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2014-02-22 11:27:05 PM  
Just make sure Claude returns.
 
2014-02-22 11:31:39 PM  
Sorry NBC, get over it...the US Men's hockey team didn't even medal.
 
2014-02-22 11:36:37 PM  
No more Sylar
 
2014-02-22 11:38:57 PM  

texdent: No more Sylar


Well, not as we knew him, anyhow.  He's become all logical and pointy eared.
 
2014-02-22 11:53:17 PM  

bluorangefyre: texdent: No more Sylar

Well, not as we knew him, anyhow.  He's become all logical and pointy eared.


Ha!  Somehow I'd never made that connection, now I'm guessing it's one of those things I'll never be able to unsee.

Also, is 13 episodes really a miniseries, or is it a way of pussyfooting around broadcasting the first season of a show without having to eat crow if you cancel it afterwards?

On the other hand, hey, I liked Heroes, I'd be glad to see it come back, and given the popularity of the MCU movies, I can't fault NBC for wanting to get on the superhero bandwagon.  This time, however, let's have the writing staff create the story arc beforehand instead of haphazardly introducing new characters and storylines that go nowhere only to be abandoned without any resolution.
 
2014-02-22 11:56:11 PM  
I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.
 
2014-02-22 11:58:54 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: On the other hand, hey, I liked Heroes, I'd be glad to see it come back, and given the popularity of the MCU movies, I can't fault NBC for wanting to get on the superhero bandwagon.  This time, however, let's have the writing staff create the story arc beforehand instead of haphazardly introducing new characters and storylines that go nowhere only to be abandoned without any resolution.


This. For example, what happened to Peter's Irish girlfriend who he left in that one future?
 
2014-02-22 11:59:53 PM  

RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.


While they used a lot of writers, a lot of those from the first season continued throughout the season.  It wasn't that there were better writers in the first season, it's that they hadn't had the time yet to dangle an absurd number of plot threads out and there wasn't enough time yet to realize they had no way of reconciling all, or even a majority of them.
 
2014-02-23 12:01:02 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.

While they used a lot of writers, a lot of those from the first season continued throughout the season series.  It wasn't that there were better writers in the first season, it's that they hadn't had the time yet to dangle an absurd number of plot threads out and there wasn't enough time yet to realize they had no way of reconciling all, or even a majority of them.


FTFM
 
2014-02-23 12:05:47 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.

While they used a lot of writers, a lot of those from the first season continued throughout the season series.  It wasn't that there were better writers in the first season, it's that they hadn't had the time yet to dangle an absurd number of plot threads out and there wasn't enough time yet to realize they had no way of reconciling all, or even a majority of them.

FTFM


I am really surprised.  I figured most just moved on before season 3 started since so much time had gone by with the season 2 strike.
 
2014-02-23 12:08:35 AM  

RobertBruce: TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.

While they used a lot of writers, a lot of those from the first season continued throughout the season series.  It wasn't that there were better writers in the first season, it's that they hadn't had the time yet to dangle an absurd number of plot threads out and there wasn't enough time yet to realize they had no way of reconciling all, or even a majority of them.

FTFM

I am really surprised.  I figured most just moved on before season 3 started since so much time had gone by with the season 2 strike.


Here's the list, I didn't do a full comparison, but a lot of the names appear throughout multiple seasons.
 
2014-02-23 12:13:54 AM  
Just more proof that nothing in the superhero world ever stays dead.
 
2014-02-23 12:35:12 AM  
The first season was some REALLY good TV.  Everything that followed sucked ass.

If they manage 13 episodes with the same quality as season 1, I'm in.
 
2014-02-23 12:37:48 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: RobertBruce: TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.

While they used a lot of writers, a lot of those from the first season continued throughout the season series.  It wasn't that there were better writers in the first season, it's that they hadn't had the time yet to dangle an absurd number of plot threads out and there wasn't enough time yet to realize they had no way of reconciling all, or even a majority of them.

FTFM

I am really surprised.  I figured most just moved on before season 3 started since so much time had gone by with the season 2 strike.

Here's the list, I didn't do a full comparison, but a lot of the names appear throughout multiple seasons.


so..... tim kring is like moffat.  able to write great stuff followed by absolute shiat five minutes later.
 
2014-02-23 12:44:41 AM  
Proving that subby has run out of ideas on how to write a stinking headline, subby proclaims that NBC's decision to bring back Heroes is proof that networks have run out of ideas.

Next time, try using that revolutionary approach of posing a dilemma some dumb sucker is facing and offering c). whatever dumb shiat the dumb sucker did to resolve the dilemma.
 
2014-02-23 12:49:10 AM  
Season 2 would've been fantastic had the writer's strike not happened.  Also, once they decided to a) bring Sylar back and b) Zachary Quinto got cast as Spock, the writers had no farking clue what to do with Sylar, and probably still won't if they include him in the miniseries.

I'm actually wondering if this will carry on Volume Six:  Brave New World, or will they explain it away as 'la-la-la Hiro time travelled and stopped Claire from showing off her regenerative abilities' like I'm assuming they'll do.
 
2014-02-23 01:37:58 AM  

RobertBruce: I'd enjoy this if they hired the writers from the first season.


And limited it to the 6 shows that the original mini-series was supposed to be.  Once they got an order for an entire season, everything in that whole series turned to crap.  If they'd just stopped after episode 6, we'd all remember it as one of the best TV shows ever.
 
2014-02-23 01:43:29 AM  
That's GREAT!

I was such a shame that show never continued after the end of the first season.
 
2014-02-23 02:01:12 AM  

bluorangefyre: Season 2 would've been fantastic had the writer's strike not happened.  Also, once they decided to a) bring Sylar back and b) Zachary Quinto got cast as Spock, the writers had no farking clue what to do with Sylar, and probably still won't if they include him in the miniseries.

I'm actually wondering if this will carry on Volume Six:  Brave New World, or will they explain it away as 'la-la-la Hiro time travelled and stopped Claire from showing off her regenerative abilities' like I'm assuming they'll do.


The problem with the show was that Peter and Sylar basically became gods. Super powers are interesting but when the hero becomes that over powered they're just boring. Characters who are basically just walking deus ex machinas are not fun to watch. This is why I never liked Superman as a kid.

He has super human strength. -Oh cool!-
He's also faster than a speeding bullet. -Neat!-
And he can leap tall buildings in a single bound. -Alright.-
Actually, no, he can fly. -Okay-
And see through stuff with x-ray eyes. -Um-
And then burn things to a crisp with heat vision. -What?-
And then freeze them solid with freeze breath. -Really?-
And he has super hearing and can hear a whisper on the other side of the planet. -That's kinda...-
And he can fly through the vacuum of space and doesn't need to breathe. -No, that's...-
And he can actually travel faster than the speed of light and go back in time -Oh come on now!-
And he can pull the logo off his chest and it'll grow really big and sticky and he can throw it at bad guys and it will wrap them up like fly paper -Go fark yourself.-

I also hear they gave Ando a super power (I stopped watching it before that point) which in my opinion totally ruins what was one of the most interesting characters of the show. The reason Ando was such a great character was because he had no super power. He threw himself without reservation into each adventure out of a sense of right and duty and devotion to his friend Hiro. Ando was the bravest character in the entire show because he was able to put himself in so much danger without a super power to protect him. Giving him a super power actually ends up making the character less heroic. I'm glad I wasn't there to see that.
 
2014-02-23 02:04:52 AM  

Lsherm: The first season was some REALLY good TV.  Everything that followed sucked ass.

If they manage 13 episodes with the same quality as season 1, I'm in.


The second season wasn't too bad. The story of Hiro going back in time and meeting the samurai hero who had always been his inspiration only to discover that hero was in reality a complete douchebag, and then he ended up becoming the hero he would later idolize was a pretty classic story.

Third season I only watched a couple of episodes and thought "if I don't stop watching this right now it's going to ruin the whole series for me the way the Highlander sequels did".
 
2014-02-23 02:05:49 AM  
I think even saying the whole first season was good is giving the show too much credit. They managed to pad out that stupid 'blow up New York' plot (or whatever, I barely remember now) for two dozen episodes and that padding becomes really obvious when you watch them back to back. I grew to hate that damn show, such piss poor writing. To me it felt like they were saying, "We can keep recycling these plot points because people who read comic books are morons, they're not gonna notice."
 
2014-02-23 02:06:26 AM  
Okay NBC, you're on, but:

1. When characters die they stay dead.
2. No character has Superman powers that just invalidate everyone else's.
3. Sort out how time travel works before you use it.
4. Keep using characters around the world, it was refreshing to see heroes in India, Japan etc.
5. Similarly, remember how great it was when Hiro got his powers in season one, and just rolled with it?  He was completely delighted. Not everyone has to have an angsty "but I just wanna be normal" story.
6. No twins.
7. No triplets.
8. No amnesia.
9. No secret parents.
10. In fact, if it's been done on Days of Our Lives, stop.
 
2014-02-23 02:12:32 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Okay NBC, you're on, but:

1. When characters die they stay dead.
2. No character has Superman powers that just invalidate everyone else's.
3. Sort out how time travel works before you use it.
4. Keep using characters around the world, it was refreshing to see heroes in India, Japan etc.
5. Similarly, remember how great it was when Hiro got his powers in season one, and just rolled with it?  He was completely delighted. Not everyone has to have an angsty "but I just wanna be normal" story.
6. No twins.
7. No triplets.
8. No amnesia.
9. No secret parents.
10. In fact, if it's been done on Days of Our Lives, stop.


Yeah exactly. What the hell was with all the soap opera tropes? I found it insulting to think that they believed comic books were filled with that stuff and no, I don't think comic books are great literature. Wasn't Geoff Johns or someone similar in charge of writing the show for a while? You'd think he'd know better.

/ I'd also add that by season three, we don't need to see a new character being all awestruck by discovering their new power. That really only works once.
 
2014-02-23 02:25:35 AM  

Ghastly: Lsherm: The first season was some REALLY good TV.  Everything that followed sucked ass.

If they manage 13 episodes with the same quality as season 1, I'm in.

The second season wasn't too bad. The story of Hiro going back in time and meeting the samurai hero who had always been his inspiration only to discover that hero was in reality a complete douchebag, and then he ended up becoming the hero he would later idolize was a pretty classic story.

Third season I only watched a couple of episodes and thought "if I don't stop watching this right now it's going to ruin the whole series for me the way the Highlander sequels did".


Fair enough - I forgot that I liked most of season 2 as well.  But season 1 was farking great.
 
2014-02-23 06:22:50 AM  
Keep Jeph Loeb off the project and it might actually end up being good.
 
2014-02-23 06:45:10 AM  

Smashed Hat: I think even saying the whole first season was good is giving the show too much credit. They managed to pad out that stupid 'blow up New York' plot (or whatever, I barely remember now) for two dozen episodes and that padding becomes really obvious when you watch them back to back. I grew to hate that damn show, such piss poor writing. To me it felt like they were saying, "We can keep recycling these plot points because people who read comic books are morons, they're not gonna notice."


Yeah. When they wear gearing up for 6 or 8 episodes, it was great, and then they had to fill. And that just sucked.

I think I agree with everyone in this thread so far, except the last part of season 1 sucked just as bad as all the other bad parts.
 
2014-02-23 06:55:44 AM  
But who to cast as Colonel Klink?
 
2014-02-23 06:56:22 AM  
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2014-02-23 07:08:28 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Okay NBC, you're on, but:

1. When characters die they stay dead.
2. No character has Superman powers that just invalidate everyone else's.
3. Sort out how time travel works before you use it.
4. Keep using characters around the world, it was refreshing to see heroes in India, Japan etc.
5. Similarly, remember how great it was when Hiro got his powers in season one, and just rolled with it?  He was completely delighted. Not everyone has to have an angsty "but I just wanna be normal" story.
6. No twins.
7. No triplets.
8. No amnesia.
9. No secret parents.
10. In fact, if it's been done on Days of Our Lives, stop.


11. Figure out Grunberg's relationship status on Day 1 and stick with it.

/The only thing about Season 1 that really bugged me was his arc and it only got worse from there
 
2014-02-23 07:21:43 AM  
If NBC wants to increase Olympic viewing, have Hayden Pantiesderriere (whatever) perform the Pole Spin for an hour on her boyfriend.

/All I can imagine is a Globetrotters episode with those two
//Also, Samuel was the first interesting villain they'd had
///So, of course, they offed him :(
 
2014-02-23 07:26:24 AM  
I've yet to under how a show with one good season, one meh seasons, and 2 awful seasons still maintains a dedicated cult. Hell, even if Simpsons has been kind of crap for 15 years, it at least had 9 quality seasons to at least somewhat justify its continued stay.
 
2014-02-23 07:34:38 AM  
One good season.

Then, crap.
 
2014-02-23 07:38:27 AM  
If they're bringing back Heroes, someone needs to bring back The 4400.
 
2014-02-23 07:44:43 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: If they're bringing back Heroes, someone needs to bring back The 4400.


No good seasons.

Then, crap.
 
2014-02-23 07:45:42 AM  
This is the show that got me into anime.  It is essentially a live action anime more than a western style comic hero show.
Whatever form it comes in I will watch it. Characters missing or not, the story is very good.
 
2014-02-23 07:45:54 AM  
I wonder if they'll have a Misfits cross-over.
 
2014-02-23 07:53:16 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: If they're bringing back Heroes, someone needs to bring back The 4400.


Lol how about some more Babylon 5?
/thought I'd change things up and suggest that before someone cries for more Firefly
 
2014-02-23 08:21:09 AM  
How can you do a 13-episode miniseries one-shot?

Ask "American Horror Story".

Or "Broadchurch".

/what season 2?
//and why is Tennant doing a funny accent?
 
2014-02-23 08:28:26 AM  
Their biggest mistake was bringing back the same cast from season to season after their original plan was just to start over every year. Most of the appeal of the show was the people discovering their powers.
 
2014-02-23 08:33:33 AM  
"The enormous impact Heroes had on the television landscape when it first launched in 2006 was eye-opening," NBC Entertainment President Jennifer Salke said in announcing the project.

Not that the show was bad or anything, but... are you farking serious?  "Enormous impact" is not really the same thing as "being one of several reasonably-good serials on TV".  Nobody changed the way they made any other show because of Heroes, man.

Ghastly: The problem with the show was that Peter and Sylar basically became gods. Super powers are interesting but when the hero becomes that over powered they're just boring. Characters who are basically just walking deus ex machinas are not fun to watch. This is why I never liked Superman as a kid.


They were  supposed to become essentially Gods, to the point they could do basically anything, and then  kill each other offonce the ascension was complete.  An actual Heroic flaw/tragedy arc for both of them, with a side dish of implying that maybe  allthe powers are too much for mortals to really handle.

Basically remove the tacked-on shiat at the end of the finale where they live, and you have an actual competent handling of superman-level powers.  Because the only proper enemy once you have the ability to easily counter any external threat is your own tomfoolery slash inner nature.  Sylar would thematically be destroyed by his own ambition, and Peter by his compulsion to play hero and never leave anything alone.  End of season, new characters coming next season.  Honestly, I'm 99% sure they were supposed to  take new york with them (as well as most of the S1 characters), and the original plan for season 2 was for the government to be pretty much  justified in hunting down the new characters, what with the firey holocaust taking out a few million people and leaving a smoking crater and all.

// The most entertaining part here is that them surviving isn't just bad storytelling, it's an actual  plot hole.  Hiro never running into either of the god-levels in the future was very much intentional, and it's not like both of them didn't have the means to easily track him down and keep an eye out for him or the motivation to exploit is power.
 
2014-02-23 08:45:43 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: How can you do a 13-episode miniseries one-shot?

Ask "American Horror Story".


eh, I like AHS, though I wouldn't entirely say it's a good example of a one-season miniseries. AHS frequently feels just as made-up-as-we-go-along as Heroes did, but with much more interesting moments.
 
2014-02-23 08:53:58 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
They were  supposed to become essentially Gods, to the point they could do basically anything, and then  kill each other offonce the ascension was complete.  An actual Heroic flaw/tragedy arc for both of them, with a side dish of implying that maybe  allthe powers are too much for mortals to really handle.

Basically remove the tacked-on shiat at the end of the finale where they live, and you have an actual competent handling of superman-level powers.


I agree with you 100% the first season watching the ascend to godhood was interesting but like you said the "but wait... they didn't actually die" bullshiat ruined it and then they just became two incredibly uninteresting characters.

If not bringing in a whole new cast of people discovering their super powers, with perhaps a few cameos from the established heroes they could have also explored the final paths of the other heroes.

The second season could have been a series of short stories that follow the lives of the other heroes to their conclusions.

Hiro still travels to the past, confronts his childhood hero, discovers he's an asshole and takes his place. But he's completely lost his powers, or at least his power for time travel, and ends up living out the rest of his days in feudal Japan.

Maybe the Cheerleader returns pretty much to a life as normal. Goes to college. Meets a man. Gets married. Has kids. But while everyone else around her grows old she remains the same age. Her story could show her watching her children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great-great grandchildren all grow old and die while she remains a teenager. Then over the course of hundreds of millions of years she watches was the entire human race and culture changes. Humans evolve into a new species but she's still a Homo sapien. Now than a speciation event has taken place she can no longer even breed with humans who have evolved beyond her. She's forever as she is but now she's truly alone, the last of her kind in a world full of people who are aliens to her. And in time they die off too and one by one she watches all the species of the planet go extinct until 4 billion years later she is alone on a dead planet and finally consumed by our own dying sun.

And so on and so on for the second season showing what happens to each character in a single episode short story format.
 
2014-02-23 09:01:17 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: OtherLittleGuy: How can you do a 13-episode miniseries one-shot?

Ask "American Horror Story".

eh, I like AHS, though I wouldn't entirely say it's a good example of a one-season miniseries. AHS frequently feels just as made-up-as-we-go-along as Heroes did, but with much more interesting moments.


With AHS, they reset every season.

Benefit of a single season anthology. Your not stuck with a shiatstain if a previous season.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:10 AM  
So when is Hannibal starting back up again?
 
2014-02-23 09:05:52 AM  
Yo, NBC quit it with the rehashes and actually get something that people want to watch that isn't gonna bore them silly.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:57 AM  

Ghastly: I wonder if they'll have a Misfits cross-over.


They'll have to dig up Marilyn Monroe and Clarke Gable.
 
2014-02-23 09:08:49 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Also, is 13 episodes really a miniseries, or is it a way of pussyfooting around broadcasting the first season of a show without having to eat crow if you cancel it afterwards?


13 episodes, with a pre-set beginning, middle, and ending, is exactly how all American TV seasons should be written. It gives the series a chance to handle major changes - like renegotiating cast contracts to shift focus to different characters, or changing up the staff in terms writers, editors, producers, etc. Or, worst case scenario, it allows a show to be canceled without angering the few fans it may have.

20+ episodes and multi-year contracts are just not worth it. You inevitably end up with "filler" episodes, which don't work in the modern era of season-long story arcs. You also end up with cast/character focus issues - for example, Blacklist: who wouldn't like to see Lizzy and her husband relegated to secondary characters? Second example: Terra Nova's plotline should have shifted to the commander of the colony against the leader of the Sixers and dumped all the teenage drama. In both cases, the people originally intended to be the primary characters never captured audience interest, but American networks would rather cancel a show than attempt to restructure it.

It's always better to leave your audience wanting more than to overstay your welcome.
 
2014-02-23 09:20:52 AM  

Raktastic: So when is Hannibal starting back up again?


Friday
 
2014-02-23 09:24:20 AM  

Ghastly: I also hear they gave Ando a super power (I stopped watching it before that point) which in my opinion totally ruins what was one of the most interesting characters of the show. The reason Ando was such a great character was because he had no super power. He threw himself without reservation into each adventure out of a sense of right and duty and devotion to his friend Hiro. Ando was the bravest character in the entire show because he was able to put himself in so much danger without a super power to protect him. Giving him a super power actually ends up making the character less heroic. I'm glad I wasn't there to see that.


They actually handled Ando's super power thing pretty well, I thought. Probably since at that same time, Hiro lost his powers, and had to work to get them back. But before he got his powers back, was trying to convince Ando to be a super hero, and Ando wanted none of it.
 
2014-02-23 09:27:48 AM  

Ghastly: The second season wasn't too bad. The story of Hiro going back in time and meeting the samurai hero who had always been his inspiration only to discover that hero was in reality a complete douchebag, and then he ended up becoming the hero he would later idolize was a pretty classic story.


Wasn't that the plot of Star Trek: First Contact?
 
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