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(The New York Times)   Defense Secretary Hagel plans to shrink Army to Pre-WWII level. But wait, there's more. A-10, buh-bye. Hello F-35. U-2, buh-bye. Hello Global Hawks   (nytimes.com) divider line 37
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2014-02-24 07:34:15 AM
9 votes:

Pick: Bring back the B-52's, I say!!!!


It's as big as a whale!
2014-02-24 07:16:03 AM
5 votes:

whistleridge: and viola! It stays


???

donrathjr.com
2014-02-24 08:58:32 AM
4 votes:

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: Hobodeluxe: it's a good start. let's take that money and use it to fix our crumbling infrastructure and change our energy to renewable sources.

And then have Russia, or heck, Mexico/Canada waltz in and take it all over. Smart. Figure you will have gotten rid of all our guns by then too.

What's it like being a sentient parody of the 50's?

Pretty cool, since I actually work and take some pride in my country. Might want to try it.


I do, that's why you're such an embarrassment. You know I have to actually explain why people like you exist when I travel? It's farking tedious.

 Change out of your PJs and put the hot chocolate down, go to work.

Yes, clearly the adults in the room need to speculate about being invaded by Canada because we're discontinuing some aircraft. That's a very important adult conversation.
2014-02-24 07:32:27 AM
4 votes:
YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
2014-02-24 07:24:22 AM
4 votes:
Frakking Brilliant!  Because we'd never need to grow the Army again within a few years of declaring a "peace dividend".  This is not a repeat from 1939, 1950, 1963, 1981, 1991, 1999, 2001....

And God knows the only thing the Army is good for is breaking things and killing people.  Just ignore all the MEDCAP, humanitarian assistance, security assistance,  nation building in Latin America, military to military contacts, disaster relief....

 I do so look forward to the drama and outrage when Congress or the President says "Heyworth Army, could you just-"  "No can."  "What have we been budgeting?"  "Not enough to roll out of the base gates."  "WARRGGLLLEBARRGLE!"

I get it, we go to war with the Army we have, not the Army we'd like to have.  But why not have the Army we'd like to have on no notice?
2014-02-24 08:57:35 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: Hobodeluxe: it's a good start. let's take that money and use it to fix our crumbling infrastructure and change our energy to renewable sources.

And then have Russia, or heck, Mexico/Canada waltz in and take it all over. Smart. Figure you will have gotten rid of all our guns by then too.

What's it like being a sentient parody of the 50's?

Pretty cool, since I actually work and take some pride in my country. Might want to try it. Change out of your PJs and put the hot chocolate down, go to work.


I got news for you buddy. most people work and love their country here too. they just don't lie awake at night with Red Dawn running on a loop in their head.
2014-02-24 08:26:21 AM
3 votes:
I'm sure the AF won't mind as long as they keep control of the Stargate.
2014-02-24 04:25:55 PM
2 votes:

SpectroBoy: Thunderpipes: What I don't understand is -- liberals want government to spend money, supposedly that creates jobs. They want government to run everything.

Or at least that's what you imagine all "libs" think.


You can't spell Thunderpipes without derp.
2014-02-24 09:04:53 AM
2 votes:
My next pet is going to be named Peave.
2014-02-24 08:50:16 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Hobodeluxe: it's a good start. let's take that money and use it to fix our crumbling infrastructure and change our energy to renewable sources.

And then have Russia, or heck, Mexico/Canada waltz in and take it all over. Smart. Figure you will have gotten rid of all our guns by then too.


What's it like being a sentient parody of the 50's?
2014-02-24 08:43:38 AM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: How much medical assistance do we deliver via A-10s and U2s?


Pretty sure U2 performed at Live Aid.
2014-02-24 08:40:12 AM
2 votes:

Laobaojun: Dept of State gutted themselves by not wanting to get their soft, delicate, little, PhD holding hands dirty for those people in third world countries. The military has the man-power, the competence, and the tolerance for people not wearing three-piece suits that is required for the heavy lifting of all that warm and fuzzy stuff that State wants to see happen. but won't actually lift heavy things to make happen.


How much gay porn do you have, exactly?
2014-02-24 07:25:27 AM
2 votes:
I heard this and Cuomo's multi-billion dollar pre-K education plan on NPR this morning. My first thought was "what country did I get teleported into while I slept?" Seriously, this is good news all around.
2014-02-24 02:43:11 AM
2 votes:
When your local economy is nothing more than a parasite on the national economy, you deserve to be reduced to a ghost town.

I'm looking at you, Huntsville.
2014-02-24 06:35:31 PM
1 votes:

MrSteve007: Thunderpipes: It is. This forum is a perfect example. Every time the Messiah comes up with new government spending, you guys orgasm.... unless it gives money to the military, then it is bad. More Obamacare! More stimulus! More food stamps! More unemployment! Mandatory wages! Yay!!! Military pay? No!

When you look at US discretionary budget, military + veterans' benefits account for nearly 2/3rds of the US budget.

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Now I fully believe we should do more to support our current and future veterans, but the reality of the situation is that we've entered a period of stable peace. We have no major nation enemies and currently spend more on defense than the next top 10 nation's combined. We are absolutely, unequivocally the world's sole military super power and have more nuclear defense capabilities than any other nation. For the past decade, the only worry we have to national security is illegal immigration and a handful Muslim terrorists (who are now mostly dead, via drone attacks).

We're more than capable of cutting our military budget in half and balance our national budget overnight. Remember when conservatives were for balancing the budget?


I like how you only choose "discretionary" spending. Because protecting the country and the world is discretionary, but hot chocolate for liberal kids in PJs is mandatory.

Typical libtard.
2014-02-24 05:21:10 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: SpectroBoy: Thunderpipes: What I don't understand is -- liberals want government to spend money, supposedly that creates jobs. They want government to run everything.

Or at least that's what you imagine all "libs" think.

It is. This forum is a perfect example. Every time the Messiah comes up with new government spending, you guys orgasm.... unless it gives money to the military, then it is bad. More Obamacare! More stimulus! More food stamps! More unemployment! Mandatory wages! Yay!!! Military pay? No!


You're apparently a caricature who only sees caricatures around him. You're the kind of person us reasonable and grounded people are constantly apologizing for. Congrats.
2014-02-24 02:05:26 PM
1 votes:

gja: obamadidcoke: gja: obamadidcoke: Let's cut it down to pre-ww1 levels.

The next time we have a war all we have to do is put a few buses at malls, nascar races, and Toby Keith concerts and anyone who supports the war can just get on the bus. We can take them down to the local MEPS and give them a physical. If they pass we send them to war of they don't we take 75% of their salary to fund the war.

Cute. How about fark you? At 52 I could pass it easily, but I know perfectly well they would pat me on the head and say "go easy gramps".

So, you would go?

I think that we should send people exactly like you. You have the wisdom and experience to fight a "smart war." You have lived and probably contributed to society, you have had the opportunity to have a family and a career. You have also been the recipient of the benefits of our society, so why shouldn't you fight.

And if the unthinkable happened your sacrifice would not only bring glory to your family and nation but it would save save society the cost of caring for you in your decline.

So think about it.

I would gladly go again. I have, however, no delusions they would say "welcome aboard". Not at this age.
And o suggest my earning be redirected as a consequence of not being taken is asinine.

As  far as 'glory' I know you are in jest. War brings no man glory. In war there is no glory and no winners. Only those who survive.
"Death be not proud" young fella. Whatsoever a man does in death, was better he lived and did many times over in life.


As a veteran I no longer support this country's military industrial complex. I do not want to see another person die in these futile dick measuring contests and I do not want to pay for more needless death and suffering.

I am only extending the idea of the volunteer army to it's logical conclusion. Take the power out of the hands of politicians and put it in the hands of the people. This way if the war is really something that we as a nation want it will be adequately funded and staffed, if not then no war.
2014-02-24 01:40:46 PM
1 votes:

gja: obamadidcoke: Let's cut it down to pre-ww1 levels.

The next time we have a war all we have to do is put a few buses at malls, nascar races, and Toby Keith concerts and anyone who supports the war can just get on the bus. We can take them down to the local MEPS and give them a physical. If they pass we send them to war of they don't we take 75% of their salary to fund the war.

Cute. How about fark you? At 52 I could pass it easily, but I know perfectly well they would pat me on the head and say "go easy gramps".


So, you would go?

I think that we should send people exactly like you. You have the wisdom and experience to fight a "smart war." You have lived and probably contributed to society, you have had the opportunity to have a family and a career. You have also been the recipient of the benefits of our society, so why shouldn't you fight.

And if the unthinkable happened your sacrifice would not only bring glory to your family and nation but it would save save society the cost of caring for you in your decline.

So think about it.
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-24 01:23:45 PM
1 votes:

obamadidcoke: Let's cut it down to pre-ww1 levels.

The next time we have a war all we have to do is put a few buses at malls, nascar races, and Toby Keith concerts and anyone who supports the war can just get on the bus. We can take them down to the local MEPS and give them a physical. If they pass we send them to war of they don't we take 75% of their salary to fund the war.


Cute. How about fark you? At 52 I could pass it easily, but I know perfectly well they would pat me on the head and say "go easy gramps".
2014-02-24 01:20:26 PM
1 votes:
Let's cut it down to pre-ww1 levels.

The next time we have a war all we have to do is put a few buses at malls, nascar races, and Toby Keith concerts and anyone who supports the war can just get on the bus. We can take them down to the local MEPS and give them a physical. If they pass we send them to war of they don't we take 75% of their salary to fund the war.
2014-02-24 12:51:32 PM
1 votes:
Pretty excited, since this means my taxes are going to go down.
2014-02-24 11:14:05 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: Hobodeluxe: it's a good start. let's take that money and use it to fix our crumbling infrastructure and change our energy to renewable sources.

And then have Russia, or heck, Mexico/Canada waltz in and take it all over. Smart. Figure you will have gotten rid of all our guns by then too.

What's it like being a sentient parody of the 50's?

Pretty cool, since I actually work and take some pride in my country. Might want to try it. Change out of your PJs and put the hot chocolate down, go to work.



So you equate having a job with living in pants-wetting fear of an invasion by Mexico or Canada?

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2014-02-24 09:47:25 AM
1 votes:

cgraves67: We don't need a fast, stealthy fighter with a few missiles in a role that demands a bullet-proof bomb truck with a big-ass gun in the nose.


It would be even more intimidating with a big ass-gun in the nose.
2014-02-24 09:26:17 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: liam76: The A-10 is better at CAS then the F-35, but the Apache, Cobra and Kiowa are better than the A-10.

All of them (and predators) are capable of taking out tanks from futher away than the A-10 with it's 30mm however the A-10 is in better shape if they have air superiority and the tanks are in columns (not soemthing we are really worried about).

Misconduc: the Global Hawk and others that are large enough to carry a variety of weapons

The global hawk can't carry weapons.

A-10 can carry missiles too you know. Loiter time, survivability is also huge.


Is that what is keeping expansionist Canada at bay?
2014-02-24 09:17:53 AM
1 votes:
I would think that the gun nuts would want reduced military. Just the outside chance of beind invaded should keep them hard nonstop. Then they could actually have someone to use their guns on.
2014-02-24 09:04:42 AM
1 votes:

RoxtarRyan: Hobodeluxe: Arkanaut: Pick: Bring back the B-52's, I say!!!!

Bring back? Did they ever leave?

yeah they went to the love shack for a bit.

You may have heard of it. It's a little old place where they can get together.


yeah, but the tin roof is rusted.
2014-02-24 08:46:22 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Arkanaut: Pick: Bring back the B-52's, I say!!!!

Bring back? Did they ever leave?

yeah they went to the love shack for a bit.


You may have heard of it. It's a little old place where they can get together.
2014-02-24 08:44:21 AM
1 votes:

Arkanaut: Pick: Bring back the B-52's, I say!!!!

Bring back? Did they ever leave?


yeah they went to the love shack for a bit.
2014-02-24 08:27:03 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Laobaojun: Frakking Brilliant!  Because we'd never need to grow the Army again within a few years of declaring a "peace dividend".  This is not a repeat from 1939, 1950, 1963, 1981, 1991, 1999, 2001....

A lot of these wars were completely elective and had little to do with national defense. We could pick our fights better and have gobs of money.


Whatever.
Democratically elected leaders, the President and Congress, sent the Army off to do bad things to bad people.  You did not like some of the politicians and some of the operations.
Noted.
Because God knows, that is a good reason to be incapable of a future combat operation you might approve of.

Let's just ignore hurricane relief, tsunami relief, famine relief, UN peacekeeping, medical assistance, de-mining, immunization programs, construction projects, the diplomatic value of military training, assistance, military-to-military contacts, and a bunch of other stuff no one cares about.  Or at least no one cares until the military says, "Nope, no can do.  We are not manned, trained, or equipped for that since the money went away.  Because medical assistance, infrastructure development, and humanitarian assistance for third world countries is for losers anyways.
2014-02-24 08:01:29 AM
1 votes:

antron: whistleridge: and viola! It stays

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I think he meant "walla!".

/pet peave
2014-02-24 07:53:48 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: The euphemism I like for an attractive ugly girl is "peasant beauty".


I'm adding that to my repertoire.  Thanks!
2014-02-24 07:50:18 AM
1 votes:
The Air Force has always hated the A-10.  It's unglamorous and isn't a sleek fighter jet.  But it is un-paralled in its role.  They've tried to kill it for thirty years.

Fark the F-35.  I say that as an ex-AF man who loves fighter jets.  Fark that boondoggle.  Keep researching fighter jets that's fine, but don't produce any when the F-16 and Super Hornet are still more than capable.
2014-02-24 07:48:38 AM
1 votes:

rolladuck: The A-10 is simply resilient.
And it's sexy.  But I like ugly sexy, so there's that.


The euphemism I like for an attractive ugly girl is "peasant beauty".
2014-02-24 07:40:18 AM
1 votes:

slayer199: Getting rid of the A-10 is a huge mistake.  There's nothing else like it for CAS.


This.

I've seen it and the B-1 in action.  Both of those "old" airframes are far superior to anything that our two "modern" aircraft can achieve, and do it far more economically.
And achievement is a lot more than just being sexy at the air show.
You've got to be able to do it over, and over, and over, and not be crippled by some bug in software.
The A-10 is simply resilient.
And it's sexy.  But I like ugly sexy, so there's that.
2014-02-24 07:25:28 AM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: I'm OK with this.


I'm certainly OK with replacing manned U-2's with unmanned (but remotely piloted) Global Hawks.

The A-10's?  Well, *THAT* I think might be a mistake.  Maybe there is room to upgrade it, start cranking out new ones with upgraydded avionics and targeting systems, but the basic airframe itself can't be beat for what its job is:  Close Air Support.

The F-35 is just too slick (ie., fast) for the kind of "low and slow" CAS that ground forces need.
2014-02-24 07:04:06 AM
1 votes:
FTFA:  "In addition, the budget proposal calls for retiring the famed U-2 spy plane in favor of the remotely piloted Global Hawk."

This is very shortsighted. It goes to show if you have you hands in the pants of those in the capitol (I'm looking at you Northrop Grumman), your less capable and unreliable aircraft will make it through downsizing.
2014-02-24 01:39:24 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: some members of Congress, given advance notice of plans to retire air wings, have vowed legislative action to block the move

10 to1 that those are the same asshats pushing for austerity, deficit reduction,"fiscal responsibility", and "small government".
 
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