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(Slate)   The iconic flag-raising on Iwo Jima happened 69 years ago today. Tag is for AP photographer Joe Rosenthal, who was in the midst of the action, and for the Marines - 3 of whom died in action later in the war   (slate.com) divider line 88
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2014-02-23 01:43:31 PM
In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:31 PM
In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:48 PM
Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.
 
2014-02-23 01:45:49 PM
Not in before some jerkoff points out he's in before something or other....
 
2014-02-23 01:46:27 PM
In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:09 PM

Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.


The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:30 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:10 PM
 
2014-02-23 01:49:19 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-23 01:53:40 PM

CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.


Which one? I live Beevor!
 
2014-02-23 01:53:47 PM

Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.


I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.
 
2014-02-23 01:54:43 PM

special20: In before


Kygz: In before


hardinparamedic: In before



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2014-02-23 01:56:29 PM

CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.


Thanks... just picked this book up.  Hadn't seen it before you mentioned it.
 
2014-02-23 01:57:03 PM
In before farkers biatching about military worship.
 
2014-02-23 01:57:11 PM
That picture was staged!
 
2014-02-23 01:57:32 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


I really wish this myth would die.
 
2014-02-23 01:58:08 PM

chemical_angel: That picture was staged!


RAR
 
2014-02-23 02:02:03 PM

Mentat: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

I really wish this myth would die.


The famous photograph taken by Rosenthal was the second American flag-raising event of the day.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.
 
2014-02-23 02:03:10 PM
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2014-02-23 02:04:16 PM
Staged or not, I don't care.

I'm thankful to any and all soldiers who fight to protect our country. I hope none of them have to fight a war, especially one as unnecessary as the ones we've been in for the past 10 years or so. If they have to fight in a war, may it be as noteworthy and a world-aiding cause as WW I and II.
 
2014-02-23 02:05:01 PM

Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.


You're ignoring the Eastern front.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:53 PM

hardinparamedic: In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.


don't denigrate the great achievements this generation has managed to accomplish...
old.warchina.com
 
2014-02-23 02:07:00 PM

Whiplash!!!: And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.


That's actually a good point, and a great way to differentiate the Japanese war mentality from the German/Italian war mentality.

In Western Europe, even three generations after WWII they're still deeply ashamed of what happened and the atrocities that the German Army and SS committed. Their national view is to never forget the depths of depravity humanity can sink to.

In Japan, the atrocities committed by the Japanese Army and Military Police in the occupied areas are minimized, denied, or even outright glorified and justified by certain circles. Textbooks make no mention of them, or if they do are not commonly used in education. Politicians face no controversy for making denialist statements, and many of the people responsible for these are revered as war heroes.

The German's shame was that they did what they did. The Japanese shame was that they lost the war.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:50 PM
False flag!!
 
2014-02-23 02:11:18 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Does it matter?  They still won the war.

/Badass tag applies to those soldiers
 
2014-02-23 02:13:31 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: hardinparamedic: In before the FARK mall ninja brigade tells us how they've done more heroic things.

don't denigrate the great achievements this generation has managed to accomplish...


I assume you're referring to the boomers, since they're the age group sending the young men to war.
 
2014-02-23 02:14:57 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.
 
2014-02-23 02:19:39 PM

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Kygz:
In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.



Distantly related via marriage.....my grandfather drove him around the Rez back in the day (in the car the Army gave him;  my grandfater was old enough to drive Ira and his pals to Phoenix but not old enough to go to the bars, so he was a reluctant designated driver).  He was one of the folks called over to ID him that January morning.  My dad only got this as my grandfather was winding down a few years ago.

The ditch where he was found is still kinda there;  my dad drew a map for me, and I drove out there a few years ago.  it is silted over but recognizable.

Pic I took about a decade ago in Arlington National.
 
2014-02-23 02:20:02 PM
oi59.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-23 02:20:49 PM
Those men were under sniper fire, unlike the "we were under sniper fire" story some 50 years later.

Staged, yup.  A big muckety-muck naval brass wanted the first one so they staged the photo for the second flag.

Salute to all American Veterans and their huge and noisy clanking brass balls!
 
2014-02-23 02:21:43 PM
Fortunately, an official video of the flag raising by a Marine photographer

Videos were known as films back then. Get off my lawn, Jeremy Bender.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-23 02:29:36 PM
grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.
 
2014-02-23 02:39:11 PM

grimlock1972: I'l just leave this here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPvGZ3gTHJM


Dammit, beat me to it.
 
2014-02-23 02:40:18 PM

Kygz: In before people mock the fate of Ira Hayes.


Mockery? No. Sad, awful story? Yes.
 
2014-02-23 02:42:09 PM

studebaker hoch: grimlock1972

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.

worse

The Japanese did things to people the Nazis never dreamed of.

You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


Oh god yrs, the Germans were civil on comparison.
 
2014-02-23 02:44:35 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.


I honestly have never heard of project T4 in my life. And no, I don't need any LMGTFY links, I'm going to Google it when I finish this post, but I'm just saying, the phrase "Project T4" meanings absolutely nothing to me, but if I had to guess I'd say it sounds to me like a SyFy movie or a brand of bath salts or spice
 
2014-02-23 02:44:36 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Look Junior, it's A-holes like yourself that continue to perpetuate urban myths like this that crap on real men that did something more than your generation's small minds can comprehend. The "it was staged" myth may be something you want to believe in order to justify your life's greatest accomplishment having gotten a job using a resume that wasn't written by your mom, but a SIMPLE act of taking 5 minutes to study the facts about that day would be a small sacrifice, on your part, to give to the men that helped provide you the freedom to go back to jacking it to Japanese anime porn.
 
2014-02-23 02:44:43 PM

Kygz: CruJones: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Let's go with "re-created."
I'm actually reading a long-ass book about WW2, by Anthony Beevor. I'm learning a lot, but it's heavy reading.

Which one? I live Beevor!


The Second World War. It's a comprehensive history of the war. I also highly recommend Unbroken, which will be a movie soon. Dude ran in the Olympics and later survived seven weeks at sea in a life raft, before becoming a Japanese POW.
 
2014-02-23 02:49:38 PM

special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.


Staged history is the most dramatic history.
 
2014-02-23 02:49:56 PM
i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-23 02:50:48 PM
studebaker hoch:
You don't hear about it in American schools because we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.

True, but Nazi scientists helped us beat the Soviets to the moon. We didn't punish either group if said people had information useful to us, it's perhaps the most valuable post-war spoils the victor receives.
 
2014-02-23 02:51:06 PM

wambu: special20: In before it's noted that the iconic photo was staged.

Staged history is the most dramatic history.


Again, it wasn't staged.....
 
2014-02-23 02:54:44 PM

grimlock1972: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

I agree the Japanese committed atrocities every but as horrible as the Nazis.


IMO worse.  At least if you were a POW in Germany, you were treated decently.  If you were a POW in Japan, you were treated worse than pond scum.
 
2014-02-23 02:55:19 PM

studebaker hoch: we looked the other way in exchange for their experimental data on biological warfare.


and we never get to the Moon -- or if we do then in second place to the Soviets -- without Nazi brainpower.



Operation Paperclip
 
2014-02-23 03:02:09 PM

CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.


And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.
 
2014-02-23 03:02:49 PM

hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.




Because the US pardoned the doctor in charge of Unit 731 and tried to make use of his work??
 
2014-02-23 03:06:47 PM
Special,

you are incorrect.  The iconic photo was original, although there was also a staged photo.  Anyone interested, the show "Talking History" did a great show on this subject..  Here are the links to the show.

http://newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Talking_History/Highlights_from_T al king_History/34280/1/the_battle_of_iwo_jima_part_one/cp_5

http://newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Talking_History/Highlights_from_T al king_History/34282/1/the_battle_of_iwo_jima_part_two/cp_4

For anyone who has a love of history, I would strongly recommend "Talking History" as a must listen every Sunday (2pm Eastern).
 
2014-02-23 03:12:17 PM

Whiplash!!!: And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.


they both did farked up shiat.  mengele's experiments on twins, freezing jews to find new ways to help downed Luftwaffe pilots who got splashed......they both did some prtty despicable things.  as have the americans from time to time.  tuskegee airmen?  the genocide of indians?  and as noted, our moral outrage was checked at th door when we might be able to reap a benefit down the road. let's not act like our hands are the cleanest.
 
2014-02-23 03:18:12 PM

Whiplash!!!: CanisNoir: Whiplash!!!: hardinparamedic: Nadie_AZ: Klippoklondike: Flags of Our Fathers was a really good movie.  If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

The pacific theater in general doesn't get as much coverage as Europe does. Nasty meat grinder.

I wish the atrocities committed by the Japanese got more exposure. Everyone from Elementary school up knows about the holocaust and Project T4. Not very many outside of China or the island chains know about Unit 731, the Bataan Death March or The rape of Nanjing.

And they don't teach the stuff in Japan either. The Japs did the the most awful stuff of that war and their people are going to just forget about it.

You're ignoring the Eastern front.

And you're ignoring un-anesthetized vivisections of human beings.


Are you seriously suggesting that vivisection of humans is appropriate as long as they are anesthetized? farking monster
 
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