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(New York Daily News)   Another cruise in the Caribbean, another case of people mass vomiting by the diarrhea-inducing norovirus. Third in a month   (nydailynews.com) divider line 153
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2014-02-24 03:36:29 PM  
FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.
 
2014-02-24 03:36:56 PM  
I can sea a pattern here.
 
2014-02-24 03:37:04 PM  
The Pooooop Boooooat!  Exciting and newwwwwwwwwwwww!
 
2014-02-24 03:37:53 PM  
I blame the passengers, they're clearly covered in germs. Get rid of them all and the cruises will have no problems.
 
2014-02-24 03:38:00 PM  
I am getting sick and tired of hearing about these cruise pukes/shiat fests.  Hey you know you take the chance crammed into an enclosed area with people who can't miss their boat no matter what.

It's like swimming in a public pool with parents that don't diaper their kids.

/shiat
 
2014-02-24 03:38:12 PM  
It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.
 
2014-02-24 03:39:16 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The Pooooop Boooooat!  Exciting and ewwwwwwwwwwwww!


FTFY
 
2014-02-24 03:40:01 PM  
Sailing on a ship of stools.
 
2014-02-24 03:40:37 PM  
Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")
 
2014-02-24 03:40:42 PM  
I was in the Navy for 7 years...the idea of going on a cruise seems unpleasant, even without having to work.

These days, with the Norovirus thing, the deal is now sealed. The cool thing is that the wife has stopped even suggesting it. Win!
 
2014-02-24 03:40:45 PM  
Who are the dumbasses still signing up to go on a diarrhea cruise?
 
2014-02-24 03:41:25 PM  
The S/S Barfs famous iguana-on-stick?
 
2014-02-24 03:41:51 PM  

Resident Muslim: I can sea a pattern here.


No shiat, Sherlock.
 
2014-02-24 03:42:07 PM  
Diarrhea-cha-cha-cha!
Diarrhea-cha-cha-cha!
 
2014-02-24 03:42:28 PM  
I never understood the appeal of cruises.
 
2014-02-24 03:42:42 PM  
And people wonder why I'm not into taking a cruise...

I understand that the bulk percentage of cruises, this doesn't happen, but meh, why take a chance?
 
2014-02-24 03:43:32 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


crow202.org
 
2014-02-24 03:43:41 PM  
Poseidon is angry.  We have trod on his lawn one too many times.
 
2014-02-24 03:44:35 PM  
Reclassify this as a Weight Loss Cruise and call this a free benifit.
 
2014-02-24 03:44:54 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

I'm in your GI, making you turbo-crap.
 
2014-02-24 03:44:54 PM  

3.bp.blogspot.com

Super brown

 
2014-02-24 03:45:15 PM  
This is why I've been on a total of one cruise, and that was because someone was having a destination wedding.Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.
 
2014-02-24 03:46:39 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")


Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.
 
2014-02-24 03:46:48 PM  
Coprophagia Cruise?
 
2014-02-24 03:46:56 PM  

The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.


It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.
 
2014-02-24 03:47:03 PM  

rkiller1: FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.


Ehh, the ceilings aren't that high on cruise ships.
 
2014-02-24 03:47:10 PM  

H31N0US: Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.


Like Vegas or Detroit?
 
2014-02-24 03:47:57 PM  
On the bright side, when was the last time somebody went on a cruise and LOST weight?
 
2014-02-24 03:48:16 PM  
It was supposed to be a three hour tour. A three hour tour.
www.mentalfloss.com
 
2014-02-24 03:48:21 PM  
How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?
 
2014-02-24 03:48:28 PM  

rkiller1: H31N0US: Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Like Vegas or Detroit?


At least in Vegas or Detroit you're able to drive away. A cruise ship, on the other hand, makes for quite the effective trap.
 
2014-02-24 03:48:54 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?


Camels.
 
2014-02-24 03:49:11 PM  
Now is not the time to discuss hygiene control.

Please think of the victims and their families.
 
2014-02-24 03:50:02 PM  

rkiller1: H31N0US: Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Like Vegas or Detroit?


Vegas has liquor stores. And free drinks, sort of. And grocery stores if you are really motivated to eat cheap. And you can get out and walk around if you like (not recommended, but possible).

I'd rather be on a poop cruise than in Detroit though.
 
2014-02-24 03:50:13 PM  
POOP DECK THREAD!!1!
 
2014-02-24 03:53:27 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


I don't understand the appeal of ocean cruises, but river cruises sound kind of interesting.
 
2014-02-24 03:53:29 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


I can totally understand an idealized concept of it -- out on the open sea, away from everything, parties, dancing, romance, stargazing. . . that's how a cruise should be.

Thing is, I'm not aware that experience is available to anyone who isn't a billionaire with a huge private yacht.  Actual cruises are notoriously commoditized; they create a crapton of pollution, the quarters are cramped, costs are cut to the bone, the food is bad, the conditions unsanitary and the entertainment basically the same lame acts over and over again.
 
2014-02-24 03:54:35 PM  
Cruises seem to me to be pretty much the same as being locked in to a Marriott Hotel for a week with 3500 other people.
Why would you pay for this to be done to you?
 
2014-02-24 03:54:39 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


Ive never been on a cruise but constantly see the ads for a weeks vacation all expenses paid under $300...


I think the appeal is they are so bloody cheap.
 
2014-02-24 03:54:50 PM  
TheNewJesus: "I never understood the appeal of cruises."

What's to (not) get?  It's an all-inclusive resort that floats instead of sitting stationary.
In concept, it's not much different than Club Med, Disney, Sandals, etc.

The drawbacks are entirely in the details of how it's operated and how people use it.
 
2014-02-24 03:55:23 PM  
Most of you people have disgusting habits. Yes, I'm looking at you.
 
2014-02-24 03:55:23 PM  
who crapped the buffet
 
2014-02-24 03:55:31 PM  
My sympathies to the Wastewater Treatment Operator on board.
 
2014-02-24 03:56:47 PM  

suebhoney: And people wonder why I'm not into taking a cruise...

I understand that the bulk percentage of cruises, this doesn't happen, but meh, why take a chance?


I'm not a fan of the open water, hence no cruise for me. I'm not scared of much, but I'm terrified at the thought of drowning.

Or being eaten by a shark.

See also: SS Andrea Doria
 
2014-02-24 03:56:53 PM  

Jument: The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.

It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.


I quit thinking about cruises when CNN was covering one with a laundry fire live, and the people on the ship were not being evacuated until someone happened to turn on a TV on the ship itself.  Since we all know how much attention a good fire attracts, you know it was a very BIG fire, and the ship ending up not leaving port due to the mechanical problems caused by the fire.
 
2014-02-24 03:57:18 PM  

radarlove: Now is not the time to discuss hygiene control.

Please think of the victims and their families.


Seriously.  I just got back from a Caribbean cruise that had multiple handwashing and hand sanitation stations (in addition to the bathrooms) in all of the common areas.  No problems at all.
 
2014-02-24 03:57:20 PM  
Every deck is the poop deck.
 
2014-02-24 03:57:42 PM  

The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.


Things are improving excrementally.
 
2014-02-24 03:58:09 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?


That is an interesting question, since sailors will disembark and explore rather unsavory destinations, you would think they would be more likely to pick up strange diseases and spread them around a ship.

However, I think the answer lies not in the passengers, but in the poorly paid crews on cruise ships. They may feel ill, but they better come in to work or they miss 2 weeks of pay and probably get fired.
 
2014-02-24 03:58:32 PM  
My wife was suggesting, just last night, that we go on a cruise.
I was just like, "pffft....  I hope you're kidding.  Those things are plagued with disaster lately, in case you haven't noticed."

I was on a cruise exactly once.  It was like 30 years ago.  I must admit, I had a lot of fun.  But this was why...  I was 16.  My brother and I got placed in a cabin away from our parents.  So, every night, we went out to the bar.  No drinking age out at sea.  So we partied like mad!

I found out just a couple of years ago that they actually knew about this, and just didn't do anything to stop us.
I thought that was pretty funny too...
 
2014-02-24 03:59:13 PM  
cgraves67: "That is an interesting question"

"Sanitation" how does it work?
 
2014-02-24 04:00:46 PM  
Could something nefarious be going on? I would be looking for connections if I was in a position to investigate.
 
2014-02-24 04:02:56 PM  
Not that I've ever been bored enough to read the back of a Lysol bottle... but it says it kills Norovirus in 10 minutes. Can they not spray the place down between cruises?
 
2014-02-24 04:03:01 PM  

rkiller1: H31N0US: Trapped in a shiatty hotel with small pools and smaller rooms, expensive drinks and no nearby liquor store to ease the burden, and crap food served in cattle troughs? What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Like Vegas or Detroit?


Nevada outside Vegas is some beautiful country, as does Michigan outside Detroit (in the summertime).

But if I had money set aside to go on a cruise, I'd rather spend it on a road trip.
 
2014-02-24 04:03:30 PM  
I also do not understand why people like it...

media.salon.com
 
2014-02-24 04:04:00 PM  

ringersol: TheNewJesus: "I never understood the appeal of cruises."

What's to (not) get?  It's an all-inclusive resort that floats instead of sitting stationary.
In concept, it's not much different than Club Med, Disney, Sandals, etc.

The drawbacks are entirely in the details of how it's operated and how people use it.


FWIW there are plenty of really nice all-inclusives that are very inexpensive. Food is iffy but drinks are "free" and decent. Plus the rooms are going to be a hell of a lot larger for a fraction of the cost of a cruise, with a large pool and right on the beach. And you can walk/taxi to local restaurants if so inclined. For some reason you don't hear the same poop stories about all-inclusives as you do about cruises but that could be the reporting.
 
2014-02-24 04:05:42 PM  
Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.
 
2014-02-24 04:06:23 PM  

fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.


I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.
 
2014-02-24 04:08:32 PM  
Who is this norovirus having a-hole who gets to go on so many cruises?
 
2014-02-24 04:08:56 PM  

dragonchild: TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.

I can totally understand an idealized concept of it -- out on the open sea, away from everything, parties, dancing, romance, stargazing. . . that's how a cruise should be.

Thing is, I'm not aware that experience is available to anyone who isn't a billionaire with a huge private yacht.  Actual cruises are notoriously commoditized; they create a crapton of pollution, the quarters are cramped, costs are cut to the bone, the food is bad, the conditions unsanitary and the entertainment basically the same lame acts over and over again.


I think this is the closest thing you're going to get to that. My parents took this cruise to Tahiti 10 years ago or so. Said it was pretty amazing. Certainly not a shiat-filled cattle car.

www.windstarcruises.com
 
2014-02-24 04:10:39 PM  
People still go on those?  Are they so cheap now because of people getting sick you'd be stupid not to take your chances on a cruise?
 
2014-02-24 04:10:48 PM  

siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.


Probably some equivalent to a Typhoid Mary, a person who harbors and spreads a disease but doesn't get sick. Just need to cross reference the shore crew, ship crew and passengers to see if there's been a common person that isn't also super common to healthy cruises.
 
2014-02-24 04:10:52 PM  

H31N0US: What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.


Don't forget the raping!
 
2014-02-24 04:10:52 PM  

sprawl15: who crapped the buffet


I'm guessing everybody who ate at the buffet was crapping it the next morning.
 
2014-02-24 04:12:01 PM  
I like to think of it as kinda a way of virulation instead of vaccination against the norovirus.

This way more and more people are exposed thus boosting herd immunity? At some point so many cruise goers will have had it that it will be safe.

I like to think this instead of thinking that people at stupid.
 
2014-02-24 04:14:11 PM  

tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.


Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights
 
2014-02-24 04:16:34 PM  
My parents took us all on a cruise to the Bahamas a few years ago and my sister and her boyfriend didn't get hassled by the three full-sized bottles of "Listerine" they brought in their carry-on luggage.

Vodka, rum and gin : )

I got was the weed smuggler.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2014-02-24 04:20:47 PM  
I did the math a few months ago for Norovirus outbreaks in 2013.  I don't recall the exact number, but there were something like 1300 cases of norovirus on cruise ships, and around 20 million norovirus cases elsewhere.  If you do the math on that it works out to .006% of case occur on cruise ships.

Apparently poop really does sell advertising on news sites, because this doesn't seem like news to me...

Information sources if anyone would like to do the math I'm to lazy to re-do:
http://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/multimedia.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm
 
2014-02-24 04:21:18 PM  

rkiller1: Resident Muslim: I can sea a pattern here.

No shiat, Sherlock.


When I for the email notification to a reply, I thought I'll get a "I saw what you did there or something".
But, no. I get you.


/lots of it, Sherlock.
 
2014-02-24 04:21:49 PM  

siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.


one hand in their bum, the other in the salad.
 
2014-02-24 04:24:39 PM  

The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.


Roughly 300 cruise ships in the world, I think this is the 4th "sick ship" of the year.  Let's round that down to 1% for math-is-hard purposes.  A ship seems to qualify for this designation if illness hits about 5% of the people on board.  (I know it's lower but math is hard.)  So if you're on that 1% ship, you've got about a 5% chance of getting sick.  A lot of people are comfortable with those odds.  Even on a "sick ship", the vast majority of the people don't experience hardship  and they get a free replacement cruise or, at the very least, a steep discount.

On an anecdotal note, I was recently on a back-to-back cruise (where you stay on the same ship for two cruises) and I got a cold towards the end of the first cruise.  The symptoms weren't like the colds I'm used to so I went to the medical center to ask if they thought I should cut my cruise short by getting off while we were in port between itineraries.  I thought maybe it was the start of something nasty and who would know "get off my ship" symptoms better than a ship's doctor?  The receptionist did everything she could to dissuade me from seeing the doctor.  I finally gave up, bought some daytime cold medicine, and holed up in my cabin for a couple days until I felt better.

I assume they wanted to avoid having a reported illness on the books, even if it was just a cold but it seems like a short-sighted policy.  If someone is sick and wants to get a quick check from a doctor, they should be falling all over themselves to examine the person.  That's how you prevent outbreaks.  You get out the bud nippers and nip it.  /Sanford

BTW, the daytime cold medicine at the med center was half the price of the daytime cold medicine at the gift shop.
 
2014-02-24 04:25:19 PM  

katghoti: I am getting sick and tired of hearing about these cruise pukes/shiat fests.  Hey you know you take the chance crammed into an enclosed area with people who can't miss their boat no matter what.

It's like swimming in a public pool with parents that don't diaper their kids.

/shiat


People ask me "if you like the ocean so much, why not just take a cruise?"

Because a) I source and prepare the food, b) I don't buy from the lowest supplier of "food", c) make sure I wash my hands and head (nautical) and d) don't cram my boat with 2,000 gluttonous fatasses looking to eat six meals a day inbetween bar shots.

That, and I hate people.
 
2014-02-24 04:25:37 PM  

rkiller1: FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.


On the bright side, I'm sure there was no shortage of samples! :D

/fark being stuck on a floating can with a shiatload of other people
//My coworker thought it was funny when I said I go on vacation to get away from other people...
 
2014-02-24 04:27:34 PM  
Norovirus is notoriously hard to remove completely once it has been exposed to a surface. Add the fact that it can stay latent on a surface for quite some time and you can see how this keeps reoccurring on cruises. 90% of the time it's already on the ship before passengers get on.
 
2014-02-24 04:28:35 PM  

blatz514: I also do not understand why people like it...

[media.salon.com image 750x500]


What an unctuous, Uncle Chester face that cawkgobbler has.

/have a seat, Canuckstani.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:14 PM  

Salmon: siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.

one hand in their bum, the other in the salad.


Ah, German porn. I don't miss you a bit.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:15 PM  

Jument: Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights


That's the way I roll.  I got back from a week of scuba diving in Bonaire recently.  It was fantastic enjoying a breezy 85°F day in the sun knowing that it was below freezing back home.
 
2014-02-24 04:30:33 PM  

wildcardjack: siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.

Probably some equivalent to a Typhoid Mary, a person who harbors and spreads a disease but doesn't get sick. Just need to cross reference the shore crew, ship crew and passengers to see if there's been a common person that isn't also super common to healthy cruises.


3rd world crew.

You have to tell them how to properly sit on a western toilet. Otherwise they will squat on it, with feet on either side of the bowl. The bowl shatters after this abuse, and cuts the femoral artery, bleeding them out in seconds. You also have to tell them to wash their hands after using the toilet, repeatedly, a watch.
 
2014-02-24 04:31:44 PM  
So basically, a cruise ship is a gigantic, floating Dirty Sanchez.
 
2014-02-24 04:32:47 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


We've always had a fantastic time. Baltic. Alaska.

The appeal is that they're to places we weren't likely to drive to. Or through.

And, if you shop carefully, they're cheaper than the equivalent in hotels and restaurants.
 
2014-02-24 04:35:01 PM  

TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.


Cruises are for lazy people who can't figure out what to do on vacation.
 
2014-02-24 04:35:38 PM  

tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.


You are risking Huricane Season tho.

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.
 
2014-02-24 04:40:35 PM  

sovietski: suebhoney: And people wonder why I'm not into taking a cruise...

I understand that the bulk percentage of cruises, this doesn't happen, but meh, why take a chance?

I'm not a fan of the open water, hence no cruise for me. I'm not scared of much, but I'm terrified at the thought of drowning.

Or being eaten by a shark.

See also: SS Andrea Doria



2.bp.blogspot.com
/yes, i know it's a different name; shut up
 
2014-02-24 04:42:12 PM  
Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.

I mean, if you don't want to run any risks, I suggest vegetative state. Every day we flip the coin: Paper or plastic; donut & coffee, or just the donut; ask Wendy the receptionist out on a date, or just pass by at her again, hoping she'll notice.
People die in their homes every day, and not just suicide, robbery, or assault. You might fall. trip and break your neck entering/during/after you take a shower. You might choke on food and die, you might get poisoned, you might fall on a flight of stairs, you might over-medicate or under-medicate yourself. Your dog might punch you to death; the ceiling might fall over your head; someone might hit you with a ball and you'll die...
 
2014-02-24 04:46:08 PM  

Jument: The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.

It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.


Probably because it sells news.   And the thing about the norovirus is that any restaurant can cause an outbreak. However, it's a short illness and people can't always be certain what gave them "food poisoning".   So they don't report it to public health officials and it doesn't make the news.  A cruise ship is unique because it's obvious that there is an outbreak and a common source for the infection.

Since those in service industry usually don't get paid sick days, there is bound to be some guy somewhere prepping food inbetween runs to the restroom.  That behavior isn't going to be unique to a cruise ship.
 
2014-02-24 04:46:14 PM  

fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.


True.  But it happens way more often in winter.  People in cold climates tend to stay indoors more where they are in closer contact with other people.  That can lead to the virus spreading more easily.

I know a habitual cruiser (2-3 cruises per year) who says that it is common knowledge among other habitual cruisers that you should avoid winter cruises.

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2014-02-24 04:46:48 PM  

under a mountain: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

You are risking Huricane Season tho.

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.


Yeah, but if you don't meet your pillage quota, the jarl won't let you back on the longship.
 
2014-02-24 04:47:01 PM  
Sickly farks getting on the boat when they know they are sick.

Thanks for ruining everyone else's vacations you self-absorbed arseholes.
 
2014-02-24 04:48:42 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Sickly farks getting on the boat when they know they are sick.

Thanks for ruining everyone else's vacations you self-absorbed arseholes.


But that's their job, and if they don't bring home a pay check at the end of the cruise, their kids eat shoe leather until they can afford food again.

(it's the crew, not the passengers)
 
2014-02-24 04:48:44 PM  
From the stomach cramps to the nausea to the explosive diarrhea, it hits you -

This is way more than a cruise!
 
2014-02-24 04:49:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.

I mean, if you don't want to run any risks, I suggest vegetative state. Every day we flip the coin: Paper or plastic; donut & coffee, or just the donut; ask Wendy the receptionist out on a date, or just pass by at her again, hoping she'll notice.
People die in their homes every day, and not just suicide, robbery, or assault. You might fall. trip and break your neck entering/during/after you take a shower. You might choke on food and die, you might get poisoned, you might fall on a flight of stairs, you might over-medicate or under-medicate yourself. Your dog might punch you to death; the ceiling might fall over your head; someone might hit you with a ball and you'll die...


It is a risk vs. reward thing.  The risk of being trapped at sea on a vomit-boat where half the male crew has been convicted of a sex crime in some other country isn't worth the limited reward of being packed on a boat with several thousand people, eating shatty food and visiting tourist trap ports for a few hours.
 
2014-02-24 04:50:20 PM  

McDougal: H31N0US: What's not to like. Oh yeah, the possibility of getting very sick and / or drowning.

Don't forget the raping!


www.xoticspot.com
 
2014-02-24 04:51:39 PM  

Valiente: blatz514: I also do not understand why people like it...

[media.salon.com image 750x500]

What an unctuous, Uncle Chester face that cawkgobbler has.

/have a seat, Canuckstani.


It was very difficult to do the GIS for him without punching my computer monitor.
 
2014-02-24 04:51:55 PM  

Poop Thread!!!111!!eleventy

 
2014-02-24 04:55:50 PM  
Smeggy Smurf

How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck? Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?

Nothing's queer once you leave the pier.

The military is less susceptible because it's hard to contaminate NBC-hardened sea rations, because the ship is run with better sanitation protocols that people are ordered to follow, because the ship is built for military duty and avoiding sickness is as important as staying afloat, and because the passengers aren't allowed to leave.

The Navy is better at sailing than the cruise ship lines.
 
2014-02-24 04:57:04 PM  
In related news, hundreds of cruises with tens of thousands of passengers have not had an issue with norovirus. Also, thousands of planes took off and landed safely today and millions of drivers arrived at their destination without being in an accident.
 
2014-02-24 04:59:22 PM  
I kinda want to go on one of these sick cruises ever since I had my DNA sequenced and I found out I'm resistant to Norovirus. I could rule the boat as a pirate king! Sure my subjects would be too sick to serve me but it could be a good time until they turn on me and try to make a cure out of my blood/body parts.
 
2014-02-24 05:00:14 PM  

NightOwl2255: In related news, hundreds of cruises with tens of thousands of passengers have not had an issue with norovirus. Also, thousands of planes took off and landed safely today and millions of drivers arrived at their destination without being in an accident.


But when it happens it's still news.  Much more so when it is just one of a string of ridiculous mishaps aboard cruises in a very short timespan.
 
2014-02-24 05:00:25 PM  

Jument: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights


Good friend just got back from a cruise to the Yucatan, loved it, no virus.

I did a trans-Atlantic back in the day, Miami to Lisbon.  No virus back then, either, plus Norwegian (used to be) a tip-top line.  Not sure about now, though...
 
2014-02-24 05:02:05 PM  
To be fair to the cruise industry, the norovirus is in like full outbreak mode right now. I have several friends who have had it this season, most of which were in the past month or so.

Cruise ships just have it worse because of the conditions, which everyone else has alluded to.

Summer: Bro fist
Winter: Don't touch me
 
2014-02-24 05:02:25 PM  

Jument: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

Yeah but September isn't a bad month in the US. There's nothing to take a break from. February, on the other hand, is mostly shiat and a break feels great.

/thinking about Mexico next week, well-reviewed all-inclusive for 2 for $1700 including air fees (on points though) for 5 nights


Which one?  The wife and I just booked one for the first week in April.  Staying just south of Cancun.  I have three requirements:
1) No kids; that's part of why we are leaving in the first place
2) You better have Havana Club rum, and better beer than farking Corona
3) 24 hour room service.  Nothing better than beer and huevos rancheros at 3 a.m. after sexy time

/ A beach and a nice pool are good too, I guess
 
2014-02-24 05:02:45 PM  

sovietski: suebhoney: And people wonder why I'm not into taking a cruise...

I understand that the bulk percentage of cruises, this doesn't happen, but meh, why take a chance?

I'm not a fan of the open water, hence no cruise for me. I'm not scared of much, but I'm terrified at the thought of drowning.

Or being eaten by a shark.

See also: SS Andrea Doria


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-02-24 05:03:08 PM  
What is it about cruises that prevents people from washing their hands after they take a shiat?
 
2014-02-24 05:04:10 PM  

CygnusDarius: Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.

I mean, if you don't want to run any risks, I suggest vegetative state. Every day we flip the coin: Paper or plastic; donut & coffee, or just the donut; ask Wendy the receptionist out on a date, or just pass by at her again, hoping she'll notice.
People die in their homes every day, and not just suicide, robbery, or assault. You might fall. trip and break your neck entering/during/after you take a shower. You might choke on food and die, you might get poisoned, you might fall on a flight of stairs, you might over-medicate or under-medicate yourself. Your dog might punch you to death; the ceiling might fall over your head; someone might hit you with a ball and you'll die...


Are you in the marketing biz for cruises? Good stuff.
 
2014-02-24 05:06:39 PM  

under a mountain: tripleseven: fonebone77: Born_Again_Bavarian: Protip:  Don't go on a cruise during cold/flu/explosive diahrrea season (aka "winter")
Pro-protip:  Just don't go on a cruise (aka "McVacation")

Winter is the best time.  The norovirus thing can happen anytime.  In the winter you have less nasty children sneezing into their hands and touching every thing.

I think the best time to travel if you want to avoid families is September.

It's the first month of school, barely ANYONE takes vacation first month of school with their family.


GF and I always take the Caribbean vacations in Sept.  Water is warm, and little to no familes.

You are risking Huricane Season tho.

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.


True, we did have to bag a trip to Bermuda because of a hurricane, we just really quickly switched it to Aruba. Aruba is not really in the hurricane belt.

However nasty weather can happen anytime.

Aruba in sept is pretty awesome. It is almost deserted.
We've been three times.
 
2014-02-24 05:07:38 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: I kinda want to go on one of these sick cruises ever since I had my DNA sequenced and I found out I'm resistant to Norovirus. I could rule the boat as a pirate king! Sure my subjects would be too sick to serve me but it could be a good time until they turn on me and try to make a cure out of my blood/body parts.


In the land of the poop cruise the man who doesn't poop is king.

Or something ike that.
 
2014-02-24 05:10:45 PM  
under a mountain:

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.

I always thought those looked pretty sweet too, but man are they pricey.  My in-laws are doing the long one this fall,and it is around $11K per person, and I don't think that includes airfare.
 
2014-02-24 05:14:59 PM  

Big 900: under a mountain:

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.

I always thought those looked pretty sweet too, but man are they pricey.  My in-laws are doing the long one this fall,and it is around $11K per person, and I don't think that includes airfare.


Yeah my guess it's full of 55+ crowd.
 
2014-02-24 05:24:06 PM  

CygnusDarius: Truth be told, I think the chances of crappy food (in more ways than one) is better than sitting at home staring at a box, only to sleep in a box, wake up and leave you living box, drive a box on wheels, work on a corporate box, and spend your days in boxes until the day you're in one forever.


Yeah, so go have diarrhoea on a big floating box! Now, *that's* living.

(But if someone is in the kind of facility where spending time outside isn't an option, he probably doesn't get a chance to go on cruises anyway.)
 
2014-02-24 05:27:05 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?


numbers dude numbers! in the Navy you don't board thousands of new people every farkin week! ... and people do get sick on board naval ships. Just that you don't read about it on CNN.
 
2014-02-24 05:28:54 PM  

under a mountain: Big 900: under a mountain:

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.

I always thought those looked pretty sweet too, but man are they pricey.  My in-laws are doing the long one this fall,and it is around $11K per person, and I don't think that includes airfare.

Yeah my guess it's full of 55+ crowd.


My mom and brothers did one in China about 9 years ago. It wasn't as elderly as you would expect.
 
2014-02-24 05:28:54 PM  

cgraves67: Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?

That is an interesting question, since sailors will disembark and explore rather unsavory destinations, you would think they would be more likely to pick up strange diseases and spread them around a ship.

However, I think the answer lies not in the passengers, but in the poorly paid crews on cruise ships. They may feel ill, but they better come in to work or they miss 2 weeks of pay and probably get fired.




The Navy also keeps their ships clean by holding daily cleaning, weekly field days, and regular inspections of the whole ship. If a space fails an imspection it is cleaned until it passes.
 
2014-02-24 05:29:36 PM  
kinda like this explanation . . . http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/01/30/royal-caribbean-norovirus-nonsens e /


\\ not I, said the guy who doesn't want to go
 
2014-02-24 05:30:48 PM  
with all the old people on cruises I can't believe we dont get one or two dying every time this happens.
 
2014-02-24 05:32:12 PM  
People should know better than to book a cruise on a ship called Sovereign of Disease
 
2014-02-24 05:32:51 PM  

Optimus Primate: I was in the Navy for 7 years...the idea of going on a cruise seems unpleasant, even without having to work.

These days, with the Norovirus thing, the deal is now sealed. The cool thing is that the wife has stopped even suggesting it. Win!


Retired Navy here. I've always wondered how carriers don't get norovirus outbreaks with 5-6,000 people crammed into common berthing areas.

One deployment I made almost the whole ship (1,500 crew) got the trots from eating on liberty in Thailand, the CO secured ships work and everything.
 
2014-02-24 05:40:28 PM  

under a mountain: Big 900: under a mountain:

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.

I always thought those looked pretty sweet too, but man are they pricey.  My in-laws are doing the long one this fall,and it is around $11K per person, and I don't think that includes airfare.

Yeah my guess it's full of 55+ crowd.


I see it as a non-threatening way for old folks to get a very rough approximation of backpacking through Europe; which is right up my in-law's alley.  His comments on a Baltic Sea cruise they took a few years ago:  "With the cruise ship it's like we got to take tours of all of these neat cities every day, but never had to leave America. It was great!"

Not my cup of tea, but it's their money, so good for them.
 
2014-02-24 05:51:19 PM  
Having just recovered from a nasty bout with Norovirus myself ... I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies.

I don't recall ever before having been as miserably sick as I was with this hell-spawned virus.  I'm pretty hardy but this thing just knocked me on my ass for a week.  I lost 10 pounds in 5 days.

Nasty, nasty stuff ...

/ was going to post a picture
// NEVER GIS "puke"
 
2014-02-24 05:56:46 PM  
just promote cruises as weight-loss vacations!!
 
2014-02-24 05:57:11 PM  
That's what happens when you crew these ships with uncivilized primates from the third world.
 
2014-02-24 06:21:19 PM  
I just don't see going on a cruise. I've worked on the docks my whole life, I don't need to go on another ship unless I'm the one getting paid. What's there to do but drink and eat? What's there to see? I'd walk all around it then say, OK now what? Shows or Clubs, I could care less. Not a Beach or Pool person anymore at my age so that's out. Nah, I'll stick to Vegas 2X a year.
 
2014-02-24 06:33:35 PM  

TV's Vinnie: That's what happens when you crew these ships with uncivilized primates from the third world.


Alabama is at least second world, at best.
 
2014-02-24 06:35:18 PM  

whynotisright: radarlove: Now is not the time to discuss hygiene control.

Please think of the victims and their families.

Seriously.  I just got back from a Caribbean cruise that had multiple handwashing and hand sanitation stations (in addition to the bathrooms) in all of the common areas.  No problems at all.


This and try not to touch most things in the public areas, never hit the Buffet line and use the higher end lines like Holland America.... wait what? Still takes Holland America because they're known for their food.

/know they're owned by Carnival
//loves to take cruises
 
2014-02-24 06:37:02 PM  

swannie: I did the math a few months ago for Norovirus outbreaks in 2013.  I don't recall the exact number, but there were something like 1300 cases of norovirus on cruise ships, and around 20 million norovirus cases elsewhere.  If you do the math on that it works out to .006% of case occur on cruise ships.

Apparently poop really does sell advertising on news sites, because this doesn't seem like news to me...

Information sources if anyone would like to do the math I'm to lazy to re-do:
http://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/multimedia.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm


More pertinent would be how what percentage of cruises have mass outbreaks.
 
2014-02-24 06:49:26 PM  
I LOVE cruises, but until they get this Norovirus shiat under control - NOPE.  I had Norovirus once and it was the worst experience of my life on every level: embarrassment, physical pain, and just plain weakness to a degree I couldn't even handle getting to the bathroom.  I had Norovirus once:

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2014-02-24 07:00:59 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?


It's not gay when underway.
 
2014-02-24 07:06:18 PM  

Jument: The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.

It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.


It is when the line claims they can clean the 25000 person vessel and have it back at sea in under 48 hours that bothers me.
 
2014-02-24 07:18:00 PM  

cgraves67: under a mountain: Big 900: under a mountain:

I  might give one of those Viking River cruieses in Europe a shot...doesn't look like they cram too many people on those.

I always thought those looked pretty sweet too, but man are they pricey.  My in-laws are doing the long one this fall,and it is around $11K per person, and I don't think that includes airfare.

Yeah my guess it's full of 55+ crowd.

My mom and brothers did one in China about 9 years ago. It wasn't as elderly as you would expect.



I have a friend who did one in Russia with his wife last year... about $6k each, I think it was.  There were families aboard.  Ted Turner and his family were on the same boat.
 
2014-02-24 07:37:59 PM  

limeyfellow: It is when the line claims they can clean the 25000 person vessel and have it back at sea in under 48 hours that bothers me.


Me thinks you're trying to slip a zero in on us.
 
2014-02-24 07:39:10 PM  

Medic Zero: swannie: I did the math a few months ago for Norovirus outbreaks in 2013.  I don't recall the exact number, but there were something like 1300 cases of norovirus on cruise ships, and around 20 million norovirus cases elsewhere.  If you do the math on that it works out to .006% of case occur on cruise ships.

Apparently poop really does sell advertising on news sites, because this doesn't seem like news to me...

Information sources if anyone would like to do the math I'm to lazy to re-do:
http://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/multimedia.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm

More pertinent would be how what percentage of cruises have mass outbreaks.


More difficult to calculate because you'd need to know how many ships and how many itineraries there are.  But, we can take a whack at it.  Let's assume that the typical itinerary is 1 week (7 days), and per someone else in the thread above mentioned 300 active cruise ships (I think that number is low, but let's go with it).  So, that means there are 15,600 "cruises" in a year.  There were 9 sailing in 2013 that were affected by norovirus (okay 8 by norovirus and 1 by E. coli, but when you're shatting your brains out it's all the same), so that's ... .057% or cruises affected.

2012 seemed like a worse year with 16 affected sailings, for about 0.1% of all sailing.

... either way it doesn't seem newsworthy.
 
2014-02-24 08:14:38 PM  
Maybe we should lower the amount of fecal matter allowed in the potable water.
 
2014-02-24 08:25:36 PM  

Bermuda59: cgraves67: Smeggy Smurf: How is it the Navy can manage without everybody taking a ride on the poop deck?  Is it because their poop chutes are full of seamen?

That is an interesting question, since sailors will disembark and explore rather unsavory destinations, you would think they would be more likely to pick up strange diseases and spread them around a ship.

However, I think the answer lies not in the passengers, but in the poorly paid crews on cruise ships. They may feel ill, but they better come in to work or they miss 2 weeks of pay and probably get fired.

The Navy also keeps their ships clean by holding daily cleaning, weekly field days, and regular inspections of the whole ship. If a space fails an imspection it is cleaned until it passes.


I grew up in the military, inspections are only all too well understood fully.  Getting chased by security for throwing water balloons at the FOD line was all in a summer's day.  (Yes I was a terrible child)

There is nothing that says the cruise lines cannot put in at least half the effort the Navy does.  Anybody who has ever had the norovirus (raise your hand and poop your pants for the 12th time this hour) will put up with the extra effort to keep the place clean.
 
2014-02-24 08:44:56 PM  
Which explains why 4-day Caribbean cruises are selling for $200.
 
2014-02-24 08:52:43 PM  
Cruise ships are heavily infested with the 40+ year old crowd.

YUCK.

Recommend staying ashore.
 
2014-02-24 08:54:54 PM  
I have a hard time believing anyone young enough to throw water balloons was anywhere near a FOD line.
 
2014-02-24 08:59:52 PM  
 
2014-02-24 09:08:21 PM  

yakmans_dad: TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.

We've always had a fantastic time. Baltic. Alaska.

The appeal is that they're to places we weren't likely to drive to. Or through.

And, if you shop carefully, they're cheaper than the equivalent in hotels and restaurants.


Any suggestions for an Alaskan cruise. I really want to get up there for a vacation, but as a  city boy I really don't have any "Real" outdoor experience. Normally I wouldn't even consider a vacation cruise except for the above reason. Although being able to relax for a day on the way up/back might be appealing.
 
2014-02-24 09:24:27 PM  

studebaker hoch: Cruise ships are heavily infested with the 40+ year old crowd.

YUCK.


Ow.

/40.
 
2014-02-24 09:25:40 PM  

studebaker hoch: I have a hard time believing anyone young enough to throw water balloons was anywhere near a FOD line.


Came here to post this, etc.
 
2014-02-24 09:49:01 PM  
Fuggin Bizzy

Ow.

/40


JK.  Someone upthread made a comment about the over-55 crowd and I felt the same.

/never trust anyone over 22
 
2014-02-24 10:09:24 PM  

whynotisright: radarlove: Now is not the time to discuss hygiene control.

Please think of the victims and their families.

Seriously.  I just got back from a Caribbean cruise that had multiple handwashing and hand sanitation stations (in addition to the bathrooms) in all of the common areas.  No problems at all.


Same here.  New boat from Norwegian.  I have never seen so many sinks and hand sanitizer dispensers in my life.  The buffet had probably two dozen sinks and a half dozen alcohol hand sanitizers by itself. That said, kids are still disgusting little germ factories that will run out of a bathroom without washing because they're afraid of missing the last damn chicken finger.

I think part of it is that when you go motel 6 at sea, you are rolling the dice.  Saying that, I wouldn't automatically turn down a 3 day booze cruise on a Carnival ship either, just know that it might require a little extra hand washing to avoid catching something from some sick shipmate.  And drinking more alcohol to kill anything I might get.  Probably a lot more alcohol to be safe.

/and avoiding any foods that are kid friendly like the damn chicken fingers.
 
2014-02-24 10:14:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The PooooopDuuuung Boooooat!  Exciting and newwwwwwwwwwwww!


/ftfm
 
2014-02-24 10:15:03 PM  

Gleeman: Optimus Primate: I was in the Navy for 7 years...the idea of going on a cruise seems unpleasant, even without having to work.

These days, with the Norovirus thing, the deal is now sealed. The cool thing is that the wife has stopped even suggesting it. Win!

Retired Navy here. I've always wondered how carriers don't get norovirus outbreaks with 5-6,000 people crammed into common berthing areas.

One deployment I made almost the whole ship (1,500 crew) got the trots from eating on liberty in Thailand, the CO secured ships work and everything.


Military medicine, when not involved in trauma med innovations, is pretty much devoted to monitoring a relatively homogeneous population (18-45) of healthy individuals in close contact (ships/boats/barracks).  Sick call? More than a few individuals with same symptoms?  Shiat's run down and suppressed ASAP.  Your CO knew the drill.
 
2014-02-24 10:25:13 PM  
i was section hiking the appalachian trail back in May of last year and surrounded by through hikers who talked about an awful outbreak of norovirus people got from some pizzeria/hiker hostel, so i'm getting a kick out of this...

/not all hiker hostels are equal...
//some are downright nasty
 
2014-02-24 10:49:22 PM  

escherblacksmith: kinda like this explanation . . . http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/01/30/royal-caribbean-norovirus-nonsens e /


\\ not I, said the guy who doesn't want to go


While I can't really fault his analysis of the way the virus is spread, his comments on the labor economics are self contradictory and really miss the point of why employees value the jobs at all. One second he's calling the jobs horrible, unsafe, pay that's terrible and conditions Americans wouldn't work in but then a few paragraphs later he says that if an employee complains, they risk losing a highly valued job.  Which is it? shiatty slave labor jobs or a highly valued job?  Yes, the conditions aren't the best.  I'd hate the space issues and dealing with people all day, but consider the alternatives for each employee.  A lot of them come from desperately poor places where their junk salary by American standards can support their entire families.  If I could work a job and support my parents, grandparents, spouse, and kids, and it got me into cleaner safer conditions than i had at home, I'd be an idiot to pass it up.

I work a pretty good middle class job and I could see scenarios where a steady job on a cruise ship would be a good option (assuming you get 3 hots, a cot and a little spending money).
 
2014-02-24 11:03:39 PM  

Skunkwolf: wildcardjack: siva: Norovirus transmission is fecal-oral.  That means either it's in the food, in pools, or people aren't washing their hands properly.  Regardless, it is particularly gross that fecal germs are spread that widely on cruises.

Probably some equivalent to a Typhoid Mary, a person who harbors and spreads a disease but doesn't get sick. Just need to cross reference the shore crew, ship crew and passengers to see if there's been a common person that isn't also super common to healthy cruises.

3rd world crew.

You have to tell them how to properly sit on a western toilet. Otherwise they will squat on it, with feet on either side of the bowl. The bowl shatters after this abuse, and cuts the femoral artery, bleeding them out in seconds. You also have to tell them to wash their hands after using the toilet, repeatedly, a watch.


Hahah. I lol'd.
 
2014-02-24 11:04:45 PM  
Have pollen allergies?  Problems using the toilet in public?  Constipation?   Well we have the cure for you, with our cruise you can solve many problems at once for a small fixed fee and see all the sights and smells of the Caribbean!
 
2014-02-24 11:19:31 PM  

Jument: The Slush: It amazes me that people still go on cruises.  Didn't this sh*t start happening regularly more than a decade ago?  Then again, I suppose we don't hear about all the cruises without issues.

It would be interesting to know if this is happening more or if we're just hearing about it more because poop sells news.

Either way, all of these stories have cured me of ever wanting to go on a cruise.


I used to work with cruise ship passengers/crew in Alaska, and I never heard of a mass illness like these recent ones. I mean, there were always issues, fires on board, one ran aground one time, but the main thing I took away from the experience was that overall, the crew members were by far the shadiest group of people I have ever dealt with. The assaults and thefts are the things that happen a lot that we never hear about, based on purely anecdotal evidence (but consistent anecdotes, over several seasons).
 
2014-02-25 12:06:08 AM  

Branniganslaw: yakmans_dad: TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.

We've always had a fantastic time. Baltic. Alaska.

The appeal is that they're to places we weren't likely to drive to. Or through.

And, if you shop carefully, they're cheaper than the equivalent in hotels and restaurants.

Any suggestions for an Alaskan cruise. I really want to get up there for a vacation, but as a  city boy I really don't have any "Real" outdoor experience. Normally I wouldn't even consider a vacation cruise except for the above reason. Although being able to relax for a day on the way up/back might be appealing.


The ultimate Alaskan cruise package is to sail from Seattle up the Inland Passage to Seward.  Then drive a rental to Anchorage.  From there take one of the train tours through the center of the state.  Finish up the train ride in Fairbanks.  There you rent a motorhome and drive the Alcan Highway back to the US.  

There are reverse packages that go the opposite direction.  Drive to Fairbanks, train, boat back to Seattle.  It's a 4-5 week trip of nothing but beauty and things you'll never see again.
 
2014-02-25 02:22:16 AM  
The inside passage is a lot of fun.

But don't take our word for it, ask your mom.
 
2014-02-25 04:00:39 AM  

CleanAndPure: TheNewJesus: I never understood the appeal of cruises.

Ive never been on a cruise but constantly see the ads for a weeks vacation all expenses paid under $300...


I think the appeal is they are so bloody cheap.


And before they put cameras up everywhere, it used to be a great way to get rid of someone!
 
2014-02-25 06:54:04 AM  

rkiller1: FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.


I used to actually have that job - lab testing shiat samples for norovirus. Some of those samples you'd think
1. Fark that person was sick
2. God bless the person who invented the fume cabinet
3. I need to update my CV

/getting a kick etc
 
2014-02-26 12:19:28 AM  

chatoyance: rkiller1: FTA includes testing stool samples from sick passengers and crew

And you thought you had a shiatty job.

I used to actually have that job - lab testing shiat samples for norovirus. Some of those samples you'd think
1. Fark that person was sick
2. God bless the person who invented the fume cabinet
3. I need to update my CV

/getting a kick etc


Man, ya got me beat. All I ever did was test cow shiat samples for e. coli. We did have to let it stew in a 100 degree stir tray for 24 hrs before plating though. Also, I was the one who had to collect the samples as well. And since it was animal specific and couldn't be contaminated with any others on the ground, it had to be collected from the source, shall we say.

/ poop science ftw
 
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