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(Slate)   The iconic flag-raising on Iwo Jima happened 69 years ago today. Tag is for AP photographer Joe Rosenthal, who was in the midst of the action, and for the Marines - 3 of whom died in action later in the war   (slate.com) divider line 88
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2014-02-23 01:43:31 PM
In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:31 PM
In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:48 PM
Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.
 
2014-02-23 01:45:49 PM
Not in before some jerkoff points out he's in before something or other....
 
2014-02-23 01:46:27 PM
In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:09 PM

Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.


The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:30 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:10 PM
 
2014-02-23 01:49:19 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-23 01:53:40 PM

CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.


Which one? I live Beevor!
 
2014-02-23 01:53:47 PM

Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.


I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.
 
2014-02-23 01:54:43 PM

special20: In before


Kygz: In before


hardinparamedic: In before



 img.fark.net
 
2014-02-23 01:56:29 PM

CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.


Thanks... just picked this book up.  Hadn't seen it before you mentioned it.
 
2014-02-23 01:57:03 PM
In before farkers biatching about military worship.
 
2014-02-23 01:57:11 PM
That picture was staged!
 
2014-02-23 01:57:32 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


I really wish this myth would die.
 
2014-02-23 01:58:08 PM

chemical_angel: That picture was staged!


RAR
 
2014-02-23 02:02:03 PM

Mentat: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

I really wish this myth would die.


The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.
 
2014-02-23 02:03:10 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-23 02:04:16 PM
Staged or not, I don't care.

I'm thankful to any and all soldiers who fight to protect our country. I hope none of them have to fight a war, especially one as unnecessary as the ones we've been in for the past 10 years or so. If they have to fight in a war, may it be as noteworthy and a world-aiding cause as WW I and II.
 
2014-02-23 02:05:01 PM

Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.


You're ignoring the Eastern front.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:53 PM

hardinparamedic: In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.


don't denigrate the great achievements this generation has managed to accomplish...
old.warchina.com
 
2014-02-23 02:07:00 PM

Whiplash!!!: And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.


That's actually a good point, and a great way to differentiate the Japanese war mentality from the German/Italian war mentality.

In Western Europe, even three generations after WWII they're still deeply ashamed of what happened and the atrocities that the German Army and SS committed. Their national view is to never forget the depths of depravity humanity can sink to.

In Japan, the atrocities committed by the Japanese Army and Military Police in the occupied areas are minimized, denied, or even outright glorified and justified by certain circles. Textbooks make no mention of them, or if they do are not commonly used in education. Politicians face no controversy for making denialist statements, and many of the people responsible for these are revered as war heroes.

The German's shame was that they did what they did. The Japanese shame was that they lost the war.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:50 PM
False flag!!
 
2014-02-23 02:11:18 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Does it matter?  They still won the war.

/Badass tag applies to those soldiers
 
2014-02-23 02:13:31 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: hardinparamedic: In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.

don't denigrate the great achievements this generation has managed to accomplish...


I assume you're referring to the boomers, since they're the age group sending the young men to war.
 
2014-02-23 02:14:57 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.
 
2014-02-23 02:19:39 PM

i3.photobucket.com

Kygz:
In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.



Distantly related via marriage.....my grandfather drove him around the Rez back in the day (in the car the Army gave him;  my grandfater was old enough to drive Ira and his pals to Phoenix but not old enough to go to the bars, so he was a reluctant designated driver).  He was one of the folks called over to ID him that January morning.  My dad only got this as my grandfather was winding down a few years ago.

The ditch where he was found is still kinda there;  my dad drew a map for me, and I drove out there a few years ago.  it is silted over but recognizable.

Pic I took about a decade ago in Arlington National.
 
2014-02-23 02:20:02 PM
oi59.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-23 02:20:49 PM
Those men were under sniper fire, unlike the "we were under sniper fire" story some 50 years later.

Staged, yup.  A big muckety-muck naval brass wanted the first one so they staged the photo for the second flag.

Salute to all American Veterans and their huge and noisy clanking brass balls!
 
2014-02-23 02:21:43 PM
Fortunately, an official video of the flag raising by a Marine photographer

Videos were known as films back then. Get off my lawn, Jeremy Bender.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-23 02:29:36 PM
grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.
 
2014-02-23 02:39:11 PM

grimlock1972: I'l just leave this here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPvGZ3gTHJM


Dammit, beat me to it.
 
2014-02-23 02:40:18 PM

Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.


Mockery? No. Sad, awful story? Yes.
 
2014-02-23 02:42:09 PM

studebaker hoch: grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


Oh god yrs, the Germans were civil on comparison.
 
2014-02-23 02:44:35 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I honestly have never heard of project T4 in my life. And no, I don't need any LMGTFY links, I'm going to Google it when I finish this post, but I'm just saying, the phrase "Project T4" meanings absolutely nothing to me, but if I had to guess I'd say it sounds to me like a SyFy movie or a brand of bath salts or spice
 
2014-02-23 02:44:36 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Look Junior, it's A-holes like yourself that continue to perpetuate urban myths like this that crap on real men that did something more than your generation's small minds can comprehend. The "it was staged" myth may be something you want to believe in order to justify your life's greatest accomplishment having gotten a job using a resume that wasn't written by your mom, but a SIMPLE act of taking 5 minutes to study the facts about that day would be a small sacrifice, on your part, to give to the men that helped provide you the freedom to go back to jacking it to Japanese anime porn.
 
2014-02-23 02:44:43 PM

Kygz: CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.

Which one? I live Beevor!


The Second World War. It's a comprehensive history of the war. I also highly recommend Unbroken, which will be a movie soon. Dude ran in the Olympics and later survived seven weeks at sea in a life raft, before becoming a Japanese POW.
 
2014-02-23 02:49:38 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Staged history is the most dramatic history.
 
2014-02-23 02:49:56 PM
i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-23 02:50:48 PM
studebaker hoch:
You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.

True, but Nazi scientists helped us beat the Soviets to the moon. We didn't punish either group if said people had information useful to us, it's perhaps the most valuable post-war spoils the victor receives.
 
2014-02-23 02:51:06 PM

wambu: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Staged history is the most dramatic history.


Again, it wasn't staged.....
 
2014-02-23 02:54:44 PM

grimlock1972: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.


IMO worse.  At least if you were a POW in Germany, you were treated decently.  If you were a POW in Japan, you were treated worse than pond scum.
 
2014-02-23 02:55:19 PM

studebaker hoch: we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


and we never get to the Moon -- or if we do then in second place to the Soviets -- without Nazi brainpower.



Operation Paperclip
 
2014-02-23 03:02:09 PM

CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.


And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.
 
2014-02-23 03:02:49 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.




Because the US pardoned the doctor in charge of Unit 731 and tried to make use of his work??
 
2014-02-23 03:06:47 PM
Special,

you are incorrect.  The iconic photo was original, although there was also a staged photo.  Anyone interested, the show "Talking History" did a great show on this subject..  Here are the links to the show.

http://newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Talking_History/Highlights_from_T al king_History/34280/1/the_battle_of_iwo_jima_part_one/cp_5

http://newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Talking_History/Highlights_from_T al king_History/34282/1/the_battle_of_iwo_jima_part_two/cp_4

For anyone who has a love of history, I would strongly recommend "Talking History" as a must listen every Sunday (2pm Eastern).
 
2014-02-23 03:12:17 PM

Whiplash!!!: And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.


they both did farked up shiat.  mengele's experiments on twins, freezing jews to find new ways to help downed Luftwaffe pilots who got splashed......they both did some prtty despicable things.  as have the americans from time to time.  tuskegee airmen?  the genocide of indians?  and as noted, our moral outrage was checked at th door when we might be able to reap a benefit down the road. let's not act like our hands are the cleanest.
 
2014-02-23 03:18:12 PM

Whiplash!!!: CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.

And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.


Are you seriously suggesting that vivisection of humans is appropriate as long as they are anesthetized? farking monster
 
2014-02-23 03:19:38 PM
Let's just hasten the race to the bottom with this thread by mentioning the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Because people are going to compare 200,000 Japanese killed in two perfectly valid military targets to the brutal torture and killing of millions at the hands of the Japanese.

And people denying the famous photo wasn't of an unnecessary second flag raising are quite similar to the people who keep harping about Benghazi.

And let's just call the country by its closest phonetic translation: Nippon.

/have fun
 
2014-02-23 03:21:35 PM
imageshack.com

Never forget!

/And be sure to drink your Ovaltine ;)
//Snark aside, was a cool moment
 
2014-02-23 03:22:27 PM

Wake Up Sheeple: Let's just hasten the race to the bottom with this thread by mentioning the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Because people are going to compare 200,000 Japanese killed in two perfectly valid military targets to the brutal torture and killing of millions at the hands of the Japanese.

And people denying the famous photo wasn't of an unnecessary second flag raising are quite similar to the people who keep harping about Benghazi.

And let's just call the country by its closest phonetic translation: Nippon.

/have fun


Content is well-crafted but presented in a far too obvious, in-your-face manner.

Still above average. 81% B-
 
2014-02-23 03:25:11 PM
BTW Japanese people call their country Japan when they talk to white people so how in the hell are we even supposed to acknowledge we know their code-word "Nippon" for their motherland without admitting we spy on them all the time and listen to all their communications?
 
2014-02-23 03:27:23 PM

ransack.: Wake Up Sheeple: Let's just hasten the race to the bottom with this thread by mentioning the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Because people are going to compare 200,000 Japanese killed in two perfectly valid military targets to the brutal torture and killing of millions at the hands of the Japanese.

And people denying the famous photo wasn't of an unnecessary second flag raising are quite similar to the people who keep harping about Benghazi.

And let's just call the country by its closest phonetic translation: Nippon.

/have fun

Content is well-crafted but presented in a far too obvious, in-your-face manner.

Still above average. 81% B-


Thank you, but all I'm doing is handing out the gasoline and matches. I'm going to watch from a safe distance.
 
2014-02-23 03:43:18 PM

ransack.: I honestly have never heard of project T4 in my life. And no, I don't need any LMGTFY links, I'm going to Google it when I finish this post, but I'm just saying, the phrase "Project T4" meanings absolutely nothing to me, but if I had to guess I'd say it sounds to me like a SyFy movie or a brand of bath salts or spice


Projekt T4 was the euthanasia program that the Nazi Government instituted as a way of dealing with the mentally ill, homosexuals, the destitute, and the elderly with dementia. They would kill them with an IV injection of Phenol.
 
2014-02-23 03:50:06 PM

limboslam: wambu: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Staged history is the most dramatic history.

Again, it wasn't staged.....


Not the first time, no.
 
2014-02-23 03:53:28 PM

ransack.: Whiplash!!!: CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.

And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.

Are you seriously suggesting that vivisection of humans is appropriate as long as they are anesthetized? farking monster


Well...
 
2014-02-23 03:57:16 PM
The American government acknowledged the use of Nazi rocket scientists because they had do.  The Moon race was far too public, and an attempted cover-up of who the principle investigators really were could have been a public relations nightmare.  We wisely defused that one early.

The US biological warfare effort was a bit less publicized.  The Japanese data allowed us to develop effective weapons without killing entire towns to validate our designs.  We never had to say anything about where our numbers came from, and we never did.
 
2014-02-23 04:05:45 PM
Dad was a captain in 1st Marines, and until the day he died, he had nightmares about his war in the Pacific. There was no such thing as PTSD in those days...
 
2014-02-23 04:07:43 PM

rickythepenguin: Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.


Distantly related via marriage.....my grandfather drove him around the Rez back in the day (in the car the Army gave him;  my grandfater was old enough to drive Ira and his pals to Phoenix but not old enough to go to the bars, so he was a reluctant designated driver).  He was one of the folks called over to ID him that January morning.  My dad only got this as my grandfather was winding down a few years ago.

The ditch where he was found is still kinda there;  my dad drew a map for me, and I drove out there a few years ago.  it is silted over but recognizable.

Pic I took about a decade ago in Arlington National.


Damn
 
2014-02-23 04:26:03 PM
Wow, it seems like the anniversary of this comes every darn year
 
2014-02-23 04:29:35 PM
My grandfather was on a troopship waiting for his regiment's turn to stick their cranks in the meatgrinder when the flag went up. He said everybody started pointing and cheering. That a larger flag went up later is a ginned-up controversy for tards.

/he got wounded a few days later and spent a year in the hospital
/almost never talked about the war
 
2014-02-23 04:42:13 PM
Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore.

Not the whiskey drinkin Indian or the Marine that went to war...
 
2014-02-23 04:56:43 PM
Hey Subby, why only the Marines? The Navy hospital corpsman deserves some credit too
 
2014-02-23 04:57:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


In the last 150 years, the only group more adept than the Japanese at killing Chinese has proven to be the Chinese.
 
2014-02-23 05:00:45 PM

rickythepenguin: and we never get to the Moon -- or if we do then in second place to the Soviets -- without Nazi brainpower.


And the Soviet space program was based on the Nazi scientists they got. The Germans were the leaders in rocketry in the 1940s and they taught the next generation on both sides of the wall.


Sir VG: a world-aiding cause as WW I


WWII is about as cut and dry good vs evil as you can get. WWI, not so much. It was pretty much dark grey vs dark grey with a lot of whitewashing after the war.
 
2014-02-23 05:01:05 PM

special20: The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.


It was not staged.  The first flag was too small to be seen clearly from the landing beach.  The Secretary of the Navy wanted the flag as a souvenir and the commander of 2nd Battalion wanted it for the Marines, so he sent a runner up Saribuchi to secure the original flag and replace it with a bigger flag.  Rosenthal reached the peak just as the second flag was being attached to the pole.  He didn't even notice it was being raised until the last minute and got off a quick shot.

If you want staged shots, General MacArthur was the guy to talk to.
 
2014-02-23 05:05:02 PM

MBrady: grimlock1972: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

IMO worse.  At least if you were a POW in Germany, you were treated decently.  If you were a POW in Japan, you were treated worse than pond scum.


Agreed and for two reasons :   1. you surrendered and to the Japanese that was high dishonorable.   2. The Japanese at time had not signed on to the Geneva Convention so they had no reason to treat the POWS in anything resembling well.
 
2014-02-23 05:07:53 PM

Whiplash!!!: CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.

And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.


Laying prisoners down then hosing them with water until they froze to death; voila, instant road. Also the German put down of the Warsaw uprising that was so horrific even the Nazis said "woah that's sick dude" and executed the officer in charge. I just think it's incorrect to paint the Japanese as the worst actor.
 
2014-02-23 05:08:59 PM

studebaker hoch: grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


True, the Nazi did allow experimentation on children and Russian POWS in the Concentration camps, the worst of the doctors involved was the infamous Nazi Angel of Death  Joseph Mengele.
 
2014-02-23 06:09:01 PM
www.iwojima.com

I guess this has been covered.
 
2014-02-23 06:33:25 PM

CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.

And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.

Laying prisoners down then hosing them with water until they froze to death; voila, instant road. Also the German put down of the Warsaw uprising that was so horrific even the Nazis said "woah that's sick dude" and executed the officer in charge. I just think it's incorrect to paint the Japanese as the worst actor.


That is pretty farked up. Hadn't heard that one before.
 
2014-02-23 06:41:09 PM

MBrady: IMO worse.  At least if you were a POW in Germany, you were treated decently.  If you were a POW in Japan, you were treated worse than pond scum.


And that's why nearly 60% of Soviet POWs in German captivity died, compared to about a third of American POWs in Japanese captivity (and a third of German POWs in Soviet captivity).
 
2014-02-23 06:55:26 PM

Moopy Mac: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

In the last 150 years, the only group more adept than the Japanese at killing Chinese has proven to be the Chinese.


Word. That's one of the issues the Japanese have with trying to come to grips with what their armies did. It's not that they don't think bad things were done, it's that they know how awful those things were and they don't want to believe that they could be capable of it.

Also, China was in the middle of a civil war. The amount of misinformation that was flying around was insane. The communists were blaming Japanese atrocities on the Nationalists. The Japanese were blaming Nationalist atrocities on the Communists. It was chaos.

That's another reason it's hard to find the truth about what happened during the Pacific War. Except for cut and dried things like Unit 731 and the Bataan March, it's hard to know who did what. So people are hesitant to go into detail about it.
 
2014-02-23 07:44:35 PM

carlisimo: MBrady: IMO worse.  At least if you were a POW in Germany, you were treated decently.  If you were a POW in Japan, you were treated worse than pond scum.

And that's why nearly 60% of Soviet POWs in German captivity died, compared to about a third of American POWs in Japanese captivity (and a third of German POWs in Soviet captivity).


Those American GIs just didn't understand that natto is supposed to be like that. They thought it was rotten.

images.dannychoo.com
 
2014-02-23 08:52:27 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


That would make the U.S. look bad since we hired their biological weapon experts.
 
2014-02-23 11:39:35 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Actually, it wasn't really staged.  The first flag raising was even photographed.  However, it was decided to switch out the standard sized flag, with a larger one.  A photographer was also sent to document the raising of the second flag.  I don't remember the exact details, but he didn't intentionally snap the famous picture, or at least it wasn't the pic he thought was going to be the money shot, until after the photograph was developed.
 
2014-02-23 11:47:22 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Actually, it wasn't really staged.  The first flag raising was even photographed.  However, it was decided to switch out the standard sized flag, with a larger one.  A photographer was also sent to document the raising of the second flag.  I don't remember the exact details, but he didn't intentionally snap the famous picture, or at least it wasn't the pic he thought was going to be the money shot, until after the photograph was developed.


4x5s are like that. You can't even see what you're shooting.
 
2014-02-24 12:59:17 AM

Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.


Anyone who "mocks" that is a farkwit.
 
2014-02-24 01:04:07 AM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I lived in Carlsbad, NM for years, so we learned all about the march. I learned about unit 731 from a fark thread though. Grimy stuff and I think the fact we're "allies" with a nation that suppresses that part of their history is disgusting. I'm friends with a Japanese girl on FB and she's never even heard of Nanking...
 
2014-02-24 01:21:40 AM

DeadPuppySociety: Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.

Anyone who "mocks" that is a farkwit.


Yep, guy drinking himself to death after going through hell and back to return him as a national celebrity entirely unprepared to deal with such attention and almost certainly suffering from PTSD. The only response to that is to wish something more could have been done to help him.
 
2014-02-24 02:10:30 AM

Mentat: special20: The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.

It was not staged.  The first flag was too small to be seen clearly from the landing beach.  The Secretary of the Navy wanted the flag as a souvenir and the commander of 2nd Battalion wanted it for the Marines, so he sent a runner up Saribuchi to secure the original flag and replace it with a bigger flag.  Rosenthal reached the peak just as the second flag was being attached to the pole.  He didn't even notice it was being raised until the last minute and got off a quick shot.

If you want staged shots, General MacArthur was the guy to talk to.



That would be 'Dugout Doug'
 
2014-02-24 08:19:05 AM

studebaker hoch: The American government acknowledged the use of Nazi rocket scientists because they had do.  The Moon race was far too public, and an attempted cover-up of who the principle investigators really were could have been a public relations nightmare.  We wisely defused that one early.

The US biological warfare effort was a bit less publicized.  The Japanese data allowed us to develop effective weapons without killing entire towns to validate our designs.  We never had to say anything about where our numbers came from, and we never did.


The rocket scientists were German, not Nazis. There is a difference.
 
2014-02-24 10:17:17 AM

SuperChuck: studebaker hoch: The American government acknowledged the use of Nazi rocket scientists because they had do.  The Moon race was far too public, and an attempted cover-up of who the principle investigators really were could have been a public relations nightmare.  We wisely defused that one early.

The US biological warfare effort was a bit less publicized.  The Japanese data allowed us to develop effective weapons without killing entire towns to validate our designs.  We never had to say anything about where our numbers came from, and we never did.

The rocket scientists were German, not Nazis. There is a difference.


Those rocket scientists were building rockets for the express purpose of raining death upon civilians in London and other cities. If you can tell give a logically valid description of how a German building long-distance civilian-killing machines was different than a whole-hog Nazi death camp guard in Poland responsible for herding Jews into a gas chamber, I will send you a cookie.

The point is that the difference between those two groups is moot. Anyone who had knowledge of how their actions were being used to kill others was equally complicit.

/That being said, people should not be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.
//People are evil, not nations.
///Some of my best friends are Austrian
/x4 And Japanese?
 
2014-02-24 10:45:15 AM
The Japanese made the Nazis ahem Germans look like gentlemen by comparison.
 
2014-02-24 05:37:26 PM

studebaker hoch: The Japanese made the Nazis ahem Germans look like gentlemen by comparison.


In some ways, sure. The Germans treated Western POWs fairly well. But they treated Soviet POWs horribly, including use of gas chambers, to the extent that the death rate of Soviet POWs held by the Germans was nearly twice that of Westerners held by the Japanese. Though the death rate for Chinese prisoners was probably at least comparable to Soviets.

And the Nazi treatment of undesirable civilians was probably pretty equal. They also had some pretty horrible medical experimentation.
 
2014-02-24 06:57:38 PM

DeadPuppySociety: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

I lived in Carlsbad, NM for years, so we learned all about the march. I learned about unit 731 from a fark thread though. Grimy stuff and I think the fact we're "allies" with a nation that suppresses that part of their history is disgusting. I'm friends with a Japanese girl on FB and she's never even heard of Nanking...


A lot of people on twitter are super racist.
 
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