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2014-02-23 10:49:59 AM
Uh.... 24 hours too late?
 
2014-02-23 10:52:57 AM
Did he get to grab a package of his bologna before leaving?
 
2014-02-23 10:53:20 AM
The question is, will he have enough sense to respect the decision or will he continue pretending he isn't finished?
 
2014-02-23 10:54:29 AM

generallyso: The question is, will he have enough sense to respect the decision or will he continue pretending he isn't finished?


As of last night, he was hanging on, pretending it was still real to him, damn it!
 
2014-02-23 10:55:09 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-23 10:56:51 AM
New footage of him in a standoff with armed protesters:

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-23 10:57:06 AM
BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.
 
2014-02-23 10:59:33 AM
Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.
 
2014-02-23 11:02:36 AM

Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.


Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.
 
2014-02-23 11:08:56 AM
Dare to be stupid
 
2014-02-23 11:09:24 AM

lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.


Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.
 
2014-02-23 11:10:33 AM

miss diminutive: Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.

Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.


Or he could have spent that cash on the betterment of Ukrainian citizenry.
 
2014-02-23 11:10:47 AM

miss diminutive: Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.

Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.


At the least. Saddam started digging too late and was caught in a lil hole I the groubd

This scenerio has played out multiple times in history. Glad the troops anticipated it.
 
2014-02-23 11:11:56 AM

lindalouwho: miss diminutive: Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.

Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.

At the least. Saddam started digging too late and was caught in a lil hole I the groubd

This scenerio has played out multiple times in history. Glad the troops anticipated it.


Yes, the groubd was in the ground.

/lol
 
2014-02-23 11:15:18 AM

lindalouwho: lindalouwho: miss diminutive: Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.

Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.

At the least. Saddam started digging too late and was caught in a lil hole I the groubd

This scenerio has played out multiple times in history. Glad the troops anticipated it.

Yes, the groubd was in the ground.

/lol


Not as bad as reporting reporting.
 
2014-02-23 11:15:27 AM
...they really went off the deep end. I hope tthere's a party in the CIA
 
2014-02-23 11:16:49 AM

generallyso: The question is, will he have enough sense to respect the decision or will he continue pretending he isn't finished?


He has this town on it's knobby little knees he can do just what he please
 
2014-02-23 11:18:13 AM

max_pooper: miss diminutive: Satanic_Hamster: BBC was reporting that he and a few of his minsters are reporting he tried to flee the country with a plane full of cash but the military stopped it on the tarmac.

Should've spent some of that cash on a secret subway out of town.

Or he could have spent that cash on the betterment of Ukrainian citizenry.


New to politics, are we?
 
2014-02-23 11:21:43 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.


Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*
 
2014-02-23 11:25:04 AM

TwistedFark: Uh.... 24 hours too late?


FARK has to keep posting repeats to stay ahead of the "trolls."

/by "trolls" I mean "people whose comments threaten the sanctity of certain sensitive FARKers' echo chambers"
 
2014-02-23 11:29:58 AM
That isn't a very good headline, and I've seen some headlines in my day
 
2014-02-23 11:33:26 AM

TheGregiss: [img.fark.net image 218x231]


Nice one. Vlad the Imprisoner.
 
2014-02-23 11:41:42 AM

lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*


We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.
 
2014-02-23 11:42:53 AM
Waiting for the "But, he's the elected president of Ukraine per their constitution.  If they don't like him they should vote him out in the next election" crowd to show up.  Does this mean the US has to cutoff all foreign aid to Ukraine per that Senate resolution?
 
2014-02-23 11:44:18 AM

lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*


The Para Olympics (aka Gimp Games or Cripple Contests if you're an insensitive arsehole) go on until March 16.
 
2014-02-23 11:45:20 AM
See severed heads that almost fall right in your lap see that bloody hatchet coming right at you

Please don't reveal the secret ending to your friends. You won't believe your eyes!
 
2014-02-23 11:59:41 AM
Maybe Pootie Poot will put him up for the weekend.
 
2014-02-23 12:00:19 PM
From Al Yankovic's twitter: Al Yankovic @alyankovic Feb 22 Thank you all for your letters of condolence, but no, I was not just ousted as President of Ukraine. Some other guy.


HAH!
 
2014-02-23 12:03:27 PM

Tatterdemalian: FARK has to keep posting repeats to stay ahead of the "trolls."

/by "trolls" I mean "people whose comments threaten the sanctity of certain sensitive FARKers' echo chambers"


And by that you mean blatant and unrepentant liars?

If you're knowingly repeating a known lie, then you're a troll.
 
2014-02-23 12:03:34 PM

max_pooper: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

The Para Olympics (aka Gimp Games or Cripple Contests if you're an insensitive arsehole) go on until March 16.


But they don't start for 2wks - March 7. And tho they will get some tv coverage in the US (don't know about other countries) they wont hold the eyes of the world on the events and on Russia the same way.
I'm thinking that so far Putin's restraint is because of the main Olympics.

/could be wrong of course
//but it's a popular train of thought
///we'll see soon enough
 
2014-02-23 12:11:46 PM

Infernalist: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.


Not only that - might possibly ensure civil was in Ukraine.

Who fights first? Or would it be in tandem?

/very soon
 
2014-02-23 12:28:17 PM
"Black Sunday II - Electric Boogaloo?"

/you know, Robert Shaw up in the farkin' blimp?

//I know, you know
 
2014-02-23 12:29:07 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Tatterdemalian: FARK has to keep posting repeats to stay ahead of the "trolls."

/by "trolls" I mean "people whose comments threaten the sanctity of certain sensitive FARKers' echo chambers"

And by that you mean blatant and unrepentant liars?

If you're knowingly repeating a known lie, then you're a troll.


Seems more like it's "sarcasm" when YOU do it, and "trolling" when anyone else does it.
 
2014-02-23 12:37:53 PM
I seen where the princess Leigha looking former leader was released from prison.
 
2014-02-23 12:44:56 PM

lindalouwho: Infernalist: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.

Not only that - might possibly ensure civil was in Ukraine.

Who fights first? Or would it be in tandem?

/very soon


Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced.  After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.
 
2014-02-23 01:05:04 PM
He vandalized one too much grocery store signs.
 
2014-02-23 01:08:09 PM
So we tied him to a chair and shaved off all his hair, and we left him in the desert all alone. Oh sometimes in our dreams we can still hear the screams, oh I wonder if he ever made it home...
 
2014-02-23 01:26:27 PM

TwistedFark: Uh.... 24 hours too late?


More like 24 days too late
 
2014-02-23 01:30:30 PM

TwistedFark: Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced. After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.


Let's not forget that Ukraine getting away is quite a nail to his little Third Rome 3.0 project.
/Why can't I hold all these ex-colonies
 
2014-02-23 01:47:23 PM

TwistedFark: lindalouwho: Infernalist: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.

Not only that - might possibly ensure civil was in Ukraine.

Who fights first? Or would it be in tandem?

/very soon

Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced.  After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.


Russia wants a government that they can bribe and intimidate.  That's what the whole economic aid was about.

The Ukrainian government had a choice between being hand-fed by the Russians, or making closer economic ties with the EU.  The government chose Russia, but the Ukrainian people still hold a lot of animosity and distrust toward Russia for the centuries of abuse and domination, so they threw a fit and rightly so.

At this point, I don't think Russia will invade with the intent of reconquering Ukraine, but I wouldn't put it past him to heavily supply Eastern/Southern secessionists and goad them into forcing a split.
 
2014-02-23 01:48:59 PM

TwistedFark: So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified.


Except for the Crimea and Black Sea ports.  Because what does Russia need with warm water ports anyway?
 
2014-02-23 01:51:06 PM

jake3988: From Al Yankovic's twitter: Al Yankovic @alyankovic Feb 22 Thank you all for your letters of condolence, but no, I was not just ousted as President of Ukraine. Some other guy.


HAH!


Nice : )
 
2014-02-23 01:59:16 PM

LewDux: TwistedFark: Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced. After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.

Let's not forget that Ukraine getting away is quite a nail to his little Third Rome 3.0 project.
/Why can't I hold all these ex-colonies


Yuri, give me back my Cossacks!
 
2014-02-23 02:05:40 PM

LewDux: Let's not forget that Ukraine getting away is quite a nail to his little Third Rome 3.0 project.
/Why can't I hold all these ex-colonies


This.

Mentat: Except for the Crimea and Black Sea ports.  Because what does Russia need with warm water ports anyway?


And this.

/A most unusual game professor.
 
2014-02-23 02:16:54 PM

Mentat: TwistedFark: So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified.

Except for the Crimea and Black Sea ports.  Because what does Russia need with warm water ports anyway?


But they got that anyway. That's my entire point. The Ukrainians are more than happy to take Russian money. Always have been.

Infernalist: Russia wants a government that they can bribe and intimidate. That's what the whole economic aid was about.


Again - that's what I am saying. Money is more effective than guns in this situation, vastly, superiorly, more effective. Even the opposition government has been more than happy to take cash from Pooty Poot. Slavic Princess Leia did it herself on her last run through the death star - walked away with a photo op with Pooty Poot himself and a cool billion or two in economic aid from Russia and called for a free trade agreement with the EU in the same week (I actually think it might have even been the same day, but my memory is hazy on timing).

Imagine you're Russia and you're... I dunno, building a home. You have a good chunk of cash and materials on hand. Ukraine is like the day labourers hanging out at the home depot. Oh, and the EU is like the guy that keeps posting "Earn up to 1000 dollars a day from your computer with this one weird trick!". Okay, maybe not that bad - but that's about what the promise of a free trade agreement means right now if your economy is the Ukrainian economy....
 
2014-02-23 02:32:59 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-23 02:40:03 PM

TwistedFark: lindalouwho: Infernalist: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.

Not only that - might possibly ensure civil was in Ukraine.

Who fights first? Or would it be in tandem?

/very soon

Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced.  After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.


You know, I'm fine with Russia maintaining influence with the Ukrainians so long as they do it in a way Ukrainians find acceptable (hell, given that I'm fine with the EU and the West in general doing the same thing I'd be a huge hypocrite). The key here is, "in a way Ukrainians find acceptable". That's how another nation's sovereignty is respected.
 
2014-02-23 02:43:52 PM

Infernalist: Russia wants a government that they can bribe and intimidate.  That's what the whole economic aid was about.

The Ukrainian government had a choice between being hand-fed by the Russians, or making closer economic ties with the EU.  The government chose Russia, but the Ukrainian people still hold a lot of animosity and distrust toward Russia for the centuries of abuse and domination, so they threw a fit and rightly so.

At this point, I don't think Russia will invade with the intent of reconquering Ukraine, but I wouldn't put it past him to heavily supply Eastern/Southern secessionists and goad them into forcing a split.


I'm curious how much world opinion is against them for having sold chemical weapons to Syria/being perceived as egging Assad on. Not sure they'd really want to risk being seen as supporting terrorism.

Russians have a bottom line and love consolidating power but they aren't impractical or really stupid, at least often.
 
2014-02-23 02:48:13 PM
There's no reason other than graft that Uk shouldn't be able to turn all their natural resources in to a boon for its people.  Bring in some German advisers on manufacturing and take advantage of their geopolitical position in Europe.

Amerite?
 
2014-02-23 02:59:57 PM

TwistedFark: lindalouwho: Infernalist: lindalouwho: Crotchrocket Slim: lindalouwho: Don't see that they had a choice.

We don't really know how this will affect the different players.

Hoping this doesn't play into any Russian strategy tho.

Russians don't like to lose and Putin is pretty slippery but I can't see a Xanatos Gambit being at work here.

Looked that up.

What you say is true. Too many variables involved, and revolutions by nature have a lot of decisions made on the fly.

Putin's plan, I suspect, is pretty horribly basic and was decided a while ago.

I'm dreading the Olympics closing tonight. *shudder*

We'll see very soon just how serious the Russians are about keeping Ukraine as a proxy.  The Ukrainians did good against snipers and reluctant police, but I wonder how their military would hold up against Russian tanks.

Not only that - might possibly ensure civil was in Ukraine.

Who fights first? Or would it be in tandem?

/very soon

Way overstating the dramatic tension here guys.

This isn't anywhere close to a tanks rolling into Georgia situation, it's just not needed. What Russia wants is a stable government that can actually be influenced.  After all, Russia has no vested interest in keeping Ukraine poor and blocking the AA or FTA with the EU. It merely wants them to side with them in foreign policy matters, which are not always tied to trade, but if they are, then that's probably fine too because just like say, the relationship between the US and Canada, your biggest trading partner is always your next door neighbour.

So, yeah, they don't have anything to gain here using military force, unless it's obviously justified. If anything they're probably discussing right now how to use the economic aid package that they had offered the Ukraine to their advantage in the light of the eminent political shake up. They'll want to use it punish people who are anti-Kremlin and reward their allies as much as possible.


Hmmm.... I concede on the overstating dramatic tension, I guess ;-). I have friends there and am feeling angsty about the whole thing. They are in different parts of Ukraine, and have differing expectations of "what's next" themselves.

But I do think many aspects of the whole situation are unpredictable, and anything can happen. Throw in people on either/any side who could splinter off and become loose cannons.

I understand a lot of what's going on there, but I sure can't speak to how this all should unfold.
 
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