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(Huffington Post)   Governors: Suck it up, biatches. Obamacare is here and you ain't getting rid of it   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-02-24 12:41:48 PM  
I've been trying to sign up for four weeks now. The credit rating agency (Experian) that they use to "confirm my identity" was unable to do so for some reason, and I had to send a photocopy of my driver's license to some office in Kentucky. I was told that I'd hear back -- by mail, not e-mail -- within two weeks. Like I said, that was four weeks ago. In a nutshell: I can't do anything until they confirm that I exist, and if I don't get signed up by the deadline, I'll get fined.

I've called the Marketplace on three occasions and been told that there's no way to check out my status. I just need to be patient, I'm told. I'm getting weekly e-mail reminders that the deadline is approaching.
 
2014-02-24 12:57:59 PM  
"I don't think that it's so deeply entrenched that it can't be repealed," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said. "But I do think, as we argue for repeal, we have to show folks what you replace it with."

thank god bobby won't be governor much longer. otoh if vitter gets in that's no improvement.

one thing we can be sure of bobby's national plans are toast.
 
2014-02-24 01:10:09 PM  

Danger Mouse: somedude210: SCUBA_Archer: If these governors don't want to follow the will of the populace, I guess we can find ones that do.  Funny how that works in a Democracy.

The majority of the populace likes Obamacare, so...who's getting rid of who now?

That's simply not true.  Without getting into a debate about the ACA, let's just state that the latest polls show the majority of americans still do not approve of Obamacare.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_hea l th_care_plan-1130.html


Why is it Republican positions only make sense when they are not based on facts?
 
2014-02-24 01:18:49 PM  

eraser8: Gary-L: You were saying (trolling)?

Okay.  So, you didn't even read your own links.  That's okay.

Your second link gives two interesting definitions:

Democracy:  a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.

Hmmm.  That seems familiar.  Let's scroll down...

Republic:  a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.

In the modern sense*, all republics are democracies...but, not all democracies are republics.  Examples of democracies that are not republics include the United Kindgdom, Canada, Australia and so forth.

* Before the modern era, the term republic referred only to the structure of government.



You're both wrong, not that you matter.
 
2014-02-24 01:19:58 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Of course it is. What will be amusing is how over the next 20 years or so, the Republicans reframe this so "Obamacare" was a disaster mitigated by careful and thoughtful Republican intervention, eventually becoming the "ACA" which everyone knows and loves.
OK, that itself might not be so funny; that's just politics as usual. What will be funny is how the American people actually believe it.


I see you've highlighted the Republican parties achilles heel. Their inability to adapt in the short or long run, despite clear and obvious defeat on an issue. If they haven't changed any tune on it by 2020, I suspect there won't be much left of todays Republican party. It'll further dissolve into small factions, just like the tea party.

As for American people believing it? I think you're overestimating the upcoming younger voting demographic, and the memory of the Internet. The Republican weakness, on almost every issue it proposes, is well documented and will not be going away. Ever! To be short, the Internet history machine is changing politics for the future. Democrats have realized this. Republicans are starting to, but see my achilles heel note above. The Republican party, collectively, has a learning disability.
 
2014-02-24 01:29:29 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Super_pope:   The reason the ACA is so demonized is simple.  Its components are INSANELY popular with all Americans

So INSANELY popular we need to punish those that don't participate?


That poster made the distinction that the individual mandate is the least popular aspect of the ACA. Other than the fact that it mandates a $50 billion tax to pay for abortions and homosex. A lot of right-wingers seem pretty ticked off about that.
 
2014-02-24 01:30:08 PM  
I'm upset with Obamacare because the mandatory abortion quota and the Sharia Law parts were stripped out in committee.
 
2014-02-24 01:41:09 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Super_pope:   The reason the ACA is so demonized is simple.  Its components are INSANELY popular with all Americans

So INSANELY popular we need to punish those that don't participate?


A meal made by a Michelin-star chef is INSANELY popular. The bill the restaurant owner gives you at the end of the meal...isn't.

Carrots are INSANELY popular; sticks aren't.

// welcome to human nature, watch out for confirmation bias
// and for the 98056948764876847651392758914761762895th time, the individual mandate is from a Heritage plan; without which the entire system is worthless
 
2014-02-24 02:29:06 PM  

markfara: I've been trying to sign up for four weeks now. The credit rating agency (Experian) that they use to "confirm my identity" was unable to do so for some reason, and I had to send a photocopy of my driver's license to some office in Kentucky. I was told that I'd hear back -- by mail, not e-mail -- within two weeks. Like I said, that was four weeks ago. In a nutshell: I can't do anything until they confirm that I exist, and if I don't get signed up by the deadline, I'll get fined.

I've called the Marketplace on three occasions and been told that there's no way to check out my status. I just need to be patient, I'm told. I'm getting weekly e-mail reminders that the deadline is approaching.


Go to the website, look up "local help". You should have better luck finding out what you need to do by talking to one of the navigators.
 
2014-02-24 02:52:13 PM  
1.) State Your Goal:            Insure the uninsured.
2.) Look At Your Result:      Uninsured the insured.

3.) Declare success

leftofthemark.com
 
2014-02-24 02:54:10 PM  

kidgenius: Nine Hundred and Eight: Arkanaut: SlothB77: Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.fark.net image 720x278]

i'm guessing this cartoonist has never seen this.

we are all going to pretend the menu labeling rule doesn't exist for this thread, right?

Weird that most of the author's complaints seem to revolve around regulations that haven't been created yet.  Also, there's this:

"For example, over 80 percent of McDonald's locations are owned and operated by franchisees. Each of these franchisees will now be tasked with complying with the mandate-paying for new signage, removing profit-generating advertisements to make room for the calorie data, updating menus every time recipies change, and accommodating inspectors. "

This is an interesting complaint, because these are all things that franchisees already have to do.  Plus, what "profit-generating advertisements" are there that fit in the tiny spaces that the calorie data are relegated to?

Not to mention they already do this in New York... where shockingly fast food places exist and have no problems doing any of that.

The big complaint is that there are "dozens, hundreds, thousands" of configurations for burritos, pizzas, and sandwhiches.

They seem to either be ignorant, or just flat out ignore, that Dominos (as an example) breaks down each ingredient and the calories. Then, you use math to figure out how many calories are in a serving. Chipotle does the same thing. Giving you the fat/calories per ingredient, and then you just add it up.


In New York chain restaurants I just see a range of calories -- so the text next to a burger would say (for example) 900-1200 cal., depending on what's in it, and maybe 1300-1800 cal. for the combo.  (I for one have been influenced by the signage -- I get fries a lot less often now.)

Oh, and back to the changing menus / signage thing - this thread just reminded me that some restaurants change signage twice a day, to accommodate changes between the breakfast and lunch menus.  So having to change menus adds no operational costs to the restaurant's budget.
 
2014-02-24 03:39:51 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: 2.) Look At Your Result:      Uninsured the insured.



never before has a "citation needed" been more apt.
 
2014-02-24 03:43:03 PM  

KeatingFive: Danger Mouse: somedude210: SCUBA_Archer: If these governors don't want to follow the will of the populace, I guess we can find ones that do.  Funny how that works in a Democracy.

The majority of the populace likes Obamacare, so...who's getting rid of who now?

That's simply not true.  Without getting into a debate about the ACA, let's just state that the latest polls show the majority of americans still do not approve of Obamacare.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_hea l th_care_plan-1130.html

Why is it Republican positions only make sense when they are not based on facts?


Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
 
2014-02-24 04:04:49 PM  
Hey, it may be unsustainable, but at least it's here to stay.
 
2014-02-24 04:08:40 PM  
The explosive politics of health care have divided the nation, but America's governors, Republicans and Democrats alike, suggest that President Barack Obama's health care overhaul is here to stay.

Seeing as how huge chunks of it are delayed, deferred, waived, and warped into unrecognizability, what parts of "Obamacare" are you referring to? And anyway, since Obama has shown that Obamacare is infinitely malleable on presidential whim, the next Republican in the Oval Office can just sign another executive order that nulllifies the entire thing by delaying all its provisions until the end of time, regardless of Congress, so I wouldn't be so sure about its "here-to-stay"ness.
 
2014-02-24 04:36:11 PM  

jigger: Hey, it may be unsustainable, but at least it's here to stay.


Unsustainable according to whom sweetheart?
 
2014-02-24 05:42:22 PM  

ScaryBottles: jigger: Hey, it may be unsustainable, but at least it's here to stay.

Unsustainable according to whom sweetheart?


According to one of the governors in the story, honeybuns.
 
2014-02-24 05:56:06 PM  

jigger: ScaryBottles: jigger: Hey, it may be unsustainable, but at least it's here to stay.

Unsustainable according to whom sweetheart?

According to one of the governors in the story, honeybuns.


Too bad hes wrong buttmuff
 
2014-02-24 06:41:57 PM  

jigger: ScaryBottles: jigger: Hey, it may be unsustainable, but at least it's here to stay.

Unsustainable according to whom sweetheart?

According to one of the governorssemi-literate  teabagging sisterfarkers in the story, honeybunsI've got shiat make me look dumb!


Well if you insist....

Lets start with something simple.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Sorry I don't have a pre-emptive butthurt form on hand, this was the best I could come up with on short notice. So I'm afraid we'll have to improvise a little. Now if I can get you to fill this out real quick before we get started, you know for safety reasons.
 
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