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2014-02-24 07:35:01 AM

TerminalEchoes: Why is this even America's problem? Let Europe sort it out for once.


This.  Another land war in Asia would be GREAT for my portfolio.  Not so good for the country, though...
 
2014-02-24 07:35:55 AM

TerminalEchoes: Why is this even America's problem? Let Europe sort it out for once.


trilateral statement January 14, 1994

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

United States-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership

START treaty

In short, after the fall of the wall Ukraine agreed to surrender its nuclear arsenal for dismantlement, and sign the non-proliferation treaty as a non-nuclear state.  In exchange for this, a coalition of the US, UK, and Russia would promise not to violate the sovereignty of, invade, or economically coerce Ukraine, and to protect them from these threats.

/And there are probably other defense agreements between the US and Ukraine that I'm not aware of
//They've also been a candidate for admission to NATO for some time now, and likely will be again now that Yanukovych is gone
 
2014-02-24 07:46:18 AM

OhioUGrad: *yawn* who cares about all this, can't we get some more info about Yevgenia Tymoshenko?

/maybe I'm jaded, but seriously someone is freaking out every other week about some other country


img.rasset.ie

I hope she's ok. Might be worth risking the danger of the war zone to give her a thorough examination to make sure.
 
2014-02-24 07:47:06 AM

insertsnarkyusername: I want see Condi and Susan Rice wrestle in jello for some odd reason.


I'd like to see them wrestle..In rice..WHITE rice...
 
2014-02-24 07:48:20 AM

spamdog: I know that Russian-Georgian war was only in 2008, but from what I'm reading on wikipedia, the Georgian government did strike first, prompting the Russian response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war

I know from all the Tom Clancy books I've read that the Russians are bad and all, but would they really try to intervene in Ukraine without a half-decent excuse?


Depends on your definition of "striking first."  South Ossetia and Abkhazia* were Georgian states in all-but open revolt.

Long before the 2008 "war" the local Ossetians were given Russian citizenship en masse for being "ethnically Russian" (basically a made-up reason).  This was a diplomatic excuse for Russia to roll tanks and fighters and intelligence operatives into South Ossetia and immediately start protecting and assisting the Ossetians in their many raids and terrorist attacks against targets inside of the main Georgian state.  Every time police or Georgian military tried to catch the guerillas from Ossetia, the Ossetians would run and hide behind the Russians.

Finally, Georgian leadership was desperate enough and doing badly enough in the polls (because of this) that they said, "fark it, roll in, maybe Russia will back off or at least the world will notice our country has been occupied by a foreign army."  The rest you already know.  Georgia got stomped, NATO hemmed and hawed, and the local Ossetians murdered every Georgian they could get their hands on.  But it's cool because maybe some of them were oppressed by Georgians previously so Russia was totally okay when they rolled in and slaughtered innocents and looted and pillaged.

Now there was no clear "good" solution, Georgia's a shiathole full of white people being racist against other white people.  I don't know how that works since we all look the same, but whatever.  But Putin still pulled an Iraq.

*Just going to refer to the Ossetians for brevity
 
2014-02-24 07:58:01 AM

TheBigJerk: Now there was no clear "good" solution, Georgia's a shiathole full of white people being racist against other white people. I don't know how that works since we all look the same, but whatever. But Putin still pulled an Iraq.


Sneaky Russians! Good summary, thanks. Sounds like there could be legitimate cause for alarm.
 
2014-02-24 07:58:22 AM

Daedalus27: I really don't see Russia moving in.  If Putin wanted to do so, he would have used an invitation by the now deposed leader to assist in putting down a terrorist uprising in Kiev and elsewhere last week while the Olympics were still keeping the world distracted.


Yannie probably wouldn't have done so.  The man is Russia's proxy the same way Ted Haggard is a homosexual.  He surely loves the cock, but he spends an inordinate amount of time and effort denying it.
 
2014-02-24 07:59:46 AM

mike_d85: That "article" has 15 sentences and 25 pictures. The captions were repeating the sentences from the article.

/WTF am I reading?


your first time reading a daily mail article?
 
2014-02-24 08:10:45 AM

spamdog: TheBigJerk: Now there was no clear "good" solution, Georgia's a shiathole full of white people being racist against other white people. I don't know how that works since we all look the same, but whatever. But Putin still pulled an Iraq.

Sneaky Russians! Good summary, thanks. Sounds like there could be legitimate cause for alarm.


Could be, but they didn't lay those kinds of foundations here.  I think Russia will just play it like they did during the Orange Revolution, let the fires die down and then start making devil's deals to the next major player.

Because as I have heard it, Ukraine is mostly rival squabbling tribes, and while a 60-70% majority will vote AGAINST someone like Viktor Y. they will not unite their vote FOR any of the OTHER motherfarkers running.  Basically like our Congress' 10% approval rating, "Congress is corrupt and terrible, except for my guy/gal.  My congresscritter is cool and my earmarks are deserved."

But something something vigilance something price of freedom.  Russia is happy to go imperial all over anything left unattended.
 
2014-02-24 08:15:38 AM

Mentat: Hide under your desks.  This will also protect you against lava.


They were called "tornado drills" when I was in elementary school (early '90's).

/Florida
 
2014-02-24 08:18:39 AM
FTFA: "Opposition politician captured kissing daughter Yevgenia upon her arrival to Kiev's iconic Independence Square."
Did no one else notice this hot bit of incest action?
 
2014-02-24 08:20:37 AM
So those Ukrainians who have Russian backgrounds, and speak Russian. Do they really see themselves as Russian in any way? Or are they full on 100% committed to being Ukrainian? Do the pro-Euro Ukrainians have any similar divisions?
 
2014-02-24 08:36:14 AM
Lovely. We threaten Russia the same day that the Defense Dept. announces huge cuts.
 
2014-02-24 08:41:23 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Lovely. We threaten Russia the same day that the Defense Dept. announces huge cuts.


Oh no! Now we can only beat Russia 4x instead of 6x.
 
2014-02-24 08:46:18 AM

Mr. Shabooboo: insertsnarkyusername: I want see Condi and Susan Rice wrestle in jello for some odd reason.

I'd like to see them wrestle..In rice..WHITE rice...


Dry or cooked?
 
2014-02-24 08:47:00 AM
I was a kid in a Florida elementary school during the Cuban Missile Crisis.  In addition to the duck and cover drills, we were instructed not to look at the flash from the nuclear blast.  Avert our gaze or close our eyes to preserve our vision, so we could watch what happened next (however briefly), I suppose.

When people started digging up their backyards for shelters (like survivalists still do), my old man scoffed and said if the nukes started flying, he wanted to be at ground zero for the first strike.
 
2014-02-24 08:49:27 AM
Putin had to wait until the Olympics were over.

Now we'll see if the tanks roll or not.
 
2014-02-24 08:51:48 AM

mraudacia: *grabs pop corn*

last six months worth of events, makes the Cuban missile crisis look like a cake walk...


Were you alive during the Cuban Missile Crisis?  I was, but, I don't think you were. Do a little more reading on the subject. We haven't got to the Soviet/US navies facing off part yet.  We haven't got to the US ground forces beginning to mobilize part yet. We have got to the US Air Force patrolling hostile air space yet.  You really don't know what you're talking about.
 
2014-02-24 08:57:12 AM
Putin will do whatever he wants and Obama will do nothing.
Putin knows this.
 
2014-02-24 08:59:46 AM

Jyster: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
/got nothin'


Yep. Wouldn't want to be caught snacking during armageddon.
Then there's the "Never Look at the Nuclear Blast."
Because you certainly wouldn't want to go through the slow post-apocalyptic death spiral with fried retinas.
 
2014-02-24 08:59:46 AM

TheBigJerk: Could be, but they didn't lay those kinds of foundations here.  I think Russia will just play it like they did during the Orange Revolution, let the fires die down and then start making devil's deals to the next major player.


And why shouldn't they? Russian culture - and Putin in particular - values pragmatic assessment over emotional response, in a way that's foreign to Western folks. Ukraine's a breadbasket, and as long as deals are mutually beneficial, they will continue to occur.
 
2014-02-24 09:01:57 AM

PunGent: TerminalEchoes: Why is this even America's problem? Let Europe sort it out for once.

This.  Another land war in Asia would be GREAT for my portfolio.  Not so good for the country, though...


You know everything West of the Urals is still considered Europe, don't you?  Obviously, not.
 
2014-02-24 09:11:49 AM
Simmer down, trouble-britches. If it can't be fixed with drones or a SEAL team, Obama will just send a strongly worded letter.  Obama's not a wartime consigliere.
 
2014-02-24 09:12:00 AM

Jyster: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
/got nothin'


"Food is not permitted to be eaten..."  Passive-agressive sentence structure detected.
 
2014-02-24 09:17:37 AM
When St. Reagan was president, he settled all this nonsense by sending Rocky over there to fight Ivan Drago.  Obama is grossly underutilizing our Stallone-based diplomatic options.
 
2014-02-24 09:21:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Putin will do whatever he wants and Obama will do nothing.
Putin knows this.


Well it's a good thing that there are no other interests involved in this mess then.  Like the Poles and the Romanians and the Germans, for example.
 
2014-02-24 09:29:05 AM

imontheinternet: When St. Reagan was president, he settled all this nonsense by sending Rocky over there to fight Ivan Drago.  Obama is grossly underutilizing our Stallone-based diplomatic options.


Sending a guy who uses a walker is not that intimidating.
 
2014-02-24 09:32:43 AM

DanInKansas: Simmer down, trouble-britches. If it can't be fixed with drones or a SEAL team, Obama will just send a strongly worded letter.  Obama's not a wartime consigliere.


You forgot Obama's stern look  It's equivalent to sending the 82nd Airborne to the trouble area.  Putin would rather wrestle two bears at the same time, than get the look.
 
2014-02-24 09:39:31 AM
A strongly worded letter and a line in the sand that keeps moving will put the fear into the Ruskies.  Make sure to use a few more exclamation points to Oobama!!!!!
 
2014-02-24 09:41:17 AM

zimbomba63: DanInKansas: Simmer down, trouble-britches. If it can't be fixed with drones or a SEAL team, Obama will just send a strongly worded letter.  Obama's not a wartime consigliere.

You forgot Obama's stern look  It's equivalent to sending the 82nd Airborne to the trouble area.  Putin would rather wrestle two bears at the same time, than get the look.


It's almost as if we prematurely shot our military wad during the previous administration.
 
2014-02-24 09:45:40 AM

OhioUGrad: *yawn* who cares about all this, can't we get some more info about Yevgenia Tymoshenko?

/maybe I'm jaded, but seriously someone is freaking out every other week about some other country


I'd rather have more info about her daughter:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-24 09:45:46 AM

Mean Daddy: A strongly worded letter and a line in the sand that keeps moving will put the fear into the Ruskies.  Make sure to use a few more exclamation points to Oobama!!!!!


What should Obama do?
 
2014-02-24 09:48:03 AM

Mean Daddy: A strongly worded letter and a line in the sand that keeps moving will put the fear into the Ruskies.  Make sure to use a few more exclamation points to Oobama!!!!!


I wonder if the State Department would let him use all capital letters in the message, because that would show that he really means it, this time.  Plus, a really big stick for the line in the sand drawing, like a broom handle.
 
2014-02-24 09:49:11 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: OhioUGrad: *yawn* who cares about all this, can't we get some more info about Yevgenia Tymoshenko?

/maybe I'm jaded, but seriously someone is freaking out every other week about some other country

I'd rather have more info about her daughter:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 451x463]


Slightly lazy eye == Evil. Pure evil.

/in the sack
 
2014-02-24 09:49:13 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Lovely. We threaten Russia the same day that the Defense Dept. announces huge cuts.


Defense cuts totally happen immediately. We probably sent like 5 generals home and just shut a Carrier Air Group off like a Blockbuster.
 
2014-02-24 09:51:41 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Is that a pellet gun?
 
2014-02-24 09:52:27 AM
There is no world event that happens that doesn't end with a large portion of Fark fretting loudly and stupidly that this is the end.
 
2014-02-24 09:57:55 AM

amindtat: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x577]

Is that a pellet gun?


Either that or a .22 but I think I've seen pellet guns like that.

It'll kill a chipmunk but not a squirrel.
 
2014-02-24 10:01:21 AM

BSABSVR: There is no world event that happens that doesn't end with a large portion of Fark fretting loudly and stupidly that this is the end.


I can see them now, hopping around Ed Grimley-style, "I just know there's going to be a nuclear war and I didn't bring my galoshes, like mother told me!"
 
2014-02-24 10:08:01 AM
WE ARE THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, SHEEPLE!! WAKE UP!
 
2014-02-24 10:18:58 AM

Mentat: Hide under your desks.  This will also protect you against lava.


This is why we have a generation of pants-wetting Republicans today who can't go out of the house unless they're armed to the teeth.
 
2014-02-24 10:28:37 AM

Daedalus27: I really don't see Russia moving in.  If Putin wanted to do so, he would have used an invitation by the now deposed leader to assist in putting down a terrorist uprising in Kiev and elsewhere last week while the Olympics were still keeping the world distracted.  Putin is just going to use the economic tools at his disposal to put the screws to the Ukraine and hopefully have the new leadership come begging for relief.  Russia is the Ukraine's biggest trading partner and energy supplier and Ukraine can't last long without Russian subsidies and trade.

The EU is in no condition to offer the generous subsidies Russia was providing or inclined to offer much assistance to another troubled country on the perimeter of the EU when they still have Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain, Italy, and others in economic trouble with debt and employment issues. When aid fails to materialize and Russia offers to reinstate some assistance for some considerations to Russian leaning areas, this new Ukraine government might start drifting back into Russia's sphere of influence.  After all, Russia doesn't care who is running things as long as they don't stray to far from Russia's sphere.  This unrest was less about Russia and the EU and more about a corrupt leader overreaching and trying to secure power that was slipping away.


Yep, this.
 
2014-02-24 10:31:44 AM

illannoyin: OhioUGrad: *yawn* who cares about all this, can't we get some more info about Yevgenia Tymoshenko?

/maybe I'm jaded, but seriously someone is freaking out every other week about some other country

[img.rasset.ie image 300x168]

I hope she's ok. Might be worth risking the danger of the war zone to give her a thorough examination to make sure.


is that the daughter from the pictures?
 
2014-02-24 10:34:14 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: OhioUGrad: *yawn* who cares about all this, can't we get some more info about Yevgenia Tymoshenko?

/maybe I'm jaded, but seriously someone is freaking out every other week about some other country

I'd rather have more info about her daughter:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 451x463]


I was just going off of the caption on one of the pictures and I was under the impression that the name I posted was the name of the daughter (altough she has brown hair in the photos)
 
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2014-02-24 10:38:20 AM
There would have been a lot fewer injured russians if they'd ducked and covered when they saw that meteor's bright flash last year. Shockwave blew up the windows. Duck, and cover. "Attaboy, Tony!"
 
2014-02-24 11:23:02 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

It Moved.
 
2014-02-24 11:35:43 AM
 
2014-02-24 11:43:33 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Reading this right now...


I haven't read hos books in years.  I thought Russia joined NATO in one of his previous books.
 
2014-02-24 11:53:26 AM

TheBigJerk: spamdog: I know that Russian-Georgian war was only in 2008, but from what I'm reading on wikipedia, the Georgian government did strike first, prompting the Russian response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war

I know from all the Tom Clancy books I've read that the Russians are bad and all, but would they really try to intervene in Ukraine without a half-decent excuse?

Depends on your definition of "striking first."  South Ossetia and Abkhazia* were Georgian states in all-but open revolt.

Long before the 2008 "war" the local Ossetians were given Russian citizenship en masse for being "ethnically Russian" (basically a made-up reason).  This was a diplomatic excuse for Russia to roll tanks and fighters and intelligence operatives into South Ossetia and immediately start protecting and assisting the Ossetians in their many raids and terrorist attacks against targets inside of the main Georgian state.  Every time police or Georgian military tried to catch the guerillas from Ossetia, the Ossetians would run and hide behind the Russians.

Finally, Georgian leadership was desperate enough and doing badly enough in the polls (because of this) that they said, "fark it, roll in, maybe Russia will back off or at least the world will notice our country has been occupied by a foreign army."  The rest you already know.  Georgia got stomped, NATO hemmed and hawed, and the local Ossetians murdered every Georgian they could get their hands on.  But it's cool because maybe some of them were oppressed by Georgians previously so Russia was totally okay when they rolled in and slaughtered innocents and looted and pillaged.

Now there was no clear "good" solution, Georgia's a shiathole full of white people being racist against other white people.  I don't know how that works since we all look the same, but whatever.  But Putin still pulled an Iraq.

*Just going to refer to the Ossetians for brevity


What do you mean you don't know how that works, those farkers over there in North shiatistan speak with a funny Northan shiatistan accent and don't accept that Tofu is the one true food. No they think that Spiced Tofu is the one true food, farking HERITICS.

Yeah pretty much all those pissy little wars are like that, I miss the Cold War. Sure we might all die in a fiery apocalypse, but mother farker the USSR kept those shiat heads in line.
 
2014-02-24 11:54:28 AM

Mentat: I haven't read hos books in years. I thought Russia joined NATO in one of his previous books.


They did...then dropped out. I'm a little over halfway through and the Russians have just started rolling the tanks into The Crimea. Sometimes that guy was straight up prophetic.

Interesting statement made in the book about the Russian nuclear forces. Something to the effect that about 2/3 of their land based are all but useless. Not sure if he based that on anything but he did have a pretty good read on a lot of the goings on in the world.
 
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