I hadn't imagined anyone would be so stupid as to try this.
 
2014-02-24 07:54:22 PM  

LiberalWeenie: Really, it can't have be that expensive to host some DLC and run an authentication or matchmaking server, can it?

I always thought it was more than worth the cost to secure the goodwill of your players. I hadn't imagined anyone would be so stupid as to try this.


This...isn't the first time something like this has occurred....hell, NCSOFT shut down City of Heroes while it was profitable. Game companies do dumb stuff constantly, and a lot of times it ends up screwing the consumer.
 
2014-02-24 07:55:00 PM  
Simcity should have never been made online only.
 
2014-02-24 08:01:41 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Too much work. My MBA tells me we can just cornhole the customer and release dreck forever.


lol at that

This is the big thing that stops me from buying games these days.
They are always unfinished and will not be adequately supported.
 
2014-02-24 08:04:57 PM  

untaken_name: LiberalWeenie: Really, it can't have be that expensive to host some DLC and run an authentication or matchmaking server, can it?

I always thought it was more than worth the cost to secure the goodwill of your players. I hadn't imagined anyone would be so stupid as to try this.

This...isn't the first time something like this has occurred....hell, NCSOFT shut down City of Heroes while it was profitable. Game companies do dumb stuff constantly, and a lot of times it ends up screwing the consumer.



Well, I understand an MMO might need more serious hardware to keep running.
 
2014-02-24 08:09:28 PM  

LiberalWeenie: untaken_name: LiberalWeenie: Really, it can't have be that expensive to host some DLC and run an authentication or matchmaking server, can it?

I always thought it was more than worth the cost to secure the goodwill of your players. I hadn't imagined anyone would be so stupid as to try this.

This...isn't the first time something like this has occurred....hell, NCSOFT shut down City of Heroes while it was profitable. Game companies do dumb stuff constantly, and a lot of times it ends up screwing the consumer.


Well, I understand an MMO might need more serious hardware to keep running.


You're talking about something that would be a net loss for the company. City of Heroes was actually profitable, which means that after paying overhead like serious hardware, they were still making money. I'm just saying that common sense doesn't necessarily rule the decisions of game companies.
 
2014-02-24 08:11:46 PM  

grimlock1972: Simcity should have never been made online only.


simcity should never have used the glassbox engine

an online mode could have been a thing if the fundamental simulation wasn't like a wal-mart knockoff of piss cola
 
2014-02-24 08:18:38 PM  

spamdog: They are always unfinished and will not be adequately supported.


To be fair, I play and buy a ton of unfinished and poorly supported games. I just don't pay 60 bucks plus tax to a studio with a hundred million dollar budget when I do. There are all kinds of unfinished, poorly supported games by tiny studios with next to no budget that will suck up hours to days of your life.

The problem is bad games. Bad games that focus on flash and set pieces instead of making a deep, engaging experience within a detailed, interactive world. Or rich, responsive systems within the gameplay that are fun to screw around with. Shadow of Mordor sounds like it's trying to fix this despite being Assasin's Creed of the Rings. The Nemesis System has me excited for it, because I want to see how much havoc I can wreak within orc society. It's hard to describe, but it's hard to get truly lost into a lot of big titles anymore. I'm always left wondering "why can't I" or "why isn't there more?" The graphics are great most of the time, but I feel like we've taken a big step backward in complexity of games.

I'm sure I just said a bunch of stuff there..
 
2014-02-24 08:53:17 PM  
All of this talk of games that have been shut down makes me sad.

/RIP Crimson Skies HRR
 
2014-02-24 09:01:20 PM  

Elegy: All of this talk of games that have been shut down makes me sad.

/RIP Crimson Skies HRR


Me too. I played CoH since the beta. Can you tell I'm still bitter?
 
2014-02-24 10:07:58 PM  
the online was like the one saving grace of that game + the wheel handling

this is one reason why if i ever get back into racing sims i'm going PC sim only, a good racing game is something that should be played for years!

also GT/Forza are basically fancy pokemon grindfests at this point, only they're not developed by Nintendo - the whole microtransaction thing is going to be up everybody's ass forever and ever, i'd much rather have a sim with a crappy simple menu and no grinding
 
2014-02-24 10:11:13 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: /Still going strong on unofficial servers.


LOVE THAT GAME.

Man, just the game itself was huge. I explored for a year and never got through all the systems, let alone saw every secret item or area. Then I started playing online and saw ask the inane amount of mods available that completely change the game.

I think my favorite was the one that created the Firefly universe. Even playing on the Alliance side, it was fun just to play around in the 'verse for a while.
 
2014-02-25 12:36:19 AM  
Came here to say Diablows 3 sucked and people will eventually get screwed on it, but seems it was already pointed out.
 
2014-02-25 02:00:22 AM  

untaken_name: Elegy: All of this talk of games that have been shut down makes me sad.

/RIP Crimson Skies HRR

Me too. I played CoH since the beta. Can you tell I'm still bitter?



Yeah, now I has a sad, too.
 
2014-02-25 05:18:14 AM  

Shadowknight: HindiDiscoMonster: /Still going strong on unofficial servers.

LOVE THAT GAME.

Man, just the game itself was huge. I explored for a year and never got through all the systems, let alone saw every secret item or area. Then I started playing online and saw ask the inane amount of mods available that completely change the game.

I think my favorite was the one that created the Firefly universe. Even playing on the Alliance side, it was fun just to play around in the 'verse for a while.


I'm glad that Chris Roberts is already putting server code in Star Citizen, so players can host their own glaxies.
They're adding mod tools as well.

/guess who's going to be playing a Firefly Universe
 
2014-02-25 06:18:36 AM  
cdn4.steampowered.com

It took one guy three years to make a better city building game then EA....and at 1/3 of the price. Yeah, it's not perfect, but I still enjoy playing it.
 
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