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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   If you thought KISS being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was a joke before, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley have made sure that it will now be a total farce   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 132
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2014-02-23 10:51:24 AM
Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.
 
2014-02-23 11:06:59 AM
Meh, don't care.
 
2014-02-23 11:24:01 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.


Turning down? He gets a big reunion payday either way, and the two fill-ins probably accept their smaller cut with less complaint than they'd get from Ace or Criss. And plenty of people will pay to see it and not know there's any difference.
 
2014-02-23 11:45:37 AM
Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.
 
2014-02-23 11:50:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.


He's eligible for Social Security next year, so maybe he doesn't need the cash quite so much any more.  I'm not sure how much more plastic surgery he can withstand in any case.
 
2014-02-23 12:03:57 PM

Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.



Deep Purple still isn't in.
 
2014-02-23 01:10:41 PM
why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.
 
2014-02-23 01:22:18 PM
Gene Simmons is selling a product, not a rock and roll band.
 
2014-02-23 01:30:55 PM
As much as I dislike Kiss, they deserve to be in. I mean come on. They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.
 
2014-02-23 01:32:14 PM

SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.


Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.
 
2014-02-23 01:33:17 PM

gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.


I think you misspelled "schlock".
 
2014-02-23 01:34:51 PM

Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.


Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?
 
2014-02-23 01:39:02 PM

Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?


Stairway
 
2014-02-23 01:40:04 PM

Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".


I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.
 
2014-02-23 01:43:57 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


Despite the joke in Wayne's World, Stairway's too complicated for most of the people in guitar stores. I realize people who can play buy guitars too but that's not usually the majority.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:05 PM
I actually don't hate the genre, gilgigamesh; I don't listen to hair metal now, but I have fond memories of making out to Ratt with my first (real, like boob touching n stuff) girlfriend.

I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.
 
2014-02-23 01:48:01 PM

gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.


Former KISS Army member here. I really loved them back in their heyday (I still listen to old KISS music every now and then). They did influence '80s hair bands, but, in turn, they were influenced by the New York Dolls and Alice Cooper, who was influenced by Arthur Brown, who was influenced by Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:12 PM

Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.


I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:15 PM

Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.


It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.
 
2014-02-23 01:50:06 PM
The New York Dolls would have kicked the ever loving sh*t out of KISS without chipping their nail polish.
 
2014-02-23 01:50:51 PM

Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.


Fair point.
 
2014-02-23 01:54:28 PM

Calmamity: Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.

Fair point.


And if someone is going to point to his legions of fans past and present (okay, past), I was a huge Guns n Roses fan way back when Appetite came out and I never not thought Axl Rose was a huge asshole. This was before he became really unlikable.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:31 PM

Calmamity: I actually don't hate the genre, gilgigamesh; I don't listen to hair metal now, but I have fond memories of making out to Ratt with my first (real, like boob touching n stuff) girlfriend.

I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.


I hate Kiss and pretty much everything about hair metal. As far metal goes, I was listening to Iron Maiden and BOC and Rush and Judas Priest in the late 70s and early 80s. "Unleashed in the East" pretty much changed my life.

Needless to say, I despised Kiss and all they stood for.

Still, they deserve to be in the RRHOF.
 
2014-02-23 01:59:05 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.
 
2014-02-23 02:00:45 PM

Snapper Carr: Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.

It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.


Yep.

Lest we get too caught up in "what's with kids today and their One Beiber Direction crap? Back in my day we listened to REAL music" nostalgia, let's not forget this very salient truth.
 
jvl
2014-02-23 02:01:20 PM
Rush finally made it in, restoring a bit of credibility to the hall of fame.  Now they add one-hit-wonder Liberace-wannabes Kiss? Yeah, there goes the credibility.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:34 PM
Who gives a shiat about KISS!

I just want to know what Peter Gabriel and Nirvana are gonna do at the ceremony!

*and yes, I will admit, Hall and Oates has my attention too*
 
2014-02-23 02:03:55 PM

MFAWG: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.


Nah. Not correctly anyway. Pretty sure most Nirvana requires drop tuning at least a full step. That's too much work just to noodle around at Guitar Center.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:02 PM

gilgigamesh: MFAWG: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.

Nah. Not correctly anyway. Pretty sure most Nirvana requires drop tuning at least a full step. That's too much work just to noodle around at Guitar Center.


Most douchebags don't play Smoke correctly either.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:47 PM

Lorelle: gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.

Former KISS Army member here. I really loved them back in their heyday (I still listen to old KISS music every now and then). They did influence '80s hair bands, but, in turn, they were influenced by the New York Dolls and Alice Cooper, who was influenced by Arthur Brown, who was influenced by Screamin' Jay Hawkins.


Have I told you yet this month how awesome your song list is?
/Spot on with Mr. Cooper.
//Still say Alison Krauss put out the best version of Can't Find My Way Home - that woman's voice is pure winsome liquid seduction.
///Another improved remake.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:43 PM

jvl: Now they add one-hit-wonder Liberace-wannabes Kiss? Yeah, there goes the credibility.


They might have sucked but they were hardly 1 hit wonders.

....unless you mean all of their songs are the same 5 chords and lyrics about pussy then I get you.
 
2014-02-23 02:09:00 PM
FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.
 
2014-02-23 02:22:32 PM
I like KISS.  This is just Gene being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate.
 
2014-02-23 02:24:41 PM

Snapper Carr: Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.

It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid boy growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.


ftfy
 
2014-02-23 02:27:38 PM

SilentStrider: Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.


Deep Purple still isn't in.


Los Lobos Still isn't in the RRHOF, and this year is their 40th anniversary (and they're still going strong). I've known them as friends for years and have seen many of their live shows, and have never seen them do a bad live show. I know I'm biased, but man, they never phone it in.

/Los Lobos Does Disney and Kiko are still two of my favorites.
 
2014-02-23 02:28:49 PM
Moot point, Kiss announced they won't be playing at all.

http://www.bravewords.com/news/218528

The RRHoF is a joke. There's a lot of crap in there that isn't RR.
 
2014-02-23 02:29:00 PM
Novelty acts should have a place in the Hall of Fame. Kiss should be there right next to Weird Al, Dr. Demento, and Ray Stevens.
 
2014-02-23 02:30:43 PM

sharpen a stick at both ends: FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.


Kiss isn't exactly the same though. In the 70s they were marketed as four distinct characters, and that's how kids of the time knew them. They were as much a cartoon group as they were a rock band. It'd be like the Ninja Turtles replacing Donatello and Raphael with a couple of other Renaissance artists and wondering why anyone notices.
 
2014-02-23 02:40:11 PM
A Hall of Fame goes against everything rock n roll stood for.
 
2014-02-23 02:42:25 PM
I was in high school when Kiss got big.  I considered them nothing more than a gimmick with bad music.  Gene Simmons is the Steve Jobs of the rock world.  He stole every idea he ever had, packed it up nicely, and made a bundle.  And he doesn't have an issues with screwing his partners over in the process.
 
2014-02-23 02:51:18 PM
Gene Simmons? More like Gene Masseth amirite?
 
2014-02-23 02:59:57 PM

sharpen a stick at both ends: FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.


He doesn't understand the rules?  "Identify the important face of the band.  Do what he wants to get the band to show up."  Them's the rules.
 
2014-02-23 03:03:12 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


Freebird
 
2014-02-23 03:06:00 PM

MBrady: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

Freebird


Roundabout.
/What?
 
2014-02-23 03:10:19 PM
meh, the whole success of KISS is due to the original four members.

they're the ones who should be inducted.


/also, intro to Stairway was stolen from "Taurus" by Spirit
 
2014-02-23 03:12:12 PM
Someone let me know when Right Said Fred gets inducted.
 
2014-02-23 03:13:18 PM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Someone let me know when Right Said Fred gets inducted.


They're too sexy to be inducted.

/obvious
 
2014-02-23 03:20:01 PM
Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

/Don't really care about Kiss getting in
//Still hoping somehow some way Neil Young will induct Nirvana and take Kurt's place for the performance
 
2014-02-23 03:22:16 PM

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes


Well Guns N Roses reunited without any actual current members of Guns N Roses, so there's that.
 
2014-02-23 03:23:46 PM

salvador.hardin: Novelty acts should have a place in the Hall of Fame. Kiss should be there right next to Weird Al, Dr. Demento, and Ray Stevens.


Except Weird Al's band actually has (vast amounts of) musical talent
 
2014-02-23 03:30:22 PM

Confabulat: Well Guns N Roses reunited without any actual current members of Guns N Roses, so there's that.


That's not Guns n Roses, that's The Axl Rose Project. Velvet Revolver is closer to GnR.
 
2014-02-23 03:33:37 PM

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

/Don't really care about Kiss getting in
//Still hoping somehow some way Neil Young will induct Nirvana and take Kurt's place for the performance


O.o

Why would you do that?
 
2014-02-23 03:40:23 PM

gilgigamesh: think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.


These guys will take issue with that:

www.rocktownhall.com
 
2014-02-23 03:43:54 PM
At this point, any time Gene Simmons gets on stage is an embarrassment.

\never really liked KISS
\\especially the godawful disco phase
 
2014-02-23 03:44:55 PM
Can't wait for The Fall to be inducted, with their 50+ current/past members.
 
2014-02-23 03:46:40 PM
KISS (with Bob Segar opening) was the first 2 concerts I saw; once in DC and once in Richmond. This would be around 1976. 

/Very good show from both bands
//You young whippersnappers get off of my turntable
 
2014-02-23 03:50:23 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: MBrady: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

Freebird

Roundabout.
/What?


Bohemian Rhapsody
 
2014-02-23 03:57:22 PM

Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.


Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer probably don't hate him.

Yet.
 
2014-02-23 03:59:43 PM

Billy Liar: Can't wait for The Fall to be inducted, with their 50+ current/past members.


Jesus. What, did their drummer keep exploding like Spinal Tap?
 
2014-02-23 04:01:42 PM
CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 11/29/75

#40 "FULL OF FIRE" - Al Green
#39 "LYIN' EYES" - The Eagles

#38 "ROCK AND ROLL ALL NIGHT (LIVE)" - Kiss
#37 "WALK AWAY FROM LOVE" - David Ruffin
#36 "TIMES OF YOUR LIFE" - Paul Anka
#35 "PART TIME LOVE" - Gladys Knight & The Pips
#34 "COUNTRY BOY (YOU GOT YOUR FEET IN L.A.)" - Glen Campbell
#33 "FOR THE LOVE OF YOU (PART 1 & 2)" - The Isley Brothers
#32 "SOS" - Abba
#31 "MOHOGANY (DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO)" - Diana Ross
#30 "THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON (A BLIND MAN IN THE BLEACHERS)" - David Geddes
#29 "BAD BLOOD" - Neil Sedaka
#28 "I'M ON FIRE" - 5000 Volts
#27 "I WRITE THE SONGS" - Barry Manilow
#26 "FOX ON THE RUN" - Sweet
#25 "I LOVE MUSIC (PART 1)" - The O'Jays
#24 "SECRET LOVE" - Freddy Fender
#23 "MIRACLES" - Jefferson Starship
#22 "OPERATOR" - Manhattan Transfer
#21 "BLUE EYES CRYIN' IN THE RAIN" - Willie Nelson
#20 "I WANT'A DO SOMETHING FREAKY TO YOU" - Leon Haywood
#19 "OUR DAY WILL COME" - Frankie Valli
#18 "I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU" - Art Garfunkel
#17 "VENUS AND MARS ROCK SHOW" - Wings
#16 "LOVE ROLLERCOASTER" - The Ohio Players
#15 "EIGHTEEN WITH A BULLET" - Pete Wingfield
#14 "HEAT WAVE" - Linda Ronstadt
#13 "FEELINGS" - Morris Albert
#12 "MY LITTLE TOWN" - Simon & Garfunkel
#11 "SATURDAY NIGHT" - The Bay City Rollers
#10 "WHO LOVES YOU" - The Four Seasons
#9 "NIGHTS ON BROADWAY" - The Bee Gees
#8 "THIS WILL BE (AN EVERLASTING LOVE)" - Natalie Cole
#7 "LOW RIDER" - War
#6 "SKY HIGH" - Jigsaw
#5 "LET'S DO IT AGAIN" - The Staple Singers
#4 "THE WAY I WANT TO TOUCH YOU" - The Captain & Tennille
#3 "ISLAND GIRL" - Elton John
#2 "THAT'S THE WAY (I LIKE IT)" - K.C. & The Sunshine Band
#1 "FLY, ROBIN, FLY" - The Silver Convention
 
2014-02-23 04:09:05 PM

Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF?


Any act that Jann Wenner doesn't care about.

The Monkees and Weird Al spring immediately to mind. The Monkees didn't play their own instruments on their first two albums, true... however, this doesn't seem to have caused the exclusion of any Motown singing-only acts (Supremes, Temptations, etc.). Adding insult to injury, the Motown band that did play most of the music on the label's albums (The Funk Brothers) aren't in.
 
2014-02-23 04:17:59 PM

Mugato: Confabulat: Well Guns N Roses reunited without any actual current members of Guns N Roses, so there's that.

That's not Guns n Roses, that's The Axl Rose Project. Velvet Revolver is closer to GnR.


Velvet Revolver is a much better band than G n R ever was. Weiland is a much better vocalist IMO... Hopefully they will get back together eventually.

SW's solo work is also really really good. Very underrated. Dude has really got some talent - even away from STP. If he keeps putting out albums like his first two, there's no reason to rejoin either band...
 
2014-02-23 04:21:10 PM

Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.


Hookers and STDs love Gene Simmons, but that's about it.
 
2014-02-23 04:22:07 PM
Still hoping somehow some way Neil Young will induct Nirvana and take Kurt's place for the performance

I had no idea until the other day that Neil Young did the guitar work on I Got Id... I always thought it was all Pearl Jam, but only members on it were Jack Irons and Vedder... Great track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p14GKXhN5O8
 
2014-02-23 04:31:17 PM

BKITU: Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF?

Any act that Jann Wenner doesn't care about.

The Monkees and Weird Al spring immediately to mind. The Monkees didn't play their own instruments on their first two albums, true... however, this doesn't seem to have caused the exclusion of any Motown singing-only acts (Supremes, Temptations, etc.). Adding insult to injury, the Motown band that did play most of the music on the label's albums (The Funk Brothers) aren't in.


The Beach Boys didn't play on half their albums. Pet Sounds was the Wrecking Crew directed by Brian Wilson.

So the whole "didn't play" thing doesn't hold water.
 
2014-02-23 04:35:08 PM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Someone let me know when Right Said Fred gets inducted.


Well, ABBA has already been inducted so dont totally dismiss that suggestion, lol!
 
2014-02-23 04:38:10 PM

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

/Don't really care about Kiss getting in
//Still hoping somehow some way Neil Young will induct Nirvana and take Kurt's place for the performance


Glad you brought it up, and how timely:

Peter Gabriel. Yes, one of the inductees this year (and rightfully show), couldn't be bothered to show up when Genesis got inducted. Not that I'm bitter about that or anything, lol!
 
2014-02-23 04:43:58 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-23 05:03:01 PM
CSB- when my brother was in 2nd grade, he got into trouble for writing his letter s like KISS... he really didn't understand why everyone was so upset.

www.veteransnewsnow.com
 
2014-02-23 05:06:10 PM
Whenever the RRHOF is mentioned I automatically think of the Sex Pistols reply

/as it should be
 
2014-02-23 05:07:33 PM

gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.


Good point. I still say that the "power ballads" of the 80s and 90s make Barry Manilow's music look macho. Why isn't Barry in the RRHOF? I also bet Barry, like most men, could kick Gene Simmons arse.
 
2014-02-23 05:16:16 PM

bgilmore5: gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.

Good point. I still say that the "power ballads" of the 80s and 90s make Barry Manilow's music look macho. Why isn't Barry in the RRHOF? I also bet Barry, like most men, could kick Gene Simmons arse.


and I would pay GOOD MONEY to see that happen too ;)
 
2014-02-23 05:24:28 PM

T-Servo: CSB- when my brother was in 2nd grade, he got into trouble for writing his letter s like KISS... he really didn't understand why everyone was so upset.


Where do you think Ace got the design for the "S"s in Kiss?
 
2014-02-23 05:26:25 PM
Kiss did absolutely nothing for rock and was a 2-hit wonder.

/Fortunately, the E-street band was inducted this year. I'm happy about that at least.
 
2014-02-23 05:38:46 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: A Hall of Fame goes against everything rock n roll stood for.


This simple fact goes over the head of almost everyone.

In general, the concept of a Hall of Fame for a music genre is pants shiatting retarded.
 
2014-02-23 05:44:00 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 11/29/75

#40 "FULL OF FIRE" - Al Green
#39 "LYIN' EYES" - The Eagles
#38 "ROCK AND ROLL ALL NIGHT (LIVE)" - Kiss
#37 "WALK AWAY FROM LOVE" - David Ruffin
#36 "TIMES OF YOUR LIFE" - Paul Anka
#35 "PART TIME LOVE" - Gladys Knight & The Pips
#34 "COUNTRY BOY (YOU GOT YOUR FEET IN L.A.)" - Glen Campbell
#33 "FOR THE LOVE OF YOU (PART 1 & 2)" - The Isley Brothers
#32 "SOS" - Abba
#31 "MOHOGANY (DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO)" - Diana Ross
#30 "THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON (A BLIND MAN IN THE BLEACHERS)" - David Geddes
#29 "BAD BLOOD" - Neil Sedaka
#28 "I'M ON FIRE" - 5000 Volts
#27 "I WRITE THE SONGS" - Barry Manilow
#26 "FOX ON THE RUN" - Sweet
#25 "I LOVE MUSIC (PART 1)" - The O'Jays
#24 "SECRET LOVE" - Freddy Fender
#23 "MIRACLES" - Jefferson Starship
#22 "OPERATOR" - Manhattan Transfer
#21 "BLUE EYES CRYIN' IN THE RAIN" - Willie Nelson
#20 "I WANT'A DO SOMETHING FREAKY TO YOU" - Leon Haywood
#19 "OUR DAY WILL COME" - Frankie Valli
#18 "I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU" - Art Garfunkel
#17 "VENUS AND MARS ROCK SHOW" - Wings
#16 "LOVE ROLLERCOASTER" - The Ohio Players
#15 "EIGHTEEN WITH A BULLET" - Pete Wingfield
#14 "HEAT WAVE" - Linda Ronstadt
#13 "FEELINGS" - Morris Albert
#12 "MY LITTLE TOWN" - Simon & Garfunkel
#11 "SATURDAY NIGHT" - The Bay City Rollers
#10 "WHO LOVES YOU" - The Four Seasons
#9 "NIGHTS ON BROADWAY" - The Bee Gees
#8 "THIS WILL BE (AN EVERLASTING LOVE)" - Natalie Cole
#7 "LOW RIDER" - War
#6 "SKY HIGH" - Jigsaw
#5 "LET'S DO IT AGAIN" - The Staple Singers
#4 "THE WAY I WANT TO TOUCH YOU" - The Captain & Tennille
#3 "ISLAND GIRL" - Elton John
#2 "THAT'S THE WAY (I LIKE IT)" - K.C. & The Sunshine Band
#1 "FLY, ROBIN, FLY" - The Silver Convention


And people say music today is crap.
 
2014-02-23 06:22:02 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


Enter Sandman
 
2014-02-23 06:22:27 PM
At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!
 
2014-02-23 06:27:31 PM

jake3988: Kiss did absolutely nothing for rock and was a 2-hit wonder.

/Fortunately, the E-street band was inducted this year. I'm happy about that at least.




I disagree with that. I never really got into Kiss, but i had friends who were putting on full-regalia homemade kiss costumes and doing full-on mock kiss concerts in their garages, in fifth grade. They were more than a simple 2-hit wonder at the time, and I think that the amount of albums that they sold far outstripped their "pop chart singles" listings. When was the last time someone did a faux Daft Punk concert in their garage?

I mean, if you are looking solely at singles charts, you are probably seriously undervaluing a lot of rock/art bands from the seventies.
 
2014-02-23 06:33:42 PM
KISS is what rock & roll is all about.  4 ugly guys getting laid with big loud entertaining blues-based Les Paul-Marshall RAWK.  THey inspored more boys to play air guitar with a tennis racket (and later, a real guitar) than just about anybody.  Gene deserves a lot of the hate that he gets, but he's really tones down the asshattery lately and has even redeemed himself through charity and patriotism.  Paul is the one that runs the show now and he is a DIVA.  I guarantee these latest shenanigans are his doing, not Gene's who is on the record saying that he had no problem playing with Ace and Peter at the event.
 
2014-02-23 06:46:34 PM

gilgigamesh: As much as I dislike Kiss, they deserve to be in. I mean come on. They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.


Yeah, KISS should be in there... There are plenty of arguments about some of the bands every year, but I don't know how anyone could question whether or not they played rock and whether or not they defined a specific era. Are they great musicians? No. Is Gene Simmons more interested in marketing than music? Sure.

That doesn't change the fact that a full blown KISS show is still one of the best concerts I've seen, costumes, makeup, blood, fireworks, the whole farking enchilada. Rock n roll isn't always about being a virtuoso, it's about the show as often as it's about the music, and KISS is among the best at that. They should be in the RRHOF, no question.

I just can't believe these egotistical bastards can't quit having their silly little spat long enough to play 4 or 5 songs. What a bunch of babies.
 
2014-02-23 06:50:21 PM

Vito Andolini: salvador.hardin: Novelty acts should have a place in the Hall of Fame. Kiss should be there right next to Weird Al, Dr. Demento, and Ray Stevens.

Except Weird Al's band actually has (vast amounts of) musical talent


Yeah, it's rather impressive when you realize that Al's band rewrites all of the songs they parody. I think a lot of people just assume that he sings over a backing track or something.

Another fun concert, BTW. Got to catch him about 10 years ago at the AZ state fair, and it was a blast, I'd go see Al again.
 
2014-02-23 07:00:52 PM

rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!


That's a little short sighted. Despite the obvious differences, KISS and The Ramones were actually very similar bands. They both had a heavily regimented, uniformed presentation. They were both led by somewhat unlikeable people (Not much difference between Gene Simmons and Johnny Ramone), They both made a big amount of their money through merchandising (Ramones sold more T-shirts than albums), and there was a lot of internal squabbling that led to members coming and going.

What if you listened to KISS and The Ramones? Does that make you someone who "just doesn't get it?"
 
2014-02-23 07:04:18 PM

STRYPERSWINE: KISS is what rock & roll is all about.  4 ugly guys getting laid with big loud entertaining blues-based Les Paul-Marshall RAWK.  THey inspored more boys to play air guitar with a tennis racket (and later, a real guitar) than just about anybody.  Gene deserves a lot of the hate that he gets, but he's really tones down the asshattery lately and has even redeemed himself through charity and patriotism.  Paul is the one that runs the show now and he is a DIVA.  I guarantee these latest shenanigans are his doing, not Gene's who is on the record saying that he had no problem playing with Ace and Peter at the event.


Hell its not even that bad, they wanted to have modern AND past members included and play.  that's actually admirable.

And as much as people hate to admit it... they hate gene because he came from nothing to get everything that they haven't, or ever, will accomplish and earn.
 
2014-02-23 07:07:31 PM

jake3988: Kiss did absolutely nothing for rock and was a 2-hit wonder.

/Fortunately, the E-street band was inducted this year. I'm happy about that at least.


Again, if you're saying that all their songs were the same songs about pussy then yeah but they had like 170 albums and at least 10 hit songs (no I'm not going to look it up)
 
2014-02-23 07:27:24 PM

twistedmetal: Meh, don't care.


Likewise. Never got into them back then. Why would I care now?
 
2014-02-23 07:28:06 PM
Representative of the unwashed masses:

And as much as people hate to admit it... they hate gene because he came from nothing to get everything that they haven't, or ever, will accomplish and earn.

That, and anti-semitism.  Note how most of the critique of Gene revolves around his desire to make money.

Pathetic.

We get it.  Obama is blah and Gene is a ...
 
2014-02-23 07:31:44 PM
There's a youtube clip out there of Kiss being interviewed by Tom Snyder in the 80s.  Ace Frehley is wasted but he is a total riot, joking around with Snyder and laughing his ass off.  Paul and Gene are sitting next to him and you can tell they are pissed off that they're not getting the attention and being taken as a serious rock band.
Kiss is a terrible, schlocky band but, yes they deserve to be in, they were very influential
 
2014-02-23 07:35:04 PM
"Am I not turtley enough for the turtle club?"
 
2014-02-23 07:35:15 PM

stoli n coke: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

That's a little short sighted. Despite the obvious differences, KISS and The Ramones were actually very similar bands. They both had a heavily regimented, uniformed presentation. They were both led by somewhat unlikeable people (Not much difference between Gene Simmons and Johnny Ramone), They both made a big amount of their money through merchandising (Ramones sold more T-shirts than albums), and there was a lot of internal squabbling that led to members coming and going.

What if you listened to KISS and The Ramones? Does that make you someone who "just doesn't get it?"


No, I have listened to both - a lot.  The Ramones - everything.  Kiss from Destroyer to you name it.  There is a huge gulf between the two.  Yes Johnny Ramone was an asshole.  The Ramones did not make a huge amount of $ - not that they did not try.  But they were what they were.  They did not change to be more marketable.  Kiss are whores in the worst sense of the word.  They do what they to make the dough,  good music from them is a by-product -  a happy accident.

I am old.  Like Obi-Wan.  I know to that which I speak.  Don't lecture me.
 
2014-02-23 07:36:20 PM
Dammit, try this again:

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2014-02-23 07:36:24 PM
mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.
 
2014-02-23 07:46:24 PM

Great_Milenko: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 11/29/75

#32 "SOS" - Abba
#21 "BLUE EYES CRYIN' IN THE RAIN" - Willie Nelson
#14 "HEAT WAVE" - Linda Ronstadt


And people say music today is crap.


Aw, c'mon.
 
2014-02-23 07:54:15 PM

rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!


Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.
 
2014-02-23 08:03:38 PM
My condolences to them.

MFAWG: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.


My condolences to them.   Music can be easy.  Or music can good.  Laziness, in all things, is the path of least resistance.  Pap is easy - quality takes effort.
 
2014-02-23 08:21:04 PM

rattchett: My condolences to them.MFAWG: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.

My condolences to them.   Music can be easy.  Or music can good.  Laziness, in all things, is the path of least resistance.  Pap is easy - quality takes effort.


Oh, you're THAT guy.

Guys like you hated the Ramones at the time.

And you're missing the point: since nobody ever really heard the Ramones on the radio, most record stores didn't carry the records.
 
2014-02-23 08:29:48 PM
KISS didn't get a lot of radio play either. That's how their fan club, the "KISS Army" started; fans protesting a radio station to get it to play KISS.
 
2014-02-23 08:31:26 PM

MFAWG: rattchett: My condolences to them.MFAWG: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.

My condolences to them.   Music can be easy.  Or music can good.  Laziness, in all things, is the path of least resistance.  Pap is easy - quality takes effort.

Oh, you're THAT guy.

Guys like you hated the Ramones at the time.

And you're missing the point: since nobody ever really heard the Ramones on the radio, most record stores didn't carry the records.


No  ... I don't believe I know you or you know me.  You think you're clever in surmising who I am.  But you're wrong.  You don't know me, what I think, or who I am.   Go back to bed, give your head a shake and try again.
 
2014-02-23 08:37:59 PM
The rock and roll hall of fame lost all creditabilty when they let Rush in.
 
2014-02-23 08:43:47 PM

RectalDamage: The rock and roll hall of fame lost all creditabilty when they let Rush in.


!
 
2014-02-23 08:45:21 PM

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

Bob Welch didn't get included with Fleetwood Mac.

Mystery To Me > Rumours

 
2014-02-23 08:47:45 PM

Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".


this
 
2014-02-23 09:04:46 PM

rattchett: MFAWG: rattchett: My condolences to them.MFAWG: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

Most people never heard a Ramones song on commercial radio until much, much later than 1976.

My condolences to them.   Music can be easy.  Or music can good.  Laziness, in all things, is the path of least resistance.  Pap is easy - quality takes effort.

Oh, you're THAT guy.

Guys like you hated the Ramones at the time.

And you're missing the point: since nobody ever really heard the Ramones on the radio, most record stores didn't carry the records.

No  ... I don't believe I know you or you know me.  You think you're clever in surmising who I am.  But you're wrong.  You don't know me, what I think, or who I am.   Go back to bed, give your head a shake and try again.


No, I know who you are. You really are THAT guy. You're the pretentious douchebag in the room.

Jokes on you, because the entire farking point of the Ramones was an utter lack of pretentiousness.
 
2014-02-23 09:19:55 PM
It should be called The Rock & Roll Hall of Very Well-Known Popular Music Acts.

Whatta loada bullshiat.
 
2014-02-23 09:48:57 PM

John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.


I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.
 
2014-02-23 09:57:25 PM

mafiageek1980: John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.

I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.


Can't disagree with most of what you said (other than Madonna doesn't deserve to be there any more than ABBA)
 
2014-02-23 10:08:27 PM
The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted

LOL
 
2014-02-23 10:11:12 PM

gilgigamesh: As much as I dislike Kiss, they deserve to be in. I mean come on. They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.


No, no they most certainly did not. They were, and still are, an embarrassment with shiatty songs.
 
2014-02-23 10:13:23 PM

DundieAwardWinner: SilentStrider: Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.


Deep Purple still isn't in.

Los Lobos Still isn't in the RRHOF, and this year is their 40th anniversary (and they're still going strong). I've known them as friends for years and have seen many of their live shows, and have never seen them do a bad live show. I know I'm biased, but man, they never phone it in.

/Los Lobos Does Disney and Kiko are still two of my favorites.


Los Lobos should absolutely be in there, along with Deep Purple, as others have mentioned.
 
2014-02-23 10:19:01 PM

RectalDamage: The rock and roll hall of fame lost all creditabilty when they let Rush in.


Hey, that Take off to the Great White North song was awesome, dood.
 
2014-02-23 11:09:12 PM

John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: John Buck 41: mafiageek1980: Who gives a shiat about the Rock and Roll HoF?KISS!

Look who's in it, FFS.

I consider myself a "geek" about it, so I can answer that question for you:

Lots of people who deserve to be in the hall are in (too many to list here, but I will give you my biased choices of Black Sabbath, Genesis, and Rush)
Lots of people who have no BUSINESS being in the hall (I'm looking at you, ABBA) are in

Honestly, It's about 50/50

Are there a LOT of great acts who should already be in? Damn right!
Is Jann Warner a prick? Probably, so.

Can't disagree with most of what you said (other than Madonna doesn't deserve to be there any more than ABBA)


Madonna (along with the rap question, which, I feel DOES have a place in the hall) will always be debated on if she should be in. I don't give a shiat about her either way. Hell, both sides have made good points on her being in there/not having any business being in there.  It's one of those arguments about the RNRHOF I prefer to stay out of, lol!
 
2014-02-23 11:28:07 PM

mafiageek1980: Madonna (along with the rap question, which, I feel DOES have a place in the hall) will always be debated on if she should be in. I don't give a shiat about her either way.


That's pretty much my viewpoint, as the R & R HOF (or any HOF, for that matter) is a joke.
 
2014-02-23 11:57:34 PM

rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!


Yeah really guys, the Ramones were creating art!

Exhibit A:

"Beat On The Brat"

Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat
Oh yeah, oh yeah, uh-oh.

What can you do?
What can you do?
With a brat like that always on your back
What can you do? (lose?)

 See? That's deep and meaningful and not all a joke like KISS could be at their worst. I even like the Ramones and yes they influence a lot of bands, but the influence was more from their attitude than talent. They played three chords fast and had irreverent fun sing-along songs. That's about it.

/I actually like the Ramones
 
2014-02-24 12:09:49 AM
Marshmallow Jones, here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZ5etq1jH4
a '76 signing @ the flagship Peaches Store in ATL filmed on Super-8, taking Ace into a vacant lot behind the place to obvsly sober him up is hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzve-Tmd70
 
2014-02-24 12:35:07 AM
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

A band now consists entirely of its leader. How many popular bands from back in the day only have 1 original member? This isn't a new thing, don't get me wrong. But it's retarded for Billy Corgan to say he's 'bringing back' the Smashing Pumpkins when he's the only returning member. Van Halen got better when Sammy Hagar was with them, but then they eventually fired Michael Anthony and replaced him with Eddie's son?

I love music, but we live in an era where pretentious cockbags with ego issues and a penchant for being control freaks dictate what a band consists of, and the music industry backs them up.

I didn't see Paul McCartney kick John Lennon out of the band and grab some other musician to be the 'new' fourth Beatle. Can anyone imagine just how insane that would have been? You can't have the Beatles without John Lennon, but in this day and age that would have been accepted without incident. At least Liam and Noel Gallagher had enough sense to not 'restart' the band with only one of the brothers returning and hand-picking the rest of the band, and let the band die (for now).

And if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't going to extend a band to encompass every person who ever played with them, what's the point? I know you can't have every member of KISS playing at once, but it just goes to show how bands are now brands, owned entirely by the leader. In which case it should really just be "Gene Simmons" inducted into the hall of fame.
 
2014-02-24 12:54:14 AM
No Deep Purple, No Yes...and they call themselves credible? Bah.
 
2014-02-24 01:40:25 AM
No one remembers Fogerty playing his hits with Broooce and Robbie Robertson, and Clifford and Cook walking out?
at least KISS wear makeup, most people won't   know or care who Simmons/Stanley are onstage with
.
 
2014-02-24 02:06:19 AM

Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

A band now consists entirely of its leader. How many popular bands from back in the day only have 1 original member? This isn't a new thing, don't get me wrong. But it's retarded for Billy Corgan to say he's 'bringing back' the Smashing Pumpkins when he's the only returning member. Van Halen got better when Sammy Hagar was with them, but then they eventually fired Michael Anthony and replaced him with Eddie's son?

I love music, but we live in an era where pretentious cockbags with ego issues and a penchant for being control freaks dictate what a band consists of, and the music industry backs them up.

I didn't see Paul McCartney kick John Lennon out of the band and grab some other musician to be the 'new' fourth Beatle. Can anyone imagine just how insane that would have been? You can't have the Beatles without John Lennon, but in this day and age that would have been accepted without incident. At least Liam and Noel Gallagher had enough sense to not 'restart' the band with only one of the brothers returning and hand-picking the rest of the band, and let the band die (for now).

And if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't going to extend a band to encompass every person who ever played with them, what's the point? I know you can't have every member of KISS playing at once, but it just goes to show how bands are now brands, owned entirely by the leader. In which case it should really just be "Gene Simmons" inducted into the hall of fame.


Paul Stanley gets no say in the Gene Simmons band?

You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.
 
2014-02-24 02:25:04 AM

elgripe: Representative of the unwashed masses:

And as much as people hate to admit it... they hate gene because he came from nothing to get everything that they haven't, or ever, will accomplish and earn.

That, and anti-semitism.  Note how most of the critique of Gene revolves around his desire to make money.

Pathetic.

We get it.  Obama is blah and Gene is a ...


Asshole?
 
2014-02-24 02:34:33 AM

rattchett: stoli n coke: rattchett: At the same time that Kiss were doing their shiat - so were the Ramones.  If you listened to Kiss in 1976 rather than the Ramones, and you were over the age of 12, you should be ashamed.

KISS sucks!

That's a little short sighted. Despite the obvious differences, KISS and The Ramones were actually very similar bands. They both had a heavily regimented, uniformed presentation. They were both led by somewhat unlikeable people (Not much difference between Gene Simmons and Johnny Ramone), They both made a big amount of their money through merchandising (Ramones sold more T-shirts than albums), and there was a lot of internal squabbling that led to members coming and going.

What if you listened to KISS and The Ramones? Does that make you someone who "just doesn't get it?"

No, I have listened to both - a lot.  The Ramones - everything.  Kiss from Destroyer to you name it.  There is a huge gulf between the two.  Yes Johnny Ramone was an asshole.  The Ramones did not make a huge amount of $ - not that they did not try.  But they were what they were.  They did not change to be more marketable.  Kiss are whores in the worst sense of the word.  They do what they to make the dough,  good music from them is a by-product -  a happy accident.

I am old.  Like Obi-Wan.  I know to that which I speak.  Don't lecture me.



Yes, the Ramones did change to be more marketable. The only reason they worked on the Phil Spector album was that they thought it would reach a wider audience.

And if you think they didn't resort to the same campy schtick that KISS did, I've got five words for you. Rock and Roll High School. They didn't make that movie as some kind of declaration of their artistic integrity. It was their Phantom of the Park. They did it to try to elevate themselves to that same kind of cartoonish character image that KISS had, and thus, make more money.

Just because their marketing attempts were, at best, a marginal success, does not mean they didn't try it out.

By the way, getting old doesn't make you wise by default. Just means your family switched to lead free paint a little earlier than some folks.
 
2014-02-24 02:53:00 AM

Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.


This.  It's not really a hall of fame, it's just a list of bands that Jann Wenner likes.
 
2014-02-24 03:28:00 AM

darkjezter: Weatherkiss: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce because Rock and Roll has become a farce.

This.  It's not really a hall of fame, it's just a list of bands that Jann Wenner likes.



All of this. But.....KIss has been selling out stadiums for decades. They have very simple but very catchy tunes. Certainly more spectacle than talent, but they get people rockin, and that's what really counts.
 
2014-02-24 07:19:55 AM
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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From the "Southside" video, taken inside the Hall of Fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m_w3Tgse8
 
2014-02-24 09:05:08 AM
Kind of ironic. When KISS did care about being in the R&RHoF, they were snubbed for many years. So they continued on, becoming wildly successful by every non-mainstream metric available. Who needs airplay and industry acclaim? Not KISS, nor Frank Zappa, nor Weird Al Yankovich. In fact their very lack of exposure has served them well, by preventing their material from becoming "over-played." They did things their own way, and built their own "hype machines" from the ground up. Were they caricatures? Undoubtedly. They were a combination of cartoon and pop music, and presaged the current state of pop culture to a "t". They were ahead of their time, and have outgrown the system that seeks to exploit them now. Hate them all you like. They have been laughing at your impotent rage, all the way to the bank, for over four decades now.
 
2014-02-24 10:10:15 AM

elgripe: You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.


Oh, I think you're right about Pete Best. But even then I think he should be given the same treatment, having been part of the band. His sacking was pretty shiatty, from what I remember. As far as the Rolling Stones, same thing. It's been Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, and for the most part Charlie Watts. And whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones.

"Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, and whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones."

"Gene Simmons and whoever he says are part of KISS."

"Billy Corgan and whoever he says are part of the Smashing Pumpkins."

"Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

It doesn't come off all that affectionately, but it's closer to reality than what we currently have.
 
2014-02-24 10:56:18 AM

Weatherkiss: elgripe: You used the Beatles as an example of the band not moving on with new members. Pete Best would have words with you. So would the Rolling Stones.

Oh, I think you're right about Pete Best. But even then I think he should be given the same treatment, having been part of the band. His sacking was pretty shiatty, from what I remember. As far as the Rolling Stones, same thing. It's been Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, and for the most part Charlie Watts. And whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones.

"Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, and whoever they say are part of the Rolling Stones."

"Gene Simmons and whoever he says are part of KISS."

"Billy Corgan and whoever he says are part of the Smashing Pumpkins."

"Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

It doesn't come off all that affectionately, but it's closer to reality than what we currently have.


You left Paul Stanley out of the equation again.
 
2014-02-24 11:00:41 AM

Weatherkiss: "Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."


agreed.  alls I know is that my childhood was recently shattered when I found out that while KISS actually DID pour their own blood into the red ink intended to be used in the production of their comic book, none of that red ink was actually used in the production of that comic book.

Goddammit.

/grew up in the 70's\80's.  Yes, I absolutely loved KISS.  KISS and AD\DC are responsible for me becoming the metal head I am today.

//don't really listen to KISS that much anymore, could care less if they ever release a new record, but damn Destroyer was a good record and KISS Alive II sounds like my childhood.
 
2014-02-24 12:04:35 PM

frepnog: Weatherkiss: "Brian Warner and whoever he says is part of Marilyn Manson."

agreed.  alls I know is that my childhood was recently shattered when I found out that while KISS actually DID pour their own blood into the red ink intended to be used in the production of their comic book, none of that red ink was actually used in the production of that comic book.

Goddammit.

/grew up in the 70's\80's.  Yes, I absolutely loved KISS.  KISS and AD\DC are responsible for me becoming the metal head I am today.

//don't really listen to KISS that much anymore, could care less if they ever release a new record, but damn Destroyer was a good record and KISS Alive II sounds like my childhood.


Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?

Does my chopped and bound run of Savage She Hulk have flecks of Gene in it?

/Though the Kiss stunt did inspire the coolest TPB ever... The first printing of Squadron Supreme with writer Mark Gruenwald's ashes mixed in the ink.
 
2014-02-24 12:46:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?


no, some issue of Sports Illustrated.
 
2014-02-24 03:23:19 PM

gilgigamesh: Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.


Blame is a form of recognition, so technically you're right.
 
2014-02-24 05:25:43 PM
As long as they play under an 18" Stonehenge megalith, I'm ok with it.
 
2014-02-24 10:42:44 PM
FirstNationalBastard Was that red ink used in some other Marvel comic?

Yeah, Sports Illustrated...you knew it couldn't be in the comic with photos of the KISS blood draw & dump in the ink running in the very comic itself...
 
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