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(UPI)   A majority of Americans don't have a problem with Hillary being our next President, but would rather have Biden stay our nation's kooky uncle   (upi.com) divider line 148
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2014-02-23 08:33:07 AM
She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.
 
2014-02-23 08:46:43 AM

EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.


  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.
 
2014-02-23 08:56:35 AM
One thing we can be sure of: Mitt will STILL be campaigning
 
2014-02-23 09:03:38 AM

CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.


That's nonsense. It's true that Shrub only got to be President because of his dad, but everybody else on that list was aptly qualified and democratically elected. Hillary is what she is because of her own skill, not because of Bill.
 
2014-02-23 09:06:57 AM

MrBallou: CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.

That's nonsense. It's true that Shrub only got to be President because of his dad, but everybody else on that list was aptly qualified and democratically elected. Hillary is what she is because of her own skill, not because of Bill.


Bill didn't hurt. Name recognition counts for a lot in politics.
 
2014-02-23 09:08:36 AM
Is she the best the Dems can do?
 
2014-02-23 09:37:43 AM
Ugh.  ANOTHER conservative in thrall to the wealthy pretending to be a progressive.

The best thing Hillary has going for her is that she will be WAY less bad than the nutjob the Republicans will eventually nominate.

The frenzied hatefest from the right will be amusing-- for a while.  Then it will get old old old.

And, thanks to gerrymandering and the fillerbuster, the Republican minority will keep anything from getting done for another 8 years.
 
2014-02-23 09:45:16 AM

EvilEgg: MrBallou: CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.

That's nonsense. It's true that Shrub only got to be President because of his dad, but everybody else on that list was aptly qualified and democratically elected. Hillary is what she is because of her own skill, not because of Bill.

Bill didn't hurt. Name recognition counts for a lot in politics.


She was as well known as Bill when he was President . At the time, the GOP joke was that she was responsible for him getting to be in the White House instead of the other way around.
 
2014-02-23 09:55:39 AM

Riche: Ugh.  ANOTHER conservative in thrall to the wealthy pretending to be a progressive.

The best thing Hillary has going for her is that she will be WAY less bad than the nutjob the Republicans will eventually nominate.

The frenzied hatefest from the right will be amusing-- for a while.  Then it will get old old old.

And, thanks to gerrymandering and the fillerbuster, the Republican minority will keep anything from getting done for another 8 years.


I'm really hoping for a Mitch Daniels candidacy in 2016. The LULZ would be epic as the GOP tried to declare his personal life as 'Off Limits' while screeching about the Beej heard 'round the world.
 
2014-02-23 09:55:47 AM
I'd much rather have Warren. I actually have personal reasons for preferring Hillary not become president.
 
2014-02-23 09:57:39 AM
Keep focusing on Hillary folks. Keep spending money on it even. Better yet? Find someone to run that isn't frippin' batsh*t crazy.
 
2014-02-23 10:02:06 AM

CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.


hell Bush was running things when Reagan was the figurehead. 20 out of 28 yrs from 1980 to 2008 were under the "Bush dynasty"
And those were admittedly the worst 20 yrs in modern American history. It took Clinton and Obama their 2 terms just to get us back from the GOP self inflected brink of disaster.
We could use another Dem in the Oval for a few more years. If for no other reason than to change the SCOTUS.

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2014-02-23 10:05:15 AM

MrBallou: CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.

That's nonsense. It's true that Shrub only got to be President because of his dad, but everybody else on that list was aptly qualified and democratically elected. Hillary is what she is because of her own skill, not because of Bill.


No, it's true. there's also Jeb Bush and of course the farking Kennedys. I'm tired of farking dynasties. We fought a war to get away from that shiat.

/will still vote for her
 
2014-02-23 10:06:17 AM
Once the nation gets wind of Bengazi and Whitewater, Hillary will go down like an electric window.

There are also rumors of her husband getting a beej from an intern. Wait until THAT becomes common knowledge. libtards!
 
2014-02-23 10:06:33 AM

Hobodeluxe: We could use another Dem in the Oval for a few more years. If for no other reason than to change the SCOTUS.


That is the single biggest reason to maintain a Democrat presidency for the next 16 years.

I'm not always happy with liberal decisions, but conservative ones tend to be worse.
 
2014-02-23 10:08:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Is she the best the Dems can do?


You do know who the republican front runner is, right?
 
2014-02-23 10:13:37 AM
I could live with Hilary, but I'd rather have Warren.
 
2014-02-23 10:14:17 AM

Mugato: MrBallou: CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.

That's nonsense. It's true that Shrub only got to be President because of his dad, but everybody else on that list was aptly qualified and democratically elected. Hillary is what she is because of her own skill, not because of Bill.

No, it's true. there's also Jeb Bush and of course the farking Kennedys. I'm tired of farking dynasties. We fought a war to get away from that shiat.

/will still vote for her


No, there's not really a valid comparison between a power couple like Bill and Hillary Clinton (who are the only politically active members of their family) and the Bush or Kennedy political families that have been active in American politics for over a century.
 
2014-02-23 10:21:20 AM
It's going to come down to Jeb vs. Hillary. Book it, done.

And I'm going to leave the top of the ticket blank when I vote because they are both neoliberal trash.
 
2014-02-23 10:21:52 AM
As has been said..She would probably do an ok job..Biden as continuing VP would be OK too..The main thing she will have to change is the Pentagon..They will not only have a hard time
listening to a woman, but they are also going to really be in for a lot of cuts.We aren't going to have two ongoing occupations and the rational people out here in 'Merca land are getting
a little sick of watching the bloated military/industrial/security complex when people are loosing their houses because their kid broke an arm. In the last 20 years the US military has pretty much
bombed/missile(d)  every shade of brown people for millions of dollars per shot, and you still have to take your damn shoes off to fly from city to another inside our own country..
 
2014-02-23 10:22:13 AM
What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.
 
2014-02-23 10:22:39 AM

Hobodeluxe: We could use another Dem in the Oval for a few more years. If for no other reason than to change the SCOTUS.


Or (and possibly more importantly) to prevent SCOTUS from tilting crazily rightward. Ginsburg is 80 and will almost certainly retire shortly; Kennedy is 77, and Breyer is 75. The replacement of any one of those justices would swing the court from its current deadlock-plus-Kennedy to a solid 5-4 conservative majority.

Also, consider who might be put forth by the Republicans as nominees. Can you say Associate Justice of the Supreme Court John Yoo?
 
2014-02-23 10:24:01 AM

BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.


The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.
 
2014-02-23 10:25:12 AM
 Ultimately for me it depends on who else is running.
Although i will point out that there has been a serious outpouring of karma for the people with a vitriolic hatred for her. Part of the reason Obama ended up as president was because they spent so many years
demonizing her making Obama a shoe in for the primary and  a given for the general after their guy farked this country so hard. Hell it's kinda funny to hear Conservatives say "he's not my  president" because they did soo much to get him elected.
 
2014-02-23 10:25:16 AM

BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.


What happens if "None of the Above" happens to win?
 
2014-02-23 10:25:48 AM

markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.


And we can all clearly see how well that works for us.
 
2014-02-23 10:27:57 AM
Hillary is very much  the establishment.  most of her polices lean towards neo-con.   So no.  Warren is a true progressive, so unelectable.  Biden is a good VP IMO, but not presidential material.  There is a part of me that would like to see Gore give it another try, but apparently  being the "face" of climate change had its financial benefits.  (Plus Tipper is a liability).   So the Democratic side is open and dead.   On the Republican side - If Jeb Bush enters, it is his.  I don't like it, but he is moderate enough and he has that surname.  Who else?  Ted Cruz?  Rand Paul? Sad state of American politics.
 
2014-02-23 10:29:15 AM

qorkfiend: What happens if "None of the Above" happens to win?


Have another election, and nobody whose name was on the first ballot is allowed on the second one.

Okay, maybe it only works on primaries.
 
2014-02-23 10:32:23 AM
Headline:

"A majority of Americans don't have a problem with Hillary being our next President"

Article:

Fifty-nine percent of Americans still view Hillary Clinton favorably, a year after she left her post as secretary of state, a poll indicates.

She's been out of the spotlight for a year now, and she hasn't made any noise about running for president.  If she was a candidate (officially) then her favorability would not be 59%.

Does anybody remember her campaign "effort" from 2008?
 
2014-02-23 10:33:17 AM

BeesNuts: markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.

And we can all clearly see how well that works for us.


Good point. The problem for me is that I suspect an actual "None of the Above" candidate would turn out to be, when it's all said and done, a politician.
 
2014-02-23 10:33:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Is she the best the Dems can do?


Looking at ANY of the conservative options, your attempt at trolling comes off as pathetically hilarious.
 
2014-02-23 10:34:01 AM

BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.


what would be great is to have instant runoff voting. to make a 3rd party candidate a viable choice.
 
2014-02-23 10:36:49 AM

Psylence: It's going to come down to Jeb vs. Hillary. Book it, done.

And I'm going to leave the top of the ticket blank when I vote because they are both neoliberal trash.


You could actually vote Green Party, most likely. Its not like there are only two parties.
 
2014-02-23 10:38:24 AM

qorkfiend: Hobodeluxe: We could use another Dem in the Oval for a few more years. If for no other reason than to change the SCOTUS.

Or (and possibly more importantly) to prevent SCOTUS from tilting crazily rightward. Ginsburg is 80 and will almost certainly retire shortly; Kennedy is 77, and Breyer is 75. The replacement of any one of those justices would swing the court from its current deadlock-plus-Kennedy to a solid 5-4 conservative majority.

Also, consider who might be put forth by the Republicans as nominees. Can you say Associate Justice of the Supreme Court John Yoo?


They need a staunch conservative. While it's not required, a law degree is probably a de facto requirement.

Hmmm... who would really appeal to the conservative crowd?

I know!

www.bitlogic.com
 
2014-02-23 10:39:14 AM

markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.


This should be repeated ad nauseam.
 
2014-02-23 10:41:29 AM

Hobodeluxe: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

what would be great is to have instant runoff voting. to make a 3rd party candidate a viable choice.


Yes, this. Let's get our IRV on.
 
2014-02-23 10:43:18 AM

riverwalk barfly: markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.

This should be repeated ad nauseam.


Note that many who "can" vote are people where voter registration drives can be unhealthy for the volunteers.

/Mississippi: 37% black
//Louisiana: 32% black
///Georgia: 30% black
 
2014-02-23 10:44:51 AM
I'll probably end up voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination, mostly because I cannot imagine the Republicans nominating anybody who isn't either pants-on-head retarded or a shill for the super-rich willing to play pants-on-head retarded.  But I am damn sure voting against her in the primary.
 
2014-02-23 10:45:55 AM
There will be a charismatic younger candidate emerge. The Daily Show did a story about how Americans prefer candidate with more potential and less baggage to known commodities with assailable records.
 
2014-02-23 10:46:51 AM
Could Biden legally be Vice President again?  I always wondered about that since the President is limited to two terms.  Hmmmm....maybe one of you constitutional scholars that have their GED in law could enlighten me.
 
2014-02-23 10:46:57 AM
What happens to her popularity when Hillary has to take a stand on the issues rather than make generic speeches for huge speaking fees?  What can she do to restore jobs in America?  What should we do about all the illegal aliens in the USA?  Does she favor raising the minimum wage hike that according to the CBO would cost 1/2 million jobs?  Where does she stand on entitlement reform and deficit spending?  What is Hillary's foreign policy? Does she favor increased US military action in the ME and drone killings?   In the end, Hillary is a big government, big business, big union globalist.  If you want more of the same vote for Hillary or Bush who is cut from the same cloth.
 
2014-02-23 10:48:15 AM

BeesNuts: markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.

And we can all clearly see how well that works for us.



You're being way too timid.

I say get rid of nominations, get rid of the Electoral College, and get rid of government recognized political parties.

Any candidate who wants to be on a state ballot has to get a petition out.  The 5 candidates with the most signatures gets on the ballot. Campaigns are government funded and monitored by international observers.  Participating in debates would be required to remain on the ballot.

 If nobody gets a majority in the election then there would be a runoff three weeks later with the top two vote getters on the ballot.

NO mention of party affiliation on any ballot.  If a candidate runs an ad with false or misleading information this will be noted on the ballot.  EVERY adult gets a vote-- including felons and prisoners.

We have desperate need for a lot of other reforms in our government, but that would be a good start.
 
2014-02-23 10:49:42 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Could Biden legally be Vice President again?  I always wondered about that since the President is limited to two terms.  Hmmmm....maybe one of you constitutional scholars that have their GED in law could enlighten me.


As long as you're eligible to be President, you can be Vice President.  So as long as Biden doesn't serve two terms as President, he can be Vice President just as long as voters keep re-electing him.
 
2014-02-23 10:50:04 AM

Somacandra: Psylence: It's going to come down to Jeb vs. Hillary. Book it, done.

And I'm going to leave the top of the ticket blank when I vote because they are both neoliberal trash.

You could actually vote Green Party, most likely. Its not like there are only two parties.


There are only two parties. The last time there was a viable 3rd party candidate was Perot and all he did was split the vote so Clinton was elected. Granted, that was a good thing but that's all a third party candidate does.
 
2014-02-23 10:52:12 AM

Mugato: Somacandra: Psylence: It's going to come down to Jeb vs. Hillary. Book it, done.

And I'm going to leave the top of the ticket blank when I vote because they are both neoliberal trash.

You could actually vote Green Party, most likely. Its not like there are only two parties.

There are only two parties. The last time there was a viable 3rd party candidate was Perot and all he did was split the vote so Clinton was elected. Granted, that was a good thing but that's all a third party candidate does.


IIRC, the exit polling showed that Perot poached about as many votes from Clinton as he did from Bush.  Granted, that could still tip the balance depending on the state-by-state breakdown of Perot's support, but I haven't really seen that analysis.
 
2014-02-23 10:58:57 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Could Biden legally be Vice President again?  I always wondered about that since the President is limited to two terms.  Hmmmm....maybe one of you constitutional scholars that have their GED in law could enlighten me.


Yes.
 
2014-02-23 10:59:57 AM

HeartBurnKid: I'll probably end up voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination, mostly because I cannot imagine the Republicans nominating anybody who isn't either pants-on-head retarded or a shill for the super-rich willing to play pants-on-head retarded.  But I am damn sure voting against her in the primary.


At this juncture I can't imaging the GOP nominating anyone I'd consider voting for so this is pretty much where I stand right now as well.
 
2014-02-23 11:00:20 AM

Mugato: AverageAmericanGuy: Is she the best the Dems can do?

You do know who the republican front runner is, right?


I don't.  Every time they pick a new one, he crashes and burns immediately after.

As to best the Dems can do...depends on your definition of "best."  She may be the best candidate for winning the election, but she's far from the best candidate in terms of policies.  She's another conservative democrat in a string of conservative democrats.  I won't like it, but I'll still vote for her, since we can safely assume (barring travel to an alternate dimension) that, whoever the GOP will pick, they're be just like every other Republican: bigoted, corrupt, greedy, hateful, and dishonest.
 
2014-02-23 11:00:39 AM

markfara: BizarreMan: What I really want in the election is a "None of the Above" option.  Because I hate having to vote for a random third party candidate because I don't like either option from the top two parties.  I would love to see None of the Above take more votes on an election.  Get a true feel for how we really feel about the people the power brokers have decided will be our rulers for the next four years.

The "None of the Above" option is pretty much institutionalized by the fact that most Americans who can vote don't.


And thus vote Republican. Republicans do very well when no one votes, which is why they are so gung-ho about making it difficult if not impossible for people to vote.

And if you stay home, you are endorsing these practices.
 
2014-02-23 11:02:48 AM

CPT Ethanolic: EvilEgg: She wouldn't be my first choice, but I would be ok with it, I guess.

  She would be approaching my last choice.  Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy.


Well, the important thing is what it sounds like.
 
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