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(Sun Sentinel)   Man whose lawyers stole $275,000 from him and botched his defense, landing him in jail, not only got released from prison but also got his former attorney's lavish home   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 75
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2014-02-23 12:27:49 PM
As it should be.  Next.
 
2014-02-23 12:29:50 PM
Stop trying to make the Florida tag look good, subby
 
2014-02-23 12:31:33 PM
Are the lawyers still alive?  Yes?  Then keep going.
 
2014-02-23 12:34:36 PM
Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?
 
2014-02-23 12:36:58 PM
So when does Hollywood call for the movie rights?
 
2014-02-23 12:37:21 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?


'Cause you're a douchenozzle?
 
2014-02-23 12:38:35 PM
I wish my lawyer would get a good farking.

/I was in an accident and he got almost all the money from the lawsuit.
 
2014-02-23 12:39:06 PM

Mad Scientist: Are the lawyers still alive?  Yes?  Then keep going.


It's a start.
 
2014-02-23 12:39:29 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?


That's the thing, kinda hard to feel sympathy for anyone there.

:0
 
2014-02-23 12:39:52 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?


Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..
 
2014-02-23 12:40:12 PM
img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-02-23 12:41:21 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?


Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.
 
2014-02-23 12:41:56 PM
Maybe even your wallet.
 
2014-02-23 12:44:18 PM
that broke bastards bed is soft a s***
 
2014-02-23 12:45:55 PM

Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.


sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.
 
2014-02-23 12:46:09 PM
i1.ytimg.com

The law talking guy should have gotten DiretTV
 
2014-02-23 12:48:30 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..


He made a mistake and served his time. His debt to society is paid.

People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?
 
2014-02-23 12:50:47 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.


How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.
 
2014-02-23 12:53:22 PM
I'm wondering why the Sun-Sentinel posted this article like it was news - all of this happened back in 2012: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-08-16/news/fl-bad-lawyers-testi f y-20120816_1_roy-and-mayas-peter-mayas-federal-court
 
2014-02-23 12:56:58 PM
 
2014-02-23 12:57:02 PM
I think it's interesting that the lawyers are required to pay back money that was obtained through the illegal activity that he was found guilty of. I mean the guy definitely got shafted...but, I'm not sure he's entitled to the drug money.
 
2014-02-23 12:57:42 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..


He committed a crime, and served his time in prison for it.  His crime doesn't excuse his lawyers for not fulfilling their duties.  The entire basis of our legal system is that everyone is entitled to a vigorous defense when accused of a crime.  His attorneys failed to defend him.  That's just as bad a corrupt prosecutors who try to charge innocent people with crimes or who withhold exculpatory evidence.

The system can only work if everyone takes their tasks and duties seriously, and this guy's lawyers made a mockery of it.
 
2014-02-23 12:58:30 PM

mainstreet62: People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?


I guess my issue is that it sounds as though the riches ripped off from him were pretty ill gotten to begin with. So restoring those riches to him doesn't seem to balance all of the scales.

I know plenty of people farked over by lawyers through incompetence or malfeasance who have had no ability to do anything other than just suck it up.
 
2014-02-23 12:59:17 PM

Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.


I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.
 
2014-02-23 01:02:18 PM
So you are not allowed to steal from drug dealers any more?
 
2014-02-23 01:03:14 PM

cgremlin: Not really a "lavish" home: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/sfl-client-gets-bad-atto r neys-3,0,825953.photo


Maybe not lavish, but certainly upscale.  It looks like recent construction, CBS, tile roof, brick driveway, and looks to be a nice neighborhood (I think I see a pool in the background).
 
2014-02-23 01:08:53 PM

RoyBatty: mainstreet62: People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?

I guess my issue is that it sounds as though the riches ripped off from him were pretty ill gotten to begin with. So restoring those riches to him doesn't seem to balance all of the scales.

I know plenty of people farked over by lawyers through incompetence or malfeasance who have had no ability to do anything other than just suck it up.


Exactly.  Where did this guy get the 275g that he lost?  I'm fairly sure that the lawyers thought they could get away with what they did because they thought the guy wouldn't/couldn't come back at them.
 
2014-02-23 01:12:10 PM
Drug laws shouldn't exist if people want to do digs in their own home the should have that right. Even states are starting to recognize this fact with legalization of pot
 
2014-02-23 01:16:44 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: RoyBatty: mainstreet62: People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?

I guess my issue is that it sounds as though the riches ripped off from him were pretty ill gotten to begin with. So restoring those riches to him doesn't seem to balance all of the scales.

I know plenty of people farked over by lawyers through incompetence or malfeasance who have had no ability to do anything other than just suck it up.

Exactly.  Where did this guy get the 275g that he lost?  I'm fairly sure that the lawyers thought they could get away with what they did because they thought the guy wouldn't/couldn't come back at them.


It says right in TFA that the money came from Coulton's family and the short sale of his house to pay overly inflated legal bills.
If it was dirty money, do you really think the feds would have left it for the lawyers to grab? Hell no, they wouldn't.
 
2014-02-23 01:16:54 PM
Drugs even
 
2014-02-23 01:18:39 PM
So he got proceeds back from his former life as a drug smuggler?

Huh, sometimes crime does pay.
 
2014-02-23 01:25:32 PM
A really good friend of mine got a law degree.  He went from a really great, friendly, fun guy to a sonofabiatch just as soon as he passed the bar.  I'm not kidding.  One minute he's the kind of guy you would love to watch a game with and have beers, then all of a sudden he's this guy who's a cynical, evil, wants-to-sue everything with more than a penny guy.  You just can't stand to be around him now.  I thought I was just being a jerk about him, but all of our mutual friends really don't like him now, and one of the guys says his only friends are other lawyers now.

So do they teach you how to be an asshole in law school?  Or does success at law school demand you to be an asshole?  Or are they pod-people?
 
2014-02-23 01:27:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: cgremlin: Not really a "lavish" home: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/sfl-client-gets-bad-atto r neys-3,0,825953.photo

Maybe not lavish, but certainly upscale.  It looks like recent construction, CBS, tile roof, brick driveway, and looks to be a nice neighborhood (I think I see a pool in the background).


Miramar is not upscale.   That's just the newer boom housing out west probably.  It'll turn 'dark' just like the rest of Miramar in a short while.
 
2014-02-23 01:29:04 PM

buzzcut73: Dr Jack Badofsky: RoyBatty: mainstreet62: People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?

I guess my issue is that it sounds as though the riches ripped off from him were pretty ill gotten to begin with. So restoring those riches to him doesn't seem to balance all of the scales.

I know plenty of people farked over by lawyers through incompetence or malfeasance who have had no ability to do anything other than just suck it up.

Exactly.  Where did this guy get the 275g that he lost?  I'm fairly sure that the lawyers thought they could get away with what they did because they thought the guy wouldn't/couldn't come back at them.

It says right in TFA that the money came from Coulton's family and the short sale of his house to pay overly inflated legal bills.
If it was dirty money, do you really think the feds would have left it for the lawyers to grab? Hell no, they wouldn't.


I hear what you're saying, but these items sound more like bought by this guy's drug proceeds than paid for by his mother and father out of their retirement plans:

Among the long list of property Roy and Mayas took from Coulton were a Coconut Creek townhome he rented out, a Porsche Cayenne, tens of thousands of dollars in cash and jewelry - including a gold medal he bought at the Vatican
.
Coulton was even billed for the cost of flying Roy and his wife to England where Roy personally removed a $23,000 wedding and engagement ring set from the finger of Coulton's then-wife, after a breakfast meeting in London, according to court testimony.


So yes, I am irked this guy now has a nice home out of this. Sounds like a form of money laundering. The pain I suffered at the hands of my own attorney place me  squarely in an apartment with little hope of buying a home.
 
2014-02-23 01:29:18 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.


I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.
 
2014-02-23 01:37:17 PM

Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.

I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.


I'm not sure the money they took from him was really legally acquired, anyway.  I can't explain that to you.  Maybe you're just a sucker for any bleeding-heart story no matter if it puts an an air of innocence on drug smuggling, pedophilia, murder, etc.  Oh no, guy caught smuggling drugs and laundering money was robbed of money that probably wasn't really his anyway.  TBSS.
 
2014-02-23 01:39:52 PM
Now one of the lawyers is serving more time than his victim got.
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-23 01:43:51 PM

cgremlin: Not really a "lavish" home: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/sfl-client-gets-bad-atto r neys-3,0,825953.photo


It's still in a "gated community" (code words for "we wanna keep the darkies out"). Places like those are always filled with jerks who have a dim view of anyone who's not rich and Aryan white.

Now they have one of THEM in their community living amongst them. AND a former felon at that.

I bet the local security alarm companies made a fortune selling upgraded packages to all the neighbors.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:16 PM

Aquapope: A really good friend of mine got a law degree.  He went from a really great, friendly, fun guy to a sonofabiatch just as soon as he passed the bar.  I'm not kidding.  One minute he's the kind of guy you would love to watch a game with and have beers, then all of a sudden he's this guy who's a cynical, evil, wants-to-sue everything with more than a penny guy.  You just can't stand to be around him now.  I thought I was just being a jerk about him, but all of our mutual friends really don't like him now, and one of the guys says his only friends are other lawyers now.

So do they teach you how to be an asshole in law school?  Or does success at law school demand you to be an asshole?  Or are they pod-people?


I know a few decent lawyers who are good people who I hang around.  To give examples, one works trying to protect people from unscrupulous banks ("we have no record of that mortgage payment you made and will ignore your cancelled check") and tradespeople (you know those guys who scam old people by convincing them their roof is damaged, etc), a good man working for a non-profit who fights for people who are getting screwed.  Another is working to get the state to work to overturn Citizens United via a constitutional amendment, and has worked (among other things) to promote voting and civil rights for decades.

I know a few more and they are out there.  I think most just do their jobs, and try to represent their client to the best of their ability.  Like most professions we hear about the worst of them, and its hard to decide what the % of jerks really is in the end.
 
2014-02-23 01:57:38 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.

I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.

I'm not sure the money they took from him was really legally acquired, anyway.  I can't explain that to you.  Maybe you're just a sucker for any bleeding-heart story no matter if it puts an an air of innocence on drug smuggling, pedophilia, murder, etc.  Oh no, guy caught smuggling drugs and laundering money was robbed of money that probably wasn't really his anyway.  TBSS.


though it's perfectly legal when big pharma and banks do it.

if these atty's did this to some guys further up the distribution chain they would not be currently breathing
 
2014-02-23 01:58:39 PM

Aquapope: A really good friend of mine got a law degree.  He went from a really great, friendly, fun guy to a sonofabiatch just as soon as he passed the bar.  I'm not kidding.  One minute he's the kind of guy you would love to watch a game with and have beers, then all of a sudden he's this guy who's a cynical, evil, wants-to-sue everything with more than a penny guy.  You just can't stand to be around him now.  I thought I was just being a jerk about him, but all of our mutual friends really don't like him now, and one of the guys says his only friends are other lawyers now.

So do they teach you how to be an asshole in law school?  Or does success at law school demand you to be an asshole?  Or are they pod-people?


I must have gotten lucky with my Ch.13 Bankruptcy lawyer, then. i have absolutely nothing bad to say about him.

/ OTOH, that was many years ago, maybe the "legal" culture has changed since the '90's....
 
2014-02-23 02:00:02 PM
Ah, the criminal justice system.  Bring money.  Lots of it.  You'll rarely get justice but BMW dealers gotta eat.
 
2014-02-23 02:01:19 PM
As soon as any "profession", legal or otherwise, develops a "culture", run.  Run far away and run more.
 
2014-02-23 02:01:52 PM
Gott damn lawyers get called slime and sleazeballs alot but these guys define that stereotype to a T.   They deserve every punishment they get.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:48 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Aquapope: A really good friend of mine got a law degree.  He went from a really great, friendly, fun guy to a sonofabiatch just as soon as he passed the bar.  I'm not kidding.  One minute he's the kind of guy you would love to watch a game with and have beers, then all of a sudden he's this guy who's a cynical, evil, wants-to-sue everything with more than a penny guy.  You just can't stand to be around him now.  I thought I was just being a jerk about him, but all of our mutual friends really don't like him now, and one of the guys says his only friends are other lawyers now.

So do they teach you how to be an asshole in law school?  Or does success at law school demand you to be an asshole?  Or are they pod-people?

I must have gotten lucky with my Ch.13 Bankruptcy lawyer, then. i have absolutely nothing bad to say about him.

/ OTOH, that was many years ago, maybe the "legal" culture has changed since the '90's....


My last lawyer was a pretty good guy, and a very good attorney. The good guy part ended up being a ruse as far as I can tell...he's now serving prison time for vehicular manslaughter, and just got more time added to his stay because he was convicted of fraud for stealing from his old firm to start his own office.

As far as I can tell, the money that was in the trust account from the retainer is long gone. It wasn't a lot, but it still burns my ass. I -could- sue to recover, but the judgement wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on, that dude has nothing left.

I'm not sure if it is the profession that makes people assholes, or if assholes are naturally attracted to that profession (well, that and getting a MBA). Kind of a chicken and egg thing I guess.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:21 PM

mainstreet62: Dr Jack Badofsky: Sin_City_Superhero: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

'Cause you're a douchenozzle?

Lol, no.  I hate what the lawyers did, but smuggling narcotics isn't any better..

He made a mistake and served his time. His debt to society is paid.

People make mistakes in life. Who are you to judge?


Humans are judgmental by nature. Asking someone "who are you to judge" is like asking a dog "why do you bark?". You're not going to to get a satisfying answer either way.

That said, while I have no sympathy for the drug dealer, he did serve his time and is supposedly turning his life around, so there's that. The two lawyers broke the law and screwed with the guy's life because "who's going to care what happens to a lowlife drug dealer anyway?". Apparently a federal judge and what appears to be a decent lawyer do care, and now the scumbag lawyers are serving their time just like the scumbag drug dealer did.

Somehow though, I don't think the lawyers will learn from their time behind bars.
 
2014-02-23 02:15:05 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.

I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.

I'm not sure the money they took from him was really legally acquired, anyway.  I can't explain that to you.  Maybe you're just a sucker for any bleeding-heart story no matter if it puts an an air of innocence on drug smuggling, pedophilia, murder, etc.  Oh no, guy caught smuggling drugs and laundering money was robbed of money that probably wasn't really his anyway.  TBSS.



If the money wasn't seized as part of his drug bust, it was legally "his".  Therefore, it was stolen from him.  Therefore, awarding the house wasn't even remotely overly harsh, and you're dumb.
 
2014-02-23 02:17:14 PM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Tchernobog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Hmm.  Why don't I feel bad for a drug smuggler getting the shaft?

Well, you've most assuredly done something illegal in your lifetime.

Gimme you farking wallet.

sure I have, but moving violations are a completely different type of crime than illegally trafficking unmonitored controlled substances that ruin lots of lives (both directly and indirectly).  And, rest assured, when I am caught, the response is the same as yours.  Just that the government is better at following through with their demands.

How's that?  Sure they're different classes of crime, but you're still advocating something illegal as retribution for something illegal.

I bet somebody has said something about two wrongs before.

I'm saying I don't see how this is the uproar that the writer is making out of it.  Guy engages directly in activity that poisons people to the point that they ruin entire families, and he gets a few extra years to think about it.  Are the lawyers scumbags?  Sure.  They should have responded when contacted.  Awarding a house is overly harsh on the lawyer, though.

I'm not sure how, exactly, I can explain theft to you in another way.  The lawyers stole from him.

Maybe you're just dumb.

I'm not sure the money they took from him was really legally acquired, anyway.  I can't explain that to you.  Maybe you're just a sucker for any bleeding-heart story no matter if it puts an an air of innocence on drug smuggling, pedophilia, murder, etc.  Oh no, guy caught smuggling drugs and laundering money was robbed of money that probably wasn't really his anyway.  TBSS.

though it's perfectly legal when big pharma and banks do it.

if these atty's did this to some guys further up the distribution chain they would not be currently breathing


I can only hope they get prosecuted, too.  That day can't come soon enough, but I won't hold my breath, especially when cronies of said companies always get put in charge of government agencies, and fork tons of cash at congressmen.  How else do you explain legal insider trading for congresspeople?
 
2014-02-23 02:17:35 PM
Is it justice when a person driving their Escalade over the backs of the bruised to whom they sold misery, addiction, and poverty gets what they deserve?  Perhaps.  Is it justice when the very people charged with maintaining the integrity of the judicial process and are it's spokespersons, subvert that process for gain?  Obviously not.  Justice happens when people don't WANT to be douchebags.  Justice happens when everybody WANTS to play fair, not push the edges of the envelope of what they can get away with.  This isn't good guy / bad guy.  This is a stack of bad guys, the lot of them, all conniving for the same gold by any means they can perpetrate, and hiding behind their respective costumes and authority poses.  This is a vat of sh*t with sh*t sprinkles.  And as far as civilization, it can be 1590 for all the difference electricity makes once you walk into the august halls of "justice".
 
2014-02-23 02:20:35 PM

interstellar_tedium: Another is working to get the state to work to overturn Citizens United via a constitutional amendment, and has worked (among other things) to promote voting and civil rights for decades.


What would that accomplish? CU settled federal law and Constitutional issues. It's not subject to state action.
 
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