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(The Daily Beast)   Whole Foods has become America's Temple of Pseudoscience. The company's devotion to organic food and homeopathic cures reach an almost religious level. And that's just from the people who shop there   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2014-02-24 08:28:19 AM  
I always walk down those aisles of ginko biloba and bee pollen and wonder how much harm some of these people are doing to themselves.  There are an endless line of treatments for every imagined bugaboo.
 
2014-02-24 08:35:10 AM  
YOUR "doctors" have studied how to cut and drug people. Our healers FIX problems without blood letting or testing on animals. Who is the sick one now?
 
2014-02-24 08:38:48 AM  
It's funny to see all the gluten free products. I'm guessing most people who buy them don't have Celiac disease.
 
2014-02-24 08:41:38 AM  
Americans are suckers for snake oil remedies.
 
2014-02-24 08:50:08 AM  
ftfa: "At times, the Whole Foods selection slips from the pseudoscientific into the quasi-religious. It's not just the Ezekiel 4:9 bread (its recipe drawn from the eponymous Bible verse), or Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps, "

A little bit of the magic went out of Dr Bronner's soap when they got lawyerd up and put real safety warnings on the label.  It was better before.

"DON'T DRINK SOAP!  DILUTE DILUTE OK!"

Who needs more instructions than that?

/it also became much less religious when my eyes became bad enough to not be able to read the teeny tiny religious texts on the label.
 
2014-02-24 08:56:22 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny to see all the gluten free products. I'm guessing most people who buy them don't have Celiac disease.


there are other reasons for gluten avoidance beyond Celiac.

i can't seem to figure out why so many people get so butthurt about others' personal choices regarding their own health and diet.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: There are an endless line of treatments for every imagined bugaboo.


unlike the "health and wellness" departments of every other grocery store.
 
2014-02-24 09:01:17 AM  
Whole Foods Paycheck has become America's Temple of Pseudoscience.

FTFY.

I don't condemn people for shopping there, but personally I think it's pretty crazy that someone will spend 3x-4x the cost of other places for products that they keep telling themselves are so much better.

Then again, I'm one of the cheapest people on earth.
 
2014-02-24 09:05:40 AM  

mudmin: Whole Foods Paycheck has become America's Temple of Pseudoscience.

FTFY.

I don't condemn people for shopping there, but personally I think it's pretty crazy that someone will spend 3x-4x the cost of other places for products that they keep telling themselves are so much better.

Then again, I'm one of the cheapest people on earth.


They have Chicken Makhani frozen burritos that I can't buy at a regular grocery store. That is all I want from them.
 
2014-02-24 09:14:14 AM  
One thing about WF, they don't actually care about carrying healthy food. Try to find some low carb stuff there, good luck. Plenty of organic gluten free, but no low carb, and high blood sugar is a big problem for Americans. Teh Diabetus and all.
 
2014-02-24 09:25:12 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Try to find some low carb stuff there, good luck.


last time i was at WF the produce department was jammed with low-carb stuff.
 
2014-02-24 09:33:44 AM  
They also have Lake Champlain chocolates there, which IMHO are some of the best American made chocolates that are usually difficult to find outside of New England. They're extremely overpriced, but delicious.
 
2014-02-24 09:38:00 AM  
I don't really have a problem if you wanna buy homeopathic stuff, but it should really be sold closer to the snacks or the water than the medicine.
 
2014-02-24 09:38:46 AM  
I rarely go to whole foods as I find most of their stuff is the same as every other store up 25% in cost.

But I'll get some fresh pasta, and a lot of the time they have little nubs of cheese you can buy so you can try different types of expensive cheese without applying for a loan.
 
2014-02-24 09:41:39 AM  

doublesecretprobation: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny to see all the gluten free products. I'm guessing most people who buy them don't have Celiac disease.

there are other reasons for gluten avoidance beyond Celiac.

i can't seem to figure out why so many people get so butthurt about others' personal choices regarding their own health and diet.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: There are an endless line of treatments for every imagined bugaboo.

unlike the "health and wellness" departments of every other grocery store.


I don't get butthurt, I just like laughing at them.
 
2014-02-24 09:57:15 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I don't really have a problem if you wanna buy homeopathic stuff, but it should really be sold closer to the snacks or the water than the medicine.


I'd like it for them to not be allowed to lie about their products but yes, I wish it wasn't stacked right next to the legitimate medicine.  Too easy to pick up a package of what is essentially hard candy instead of a medicinal throat lozenge, for instance.
 
2014-02-24 09:57:23 AM  

KarmicDisaster: One thing about WF, they don't actually care about carrying healthy food. Try to find some low carb stuff there, good luck. Plenty of organic gluten free, but no low carb, and high blood sugar is a big problem for Americans. Teh Diabetus and all.



Upset they don't have low carb chocolate covered double stuffed Oreos?

Carbs are not the enemy. Most people would never have to worry about high blood sugar if they got proper exercise.
 
2014-02-24 10:00:15 AM  

doublesecretprobation: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny to see all the gluten free products. I'm guessing most people who buy them don't have Celiac disease.

there are other reasons for gluten avoidance beyond Celiac.

i can't seem to figure out why so many people get so butthurt about others' personal choices regarding their own health and diet.


A reason of "personal choice" isn't a reason at all.  "Personal choice" is a decision.

A decision that, if premised upon stupid reasons, is worthy of ridicule.
 
2014-02-24 10:01:19 AM  
Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).
 
2014-02-24 10:02:00 AM  
I enjoyed the parmesan crisps when they were  $14.99 a pound.  Not so much now that they're $19.99 a pound.
 
2014-02-24 10:04:23 AM  
the produce, wine/beer/cheese, and grocery items are pretty similar in price to other grocery stores (as far as quantity/quality goes). I will say that the meat and seafood is pretty damn expensive though. never bothered with the whole body section because I don't believe in that crap. I mean honestly, all most of the stuff is good for is doing a body cleanse which I suppose could be beneficial every once in a while. but as far as curing other aliments - talk to your doctor.

/the organic meat and produce (in season) does in fact taste better, regardless if it's actually better for you or not.
 
2014-02-24 10:06:23 AM  

meanmutton: Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).


There you go, trying to ignore or whitewash the mountains of evidence that show that chemicals are dangerous.

I prefer a chemical-free life, thank you very much.
 
2014-02-24 10:09:13 AM  

sendtodave: A reason of "personal choice" isn't a reason at all. "Personal choice" is a decision.


Why can't a decision be a reason?

"Why isn't Bob eating much at lunch?"
"He decided to have a big breakfast."
 
2014-02-24 10:11:40 AM  
I got there because they have a really good beer selection and a charging station for my car.
 
2014-02-24 10:12:38 AM  

sendtodave: I prefer a chemical-free life, thank you very much.



Too late for that.
 
2014-02-24 10:14:48 AM  

sendtodave: meanmutton: Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).

There you go, trying to ignore or whitewash the mountains of evidence that show that chemicals are dangerous.

I prefer a chemical-free life, thank you very much.


Yeah, that dihydrogen monoxide has been shown to be fatal if you ingest too much of it, so you should probably cut it put of your diet completely. I'd also recommend cutting out sodium chloride completely as that has also been shown to cause health problems as well. And what sound scarier than L-ascorbic acid?
 
2014-02-24 10:16:04 AM  
They still sell products that contain DHMO. Its the most distructive chemical in the world!
 
2014-02-24 10:16:27 AM  

RexTalionis: sendtodave: A reason of "personal choice" isn't a reason at all. "Personal choice" is a decision.

Why can't a decision be a reason?

"Why isn't Bob eating much at lunch?"
"He decided to have a big breakfast."


...

de·ci·sion
diˈsiZHən/
noun
1.
a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration.

We can laugh at their faulty and flawed considerations.

"Why isn't Bob eating much at lunch?"
"Because the food contains MSG, and he thinks that MSG is harmful."
"Ha ha, Bob is retarded."
 
2014-02-24 10:17:02 AM  

Mad_Radhu: sendtodave: meanmutton: Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).

There you go, trying to ignore or whitewash the mountains of evidence that show that chemicals are dangerous.

I prefer a chemical-free life, thank you very much.

Yeah, that dihydrogen monoxide has been shown to be fatal if you ingest too much of it, so you should probably cut it put of your diet completely. I'd also recommend cutting out sodium chloride completely as that has also been shown to cause health problems as well. And what sound scarier than L-ascorbic acid?


[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2014-02-24 10:19:40 AM  
I've never been to a Whole Foods.  The closest one to me is about 50-60 miles away, in the eastern Cleveland suburbs.  It's in the same strip mall as Corky & Lenny's deli, and I'd much rather go there.

/i sound fat
 
2014-02-24 10:29:12 AM  

sendtodave: Mad_Radhu: sendtodave: meanmutton: Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).

There you go, trying to ignore or whitewash the mountains of evidence that show that chemicals are dangerous.

I prefer a chemical-free life, thank you very much.

Yeah, that dihydrogen monoxide has been shown to be fatal if you ingest too much of it, so you should probably cut it put of your diet completely. I'd also recommend cutting out sodium chloride completely as that has also been shown to cause health problems as well. And what sound scarier than L-ascorbic acid?

[thatsthejoke.jpg]


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2014-02-24 10:42:17 AM  

doublesecretprobation: there are other reasons for gluten avoidance beyond Celiac.

i can't seem to figure out why so many people get so butthurt about others' personal choices regarding their own health and diet.


They don't.  The trouble is that the people making these "personal choices" almost invariably turn into evangelists for their "personal choice" and start spreading make-believe bullshiat about the health effects of their placebo.

Eat all the gluten-free soy carboard you want, just shut the fark up about it.
 
2014-02-24 11:00:37 AM  
If you're treating Whole Foods as a place to get certain food items of a higher quality than is generally available at a typical American supermarket, you're doing it right.

If you're treating it like it's a drugstore, you're a dope.
 
2014-02-24 11:03:38 AM  

doublesecretprobation: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny to see all the gluten free products. I'm guessing most people who buy them don't have Celiac disease.

there are other reasons for gluten avoidance beyond Celiac.

i can't seem to figure out why so many people get so butthurt about others' personal choices regarding their own health and diet.


And there are very few in terms of gluten itself. But, avoiding gluten has the side effect of culling a lot of junk food and processed food from your diet, and there are obvious health benefits to that.

I shop at Whole Foods. I don't want hormone and antibiotic-laden meat. I don't want cured meat with sodium nitrate. I don't want produced treated with pesticides (although I still opt for local over shipped produce as much as possible). But I snicker and shake my head when going past the frou-frou health products. I do believe in the placebo effect, though, so if it makes you feel better, do what makes you happy. Someone is making money off of it, and that's what capitalism is all about.
 
2014-02-24 11:06:47 AM  

Nabb1: But, avoiding gluten has the side effect of culling a lot of junk food and processed food from your diet, and there are obvious health benefits to that.


Meanwhile, in China, we eat this:

skipthepie.org

Stir-fried gluten balls.
 
2014-02-24 11:10:28 AM  

RexTalionis: Nabb1: But, avoiding gluten has the side effect of culling a lot of junk food and processed food from your diet, and there are obvious health benefits to that.

Meanwhile, in China, we eat this:

[skipthepie.org image 500x375]

Stir-fried gluten balls.


That looks tasty.
 
2014-02-24 11:22:20 AM  

meanmutton: Slate had an article recently about the stuff they sell at WalMart that wouldn't be allowed in a Whole Foods and they included a few ingredients which are banned from Whole Foods.  The list included things like MSG, artificial coloring, aspertame, sodium benzoate, etc.  Basically, it's every ingredient that the pseodo-science crowd thinks is trying to kill you (despite mountains of evidence showing its safety).


MSG makes me parched and gives me a headache.

It's not trying to kill me, but since I can afford food without MSG, I prefer to buy that.
 
2014-02-24 11:49:38 AM  
 
2014-02-24 11:51:06 AM  
The health zealots are so out of control that we now have gluten-free dog food.
 
2014-02-24 11:53:16 AM  

Nabb1: I don't want produced treated with pesticides (although I still opt for local over shipped produce as much as possible).


A lot of people think Whole Foods = organic, but that's not so at all.

Once upon a time I worked at a produce warehouse as a delivery driver and several of my stops were various Whole Foods locations in the area.  A whole lot of their produce is NOT organic.  If you want organic produce at WF, you really have to scrutinize the labeling just like you would at Wal-Mart.
 
2014-02-24 12:05:41 PM  
This article is spot on. Many folks love to think that anti-science is purely the realm of fundies and republicans, but the left is also chock full of it. Anti-vaxxers are primarily a left-wing phenomenon. The anti-e-cig movement is also. The "one cigarette can kill you" group is left-wing.
 
2014-02-24 12:06:42 PM  

mudmin: Whole Foods Paycheck has become America's Temple of Pseudoscience.

FTFY.

I don't condemn people for shopping there, but personally I think it's pretty crazy that someone will spend 3x-4x the cost of other places for products that they keep telling themselves are so much better.

Then again, I'm one of the cheapest people on earth.


You don't understand it because you think they are purchasing food with that money.

They aren't. They are purchasing the feeling of virtue, the feeling of moral superiority.

Considering how much real effort is normally required to be virtuous, those Whole Foods shoppers are getting a bargain.
 
2014-02-24 12:20:23 PM  

China White Tea: Eat all the gluten-free soy carboard you want, just shut the fark up about it.


IME the people biatching about the "gluten-free soy cardboard" crowd are far more vocal with their opinions.
 
2014-02-24 12:23:52 PM  

CoonAce: Nabb1: I don't want produced treated with pesticides (although I still opt for local over shipped produce as much as possible).

A lot of people think Whole Foods = organic, but that's not so at all.

Once upon a time I worked at a produce warehouse as a delivery driver and several of my stops were various Whole Foods locations in the area.  A whole lot of their produce is NOT organic.  If you want organic produce at WF, you really have to scrutinize the labeling just like you would at Wal-Mart.


They also make a big point (or at least my local does) about not buying irradiated food.  Enjoy your bacteria infested produce.
 
2014-02-24 12:28:39 PM  

doublesecretprobation: KarmicDisaster: Try to find some low carb stuff there, good luck.

last time i was at WF the produce department was jammed with low-carb stuff.


I can get veggies anywhere, and I do. I mean specific low carb products.
 
2014-02-24 12:30:20 PM  
Considering how much real effort is normally required to be virtuous, those Whole Foods shoppers are getting a bargain.

Brilliant assessment.  I totally get people wanting certain quality items.  People make fun of Ezekiel bread, but there probably is something to sprouted whole grains...and you're not getting that at Walmart.  I get that.

It's just the mentality that you're somehow a better person because you buy expensive food that I think is stupid.  Plus...as others have mentioned almost all grocery stores are putting in organic sections so you can buy smugness at a discount.
 
2014-02-24 12:38:25 PM  
I just diet to resemble what nature intended it to be.  Natural and and holistic, before corporations and science ruined everything.

..... while I take vitamin supplements where I ingest the Vitamin C equivalent of 1000 carrots in one siting.    Just like paleo man used to.    That's not articificial at all.     Look, at the supplement bottle ... the brand says "Nature's Way" right there on the label.
 
2014-02-24 12:48:58 PM  
Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap is really good on cilantro.
 
2014-02-24 12:59:49 PM  

stewbert: Anti-vaxxers are primarily a left-wing phenomenon. The anti-e-cig movement is also.


So which is Dr. Jenny McCarthy?  She's anti-vaxxer but pro-taking-her-freedom-back.

/people are only allowed to be one or the other dammit!
 
2014-02-24 01:06:38 PM  

InmanRoshi: I just diet to resemble what nature intended it to be.  Natural and and holistic, before corporations and science ruined everything.

..... while I take vitamin supplements where I ingest the Vitamin C equivalent of 1000 carrots in one siting.    Just like paleo man used to.    That's not articificial at all.     Look, at the supplement bottle ... the brand says "Nature's Way" right there on the label.


If I  point out that carrots are better known for their vitamin A content than their vitamin C, will I  get a thatisthejoke.jpg?
 
2014-02-24 01:13:17 PM  

KarmicDisaster: doublesecretprobation: KarmicDisaster: Try to find some low carb stuff there, good luck.

last time i was at WF the produce department was jammed with low-carb stuff.

I can get veggies anywhere, and I do. I mean specific low carb products.


The butcher case is full of specific low card products.
 
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