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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   If you thought KISS being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was a joke before, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley have made sure that it will now be a total farce   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 132
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2014-02-23 10:51:24 AM  
Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.
 
2014-02-23 11:06:59 AM  
Meh, don't care.
 
2014-02-23 11:24:01 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.


Turning down? He gets a big reunion payday either way, and the two fill-ins probably accept their smaller cut with less complaint than they'd get from Ace or Criss. And plenty of people will pay to see it and not know there's any difference.
 
2014-02-23 11:45:37 AM  
Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.
 
2014-02-23 11:50:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Gene must really hate Peter and Ace's corpse to be turning down a big reunion payday.


He's eligible for Social Security next year, so maybe he doesn't need the cash quite so much any more.  I'm not sure how much more plastic surgery he can withstand in any case.
 
2014-02-23 12:03:57 PM  

Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.



Deep Purple still isn't in.
 
2014-02-23 01:10:41 PM  
why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.
 
2014-02-23 01:22:18 PM  
Gene Simmons is selling a product, not a rock and roll band.
 
2014-02-23 01:30:55 PM  
As much as I dislike Kiss, they deserve to be in. I mean come on. They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.
 
2014-02-23 01:32:14 PM  

SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.


Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.
 
2014-02-23 01:33:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.


I think you misspelled "schlock".
 
2014-02-23 01:34:51 PM  

Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.


Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?
 
2014-02-23 01:39:02 PM  

Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?


Stairway
 
2014-02-23 01:40:04 PM  

Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".


I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.
 
2014-02-23 01:43:57 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


Despite the joke in Wayne's World, Stairway's too complicated for most of the people in guitar stores. I realize people who can play buy guitars too but that's not usually the majority.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:05 PM  
I actually don't hate the genre, gilgigamesh; I don't listen to hair metal now, but I have fond memories of making out to Ratt with my first (real, like boob touching n stuff) girlfriend.

I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.
 
2014-02-23 01:48:01 PM  

gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.


Former KISS Army member here. I really loved them back in their heyday (I still listen to old KISS music every now and then). They did influence '80s hair bands, but, in turn, they were influenced by the New York Dolls and Alice Cooper, who was influenced by Arthur Brown, who was influenced by Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:12 PM  

Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.


I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:15 PM  

Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.


It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.
 
2014-02-23 01:50:06 PM  
The New York Dolls would have kicked the ever loving sh*t out of KISS without chipping their nail polish.
 
2014-02-23 01:50:51 PM  

Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.


Fair point.
 
2014-02-23 01:54:28 PM  

Calmamity: Mugato: Calmamity: I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.

I can't imagine anyone not hating Gene Simmons.

Fair point.


And if someone is going to point to his legions of fans past and present (okay, past), I was a huge Guns n Roses fan way back when Appetite came out and I never not thought Axl Rose was a huge asshole. This was before he became really unlikable.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:31 PM  

Calmamity: I actually don't hate the genre, gilgigamesh; I don't listen to hair metal now, but I have fond memories of making out to Ratt with my first (real, like boob touching n stuff) girlfriend.

I hate KISS in particular, and Gene Simmons individually and viscerally.


I hate Kiss and pretty much everything about hair metal. As far metal goes, I was listening to Iron Maiden and BOC and Rush and Judas Priest in the late 70s and early 80s. "Unleashed in the East" pretty much changed my life.

Needless to say, I despised Kiss and all they stood for.

Still, they deserve to be in the RRHOF.
 
2014-02-23 01:59:05 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.
 
2014-02-23 02:00:45 PM  

Snapper Carr: Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.

It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.


Yep.

Lest we get too caught up in "what's with kids today and their One Beiber Direction crap? Back in my day we listened to REAL music" nostalgia, let's not forget this very salient truth.
 
jvl
2014-02-23 02:01:20 PM  
Rush finally made it in, restoring a bit of credibility to the hall of fame.  Now they add one-hit-wonder Liberace-wannabes Kiss? Yeah, there goes the credibility.
 
2014-02-23 02:02:34 PM  
Who gives a shiat about KISS!

I just want to know what Peter Gabriel and Nirvana are gonna do at the ceremony!

*and yes, I will admit, Hall and Oates has my attention too*
 
2014-02-23 02:03:55 PM  

MFAWG: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.


Nah. Not correctly anyway. Pretty sure most Nirvana requires drop tuning at least a full step. That's too much work just to noodle around at Guitar Center.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:02 PM  

gilgigamesh: MFAWG: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

'Come As You Are'

You guys haven't been in a guitar store in a while.

Nah. Not correctly anyway. Pretty sure most Nirvana requires drop tuning at least a full step. That's too much work just to noodle around at Guitar Center.


Most douchebags don't play Smoke correctly either.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:47 PM  

Lorelle: gilgigamesh: Calmamity: gilgigamesh: They pretty much defined rock at the peak of its mid 70s heyday.

I think you misspelled "schlock".

I couldn't agree more. But let's face it, the RRHOF isn't exactly hallowed ground. Kiss was genre defining - think of all the dozens of 80s hair bands that never would have been but for Kiss - and they deserve recognition for that.

The fact that you and I may hate that genre is really beside the point.

Former KISS Army member here. I really loved them back in their heyday (I still listen to old KISS music every now and then). They did influence '80s hair bands, but, in turn, they were influenced by the New York Dolls and Alice Cooper, who was influenced by Arthur Brown, who was influenced by Screamin' Jay Hawkins.


Have I told you yet this month how awesome your song list is?
/Spot on with Mr. Cooper.
//Still say Alison Krauss put out the best version of Can't Find My Way Home - that woman's voice is pure winsome liquid seduction.
///Another improved remake.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:43 PM  

jvl: Now they add one-hit-wonder Liberace-wannabes Kiss? Yeah, there goes the credibility.


They might have sucked but they were hardly 1 hit wonders.

....unless you mean all of their songs are the same 5 chords and lyrics about pussy then I get you.
 
2014-02-23 02:09:00 PM  
FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.
 
2014-02-23 02:22:32 PM  
I like KISS.  This is just Gene being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate.
 
2014-02-23 02:24:41 PM  

Snapper Carr: Cewley: why not get Willard Scott there? he's played Bozo and Ronald McDonald, and has more talent than any of those clown nominees.

It's not the Rock and Roll Hall of Talent. I don't particularly care for their music now (if my 8 year old self heard me say this he'd be stunned and deeply disappointed), but if you were a middle class kid boy growing up in the 70's, there was one objective, undeniable truth about music - Kiss was the hottest band in the land.


ftfy
 
2014-02-23 02:27:38 PM  

SilentStrider: Mugato: Are there any bands that aren't in the RRHOF? A lot of them aren't even rock bands.


Deep Purple still isn't in.


Los Lobos Still isn't in the RRHOF, and this year is their 40th anniversary (and they're still going strong). I've known them as friends for years and have seen many of their live shows, and have never seen them do a bad live show. I know I'm biased, but man, they never phone it in.

/Los Lobos Does Disney and Kiko are still two of my favorites.
 
2014-02-23 02:28:49 PM  
Moot point, Kiss announced they won't be playing at all.

http://www.bravewords.com/news/218528

The RRHoF is a joke. There's a lot of crap in there that isn't RR.
 
2014-02-23 02:29:00 PM  
Novelty acts should have a place in the Hall of Fame. Kiss should be there right next to Weird Al, Dr. Demento, and Ray Stevens.
 
2014-02-23 02:30:43 PM  

sharpen a stick at both ends: FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.


Kiss isn't exactly the same though. In the 70s they were marketed as four distinct characters, and that's how kids of the time knew them. They were as much a cartoon group as they were a rock band. It'd be like the Ninja Turtles replacing Donatello and Raphael with a couple of other Renaissance artists and wondering why anyone notices.
 
2014-02-23 02:40:11 PM  
A Hall of Fame goes against everything rock n roll stood for.
 
2014-02-23 02:42:25 PM  
I was in high school when Kiss got big.  I considered them nothing more than a gimmick with bad music.  Gene Simmons is the Steve Jobs of the rock world.  He stole every idea he ever had, packed it up nicely, and made a bundle.  And he doesn't have an issues with screwing his partners over in the process.
 
2014-02-23 02:51:18 PM  
Gene Simmons? More like Gene Masseth amirite?
 
2014-02-23 02:59:57 PM  

sharpen a stick at both ends: FTA:

A few weeks later, Stanley tweeted that a reunion seemed "unlikely," and two weeks ago he blasted the "tainted, corrupted and distorted" Hall of Fame for being unwilling to discuss inducting anybody but the four original members of Kiss. "It was shut down immediately as 'a non starter,' which to me is arrogant," he told Classic Rock. "The fact that there are 30 or 40 or 50 or some absurd number of Grateful Dead members all inducted, the fact that all of the [Red Hot] Chili Peppers, including people who played on early albums that never amounted to very much are inducted, the fact that John Rutsey, the drummer on the first Rush album is not inducted, the fact that Rob Trujillo, who's a great guy but didn't play on any of the classic Metallica albums, was inducted after being in the band six years makes me wonder exactly what are the rules? If the rules don't apply to everybody then they're not rules."

That's not a bad point.


He doesn't understand the rules?  "Identify the important face of the band.  Do what he wants to get the band to show up."  Them's the rules.
 
2014-02-23 03:03:12 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway


Freebird
 
2014-02-23 03:06:00 PM  

MBrady: JasonOfOrillia: Mugato: Calmamity: SilentStrider: Deep Purple still isn't in.

Deep Purple is still being punished for Smoke On The Water, and deservedly so.

Come on, if it wasn't for that song what would douchebags play in guitar stores?

Stairway

Freebird


Roundabout.
/What?
 
2014-02-23 03:10:19 PM  
meh, the whole success of KISS is due to the original four members.

they're the ones who should be inducted.


/also, intro to Stairway was stolen from "Taurus" by Spirit
 
2014-02-23 03:12:12 PM  
Someone let me know when Right Said Fred gets inducted.
 
2014-02-23 03:13:18 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Someone let me know when Right Said Fred gets inducted.


They're too sexy to be inducted.

/obvious
 
2014-02-23 03:20:01 PM  
Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes

/Don't really care about Kiss getting in
//Still hoping somehow some way Neil Young will induct Nirvana and take Kurt's place for the performance
 
2014-02-23 03:22:16 PM  

jj325: Besides Blondie, have their been any other bands that didn't include original members (who actually wanted to be involved) in their Hall of Fame performance like this?  Even David Byrne could put the crap aside for 15 minutes


Well Guns N Roses reunited without any actual current members of Guns N Roses, so there's that.
 
2014-02-23 03:23:46 PM  

salvador.hardin: Novelty acts should have a place in the Hall of Fame. Kiss should be there right next to Weird Al, Dr. Demento, and Ray Stevens.


Except Weird Al's band actually has (vast amounts of) musical talent
 
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