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(NBC Philadelphia)   There's being a moron, then there is getting busted for DWI 3 times in a week. Tag also applies to low bail amount   (nbcphiladelphia.com) divider line 62
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2014-02-23 09:09:14 PM  
It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.
 
2014-02-23 09:31:36 PM  
He's certainly not Attis best.
 
2014-02-23 09:32:05 PM  

syrynxx: Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.


I agree, he has a problem and jail probably won't help him.
 
2014-02-23 09:34:01 PM  
The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.
 
2014-02-23 09:34:40 PM  

fusillade762: He's certainly not Attis best.


Hopefully he is not Actis worst...
 
2014-02-23 09:37:52 PM  
Yeah Rehab is where this fellow needs to be.
 
2014-02-23 09:37:59 PM  
Bail...how does it work?
 
2014-02-23 09:43:28 PM  

syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.


So I gotta ask: Who is a fan of free healthcare? And where on Earth does it exist?
 
2014-02-23 09:45:16 PM  

syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.


He belongs in rehab in jail.
 
2014-02-23 09:50:00 PM  

DarkVader: The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.


Bail is also set when justice is being obstructed, witness intimidation/tampering, a history of violent felonies, when the accused is deemed to be a threat to others/himself, and to ensure he will appear in court.
 
2014-02-23 09:50:41 PM  
Yeah, this is pretty funny.
I knew a 69-year-old woman this happened to.
She had Alzheimers and a drinking problem.
Pissed off the judge and he gave her three years in prison.

Pretty stupid, eh?
 
2014-02-23 09:51:59 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: syrynxx: Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

I agree, he has a problem and jail probably won't help him.


I dunno...jail can work as well as rehab if a person wants to quit and rehab is the usual 'seeking succor from a higher power' mumbo-jumbo. At least it was for my older brother, who has stayed clean and sober for more than 20 years after doing two years in county slam for getting 4 DUIs in 6 months.
 
2014-02-23 09:52:25 PM  

syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.


Sh*t..How do you retain a buzz getting chased by the police all week.
 
2014-02-23 09:56:07 PM  

lindalouwho: DarkVader: The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.

Bail is also set when justice is being obstructed, witness intimidation/tampering, a history of violent felonies, when the accused is deemed to be a threat to others/himself, and to ensure he will appear in court.


*facepalm*

Those are mostly reasons for bail being denied or set very, very high.
The ensuring appearance part is why.

/today was my turn for screwing up
//everywhere I've been
///no one died tho
////healing slashies!
 
2014-02-23 09:56:27 PM  
This dude is either very stupid or crying out for help. I'm thinking the latter.
 
2014-02-23 09:58:57 PM  
You know, you can be an alcoholic *and* a criminal.
 
2014-02-23 10:02:33 PM  
He's not that much of a moron if he realizes no one will really try to stop him from driving drunk. He'll just make bail to be able to drink and drive again.
 
2014-02-23 10:04:11 PM  
I believe that some courts used to plea the 1st and 2nd offense if it was within a certain time period.  I bet they will plea this out somehow.  I doubt he will get the mandatory 3rd offenders minimum sentence.  Perhaps they will just count all 3 as 2 offenses with more outpatient classes.  He might have to take all 3 charges against his license though.
 
2014-02-23 10:14:23 PM  
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Nicholas Angel: Yes, sir. Why is everyone eating chocolate cake?
Inspector Frank Butterman: The Black Forest gateau is on Danny, as punishment for his little indiscretion.
Nicholas Angel: His...? Sir, I don't think driving under the influence can be called a "little indiscretion."
Inspector Frank Butterman: No, the gateau is for misplacing his helmet the other week. Last night's incident will require something a rather more serious. Do you like ice cream?
Nicholas Angel: I'm sorry, sir. I don't follow.
Inspector Frank Butterman: Let's just say that we won't be short of Chunky Monkey for the next month.
Danny Butterman: [annoyed] Daaaaaad!
 
2014-02-23 10:16:14 PM  

grimlock1972: Yeah Rehab is where this fellow needs to be.


They'll try to make him go to rehab.  He'll say no, no, no.
 
2014-02-23 10:19:09 PM  

syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.


Yeah. Same as if he got drunk and beat his wife, or shot his neighbor, or burned down a hospital -- alcoholics should always get a free pass for criminal activity that endangers everyone around them, because they're alcoholics.
 
2014-02-23 10:30:20 PM  

grimlock1972: Yeah Rehab is where this fellow needs to be.


That's like the mindset that if your crimes are farked up enough they send you to a funny farm instead of prison. Maybe it's true, I dunno.
 
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2014-02-23 10:31:47 PM  
I can tell you in NY this would not have been possible. He would already have had HUGE problems after the second stop. After which the State of NY would have likely deprived him of his vehicle and his freedom.
 
2014-02-23 10:36:57 PM  

grimlock1972: Rehab is where this fellow needs to be.



He's wants to and likely is going to be a lush the rest of his life.

Somehow he needs to be made to understand that if he's going drink himself to death, he needs to get on the bus.
 
2014-02-23 10:40:50 PM  
Daaaaamn. 3? I can't even imagine getting ONE. I mean, aside from the danger you're posing to yourself and others the legal consequences are something you want to make sure you avoid. I just can't imagine being careless enough to not take care to avoid DUI.
 
2014-02-23 10:42:17 PM  
This guy needs to be off the road and locked up some way or another.  There is no reason for that insanity.  He needs not to be on the road.    Morons like this are the reason why my dad had to retire early.   Getting pinned behind a load of lumber that was on the road with more than 900 feet of visibility by a drunk who totaled his previous vehicle on a blaze orange fuel truck on the side of the road a week earlier has caused me to have zero sympathy for these individuals.  I don't know how many others lost loved ones by drunk drivers, but having one suffer with health problems for the rest of his life has revoked any I had.
 
2014-02-23 10:44:38 PM  
Twenty thousand dollars may as well be a bajillion dollars for many people.  The Venn diagram of those people and people who get 3 DUIs in a week probably has a lot of overlap.
 
2014-02-23 10:45:26 PM  

mongbiohazard: Daaaaamn. 3? I can't even imagine getting ONE. I mean, aside from the danger you're posing to yourself and others the legal consequences are something you want to make sure you avoid. I just can't imagine being careless enough to not take care to avoid DUI.


When you drink judgment is the first to go
 
2014-02-23 10:45:27 PM  
Pff it was Wisconsin they would have given him a light slap on the wrist, give him back his license then send him over to the liquor store to go get some Millers for the rest of the squad.

/Seriously
//Wisconsin sucks and gives 10th+ offenders virtually no punishment!
 
2014-02-23 10:48:28 PM  
i got busted twice in one week....so i got that going for me.
 
2014-02-23 10:50:42 PM  

Mugato: mongbiohazard: Daaaaamn. 3? I can't even imagine getting ONE. I mean, aside from the danger you're posing to yourself and others the legal consequences are something you want to make sure you avoid. I just can't imagine being careless enough to not take care to avoid DUI.

When you drink judgment is the first to go


Thing is, it's just not hard at all.  You decide before you drink where you plan to be and how you plan to get home.  If you can't do that while you're sober, and you leave it until drunkYou decides to drive home then you're a criminal.

Rehab?  Sure...while he's in jail.
 
2014-02-23 10:52:37 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: syrynxx: Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

I agree, he has a problem and jail probably won't help him.


I don't give a shiat whether it will help him.  It'll help the people he isn't putting in danger.  Lock his ass up until he's ready to change.
 
2014-02-23 10:53:17 PM  

lindalouwho: lindalouwho: DarkVader: The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.

Bail is also set when justice is being obstructed, witness intimidation/tampering, a history of violent felonies, when the accused is deemed to be a threat to others/himself, and to ensure he will appear in court.

*facepalm*

Those are mostly reasons for bail being denied or set very, very high.
The ensuring appearance part is why.

/today was my turn for screwing up
//everywhere I've been
///no one died tho
////healing slashies!


Potential danger to the community far outweighs compelling the appearance of the defendant. Always. Everywhere.
 
2014-02-23 10:54:01 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

Yeah. Same as if he got drunk and beat his wife, or shot his neighbor, or burned down a hospital -- alcoholics should always get a free pass for criminal activity that endangers everyone around them, because they're alcoholics.


If you think that things like addiction to alcohol or drugs, and things done while under the influence, are purely behavioral choices ... then sure. Prison is partly a deterrent, the threat of prison should deter them from further abusing and breaking the law.

Except addicts have an extremely high rate of recidivism. Prison doesn't deter addicts. So if that's true, what purpose does continually jailing addicts serve? Satisfies your need to punish others?
 
2014-02-23 10:57:06 PM  
That bail is excessive.
 
2014-02-23 10:57:55 PM  
For all the money it is going to cost him in fines and legal fees, the dude could have bought a couple of 72" flat screens, fully stocked bar, and hookers buy the bus load to keep his ass home.
 
2014-02-23 11:03:18 PM  

StopLurkListen: Lenny_da_Hog: syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

Yeah. Same as if he got drunk and beat his wife, or shot his neighbor, or burned down a hospital -- alcoholics should always get a free pass for criminal activity that endangers everyone around them, because they're alcoholics.

If you think that things like addiction to alcohol or drugs, and things done while under the influence, are purely behavioral choices ... then sure. Prison is partly a deterrent, the threat of prison should deter them from further abusing and breaking the law.

Except addicts have an extremely high rate of recidivism. Prison doesn't deter addicts. So if that's true, what purpose does continually jailing addicts serve? Satisfies your need to punish others?


They aren't being imprisoned for addiction. They're being imprisoned for breaking laws that are designed to ensure the safety of citizens around them.

You can attribute any criminal behavior to alcoholism, since alcohol makes you act like a violent dick and is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes in the US. It should be easy to get treated for addiction, but addiction shouldn't be a free pass to endanger people.

If you're endangering people because of alcohol use or abuse, you should get extra incentive -- like jail time -- to get off of it. You should be made to understand that bad, bad things will happen to you if you continue to endanger other people through your own recklessness.
 
2014-02-23 11:08:14 PM  
That happened to a buddy of mine. Just got into a spiral and wracked up two in as many weeks. Fortunately no wrecks.
 
2014-02-23 11:24:08 PM  

StopLurkListen: Lenny_da_Hog: syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

Yeah. Same as if he got drunk and beat his wife, or shot his neighbor, or burned down a hospital -- alcoholics should always get a free pass for criminal activity that endangers everyone around them, because they're alcoholics.

If you think that things like addiction to alcohol or drugs, and things done while under the influence, are purely behavioral choices ... then sure. Prison is partly a deterrent, the threat of prison should deter them from further abusing and breaking the law.

Except addicts have an extremely high rate of recidivism. Prison doesn't deter addicts. So if that's true, what purpose does continually jailing addicts serve? Satisfies your need to punish others?


To keep them off the streets with the rest of us?

Look, I was an addict. I understand that prison doesn't deter addiction. But I also know that addiction is as much a choice as it is a broken brain switch. You can't do anything about the broken brain switch...but you CAN do something about getting into your car when you're wasted. If you refuse to do that, then society's going to have to do it for you.
 
2014-02-23 11:33:45 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: grimlock1972: Yeah Rehab is where this fellow needs to be.

They'll try to make him go to rehab.  He'll say no, no, no.


True no one gives up drinking until they want to.
 
2014-02-23 11:35:16 PM  
So basically a real life Early Cuyler.
 
2014-02-24 12:30:36 AM  

DarkVader: The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.


Yeah, 90% of America is too stupid to comprehend bail. It's not a get out of jail free card, and it's not a reduction in sentence. They don't stop to think that until there is a plea or a conviction, you are innocent, regardless of the amount of evidence they have. Consequently, they can't hold you. Bail is only there to ensure that you will show up for your court date, as you mentioned.

This is a pet peeve of mine. It always drives me nuts when there's a crime and the suspect is out on bail, so the news finds the family of the victims and puts them on TV wailing about how their family's killer is "free to roam the streets", which isn't what's happening at all....

Hell, I hope I'd anything ever happens where I'm in that situation and the person suspected of the crime gets out on bail so that they can interview me, I'll educate the viewing public on what bail is...

And yeah, $20 Grand seems a bit high for someone who can't even get outside of city limits to get a DUI.
 
2014-02-24 12:32:52 AM  

Mikey1969: until there is a plea or a conviction, you are innocent, regardless of the amount of evidence they have. Consequently, they can't hold you


If they can't hold you then what if you can't make bail?
 
2014-02-24 12:33:47 AM  

jtown: Twenty thousand dollars may as well be a bajillion dollars for many people.  The Venn diagram of those people and people who get 3 DUIs in a week probably has a lot of overlap.


Well, he only needs to come up with $2K and collateral equal to the $20K to get a bond from a bondsman....
 
2014-02-24 12:36:15 AM  

Por que tan serioso: lindalouwho: lindalouwho: DarkVader: The ONLY purpose for bail is to ensure that the defendant doesn't flee.

If he's been arrested 3 times in a week, that's pretty strong evidence that he isn't intending to leave town, isn't it?

Bail might even be too high at $20k, depending on how much money he has.

Bail is also set when justice is being obstructed, witness intimidation/tampering, a history of violent felonies, when the accused is deemed to be a threat to others/himself, and to ensure he will appear in court.

*facepalm*

Those are mostly reasons for bail being denied or set very, very high.
The ensuring appearance part is why.

/today was my turn for screwing up
//everywhere I've been
///no one died tho
////healing slashies!

Potential danger to the community far outweighs compelling the appearance of the defendant. Always. Everywhere.


That's not how presumption of innocence works, though. If he hasn't plead guilty, then he isn't guilty at this point and what you're saying means nothing legally.
 
2014-02-24 12:38:17 AM  

Mugato: Mikey1969: until there is a plea or a conviction, you are innocent, regardless of the amount of evidence they have. Consequently, they can't hold you

If they can't hold you then what if you can't make bail?


Then they can hold you for that, but that's it. It's not a guilt thing though, it's a lack of "motivation" to appear for court. You're still innocent.
 
2014-02-24 12:58:19 AM  

Mikey1969: jtown: Twenty thousand dollars may as well be a bajillion dollars for many people.  The Venn diagram of those people and people who get 3 DUIs in a week probably has a lot of overlap.

Well, he only needs to come up with $2K and collateral equal to the $20K to get a bond from a bondsman....


Bail was set 20,000 cash only.  As in, no paper bond.

Mikey1969: That's not how presumption of innocence works, though. If he hasn't plead guilty, then he isn't guilty at this point and what you're saying means nothing legally.


Courts take into account the factors when setting bail, beyond just whether or not you'll show up to trial.  Those can include things like:  the seriousness of the crime charged, the apparent  likelihood of conviction and the extent of punishment permitted; the defendant's prior criminal record, if any, and previous record on bail, if any; the defendant's reputation and mental condition; the length of defendant's residence in the community;
the defendant's family ties and relationships; the defendant's employment status; record of employment and financial condition; the  identity of responsible members of the community who would vouch for defendant's reliability; any other factor indicating  defendant's mode of life, or ties to the community or bearing on the risk of failure to appear and, particularly, the general policy against  unnecessary sureties and detention.
 
2014-02-24 01:02:25 AM  

Mugato: mongbiohazard: Daaaaamn. 3? I can't even imagine getting ONE. I mean, aside from the danger you're posing to yourself and others the legal consequences are something you want to make sure you avoid. I just can't imagine being careless enough to not take care to avoid DUI.

When you drink judgment is the first to go


It's not like I've never put them back myself... I still have trouble imagining being that stupidly careless. If I don't know how I'm going to get home without driving or that I'll be able to sleep it off/sober up in place I simply don't have more than a drink or two - it's not complicated. I've been drunk plenty of times and never thought, "Gee, why don't I just get in my car and go home!" If I can't walk straight then how the fark am I supposed to not wrap my car around a tree?

Autonomous cars can't come fast enough. Once people - us squishy meat creatures who as a whole are inherently unsuited for piloting machines directly - are taken out of the direct control loop a lot less lives will be wasted or maimed.
 
2014-02-24 04:44:21 AM  
Pftt.... amateur hour...

My buddy Adam got busted for 3 DUIS within 36 hours. When he finally got to court they thought the second one was just a paperwork screw up.

He chose not to correct them...


/true story bro
 
2014-02-24 05:08:53 AM  

StopLurkListen: Lenny_da_Hog: syrynxx: It was not known Sunday if Attis had retained a lawyer.

I doubt he knew himself whether he had or not.  Not a fan of free healthcare, but this dude belongs in rehab, not jail.

Yeah. Same as if he got drunk and beat his wife, or shot his neighbor, or burned down a hospital -- alcoholics should always get a free pass for criminal activity that endangers everyone around them, because they're alcoholics.

If you think that things like addiction to alcohol or drugs, and things done while under the influence, are purely behavioral choices ... then sure. Prison is partly a deterrent, the threat of prison should deter them from further abusing and breaking the law.

Except addicts have an extremely high rate of recidivism. Prison doesn't deter addicts. So if that's true, what purpose does continually jailing addicts serve? Satisfies your need to punish others?


If we want to talk pure behaviorism, punishment is extremely poor at altering behavioral patterns unless it is administered swiftly and nearly 100% of the time a behavior occurs.

It always amuses me that so many people know as much about behavioral psych as they do, but still think punishment does shiat.

Interestingly, it only deters non-patterned behavior through aspects outside of behavioral psych, like thinking.
:)

That said, drinking is the thing rehab helps with. Planning one's night in advance is well within the abilities of most alcoholics. The drinking and driving is just a smattering of selfish asshole in combination with the booze.
 
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