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(Salon)   The reason Americas are so unhealthy? Corporations like McDonald's. That's right; personal responsibility is like points in Whose Line is it Anyway: it's made up and doesn't matter   (salon.com) divider line 484
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2014-02-24 08:25:43 AM
What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?
 
2014-02-24 08:50:03 AM

rumpelstiltskin: Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


Because they aren't winners?
 
2014-02-24 08:52:33 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


And we're done here.
 
2014-02-24 08:58:23 AM
This headline is trying just a little too hard. It's almost like it's too aware of itself. It would have been better, I think, if it just ended after "corporations like McDonalds." Punchier, a little less preachy and melodramatic. But you felt the need to sermonize, huh subby? That's OK, I understand. Next time, if you feel the same urge, maybe just throw in a "personal responsibility surrenders" line or something like that. I'm sure that the "Whose Line Is It Anyway" analogy sounded clever in your head, but there's the thing: If it was a good one, you wouldn't have needed that last little bit at the end, explaining your point. OK? See, if you have to explain the comparison, it's a crappy comparison. If you use a crappy comparison in your headline, it's a crappy headline. Understand? You had something decent at the beginning here, that's what I'm saying. Just try to control yourself a little more next time.
 
2014-02-24 09:17:38 AM
Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).
 
2014-02-24 09:21:23 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


It might not hurt to actually teach a bit about marketing in our schools. When I was teaching, in English no less, I did a small course on marketing language. How language choice can influence, and how to influence opinion and choices through language. Watching high school kids realize that they were already familiar with these concepts because of the acculturation through their constant exposure to media, and realize that they were somewhat aware of these forces at an unconscious level was always rewarding, but it wasn't part of the regular curriculum. We do need to raise the bar a bit in education. And of course, add more bacon to everything apparently to make folks happy. Perhaps a nice plate of bacon* with every ad deconstructed. It would be the best class ever...

*Paid for by the Ad Council on Crispy Pork Goodness Delivered Daily--a subsidiary of Smithfield Foods
 
2014-02-24 09:24:01 AM
slayer199
Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

Exactly. Like how the SLA didn't make Patty Hearst rob banks.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-24 09:34:41 AM

slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.


No, it's more a matter of manipulation, beginning in childhood.

If those stupid children would only act like responsible adults and not be conditioned to think that fast "food" is real food, there wouldn't be a problem.
 
2014-02-24 10:03:30 AM
It doesn't help that our bodies are hard wired to crave fats, sugars and salts. Food companies know this- and take full advantage of it.

Our society values wealth over general welfare. Changing that would require a change in our society and ain't nobody got time for that.
 
2014-02-24 10:04:13 AM
Like how nobody forced the American people to support invading Iraq?
 
2014-02-24 10:13:58 AM
Thank God! I scored pretty low on personal responsibility
 
2014-02-24 10:14:10 AM

slayer199: Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.


But we pay billions of dollars to advertising companies to trick people into eating it.

//I'd be more inclined to buy into the stupid "free market, personal responsibility, do what you want" rhetoric if we didn't spend enormous amounts of time and effort in manipulating people to do things against their own interests.
 
2014-02-24 10:14:12 AM
No one forced those kids to get in the free candy van
 
2014-02-24 10:14:41 AM
Personal Responsibility is a modern concept.
Was not around in the 1700's.
That would be why you live in a Republic, not a Democracy.

If only they had envisioned the assent and bastardization of Corporate Responsibility.
 
2014-02-24 10:14:44 AM

slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).


Except when they do.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

/the more you know
 
2014-02-24 10:14:59 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


there are plenty of healthy alternatives. Diet coke, mcchicken, mc rib just to name a few . ..
 
2014-02-24 10:15:50 AM
If advertising and marketing don't do anything, then why do businesses spend many, many billions on it every year?

If it does work, then isn't there some built-in responsibility to that product?

That's not even getting into the food science that goes into highly-processed foods that specifically appeal to basic taste sensations to drive the customer to eat as much as possible, which is a deliberately-designed-in health hazard.  Yes, food processors put huge R&D money into every aspect of products like that to, surprise surprise, get you to consume as much as possible, not as much as is "labeled."

We as consumers have choices, and bear responsibility for those choices.  However, food manufacturers and marketers know quite well that their products are specifically formulated and sold to drive over-consumption and a litany of associated health problems.
 
2014-02-24 10:16:26 AM

RanDomino: slayer199
Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

Exactly. Like how the SLA didn't make Patty Hearst rob banks.


If she had a Service Level Agreement then she was contractually required to rob banks.  You don't mess with a SLA.  Symbionese or otherwise.

/Remember a guy in our class saying "According to this book, Patti Hearst is a sexual lesbian! A sexual lesbian!  Can you believe it?  What's a sexual lesbian?"
/well, I didn't know either but I knew to keep my mouth shut.
 
2014-02-24 10:16:38 AM

hubiestubert: rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?

It might not hurt to actually teach a bit about marketing in our schools. When I was teaching, in English no less, I did a small course on marketing language. How language choice can influence, and how to influence opinion and choices through language. Watching high school kids realize that they were already familiar with these concepts because of the acculturation through their constant exposure to media, and realize that they were somewhat aware of these forces at an unconscious level was always rewarding, but it wasn't part of the regular curriculum. We do need to raise the bar a bit in education. And of course, add more bacon to everything apparently to make folks happy. Perhaps a nice plate of bacon* with every ad deconstructed. It would be the best class ever...

*Paid for by the Ad Council on Crispy Pork Goodness Delivered Daily--a subsidiary of Smithfield Foods


"In almost every act of our lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons [...] who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world."

-Edward Bernays

/tbe guy who pretty much invented marketing
 
2014-02-24 10:16:44 AM
The reason Americas are so unhealthy?

Which America?  North, Central, or South?  I guess you are saying all three?
 
2014-02-24 10:16:56 AM

Nadie_AZ: It doesn't help that our bodies are hard wired to crave fats, sugars and salts. Food companies know this- and take full advantage of it.

Our society values wealth over general welfare. Changing that would require a change in our society and ain't nobody got time for that.


They don't just take full advantage. They spend a huge amount of time and money making foods which are as physically addictive as possible, ad campaigns designed to bypass any form of conscious resistance and at low prices artificially subsidized by paying their workers literal starvation wages.
 
2014-02-24 10:16:56 AM

Pocket Ninja: This headline is trying just a little too hard. It's almost like it's too aware of itself. It would have been better, I think, if it just ended after "corporations like McDonalds." Punchier, a little less preachy and melodramatic. But you felt the need to sermonize, huh subby? That's OK, I understand. Next time, if you feel the same urge, maybe just throw in a "personal responsibility surrenders" line or something like that. I'm sure that the "Whose Line Is It Anyway" analogy sounded clever in your head, but there's the thing: If it was a good one, you wouldn't have needed that last little bit at the end, explaining your point. OK? See, if you have to explain the comparison, it's a crappy comparison. If you use a crappy comparison in your headline, it's a crappy headline. Understand? You had something decent at the beginning here, that's what I'm saying. Just try to control yourself a little more next time.


But is it subby's fault that his headline was bad or should also hold the fark community responsible for it?
 
2014-02-24 10:17:52 AM

slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).


A Marco's pizza just opened up in our city.  I got a large meaty delight last night.  I'll be making my 3rd trip to the can after I'm done typing this.

/I sound fat
//I'm not
 
2014-02-24 10:17:54 AM

vpb: slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

No, it's more a matter of manipulation, beginning in childhood.

If those stupid children would only act like responsible adults and not be conditioned to think that fast "food" is real food, there wouldn't be a problem.


Parents and stuff.
 
2014-02-24 10:18:32 AM
And not everyone who eats fast food is unhealthy. But by all means, punish everyone because a few fatties out there can't control themselves.
 
2014-02-24 10:18:37 AM

RoyHobbs22: rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?

there are plenty of healthy alternatives. Diet coke, mcchicken, mc rib just to name a few . ..


You think Diet Coke, McChicken and McRib are "healthy" alternatives? I guess compared to deep fried bacon those things might be considered healthy.
 
2014-02-24 10:18:46 AM
Because marketing doesn't work, and consumers are informed, rational beings.

...

Does anyone actually believe this?
 
2014-02-24 10:18:53 AM

kbronsito: Pocket Ninja: This headline is trying just a little too hard. It's almost like it's too aware of itself. It would have been better, I think, if it just ended after "corporations like McDonalds." Punchier, a little less preachy and melodramatic. But you felt the need to sermonize, huh subby? That's OK, I understand. Next time, if you feel the same urge, maybe just throw in a "personal responsibility surrenders" line or something like that. I'm sure that the "Whose Line Is It Anyway" analogy sounded clever in your head, but there's the thing: If it was a good one, you wouldn't have needed that last little bit at the end, explaining your point. OK? See, if you have to explain the comparison, it's a crappy comparison. If you use a crappy comparison in your headline, it's a crappy headline. Understand? You had something decent at the beginning here, that's what I'm saying. Just try to control yourself a little more next time.

But is it subby's fault that his headline was bad or should also hold the fark community responsible for it?


Dunno about the community, per se, though we are all commenting on it so there's that, but the mods certainly deserve some of the blame for positively reinforcing sh*tty headlines like this.
 
2014-02-24 10:19:27 AM

kbronsito: But is it subby's fault that his headline was bad or should also hold the fark community responsible for it?


We certainly are rewarding the effort by giving it so much notice and feedback.
 
2014-02-24 10:20:32 AM

Rev.K: rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?

And we're done here.


Bootstraps are best served deep-fried, battered.
 
2014-02-24 10:20:52 AM

vpb: If those stupid children would only act like responsible adults and not be conditioned to think that fast "food" is real food, there wouldn't be a problem.


Or perhaps the parents should act like responsible adults and not poison their children with fast "food".
 
2014-02-24 10:21:17 AM

Lost Thought 00: No one forced those kids to get in the free candy van


If it's rockin', keep on walkin'?
 
2014-02-24 10:22:12 AM
McDonalds could offer real food, they do it in other countries that have higher standards than we do.
 
F42
2014-02-24 10:22:30 AM

RoyHobbs22: healthy alternatives. Diet coke


lol, no, not healthy, not even near healthy

not even for the purpose of losing weight
 
2014-02-24 10:24:09 AM
HotWingConspiracy


McDonalds could offer real food, they do it in other countries that have higher standards than we do.

When did we get standards?
 
2014-02-24 10:24:15 AM

HotWingConspiracy: McDonalds could offer real food, they do it in other countries that have higher standards than we do.


They offer healthier food no and again.  No one buys it.

No one wants it.

It's almost like people believe that a burger tastes better than a salad.
 
2014-02-24 10:24:25 AM

slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).


THIS!

Your body knows when you're farking with it and it will fark with you right back.
 
2014-02-24 10:24:36 AM
You need to be in your seat when dad comes home from work and mom has that healthy home cooked meal ready on the table at 5PM sharp.  You may do homework and play for another 3 or 4 hours before bedtime, then get a full night's sleep and be to school in time for some morning exercises at school.   What?  They don't do morning exercises because unions won't allow it? And mom and dad are stuck at work and you can't get home for dinner until about 7 because they're not in a union?  I knew it!  It wasn't the corporations making you fat.  It was the damn unions all along!  Get 'em!
 
2014-02-24 10:24:38 AM
Is there a facet of victimology that Fark doesn't vigorously embrace?
 
2014-02-24 10:24:51 AM

Onkel Buck: slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).

THIS!

Your body knows when you're farking with it and it will fark with you right back.


You guys sound old.
 
2014-02-24 10:25:34 AM

F42: RoyHobbs22: healthy alternatives. Diet coke

lol, no, not healthy, not even near healthy

not even for the purpose of losing weight


That would be the joke in Roy's post.  Does Poe's Law apply to marketing, too?

MilesTeg: And not everyone who eats fast food is unhealthy. But by all means, punish everyone because a few fatties out there can't control themselves.


Are we, all of us paying for the "cheapness" of sh*t food by way of public health burden whether we eat fast food or not?  Yes.  We've socialized the costs of it, just like many things while the profits remain private.
 
2014-02-24 10:25:41 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


It happens outside of fast food, too. Hell, I know a place that manipulates people to pay for a free message forum. Be on the lookout so you don't fall for that scam.
 
2014-02-24 10:26:10 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What about corporate responsibility, submitter? What about the idea that it's wrong to manipulate people into choosing unhealthy alternatives, just to make some money?
Why is responsibility only for the losers in our society?


Like a McDonald's hamburger, it's done in one.

/Gulp that is. Those burgers are tiny.
 
2014-02-24 10:26:33 AM

sendtodave: HotWingConspiracy: McDonalds could offer real food, they do it in other countries that have higher standards than we do.

They offer healthier food no and again.  No one buys it.

No one wants it.

It's almost like people believe that a burger tastes better than a salad.


That doesn't mean they can't increase the quality of the burger.
 
2014-02-24 10:26:59 AM
Personal responsibility is in fact made up and doesn't matter.
 
2014-02-24 10:27:14 AM

MilesTeg: And not everyone who eats fast food is unhealthy. But by all means, punish everyone because a few fatties out there can't control themselves.


A few? Have you looked around the US lately?
 
2014-02-24 10:27:28 AM

sendtodave: You guys sound old.


Enjoy the Run for the Border while you're young, son.  I did, myself.  The enjoyment is not possible for long!
 
2014-02-24 10:27:36 AM
Just like the reason I blew $1000 at the strip club this weekend is because of those evil owners forcing me to come in.

Vegas better look out, the personal responsibility deniers are coming.
 
2014-02-24 10:28:19 AM
The real problem is the cost of calories, unhealthy food like McDonalds is cheap and fast. Healthy  food cost 10X as much and is not as easly  accessable to many low income families. Add that to insane portions and  you get a nation of fatties.
 
2014-02-24 10:28:40 AM

nijika: slayer199: Fark off Salon.

Nobody makes anyone eat fast food.

P.S.  I had McDonald's last night for the first time in about a year...my digestive system is paying the price today and reminding me NOT to eat fast food (which I do about once a month at most).

Except when they do.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

/the more you know


Except when they don't

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/health/research/pairing-of-food-de se rts-and-obesity-challenged-in-studies.html?_r=0

/the more you know
 
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