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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   If you thought KISS being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was a joke before, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley have made sure that it will now be a total farce   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 132
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2014-02-23 08:45:21 PM

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

Bob Welch didn't get included with Fleetwood Mac.

Mystery To Me > Rumours

 
2014-02-23 08:47:45 PM

Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".


this
 
2014-02-23 09:04:46 PM

rattchett: MFAWG: rattchett: My condolences to them.MFAWG: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.

My condolences to them.   Music can be easy.  Or music can good.  Laziness, in all things, is the path of least resistance.  Pap is easy - quality takes effort.

Oh, you're THAT guy.

Guys like you hated the Ramones at the time.

And you're missing the point: since nobody ever really heard the Ramones on the radio, most record stores didn't carry the records.

No  ... I don't believe I know you or you know me.  You think you're clever in surmising who I am.  But you're wrong.  You don't know me, what I think, or who I am.   Go back to bed, give your head a shake and try again.


No, I know who you are. You really are THAT guy. You're the pretentious douchebag in the room.

Jokes on you, because the entire farking point of the Ramones was an utter lack of pretentiousness.
 
2014-02-23 09:19:55 PM
It should be called The Rock & Roll Hall of Very Well-Known Popular Music Acts.

Whatta loada bullshiat.
 
2014-02-23 09:48:57 PM

John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.


I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.
 
2014-02-23 09:57:25 PM

mafiageek1980: John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.

I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.


Can't disagree with most of what you said (other than Madonna doesn't deserve to be there any more than ABBA)
 
2014-02-23 10:08:27 PM
The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted

LOL
 
2014-02-23 10:11:12 PM

gilgigamesh: As much as I dislike Kiss, they deserve to be in. I mean come on. They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.


No, no they most certainly did not. They were, and still are, an embarrassment with shiatty songs.
 
2014-02-23 10:13:23 PM

DundieAwardWinner: SilentStrider: Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.


Deep Purple still isn't in.

Los Lobos Still isn't in the RRHOF, and this year is their 40th anniversary (and they're still going strong). I've known them as friends for years and have seen many of their live shows, and have never seen them do a bad live show. I know I'm biased, but man, they never phone it in.

/Los Lobos Does Disney and Kiko are still two of my favorites.


Los Lobos should absolutely be in there, along with Deep Purple, as others have mentioned.
 
2014-02-23 10:19:01 PM

RectalDamage: The rock and roll hall of fame lost all creditabilty when they let Rush in.


Hey, that Take off to the Great White North song was awesome, dood.
 
2014-02-23 11:09:12 PM

John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.

I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.

Can't disagree with most of what you said (other than Madonna doesn't deserve to be there any more than ABBA)


Madonna (along with the rap question, which, I feel DOES have a place in the hall) will always be debated on if she should be in. I don't give a shiat about her either way. Hell, both sides have made good points on her being in there/not having any business being in there.  It's one of those arguments about the RNRHOF I prefer to stay out of, lol!
 
2014-02-23 11:28:07 PM

mafiageek1980: Madonna (along with the rap question, which, I feel DOES have a place in the hall) will always be debated on if she should be in. I don't give a shiat about her either way.


That's pretty much my viewpoint, as the R & R HOF (or any HOF, for that matter) is a joke.
 
2014-02-23 11:57:34 PM

rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!


Yeah really guys, the Ramones were creating art!

Exhibit A:

"Beat On The Brat"

Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat
Oh yeah, oh yeah, uh-oh.

What can you do?
What can you do?
With a brat like that always on your back
What can you do? (lose?)

 See? That's deep and meaningful and not all a joke like KISS could be at their worst. I even like the Ramones and yes they influence a lot of bands, but the influence was more from their attitude than talent. They played three chords fast and had irreverent fun sing-along songs. That's about it.

/I actually like the Ramones
 
2014-02-24 12:09:49 AM
Marshmallow Jones, here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZ5etq1jH4
a '76 signing @ the flagship Peaches Store in ATL filmed on Super-8, taking Ace into a vacant lot behind the place to obvsly sober him up is hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzve-Tmd70
 
2014-02-24 12:35:07 AM
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

A band now consists entirely of its leader. How many popular bands from back in the day only have 1 original member? This isn't a new thing, don't get me wrong. But it's retarded for Billy Corgan to say he's 'bringing back' the Smashing Pumpkins when he's the only returning member. Van Halen got better when Sammy Hagar was with them, but then they eventually fired Michael Anthony and replaced him with Eddie's son?

I love music, but we live in an era where pretentious cockbags with ego issues and a penchant for being control freaks dictate what a band consists of, and the music industry backs them up.

I didn't see Paul McCartney kick John Lennon out of the band and grab some other musician to be the 'new' fourth Beatle. Can anyone imagine just how insane that would have been? You can't have the Beatles without John Lennon, but in this day and age that would have been accepted without incident. At least Liam and Noel Gallagher had enough sense to not 'restart' the band with only one of the brothers returning and hand-picking the rest of the band, and let the band die (for now).

And if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't going to extend a band to encompass every person who ever played with them, what's the point? I know you can't have every member of KISS playing at once, but it just goes to show how bands are now brands, owned entirely by the leader. In which case it should really just be "Gene Simmons" inducted into the hall of fame.
 
2014-02-24 12:54:14 AM
No Deep Purple, No Yes...and they call themselves credible? Bah.
 
2014-02-24 01:40:25 AM
No one remembers Fogerty playing his hits with Broooce and Robbie Robertson, and Clifford and Cook walking out?
at least KISS wear makeup, most people won't   know or care who Simmons/Stanley are onstage with
.
 
2014-02-24 02:06:19 AM

Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

A band now consists entirely of its leader. How many popular bands from back in the day only have 1 original member? This isn't a new thing, don't get me wrong. But it's retarded for Billy Corgan to say he's 'bringing back' the Smashing Pumpkins when he's the only returning member. Van Halen got better when Sammy Hagar was with them, but then they eventually fired Michael Anthony and replaced him with Eddie's son?

I love music, but we live in an era where pretentious cockbags with ego issues and a penchant for being control freaks dictate what a band consists of, and the music industry backs them up.

I didn't see Paul McCartney kick John Lennon out of the band and grab some other musician to be the 'new' fourth Beatle. Can anyone imagine just how insane that would have been? You can't have the Beatles without John Lennon, but in this day and age that would have been accepted without incident. At least Liam and Noel Gallagher had enough sense to not 'restart' the band with only one of the brothers returning and hand-picking the rest of the band, and let the band die (for now).

And if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't going to extend a band to encompass every person who ever played with them, what's the point? I know you can't have every member of KISS playing at once, but it just goes to show how bands are now brands, owned entirely by the leader. In which case it should really just be "Gene Simmons" inducted into the hall of fame.


Paul Stanley gets no say in the Gene Simmons band?

You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.
 
2014-02-24 02:25:04 AM

elgripe: Representative of the unwashed masses:

And as much as people hate to admit it... they hate gene because he came from nothing to get everything that they haven't, or ever, will accomplish and earn.

That, and anti-semitism.  Note how most of the critique of Gene revolves around his desire to make money.

Pathetic.

We get it.  Obama is blah and Gene is a ...


Asshole?
 
2014-02-24 02:34:33 AM

rattchett: stoli n coke: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

That's a little short sighted. Despite the obvious differences, KISS and The Ramones were actually very similar bands. They both had a heavily regimented, uniformed presentation. They were both led by somewhat unlikeable people (Not much difference between Gene Simmons and Johnny Ramone), They both made a big amount of their money through merchandising (Ramones sold more T-shirts than albums), and there was a lot of internal squabbling that led to members coming and going.

What if you listened to KISS and The Ramones? Does that make you someone who "just doesn't get it?"

No, I have listened to both - a lot.  The Ramones - everything.  Kiss from Destroyer to you name it.  There is a huge gulf between the two.  Yes Johnny Ramone was an asshole.  The Ramones did not make a huge amount of $ - not that they did not try.  But they were what they were.  They did not change to be more marketable.  Kiss are whores in the worst sense of the word.  They do what they to make the dough,  good music from them is a by-product -  a happy accident.

I am old.  Like Obi-Wan.  I know to that which I speak.  Don't lecture me.



Yes, the Ramones did change to be more marketable. The only reason they worked on the Phil Spector album was that they thought it would reach a wider audience.

And if you think they didn't resort to the same campy schtick that KISS did, I've got five words for you. Rock and Roll High School. They didn't make that movie as some kind of declaration of their artistic integrity. It was their Phantom of the Park. They did it to try to elevate themselves to that same kind of cartoonish character image that KISS had, and thus, make more money.

Just because their marketing attempts were, at best, a marginal success, does not mean they didn't try it out.

By the way, getting old doesn't make you wise by default. Just means your family switched to lead free paint a little earlier than some folks.
 
2014-02-24 02:53:00 AM

Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.


This.  It's not really a hall of fame, it's just a list of bands that Jann Wenner likes.
 
2014-02-24 03:28:00 AM

darkjezter: Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

This.  It's not really a hall of fame, it's just a list of bands that Jann Wenner likes.



All of this. But.....KIss has been selling out stadiums for decades. They have very simple but very catchy tunes. Certainly more spectacle than talent, but they get people rockin, and that's what really counts.
 
2014-02-24 07:19:55 AM
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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From the "Southside" video, taken inside the Hall of Fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m_w3Tgse8
 
2014-02-24 09:05:08 AM
Kind of ironic. When KISS did care about being in the R&RHoF, they were snubbed for many years. So they continued on, becoming wildly successful by every non-mainstream metric available. Who needs airplay and industry acclaim? Not KISS, nor Frank Zappa, nor Weird Al Yankovich. In fact their very lack of exposure has served them well, by preventing their material from becoming "over-played." They did things their own way, and built their own "hype machines" from the ground up. Were they caricatures? Undoubtedly. They were a combination of cartoon and pop music, and presaged the current state of pop culture to a "t". They were ahead of their time, and have outgrown the system that seeks to exploit them now. Hate them all you like. They have been laughing at your impotent rage, all the way to the bank, for over four decades now.
 
2014-02-24 10:10:15 AM

elgripe: You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.


Oh, I think you're right about Pete Best. But even then I think he should be given the same treatment, having been part of the band. His sacking was pretty shiatty, from what I remember. As far as the Rolling Stones, same thing. It's been Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, and for the most part Charlie Watts. And whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones.

"Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, and whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones."

"Gene Simmons and whoever he says are part of KISS."

"Billy Corgan and whoever he says are part of the Smashing Pumpkins."

"Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

It doesn't come off all that affectionately, but it's closer to reality than what we currently have.
 
2014-02-24 10:56:18 AM

Weatherkiss: elgripe: You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.

Oh, I think you're right about Pete Best. But even then I think he should be given the same treatment, having been part of the band. His sacking was pretty shiatty, from what I remember. As far as the Rolling Stones, same thing. It's been Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, and for the most part Charlie Watts. And whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones.

"Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, and whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones."

"Gene Simmons and whoever he says are part of KISS."

"Billy Corgan and whoever he says are part of the Smashing Pumpkins."

"Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

It doesn't come off all that affectionately, but it's closer to reality than what we currently have.


You left Paul Stanley out of the equation again.
 
2014-02-24 11:00:41 AM

Weatherkiss: "Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."


agreed.  alls I know is that my childhood was recently shattered when I found out that while KISS actually DID pour their own blood into the red ink intended to be used in the production of their comic book, none of that red ink was actually used in the production of that comic book.

Goddammit.

/grew up in the 70's\80's.  Yes, I absolutely loved KISS.  KISS and AD\DC are responsible for me becoming the metal head I am today.

//don't really listen to KISS that much anymore, could care less if they ever release a new record, but damn Destroyer was a good record and KISS Alive II sounds like my childhood.
 
2014-02-24 12:04:35 PM

frepnog: Weatherkiss: "Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

agreed.  alls I know is that my childhood was recently shattered when I found out that while KISS actually DID pour their own blood into the red ink intended to be used in the production of their comic book, none of that red ink was actually used in the production of that comic book.

Goddammit.

/grew up in the 70's\80's.  Yes, I absolutely loved KISS.  KISS and AD\DC are responsible for me becoming the metal head I am today.

//don't really listen to KISS that much anymore, could care less if they ever release a new record, but damn Destroyer was a good record and KISS Alive II sounds like my childhood.


Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?

Does my chopped and bound run of Savage She Hulk have flecks of Gene in it?

/Though the Kiss stunt did inspire the coolest TPB ever... The first printing of Squadron Supreme with writer Mark Gruenwald's ashes mixed in the ink.
 
2014-02-24 12:46:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?


no, some issue of Sports Illustrated.
 
2014-02-24 03:23:19 PM

gilgigamesh: Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.


Blame is a form of recognition, so technically you're right.
 
2014-02-24 05:25:43 PM
As long as they play under an 18" Stonehenge megalith, I'm ok with it.
 
2014-02-24 10:42:44 PM
FirstNationalBastard Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?

Yeah, Sports Illustrated...you knew it couldn't be in the comic with photos of the KISS blood draw & dump in the ink running in the very comic itself...
 
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