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(New York Daily News)   Another cruise in the Caribbean, another case of people mass vomiting by the diarrhea-inducing norovirus. Third in a month   (nydailynews.com) divider line 153
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2014-02-24 03:59:13 PM  
cgraves67: "That is an interesting question"

"Sanitation" how does it work?
 
2014-02-24 04:00:46 PM  
Could something nefarious be going on? I would be looking for connections if I was in a position to investigate.
 
2014-02-24 04:02:56 PM  
Not that I've ever been bored enough to read the back of a Lysol bottle... but it says it kills Norovirus in 10 minutes. Can they not spray the place down between cruises?
 
2014-02-24 04:03:01 PM  

rkiller1: H31N0US: Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Like Vegas or Detroit?


Nevada outside Vegas is some beautiful country, as does Michigan outside Detroit (in the summertime).

But if I had money set aside to go on a cruise, I'd rather spend it on a road trip.
 
2014-02-24 04:03:30 PM  
I also do not understand why people like it...

media.salon.com
 
2014-02-24 04:04:00 PM  

ringersol: TheNewJesus: "I never understood the appeal of cruises."

What's to (not) get?  It's an all-inclusive resort that floats instead of sitting stationary.
In concept, it's not much different than Club Med, Disney, Sandals, etc.

The drawbacks are entirely in the details of how it's operated and how people use it.


FWIW there are plenty of really nice all-inclusives that are very inexpensive. Food is iffy but drinks are "free" and decent. Plus the rooms are going to be a hell of a lot larger for a fraction of the cost of a cruise, with a large pool and right on the beach. And you can walk/taxi to local restaurants if so inclined. For some reason you don't hear the same poop stories about all-inclusives as you do about cruises but that could be the reporting.
 
2014-02-24 04:05:42 PM  
Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.
 
2014-02-24 04:06:23 PM  

fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.


I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.
 
2014-02-24 04:08:32 PM  
Who is this norovirus having a-hole who gets to go on so many cruises?
 
2014-02-24 04:08:56 PM  

dragonchild: TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.

I can totally understand an idealized concept of it -- out on the open sea, away from everything, parties, dancing, romance, stargazing. . . that's how a cruise should be.

Thing is, I'm not aware that experience is available to anyone who isn't a billionaire with a huge private yacht.  Actual cruises are notoriously commoditized; they create a crapton of pollution, the quarters are cramped, costs are cut to the bone, the food is bad, the conditions unsanitary and the entertainment basically the same lame acts over and over again.


I think this is the closest thing you're going to get to that. My parents took this cruise to Tahiti 10 years ago or so. Said it was pretty amazing. Certainly not a shiat-filled cattle car.

www.windstarcruises.com
 
2014-02-24 04:10:39 PM  
People still go on those?  Are they so cheap now because of people getting sick you'd be stupid not to take your chances on a cruise?
 
2014-02-24 04:10:48 PM  

siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.


Probably some equivalent to a Typhoid Mary, a person who harbors and spreads a disease but doesn't get sick. Just need to cross reference the shore crew, ship crew and passengers to see if there's been a common person that isn't also super common to healthy cruises.
 
2014-02-24 04:10:52 PM  

H31N0US: What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.


Don't forget the raping!
 
2014-02-24 04:10:52 PM  

sprawl15: who crapped the buffet


I'm guessing everybody who ate at the buffet was crapping it the next morning.
 
2014-02-24 04:12:01 PM  
I like to think of it as kinda a way of virulation instead of vaccination against the norovirus.

This way more and more people are exposed thus boosting herd immunity? At some point so many cruise goers will have had it that it will be safe.

I like to think this instead of thinking that people at stupid.
 
2014-02-24 04:14:11 PM  

tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.


Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights
 
2014-02-24 04:16:34 PM  
My parents took us all on a cruise to the Bahamas a few years ago and my sister and her boyfriend didn't get hassled by the three full-sized bottles of "Listerine" they brought in their carry-on luggage.

Vodka, rum and gin : )

I got was the weed smuggler.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2014-02-24 04:20:47 PM  
I did the math a few months ago for Norovirus outbreaks in 2013.  I don't recall the exact number, but there were something like 1300 cases of norovirus on cruise ships, and around 20 million norovirus cases elsewhere.  If you do the math on that it works out to .006% of case occur on cruise ships.

Apparently poop really does sell advertising on news sites, because this doesn't seem like news to me...

Information sources if anyone would like to do the math I'm to lazy to re-do:
http://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/multimedia.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm
 
2014-02-24 04:21:18 PM  

rkiller1: Resident Muslim: I can sea a pattern here.

No shiat, Sherlock.


When I for the email notification to a reply, I thought I'll get a "I saw what you did there or something".
But, no. I get you.


/lots of it, Sherlock.
 
2014-02-24 04:21:49 PM  

siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.


one hand in their bum, the other in the salad.
 
2014-02-24 04:24:39 PM  

The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.


Roughly 300 cruise ships in the world, I think this is the 4th "sick ship" of the year.  Let's round that down to 1% for math-is-hard purposes.  A ship seems to qualify for this designation if illness hits about 5% of the people on board.  (I know it's lower but math is hard.)  So if you're on that 1% ship, you've got about a 5% chance of getting sick.  A lot of people are comfortable with those odds.  Even on a "sick ship", the vast majority of the people don't experience hardship  and they get a free replacement cruise or, at the very least, a steep discount.

On an anecdotal note, I was recently on a back-to-back cruise (where you stay on the same ship for two cruises) and I got a cold towards the end of the first cruise.  The symptoms weren't like the colds I'm used to so I went to the medical center to ask if they thought I should cut my cruise short by getting off while we were in port between itineraries.  I thought maybe it was the start of something nasty and who would know "get off my ship" symptoms better than a ship's doctor?  The receptionist did everything she could to dissuade me from seeing the doctor.  I finally gave up, bought some daytime cold medicine, and holed up in my cabin for a couple days until I felt better.

I assume they wanted to avoid having a reported illness on the books, even if it was just a cold but it seems like a short-sighted policy.  If someone is sick and wants to get a quick check from a doctor, they should be falling all over themselves to examine the person.  That's how you prevent outbreaks.  You get out the bud nippers and nip it.  /Sanford

BTW, the daytime cold medicine at the med center was half the price of the daytime cold medicine at the gift shop.
 
2014-02-24 04:25:19 PM  

katghoti: I am getting sick and tired of hearing about these cruise pukes/shiat fests.  Hey you know you take the chance crammed into an enclosed area with people who can't miss their boat no matter what.

It's like swimming in a public pool with parents that don't diaper their kids.

/shiat


People ask me "if you like the ocean so much, why not just take a cruise?"

Because a) I source and prepare the food, b) I don't buy from the lowest supplier of "food", c) make sure I wash my hands and head (nautical) and d) don't cram my boat with 2,000 gluttonous fatasses looking to eat six meals a day inbetween bar shots.

That, and I hate people.
 
2014-02-24 04:25:37 PM  

rkiller1: FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.


On the bright side, I'm sure there was no shortage of samples! :D

/fark being stuck on a floating can with a shiatload of other people
//My coworker thought it was funny when I said I go on vacation to get away from other people...
 
2014-02-24 04:27:34 PM  
Norovirus is notoriously hard to remove completely once it has been exposed to a surface. Add the fact that it can stay latent on a surface for quite some time and you can see how this keeps reoccurring on cruises. 90% of the time it's already on the ship before passengers get on.
 
2014-02-24 04:28:35 PM  

blatz514: I also do not understand why people like it...

[media.salon.com image 750x500]


What an unctuous, Uncle Chester face that cawkgobbler has.

/have a seat, Canuckstani.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:14 PM  

Salmon: siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.

one hand in their bum, the other in the salad.


Ah, German porn. I don't miss you a bit.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:15 PM  

Jument: Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights


That's the way I roll.  I got back from a week of scuba diving in Bonaire recently.  It was fantastic enjoying a breezy 85°F day in the sun knowing that it was below freezing back home.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:33 PM  

wildcardjack: siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.

Probably some equivalent to a Typhoid Mary, a person who harbors and spreads a disease but doesn't get sick. Just need to cross reference the shore crew, ship crew and passengers to see if there's been a common person that isn't also super common to healthy cruises.


3rd world crew.

You have to tell them how to properly sit on a western toilet. Otherwise they will squat on it, with feet on either side of the bowl. The bowl shatters after this abuse, and cuts the femoral artery, bleeding them out in seconds. You also have to tell them to wash their hands after using the toilet, repeatedly, a watch.
 
2014-02-24 04:31:44 PM  
So basically, a cruise ship is a gigantic, floating Dirty Sanchez.
 
2014-02-24 04:32:47 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


We've always had a fantastic time. Baltic. Alaska.

The appeal is that they're to places we weren't likely to drive to. Or through.

And, if you shop carefully, they're cheaper than the equivalent in hotels and restaurants.
 
2014-02-24 04:35:01 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


Cruises are for lazy people who can't figure out what to do on vacation.
 
2014-02-24 04:35:38 PM  

tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.


You are risking Huricane Season tho.

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.
 
2014-02-24 04:40:35 PM  

sovietski: suebhoney: And people wonder why I'm not into taking a cruise...

I understand that the bulk percentage of cruises, this doesn't happen, but meh, why take a chance?

I'm not a fan of the open water, hence no cruise for me. I'm not scared of much, but I'm terrified at the thought of drowning.

Or being eaten by a shark.

See also: SS Andrea Doria



2.bp.blogspot.com
/yes, i know it's a different name; shut up
 
2014-02-24 04:42:12 PM  
Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.

I mean, if you don't want to run any risks, I suggest vegetative state. Every day we flip the coin: Paper or plastic; donut & coffee, or just the donut; ask Wendy the receptionist out on a date, or just pass by at her again, hoping she'll notice.
People die in their homes every day, and not just suicide, robbery, or assault. You might fall. trip and break your neck entering/during/after you take a shower. You might choke on food and die, you might get poisoned, you might fall on a flight of stairs, you might over-medicate or under-medicate yourself. Your dog might punch you to death; the ceiling might fall over your head; someone might hit you with a ball and you'll die...
 
2014-02-24 04:46:08 PM  

Jument: The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.

It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.


Probably because it sells news.   And the thing about the norovirus is that any restaurant can cause an outbreak. However, it's a short illness and people can't always be certain what gave them "food poisoning".   So they don't report it to public health officials and it doesn't make the news.  A cruise ship is unique because it's obvious that there is an outbreak and a common source for the infection.

Since those in service industry usually don't get paid sick days, there is bound to be some guy somewhere prepping food inbetween runs to the restroom.  That behavior isn't going to be unique to a cruise ship.
 
2014-02-24 04:46:14 PM  

fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.


True.  But it happens way more often in winter.  People in cold climates tend to stay indoors more where they are in closer contact with other people.  That can lead to the virus spreading more easily.

I know a habitual cruiser (2-3 cruises per year) who says that it is common knowledge among other habitual cruisers that you should avoid winter cruises.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-24 04:46:48 PM  

under a mountain: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

You are risking Huricane Season tho.

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.


Yeah, but if you don't meet your pillage quota, the jarl won't let you back on the longship.
 
2014-02-24 04:47:01 PM  
Sickly farks getting on the boat when they know they are sick.

Thanks for ruining everyone else's vacations you self-absorbed arseholes.
 
2014-02-24 04:48:42 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Sickly farks getting on the boat when they know they are sick.

Thanks for ruining everyone else's vacations you self-absorbed arseholes.


But that's their job, and if they don't bring home a pay check at the end of the cruise, their kids eat shoe leather until they can afford food again.

(it's the crew, not the passengers)
 
2014-02-24 04:48:44 PM  
From the stomach cramps to the nausea to the explosive diarrhea, it hits you -

This is way more than a cruise!
 
2014-02-24 04:49:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.

I mean, if you don't want to run any risks, I suggest vegetative state. Every day we flip the coin: Paper or plastic; donut & coffee, or just the donut; ask Wendy the receptionist out on a date, or just pass by at her again, hoping she'll notice.
People die in their homes every day, and not just suicide, robbery, or assault. You might fall. trip and break your neck entering/during/after you take a shower. You might choke on food and die, you might get poisoned, you might fall on a flight of stairs, you might over-medicate or under-medicate yourself. Your dog might punch you to death; the ceiling might fall over your head; someone might hit you with a ball and you'll die...


It is a risk vs. reward thing.  The risk of being trapped at sea on a vomit-boat where half the male crew has been convicted of a sex crime in some other country isn't worth the limited reward of being packed on a boat with several thousand people, eating shatty food and visiting tourist trap ports for a few hours.
 
2014-02-24 04:50:20 PM  

McDougal: H31N0US: What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Don't forget the raping!


www.xoticspot.com
 
2014-02-24 04:51:39 PM  

Valiente: blatz514: I also do not understand why people like it...

[media.salon.com image 750x500]

What an unctuous, Uncle Chester face that cawkgobbler has.

/have a seat, Canuckstani.


It was very difficult to do the GIS for him without punching my computer monitor.
 
2014-02-24 04:51:55 PM  

Poop Thread!!!111!!eleventy

 
2014-02-24 04:55:50 PM  
Smeggy Smurf

How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck? Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?

Nothing's queer once you leave the pier.

The military is less susceptible because it's hard to contaminate NBC-hardened sea rations, because the ship is run with better sanitation protocols that people are ordered to follow, because the ship is built for military duty and avoiding sickness is as important as staying afloat, and because the passengers aren't allowed to leave.

The Navy is better at sailing than the cruise ship lines.
 
2014-02-24 04:57:04 PM  
In related news, hundreds of cruises with tens of thousands of passengers have not had an issue with norovirus. Also, thousands of planes took off and landed safely today and millions of drivers arrived at their destination without being in an accident.
 
2014-02-24 04:59:22 PM  
I kinda want to go on one of these sick cruises ever since I had my DNA sequenced and I found out I'm resistant to Norovirus. I could rule the boat as a pirate king! Sure my subjects would be too sick to serve me but it could be a good time until they turn on me and try to make a cure out of my blood/body parts.
 
2014-02-24 05:00:14 PM  

NightOwl2255: In related news, hundreds of cruises with tens of thousands of passengers have not had an issue with norovirus. Also, thousands of planes took off and landed safely today and millions of drivers arrived at their destination without being in an accident.


But when it happens it's still news.  Much more so when it is just one of a string of ridiculous mishaps aboard cruises in a very short timespan.
 
2014-02-24 05:00:25 PM  

Jument: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights


Good friend just got back from a cruise to the Yucatan, loved it, no virus.

I did a trans-Atlantic back in the day, Miami to Lisbon.  No virus back then, either, plus Norwegian (used to be) a tip-top line.  Not sure about now, though...
 
2014-02-24 05:02:05 PM  
To be fair to the cruise industry, the norovirus is in like full outbreak mode right now. I have several friends who have had it this season, most of which were in the past month or so.

Cruise ships just have it worse because of the conditions, which everyone else has alluded to.

Summer: Bro fist
Winter: Don't touch me
 
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