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(Sun Sentinel)   Man whose lawyers stole $275,000 from him and botched his defense, landing him in jail, not only got released from prison but also got his former attorney's lavish home   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 23
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2014-02-23 12:27:49 PM
6 votes:
As it should be.  Next.
2014-02-23 12:37:21 PM
3 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?


'Cause you're a douchenozzle?
2014-02-23 03:09:33 PM
2 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..


I would argue that what the lawyers did was worse. Even the worst defendant should be afforded his/her day in court. To deny someone their right to a fair trial, especially if it's your own client, subverts the system for all of us. Yes, this time it's a person who did the crime. What about a person who didn't do it? What if his lawyer rips him off, skips town, and sabotages his defense? If we want to protect the innocent from this kind of abuse, and I certainly want that, then yes, we have to also protect drug smugglers as well.

It's like why I support the free speech rights of Westboro Baptist Church. By protecting their rights, I also protect my First Amendment rights. It sucks that people I don't like get equal protection, but that means people I DO like also get equal protection.

Which is why, in my view, the lawyers are the worse criminals here.
2014-02-23 02:34:08 PM
2 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Yes, because the gov't always takes 100% of Ill-gotten proceeds back, and don't take one cent more, right, Madhoff?  He laundered money, and I bet the law doesn't always get every cent of it back, even though they try to.


Where drugs are related, the government is EXTREMELY zealous about seizure, and can quite cheerfully seize assets and  make you prove that they weren't sourced from drug trafficking.That didn't happen here.

Now, I realize we've already established that you're dumb, but try to follow along here.  We have what's known as a "legal system" which defines certain rules that everyone has to play by.  If, in playing within the confines of this set of rules, the government wasn't able to make a case for the seizure of that money, it is  legally his.  The fact that it "probably" came from drug trafficking/money laundering is irrelevant.  The fact that some imbecile on fark is certain it did is irrelevant.  It's  legally his, and therefore, within the confines of the legal system, has to be treated as such.  There is no, "Well, it's legally his, but he's kind of an poopy face butthead so we're not going to treat theft of legally-his-property as if it were actual theft," exception.
2014-02-23 02:21:33 PM
2 votes:
It's got nothing to do with "restoring the money to the drug dealer" as some here seem to think.

Attorneys have extremely strict ethical duties to their clients, and the Bar takes them very seriously. Those duties include being a zealous advocate for one's client, a duty of candor to the court, a duty to communicate with the client and the court, to perform the duties contracted with the client and not to charge unconscionable fees.

These attorneys violated every rule in the book, and got caught; the fact that their client was "just" a drug dealer is irrelevant. He's still entitled to diligent advocacy, to having all facts of his case communicated to him, and to have reasonable fees charged--which was why the second attorney was at pains to point out the case should only have cost $50K and not nearly $250K. And if a reduced sentence was part of the deal, he should have gotten it.

This was to punish the attorneys, not to recompense the defendant, who served his time and really is only due basic damages. But they want to send a harsh message to cheating, lying, stealing attorneys, and well they should.
2014-02-23 02:15:05 PM
2 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.

I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.

I'm not sure the money they took from him was really legally acquired, anyway.  I can't explain that to you.  Maybe you're just a sucker for any bleeding-heart story no matter if it puts an an air of innocence on drug smuggling, pedophilia, murder, etc.  Oh no, guy caught smuggling drugs and laundering money was robbed of money that probably wasn't really his anyway.  TBSS.



If the money wasn't seized as part of his drug bust, it was legally "his".  Therefore, it was stolen from him.  Therefore, awarding the house wasn't even remotely overly harsh, and you're dumb.
2014-02-23 12:57:42 PM
2 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..


He committed a crime, and served his time in prison for it.  His crime doesn't excuse his lawyers for not fulfilling their duties.  The entire basis of our legal system is that everyone is entitled to a vigorous defense when accused of a crime.  His attorneys failed to defend him.  That's just as bad a corrupt prosecutors who try to charge innocent people with crimes or who withhold exculpatory evidence.

The system can only work if everyone takes their tasks and duties seriously, and this guy's lawyers made a mockery of it.
2014-02-23 12:34:36 PM
2 votes:
Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?
2014-02-23 12:31:33 PM
2 votes:
Are the lawyers still alive?  Yes?  Then keep going.
2014-02-23 07:55:18 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: BS o9n his "turning his life around" bullshiat.  You're the only idiot falling for it.


No, what we're saying is that  he is entitled to equal protection under the law.  None of your "suspicions" farking matter.  They have no legal or factual importance.  There does not exist - except in your head - a legal status of, "probable scumbag" magically nullifies one's right to equal protection under the law.  Legally, that money was his.  Legally, that money was stolen from him.  Legally, he was entitled to compensation for that theft.
2014-02-23 07:51:52 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: soporific: Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..

I would argue that what the lawyers did was worse. Even the worst defendant should be afforded his/her day in court. To deny someone their right to a fair trial, especially if it's your own client, subverts the system for all of us. Yes, this time it's a person who did the crime. What about a person who didn't do it? What if his lawyer rips him off, skips town, and sabotages his defense? If we want to protect the innocent from this kind of abuse, and I certainly want that, then yes, we have to also protect drug smugglers as well.

It's like why I support the free speech rights of Westboro Baptist Church. By protecting their rights, I also protect my First Amendment rights. It sucks that people I don't like get equal protection, but that means people I DO like also get equal protection.

Which is why, in my view, the lawyers are the worse criminals here.

I'm not denying what the lawyers did was bad.  I'm not seeing the sympathy with some piece of garbage thinking he is undriven snow who deserves hugs and kisses.  He's no more friendly than the guy handing out free 8-balls at your local elementary school.


It's not a matter of sympathy.  It's called "equal protection under the law."  You're advocating against it, because you are stupid.
2014-02-23 03:07:43 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..


No one was smuggling any narcotics in that article. wasnt sure which one you were reading.
2014-02-23 02:28:14 PM
1 votes:
At the risk of waxing piss pious, I think it's high time that we, as a society, ake a long hard look at what we're willing to do to get our hands on these.
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2014-02-23 02:17:35 PM
1 votes:
Is it justice when a person driving their Escalade over the backs of the bruised to whom they sold misery, addiction, and poverty gets what they deserve?  Perhaps.  Is it justice when the very people charged with maintaining the integrity of the judicial process and are it's spokespersons, subvert that process for gain?  Obviously not.  Justice happens when people don't WANT to be douchebags.  Justice happens when everybody WANTS to play fair, not push the edges of the envelope of what they can get away with.  This isn't good guy / bad guy.  This is a stack of bad guys, the lot of them, all conniving for the same gold by any means they can perpetrate, and hiding behind their respective costumes and authority poses.  This is a vat of sh*t with sh*t sprinkles.  And as far as civilization, it can be 1590 for all the difference electricity makes once you walk into the august halls of "justice".
2014-02-23 02:08:21 PM
1 votes:

mainstreet62: Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..

He made a mistake and served his time. His debt to society is paid.

People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?


Humans are judgmental by nature. Asking someone "who are you to judge" is like asking a dog "why do you bark?". You're not going to to get a satisfying answer either way.

That said, while I have no sympathy for the drug dealer, he did serve his time and is supposedly turning his life around, so there's that. The two lawyers broke the law and screwed with the guy's life because "who's going to care what happens to a lowlife drug dealer anyway?". Apparently a federal judge and what appears to be a decent lawyer do care, and now the scumbag lawyers are serving their time just like the scumbag drug dealer did.

Somehow though, I don't think the lawyers will learn from their time behind bars.
2014-02-23 01:29:18 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.


I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.
2014-02-23 01:16:44 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: RoyBatty: mainstreet62: People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?

I guess my issue is that it sounds as though the riches ripped off from him were pretty ill gotten to begin with. So restoring those riches to him doesn't seem to balance all of the scales.

I know plenty of people farked over by lawyers through incompetence or malfeasance who have had no ability to do anything other than just suck it up.

Exactly.  Where did this guy get the 275g that he lost?  I'm fairly sure that the lawyers thought they could get away with what they did because they thought the guy wouldn't/couldn't come back at them.


It says right in TFA that the money came from Coulton's family and the short sale of his house to pay overly inflated legal bills.
If it was dirty money, do you really think the feds would have left it for the lawyers to grab? Hell no, they wouldn't.
2014-02-23 12:57:02 PM
1 votes:
I think it's interesting that the lawyers are required to pay back money that was obtained through the illegal activity that he was found guilty of. I mean the guy definitely got shafted...but, I'm not sure he's entitled to the drug money.
2014-02-23 12:50:47 PM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.


How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.
2014-02-23 12:45:55 PM
1 votes:

Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.


sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.
2014-02-23 12:40:12 PM
1 votes:
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2014-02-23 12:39:52 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?


Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..
2014-02-23 12:29:50 PM
1 votes:
Stop trying to make the Florida tag look good, subby
 
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