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(NYPost)   NY Post slams Murry Bergtraum HS as the city's worst; outraged administrators encourage students to write back...and thus confirm the Post's story. Pricipal caught sayof, indeed   (nypost.com) divider line 130
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2014-02-23 11:26:18 AM  
Well, this is awfully mean spirited.
 
2014-02-23 12:50:22 PM  

thamike: Well, this is awfully mean spirited.


Yeah, but WTF?

One student said the online system beats the classroom because "you can digest in the information at your own paste."
 
2014-02-23 01:10:07 PM  

Lsherm: thamike: Well, this is awfully mean spirited.

Yeah, but WTF?

One student said the online system beats the classroom because "you can digest in the information at your own paste."


Autocorrect, or a bad habit.
 
2014-02-23 01:27:57 PM  
Um...like...thats unpossible.
 
2014-02-23 01:28:15 PM  
I dunno man, in high school and still eating paste?
 
2014-02-23 01:30:43 PM  
But do they teach sex ed at this school? They need to know how is babby formed. I feel sorry for their lots.
 
2014-02-23 01:32:56 PM  
Of course any correspondence from modern teens is going to be filled with errors. The only way you can get them to stop texting is to break their thumbs. But are we much better? I can touch type faster than I can speak when I'm on a roll, alas the backspace key is right there to undo mistakes. I would suck on a typewriter, at least until I learned to think out my typing. And writing... Could you imagine the number of drafts you'd have to make to produce a good letter?
 
2014-02-23 01:33:35 PM  
Kinda lame for the Post to dump on the kids like that, but I can't say the principal didn't lead them to slaughter on this.
 
2014-02-23 01:33:46 PM  
Sound like future Wall Streeters to me.
 
2014-02-23 01:35:11 PM  
So join now, 'cause at the Murry Bergtraum High School Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, we teach you that there's more to life than just being really, really, really good looking. Right kids?
 
2014-02-23 01:37:11 PM  
At least he didn't use the kids names.
 
2014-02-23 01:37:18 PM  
I'd say a perpetuation of the unions and Democrat voting machine.
 
2014-02-23 01:38:18 PM  
Oh, Murr!
 
2014-02-23 01:38:38 PM  

Billy Liar: Sound like future Wall Streeters to me.


Yeah, maybe the kind of Wall Streeters standing on the corner panhandling. They sound more like future/current readers of the NY Post.
 
2014-02-23 01:39:08 PM  
Look like standard blended errors.
 
2014-02-23 01:39:34 PM  
But do they serve breakfast and lunch for those in need? If so, then there's no problem.
 
2014-02-23 01:40:47 PM  
Meh, this blogger is just coming off of an extended campaign to remove a principal who was an honest to god cruella deville from another school, I'll give her a pass for using irony against this school.
 
2014-02-23 01:41:55 PM  

Mean Daddy: I'd say a perpetuation of the unions and Democrat voting machine.


Yeah, you would... because everything has to be politicized. I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with no child left behind.
 
2014-02-23 01:43:20 PM  
I'll bet the school's Super Nintendo is furious....
 
2014-02-23 01:43:20 PM  
I dont won't to seam passay, butt based on what I read on Facebook it looks too me to be for all intensive purposes pretty much par for the course its even better then some I see.
 
2014-02-23 01:43:37 PM  
Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.
 
2014-02-23 01:46:16 PM  

No Soap Radio: . We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now


Ha ha ha
 
2014-02-23 01:46:19 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I dont won't to seam passay, butt based on what I read on Facebook it looks too me to be for all intensive purposes pretty much par for the course its even better then some I see.


i1126.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-23 01:52:10 PM  

Arachnophobe: Krymson Tyde: I dont won't to seam passay, butt based on what I read on Facebook it looks too me to be for all intensive purposes pretty much par for the course its even better then some I see.


That is more than a mouthful.
 
2014-02-23 01:52:42 PM  

No Soap Radio: Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.


THIS. It's as though you teach in my district and we've grumbled together at staff meetings...
 
2014-02-23 01:53:51 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Um...like...thats unpossible.


Me fail English?
 
2014-02-23 01:54:21 PM  

TV's Vinnie: But do they teach sex ed at this school? They need to know how is babby formed. I feel sorry for their lots.


My parys are wiht the fahter.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:07 PM  
Hundreds of students are over-age and behind schedule.

"If you give your kid a ride to school -- because you're in the same class -- you might be a redneck Murry Bergtraum parent."
 
2014-02-23 01:55:07 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I dont won't to seam passay, butt based on what I read on Facebook it looks too me to be for all intensive purposes pretty much par for the course coarseits even better then some I see.


FTFY.
 
2014-02-23 01:56:29 PM  

thamike: Well, this is awfully mean spirited.


They earned it.
 
2014-02-23 01:58:41 PM  
It sounds like they took some cues from some of the for-profit "universities.". I took one (and only one) class through Strayer and learned essentially nothing. Got a big ok A tho, and recognition for that "achievement" as though I had actually done something worth recognition.
 
2014-02-23 02:00:44 PM  
Pricipal?

thatsthejoke.jpg?
 
2014-02-23 02:01:33 PM  

No Soap Radio: Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.


If they can't perform to standard, they don't deserve to graduate. Period.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:03 PM  

thamike: Lsherm: thamike: Well, this is awfully mean spirited.

Yeah, but WTF?

One student said the online system beats the classroom because "you can digest in the information at your own paste."

Autocorrect, or a bad habit.


Most of those letters read like some teacher said, "Hey, write and say in your letter that [blah blah blah]," and the students' ability to understand and transcribe those thoughts was as poor as the Post says their education has been.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:24 PM  
Sad Panda. I was gonna post this with the headline "You can digest in the information at your own paste."

/shakes tiny panda fist
 
2014-02-23 02:02:25 PM  

Arachnophobe: Krymson Tyde: I dont won't to seam passay, butt based on what I read on Facebook it looks too me to be for all intensive purposes pretty much par for the course its even better then some I see.

[i1126.photobucket.com image 500x401]


i762.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-23 02:04:00 PM  
I really looks like a "concerned teacher" dictated the letters, and the students couldn't transcribe worth a damn.
 
2014-02-23 02:04:09 PM  
I taught for a different for-profit "university" and they would ding you if your classroom grade average was too high (for what that is worth).
 
2014-02-23 02:07:13 PM  

JesusJuice: No Soap Radio: Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.

If they can't perform to standard, they don't deserve to graduate. Period.


Which is a nice and tidy thing to say, except when the standards are poorly designed and implemented. I'm sure you know that much of the NY model and most of the upcoming Common Core standards were written not by educators or education professionals, but by the business community and ALEC, yes? I'm sure you're also aware that standardized testing first came about because high school graduates in, say, Massachusetts, were fairly well prepared but graduates in Texas could barely read. The standardization model was to ensure that everyone at least met a minimum standard for graduation. Our minimum standard now in some states mandates mastery of advanced algebra/pre-calculus. Do you think that someone who doesn't do well with those things should get a diploma? I do
 
2014-02-23 02:08:20 PM  
I could care less about what that rag called NY Post could say about students trying the learn.
 
2014-02-23 02:12:17 PM  

No Soap Radio: Our minimum standard now in some states mandates mastery of advanced algebra/pre-calculus. Do you think that someone who doesn't do well with those things should get a diploma? I do


But STEM. And the information age. And the knowledge-based economy.
 
2014-02-23 02:13:05 PM  

Mean Daddy: I'd say a perpetuation of the unions and Democrat voting machine.


1) I'm sure the kids are doing so much better in Republican-ruled right-to-mooch-off-the-union states.

2) If you're going to slag off on public education, you might do well to get it through your head that "Democrat" is not an adjective.
 
2014-02-23 02:17:34 PM  
What can you expect from inner city kids? Chances are their parents don't speak proper English which doesn't help their situation at all. Luckily, I survived public school in NYC. I dropped out of school when I had the chance (the public school system there is a complete joke). The fact that school staff treat this issue with such apathy is no surprise, either. This has been going on for years in every school district throughout NYC.
 
2014-02-23 02:18:51 PM  
The Post is ragging on someone's grammar, writing and spelling? Only The Daily Mail has drunker copy editors.
 
2014-02-23 02:18:56 PM  

techgeek07: At least he didn't use the kids names

 kidses name.

Blended that for ya
 
2014-02-23 02:18:57 PM  

Billy Liar: Sound like future Wall Streeters to me.


You may be more correct than you realize.
FTA:<i> "Manhattan's Murry Bergtraum HS <b>for Business Careers</b>"</i> (emphasis added)

I actually considered majoring in "Business" in the early portion of my overlong college education. I changed my mind when I saw what kind of "students", in general, were in that major.
 
2014-02-23 02:20:28 PM  
(Dagnabbit, FARK.COM...)
Obviously I didn't major in Fark Comment Interface Design.
 
2014-02-23 02:21:13 PM  

No Soap Radio: JesusJuice: No Soap Radio: Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.

If they can't perform to standard, they don't deserve to graduate. Period.

Which is a nice and tidy thing to say, except when the standards are poorly designed and implemented. I'm sure you know that much of the NY model and most of the upcoming Common Core standards were written not by educators or education professionals, but by the business community and ALEC, yes? I'm sure you're also aware that standardized testing first came about because high school graduates in, say, Massachusetts, were fairly well prepared but graduates in Texas could barely read. The standardization model was to ensure that everyone at least met a minimum standard for graduation. Our minimum standard now in some states mandates mastery of advanced algebra/pre-calculus. Do you think that someone who doesn't do well with those things should get a diploma? I do


It doesn't matter what you and I think, what matters is adhering to standards so that the diploma actually has meaning. A HS diploma should certify competence in certain core skills, it can't do so if we let people through who fail to meet expectations.

No one is automatically entitled to a diploma.
 
2014-02-23 02:21:39 PM  
JesusJuice:

If they can't perform to standard, they don't deserve to graduate. Period.

Yes but that misses the point: we can't agree on what the standards are. For some people, simply getting the kid out of school is the standard. America is filled with standardized tests and core curriculums and it hasn't helped one bit. Why?. Because school professionals are going to do what they are told to. If the state measures success by graduation rates the school will figure out a way to graduate students. If the state grades the student's based upon tests scores, teachers are going to teach to the test.  If the school implements a core curriculum academic advisers will shuffle the kids through all the courses.

When a country doesn't know what it wants it is going to whatever. We get whatever in American education not because of bad teaching or dumb students. We get poor educational results because there is no consensus on what we want.
 
2014-02-23 02:24:24 PM  

JesusJuice: No Soap Radio: JesusJuice: No Soap Radio: Online, virtual or "blended" learning has been an abject failure in K-12 education. It might sound good and score some points for using technology but it isn't an effective tool for instruction unless used in close conjunction with an instructor and face-to-face meetings.

However, from a quick skim, it appears this program is created specifically for kids who might not otherwise graduate. It's obvious from the quotes (though I'm sure they are cherry-picked by the NYP) that kids aren't adept writers but doesn't necessarily preclude them from being high school graduates. We impose some pretty extreme standards to get a diploma now -- a standardization model run amok -- that disproportionately affects students in poor urban areas, particularly those of color.

If they can't perform to standard, they don't deserve to graduate. Period.

Which is a nice and tidy thing to say, except when the standards are poorly designed and implemented. I'm sure you know that much of the NY model and most of the upcoming Common Core standards were written not by educators or education professionals, but by the business community and ALEC, yes? I'm sure you're also aware that standardized testing first came about because high school graduates in, say, Massachusetts, were fairly well prepared but graduates in Texas could barely read. The standardization model was to ensure that everyone at least met a minimum standard for graduation. Our minimum standard now in some states mandates mastery of advanced algebra/pre-calculus. Do you think that someone who doesn't do well with those things should get a diploma? I do

It doesn't matter what you and I think, what matters is adhering to standards so that the diploma actually has meaning. A HS diploma should certify competence in certain core skills, it can't do so if we let people through who fail to meet expectations.

No one is automatically entitled to a diploma.


And with said high school diploma they go looking for a job and, for some unknown reason, can't find one. Yet they have a high school diploma just like all the other high school graduates. Must be some other, more nefarious reason why these kids aren't getting hired.
 
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