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(Slate)   The iconic flag-raising on Iwo Jima happened 69 years ago today. Tag is for AP photographer Joe Rosenthal, who was in the midst of the action, and for the Marines - 3 of whom died in action later in the war   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-02-23 05:01:05 PM  
4 votes:

special20: The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.


It was not staged.  The first flag was too small to be seen clearly from the landing beach.  The Secretary of the Navy wanted the flag as a souvenir and the commander of 2nd Battalion wanted it for the Marines, so he sent a runner up Saribuchi to secure the original flag and replace it with a bigger flag.  Rosenthal reached the peak just as the second flag was being attached to the pole.  He didn't even notice it was being raised until the last minute and got off a quick shot.

If you want staged shots, General MacArthur was the guy to talk to.
2014-02-23 01:57:32 PM  
3 votes:

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


I really wish this myth would die.
2014-02-23 02:19:39 PM  
2 votes:

i3.photobucket.com

Kygz:
In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.



Distantly related via marriage.....my grandfather drove him around the Rez back in the day (in the car the Army gave him;  my grandfater was old enough to drive Ira and his pals to Phoenix but not old enough to go to the bars, so he was a reluctant designated driver).  He was one of the folks called over to ID him that January morning.  My dad only got this as my grandfather was winding down a few years ago.

The ditch where he was found is still kinda there;  my dad drew a map for me, and I drove out there a few years ago.  it is silted over but recognizable.

Pic I took about a decade ago in Arlington National.
2014-02-24 10:45:15 AM  
1 vote:
The Japanese made the Nazis ahem Germans look like gentlemen by comparison.
2014-02-24 01:21:40 AM  
1 vote:

DeadPuppySociety: Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.

Anyone who "mocks" that is a farkwit.


Yep, guy drinking himself to death after going through hell and back to return him as a national celebrity entirely unprepared to deal with such attention and almost certainly suffering from PTSD. The only response to that is to wish something more could have been done to help him.
2014-02-24 12:59:17 AM  
1 vote:

Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.


Anyone who "mocks" that is a farkwit.
2014-02-23 05:00:45 PM  
1 vote:

rickythepenguin: and we never get to the Moon -- or if we do then in second place to the Soviets -- without Nazi brainpower.


And the Soviet space program was based on the Nazi scientists they got. The Germans were the leaders in rocketry in the 1940s and they taught the next generation on both sides of the wall.


Sir VG: a world-aiding cause as WW I


WWII is about as cut and dry good vs evil as you can get. WWI, not so much. It was pretty much dark grey vs dark grey with a lot of whitewashing after the war.
2014-02-23 04:57:09 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


In the last 150 years, the only group more adept than the Japanese at killing Chinese has proven to be the Chinese.
2014-02-23 04:56:43 PM  
1 vote:
Hey Subby, why only the Marines? The Navy hospital corpsman deserves some credit too
2014-02-23 04:29:35 PM  
1 vote:
My grandfather was on a troopship waiting for his regiment's turn to stick their cranks in the meatgrinder when the flag went up. He said everybody started pointing and cheering. That a larger flag went up later is a ginned-up controversy for tards.

/he got wounded a few days later and spent a year in the hospital
/almost never talked about the war
2014-02-23 03:22:27 PM  
1 vote:

Wake Up Sheeple: Let's just hasten the race to the bottom with this thread by mentioning the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Because people are going to compare 200,000 Japanese killed in two perfectly valid military targets to the brutal torture and killing of millions at the hands of the Japanese.

And people denying the famous photo wasn't of an unnecessary second flag raising are quite similar to the people who keep harping about Benghazi.

And let's just call the country by its closest phonetic translation: Nippon.

/have fun


Content is well-crafted but presented in a far too obvious, in-your-face manner.

Still above average. 81% B-
2014-02-23 02:55:19 PM  
1 vote:

studebaker hoch: we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


and we never get to the Moon -- or if we do then in second place to the Soviets -- without Nazi brainpower.



Operation Paperclip
2014-02-23 02:51:06 PM  
1 vote:

wambu: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Staged history is the most dramatic history.


Again, it wasn't staged.....
2014-02-23 02:44:36 PM  
1 vote:

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Look Junior, it's A-holes like yourself that continue to perpetuate urban myths like this that crap on real men that did something more than your generation's small minds can comprehend. The "it was staged" myth may be something you want to believe in order to justify your life's greatest accomplishment having gotten a job using a resume that wasn't written by your mom, but a SIMPLE act of taking 5 minutes to study the facts about that day would be a small sacrifice, on your part, to give to the men that helped provide you the freedom to go back to jacking it to Japanese anime porn.
2014-02-23 02:44:35 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I honestly have never heard of project T4 in my life. And no, I don't need any LMGTFY links, I'm going to Google it when I finish this post, but I'm just saying, the phrase "Project T4" meanings absolutely nothing to me, but if I had to guess I'd say it sounds to me like a SyFy movie or a brand of bath salts or spice
2014-02-23 02:29:36 PM  
1 vote:
grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.
2014-02-23 02:07:00 PM  
1 vote:

Whiplash!!!: And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.


That's actually a good point, and a great way to differentiate the Japanese war mentality from the German/Italian war mentality.

In Western Europe, even three generations after WWII they're still deeply ashamed of what happened and the atrocities that the German Army and SS committed. Their national view is to never forget the depths of depravity humanity can sink to.

In Japan, the atrocities committed by the Japanese Army and Military Police in the occupied areas are minimized, denied, or even outright glorified and justified by certain circles. Textbooks make no mention of them, or if they do are not commonly used in education. Politicians face no controversy for making denialist statements, and many of the people responsible for these are revered as war heroes.

The German's shame was that they did what they did. The Japanese shame was that they lost the war.
2014-02-23 02:02:09 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.
2014-02-23 02:02:03 PM  
1 vote:

Mentat: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

I really wish this myth would die.


The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.
2014-02-23 01:53:47 PM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.


I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.
2014-02-23 01:47:30 PM  
1 vote:

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.
2014-02-23 01:47:09 PM  
1 vote:

Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.


The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.
 
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