Endive Wombat: A guy I worked with years ago in the restaurant biz had an interesting situation concerning a DUI and court ordered AA meetings. He is a staunch Atheist...kind of an asshole about it really. Anyhoo, like 15 years ago he gets popped with a DUI in bumfark rural Michigan, So Dakota...somewhere over there and the Judge sentenced him with something like 50 AA meetings, some community service, etc. Rather than get like 30 days jail, the court went that way because the local county jail was full.He sued because the Judge/State required him to (his opinion, not mine) attend religious based meetings as punishment for his DUI, he claimed it was a violation of his 1st amendment rights (freedom to NOT practice a religion). He also contended that because of the fact that there were no secular/non-religious 12 step programs within a reasonable distance from his work/home the Judge should drop the 12 step requirement all together.Long story short, he won, and he would tell every person he encountered this story. I must have heard either bits and pieces or the story in its entirety at lest 10 times.
Endive Wombat: court ordered AA meetings
nekom: They don't like to admit it (they call it spiritual) but AA is absolutely religious.
Calmamity: If you don't want to be at an AA meeting, you shouldn't be there.
nekom: I should note that I'm not knocking AA. Whatever works.
bigbobowski: didn't we do this dance last every week?
FirstNationalBastard: AAA is for minor league drunks.
drewogatory: nekom: I should note that I'm not knocking AA. Whatever works.hahahahaha. The real joke is that AA absolutely does NOT work and enjoys approx. the same success rate as quitting cold turkey.
Braggi: Another AA hate thread. I go to AA. I don't believe in god and it still works for me. Imagine that.
hardinparamedic: Braggi: Another AA hate thread. I go to AA. I don't believe in god and it still works for me. Imagine that.Good for you!Now explain to the rest of the class why that makes AA above reproach, criticism or scrutiny.
Valiente: nekom: I should note that I'm not knocking AA. Whatever works.This. My ex-brother in law is in AA, and he's not drinking. Unfortunately, it was his drinking that masked his c*ntishness. Now he's a selfish, if sober, asshole. Interestingly, just before he quit boozing, he became a Roman Catholic. Not sure if there's a connection, or if it involves choirboys.
Kinan: I had the same problem with the religion aspect until I realized my problem wasn't with god but with organized religion and the way people use it to suit their personal needs.The whole program is based on a god as you understand him. It's all over the book.
twistedmetal: I think the importance of the religion is a group to group thing. Some emphasize it more than others. I know my dad's group kind of calmed some members tits who got all preachy.
davynelson: Since AA doesn't work for shiat, it hardly matters.What's more annoying than a few hours with people talking about alcohol?It's a recipe for relapse.
hardinparamedic: Now explain to the rest of the class why that makes AA above reproach, criticism or scrutiny.
nekom: Whatever works.
QuesoDelicioso: Braggi: Another AA hate thread. I go to AA. I don't believe in god and it still works for me. Imagine that.Maybe because you're actually putting in the work to try and make yourself better. And if you're inclined to behave that way, then the AA meetings are probably redundant.
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