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(Daily Mail)   "At least they didn't sexually assault her" is NOT a very good way to defend your cops for a controversial arrest.... unless you are the Austin TX Police Chief   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 320
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2014-02-23 09:54:45 AM  
So that is what goes thru what passes for a mind of the Austin chief?
Explains a lot.
 
2014-02-23 10:25:18 AM  
'I didn't do anything wrong! I didn't do anything wrong! she said repeatedly. 'I didn't f***ing do anything wrong! I just crossed the street.'

Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.
 
2014-02-23 10:38:49 AM  
The Austin Police Department has denied that the officers seen in the video were specifically targeting jaywalkers, claiming instead that they were working 'pedestrian enforcement' to ensure traffic safety

Ah.  Police fundraiser and quota filler.

Stephen was one of 28 people who were stopped for jaywalking Thursday

I don't see how anyone could possibly claim that the police were targeting jaywalkers.  Why, the very notion is absurd.
 
2014-02-23 10:46:47 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-23 12:06:36 PM  
Wow. A graduate of the Todd Akin school of Public Relations I see.
 
2014-02-23 12:09:02 PM  
Yesterday's press conference related to the arrest of a jogger by members of the Austin Police Department (APD) was the culmination of an emotional week for the APD, our extended APD family and me personally.

Poor chief of police. Having to go through the ordeal of being held accountable for his words, or even for a ridiculous arrest made by one of his employees.

http://www.statesman.com/weblogs/the-blotter/2014/feb/22/acevedo-apol o gizes-comments-after-joggers-arrest/
 
2014-02-23 12:11:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wow. A graduate of the Todd Akin school of Public Relations I see.


Come on now, are you saying that the bar for the police department needs to be set higher than 'There's a good chance we won't rape you'? What are they supposed to be, supermen?
 
2014-02-23 12:43:33 PM  
pigs
 
2014-02-23 12:55:39 PM  
I am just going to preemptively claim I had nothing to do with this incident
 
2014-02-23 01:20:16 PM  
He's a "glass is half full" kind of cop.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: hardinparamedic: Wow. A graduate of the Todd Akin school of Public Relations I see.

Come on now, are you saying that the bar for the police department needs to be set higher than 'There's a good chance we won't rape you'? What are they supposed to be, supermen?


it's almost as if they should act with principles and not be "respect mah authoritah just because I say so" type a dipshiats
 
2014-02-23 01:49:53 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: hardinparamedic: Wow. A graduate of the Todd Akin school of Public Relations I see.

Come on now, are you saying that the bar for the police department needs to be set higher than 'There's a good chance we won't rape you'? What are they supposed to be, supermen?


Now, now, let's not be hasty.  That's not what he said.  He said, "You're lucky we didn't rape you".  He specifically made no guarantees on the statistical probability that they wouldn't.
 
2014-02-23 01:53:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.


Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Now, now, let's not be hasty.  That's not what he said.  He said, "You're lucky we didn't rape you".  He specifically made no guarantees on the statistical probability that they wouldn't.


It's Texas, dude. It's not Rape, it's just surprise sex that she didn't know she wanted. I mean, look at the way she was dressed.
 
2014-02-23 02:05:23 PM  
Well at least I know what to do in Texas next time I want to get laid....
 
2014-02-23 02:08:12 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


I'd be doing something more important then writing people up for crossing the street, that's what I'd have done.  But, if my command for the day was to hang around and bust jaywalkers I'd do *anything* to make it more interesting, practically beg for someone like her to show up and make my day, so to speak.
 
2014-02-23 02:09:27 PM  
DRTFAs, but...

I wonder if they found out who took the video.  Dude/dudette better hope they live in upstate Maine.
 
2014-02-23 02:09:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: Benevolent Misanthrope: Now, now, let's not be hasty.  That's not what he said.  He said, "You're lucky we didn't rape you".  He specifically made no guarantees on the statistical probability that they wouldn't.

It's Texas, dude. It's not Rape, it's just surprise sex that she didn't know she wanted. I mean, look at the way she was dressed.


Let's hope she didn't want it. Everyone in Texas knows that women who don't want sex can't get pregnant if they're raped.
 
2014-02-23 02:10:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The Austin Police Department has denied that the officers seen in the video were specifically targeting jaywalkers, claiming instead that they were working 'pedestrian enforcement' to ensure traffic safety

Ah.  Police fundraiser and quota filler.

Stephen was one of 28 people who were stopped for jaywalking Thursday

I don't see how anyone could possibly claim that the police were targeting jaywalkers.  Why, the very notion is absurd.


We have hordes of elderly Asian people that basically wander around in traffic down the street from my house. A targeting of jaywalkers isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
2014-02-23 02:15:06 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


As a cop grabbing a young woman by the arm from behind, I would understand she'll probably be a little startled. I'd apply common sense and when she looks back after pulling away I'd grab her arm again and make a motion for her to pull out her earbuds. Then I would ask her to be more careful where she crosses and let her on her way. When you have yet to identify yourself as LE and someone pulls away from you it doesn't fall into resisting. And if you're gonna buy the story that she went limp and wasn't "taken down" as described by the eyewitness, I'm calling your judgement skills into question.
 
2014-02-23 02:16:30 PM  
"At the end of the day, that officer has to stop them somehow. He didn't tackle her to the ground, you know, it's kind of interesting what passes for controversy in Austin, Texas. Thank you Lord that there's a controversy in Austin, Texas that we actually had the audacity to touch somebody by the arm and tell them 'Oh my goodness, Austin Police, we're trying to get your attention.' Whew! In other cities, cops are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas," Acevedo said.

I might be insane, but I'm pretty sure the Chief didn't say the jogger should be happy she wasn't raped. I interpret it that he's glad that the worst controversy his department has to face is over the arrest of a jaywalker. 

Read more:  http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/24791433/apd-responds-to-pedestrian- a rrest#ixzz2uArd82s2
 
2014-02-23 02:17:00 PM  
The only thing you should ever say to a cop after identifying yourself is "Please, officer, I have no wish to fight with you".

Past that -- never hit first, always hit last, same as with every other thug.
 
2014-02-23 02:18:25 PM  

MFAWG: Marcus Aurelius: The Austin Police Department has denied that the officers seen in the video were specifically targeting jaywalkers, claiming instead that they were working 'pedestrian enforcement' to ensure traffic safety

Ah.  Police fundraiser and quota filler.

Stephen was one of 28 people who were stopped for jaywalking Thursday

I don't see how anyone could possibly claim that the police were targeting jaywalkers.  Why, the very notion is absurd.

We have hordes of elderly Asian people that basically wander around in traffic down the street from my house. A targeting of jaywalkers isn't necessarily a bad thing.


My daily drive is filled with at least a few jaywalkers and my favorite people... those who decide a red light means cross the street in front of traffic that has a green.

/running a close second are the assclowns who can't be bothered to use the pedestrian crossing twenty feet further down the street
 
2014-02-23 02:18:27 PM  
From the refuse-service-to-teh-gheys bill to this, Austin is really doing the heavy lifting for a Fark Texas tag lately.
 
2014-02-23 02:21:41 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


Not that there is any requirement for the cop to, but all things considered, given the 'severity' of the crime, this might have been a really really good time to DE-escalate the situation, and maybe next time this lady, or someone who heard about it, gets stopped for something trivial they wont blow a gasket.

Or...you could be right and the best choice would be to act down to the clearly already low expectations of the public.  Yeah.  That seems like a good choice.

"Not a big deal given the lack of traffic, but it really is a good idea to stick to marked crosswalks, have a nice day ma'am"  idiot-attention-whore-sitting-on-the-sidewalk "Gee, I look kind of stupid sitting here."

Orrrrr...This.  This whole thing we're debating now.  I suppose we know what the answer is if I ask you to make the call.
 
2014-02-23 02:22:01 PM  

snocone: So that is what goes thru what passes for a mind of the Austin chief?
Explains a lot.


time to start killing cops on sight
they are a clear and present danger to all citizens
and now that the stand your ground for being afraid defense is completely legal, we have legal grounds to shoot them!!!

YAY!!!!
 
2014-02-23 02:22:10 PM  
Didn't we have this conversation yesterday? The cops were, at worst, a little insensitive. The jogger was, at best, a self entitled idiot. And the chief didn't say anything even close to what subby is implying.
 
2014-02-23 02:22:20 PM  
Well, he's right. She should be grateful no night-stick was used.

Student Jaywalking Joggers = cyclists with helmet-cams wearing lycra.

Use a non-electric car like everyone else, you smug douches!

//America, Fark Yeah
///Don't like it? Git out!
 
2014-02-23 02:22:24 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


I'm not a cop, but I probably would have done something like, oh, I dunno, talk to her before grabbing her from behind or breaking out the whoopass.  You know, something on the order of, "Ma'am, no need to get upset.  I'm not going to arrest you, we're just here to remind people that jaywalking is against the law."

But hey - how dare we imply that police in the US could perhaps learn to avoid conflict until absolutely necessary.  I mean, where's the fun in that?  And of course America is so damn dangerous and violent!  God knows, those guys were out there, risking life and limb against deadly... um...  spandex?  Anyway, she was obviously a danger.

/Fark off, pig.  People only call you as a last resort, because they know you're more likely to fark with them than help them.
 
2014-02-23 02:22:57 PM  
Another too-cool-for-the-rules hipster? That's-a-tazin', follered by a beatin.
 
2014-02-23 02:23:17 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Didn't we have this conversation yesterday? The cops were, at worst, a little insensitive. The jogger was, at best, a self entitled idiot. And the chief didn't say anything even close to what subby is implying.


Get out of here with your well-reasoned response.
This is Fark.
 
2014-02-23 02:23:59 PM  
She should run with well armed friends.
 
2014-02-23 02:24:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


All I can do is put myself in her situation. If I was jogging with earbuds and vaguely heard someone shout something at me, I'd assume it was a catcaller, as up till this point in my life, it has been every time. Now the catcaller (in my mind) is grabbing my arm. I'm in fight-or-flight mode at this point trying not to be kidnapped and raped. Now suddenly it's two cops and I'm confused as hell and they're yelling and my hearts still racing and apparently they're reaching for their cuffs or mace or tasers and wtf is happening, I'm going to revert to a toddler and flop down on the ground, because seriously, wtf is happening.

Her reaction wasn't as mature as it could've been, she wasn't at all gracious, but given the circumstances, I think they're justified.

/yes when I jog "possibility for attack" is lurking in the back of my mind
//no, I will not stay inside just because the very real possibility exists, however minuscule.
 
2014-02-23 02:25:03 PM  
'In hindsight I believe the comparison was a poor analogy, and for this I apologize,' reads his statement.

I wonder what PR genius came up with this reply for him.
 
2014-02-23 02:25:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: Benevolent Misanthrope: Now, now, let's not be hasty.  That's not what he said.  He said, "You're lucky we didn't rape you".  He specifically made no guarantees on the statistical probability that they wouldn't.

It's Texas, dude. It's not Rape, it's just surprise sex that she didn't know she wanted. I mean, look at the way she was dressed.


As a Texan, I snicker at your shenanigans..
 
2014-02-23 02:25:54 PM  
If they ever find the guy that shot the video, he'll probably be struck by a large case of guilt and take his own life... by shooting himself in the back of the head with a shotgun... 3 times... and then twice in the back for good measure.
 
2014-02-23 02:26:42 PM  
If the cops have so little to do that standing around tagging jaywalkers is deemed a reasonable use of their time, it's time to start firing cops.

/Preferably out of a cannon.
//Into the sun.
 
2014-02-23 02:27:04 PM  

Seacop: CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.

As a cop grabbing a young woman by the arm from behind, I would understand she'll probably be a little startled. I'd apply common sense and when she looks back after pulling away I'd grab her arm again and make a motion for her to pull out her earbuds. Then I would ask her to be more careful where she crosses and let her on her way. When you have yet to identify yourself as LE and someone pulls away from you it doesn't fall into resisting. And if you're gonna buy the story that she went limp and wasn't "taken down" as described by the eyewitness, I'm calling your judgement skills into question.


Well at least the assault wasn't sexual.
 
2014-02-23 02:31:34 PM  
Was the cop hot?
 
2014-02-23 02:33:15 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


"going limp" is the only safe thing to do around these thugs.

Hold your hands out to be cuffed and they'll walk towards you until they bump your hands : now you're charged with assult on a 'peace' officer.

Put your hands behind your back : "HE'S GOING FOR A WEAPON!!".

Hands up in the air : resisting arrest!
 
2014-02-23 02:34:17 PM  
 
2014-02-23 02:34:27 PM  
Actual quote:
'Whew! In other cities, cops are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas.'

If subtard is going to put something in quotes, how about picking words that were actually spoken?
 
2014-02-23 02:34:47 PM  
Talk about tone deaf, he could have said "well the officers thought she was ignoring them because they didn't see the ear-buds and then she over-reacted to the touch on the arm and the situation escalated from there" and most reasonable people would say OK we see how this could get accidentally out of hand and we move on, but his whole press conference just goes over the edge.  Now I think he must be fired, just for being an idiot and making a relatively minor situation much worse and a PR nightmare.

What happens to the officers involved is more complicated, but I think they totally overreacted as this was obviously an unarmed and caught unawares person.  Strong arm tactics by the police to enforce their whims needs to stop.
 
2014-02-23 02:35:37 PM  

China White Tea: If the cops have so little to do that standing around tagging jaywalkers is deemed a reasonable use of their time, it's time to start firing cops.

/Preferably out of a cannon.
//Into the sun.


Jaywalkers are annoying but yeah, after murder, rape, theft............yadda, yadda, yadda...........wearing white after labor day is taken care of, then tackle the jaywalking epidemic.
 
2014-02-23 02:36:09 PM  

Mugato: He's a "glass is half full" kind of cop.


Yeah. You can add "at least you weren't sexually assaulted" to anything really. Someone bumps into you on the street "Sorry, but at least I didn't sexually assault you". You ding a car parking, leave a note "Here's my insurance info. Sorry, at least I didn't sexually assault you".   Waiter brings you the wrong order, "Sorry sir, but at least I haven't sexually assaulted you".

It's a reminder that you haven't been sexually assaulted yet and you have that going for you. Which is nice.
 
2014-02-23 02:36:19 PM  
Seacop: Then I would ask her to be more careful where she crosses and let her on her way.

That's very likely what would have happened, but it never got to that point. She didn't allow it to get to that point.

And yes, I believe she went limp and wasn't thrown to the ground.
 
2014-02-23 02:37:12 PM  

Enlightened Liberal: "At the end of the day, that officer has to stop them somehow. He didn't tackle her to the ground, you know, it's kind of interesting what passes for controversy in Austin, Texas. Thank you Lord that there's a controversy in Austin, Texas that we actually had the audacity to touch somebody by the arm and tell them 'Oh my goodness, Austin Police, we're trying to get your attention.' Whew! In other cities, cops are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas," Acevedo said.

I might be insane, but I'm pretty sure the Chief didn't say the jogger should be happy she wasn't raped. I interpret it that he's glad that the worst controversy his department has to face is over the arrest of a jaywalker. 

Read more:  http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/24791433/apd-responds-to-pedestrian- a rrest#ixzz2uArd82s2


This. It's the sort of apology a snarky person gives when they are forced to apologize when they don't think they have anything to apologize for.
Now that I have a better idea about what happened, I'm siding with the cops for once. She didn't get beat. She didn't get tazed. She just got stopped by the cops, which she didn't like because she's the queen of the universe, and acted like a spoiled brat.
 
2014-02-23 02:37:25 PM  
There was a court case way back when that said people do not have to identify themselves to officers if they aren't being arrested.

Probably got overturned after 9/11, 'cuz, you know, freedom isn't free.
 
2014-02-23 02:37:39 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: All I can do is put myself in her situation. If I was jogging with earbuds and vaguely heard someone shout something at me, I'd assume it was a catcaller, as up till this point in my life, it has been every time. Now the catcaller (in my mind) is grabbing my arm. I'm in fight-or-flight mode at this point trying not to be kidnapped and raped. Now suddenly it's two cops and I'm confused as hell and they're yelling and my hearts still racing and apparently they're reaching for their cuffs or mace or tasers and wtf is happening, I'm going to revert to a toddler and flop down on the ground, because seriously, wtf is happening.

Her reaction wasn't as mature as it could've been, she wasn't at all gracious, but given the circumstances, I think they're justified.

/yes when I jog "possibility for attack" is lurking in the back of my mind
//no, I will not stay inside just because the very real possibility exists, however minuscule.



So when you jog, you're job is to be situationally aware, right?  You make sure you know what's around you at all times.  You look for suspicious characters so you don't intentionally put yourself in harm's way.  You look for cars.  You look for cracks in the sidewalk.  You look for vans with "free candy" written on the side.  So you'd probably notice two cops in uniform, right?
 
2014-02-23 02:38:07 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Marcus Aurelius: Honey, this is America.  The cops will arrest you any time they damn well please.  And you'd better lick their boots if you don't want a good old fashioned beating.

Okay, please explain what you would do in this circumstance: You're a cop and you stop a pedestrian for crossing against the light. Instead of stopping and talking to you, she sits on the ground, refuses to identify herself and starts making a scene.

You'll note that the article says they stopped 28 people for jaywalking but only issued 7 citations. It's likely she would have gotten a warning, and at worst she would have walked away with a citation. She chose instead to escalate the situation into a physical arrest.


There have been enough cases where a police report has turned out to be pure fiction that I've gotten to the point where I want independent corroboration of any story a cop tells about an incident. Best of all would be a requirement for police to wear tamper-resistant video/audio cameras and record all interactions with the public. It would immediately confirm whose side of the story was true.
 
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